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Brickbat

(19,339 posts)
Thu Jan 31, 2013, 05:15 PM Jan 2013

President of St. Paul (MN) Federation of Teachers Local 28: "You want to arm me? Good."

http://marycathryn.blogspot.com/2012/12/licensed-to-teach.html

by Mary Cathryn Ricker


So I guess the NRA says the answer to stop school shootings is more guns, joining the smattering of elected officials who recently have promoted the idea of arming teachers and principals. This approach is wrong.

If a place like Ft. Hood, TX which has some of our planet's most deadly weapons carried by some of our planet's most deadly professional soldiers, can be reduced to carnage by a single armed assassin, then what makes The NRA think that arming a nation of just-right-book loving, denim jumper wearing, wooden apple bead necklace creating, white board marker toting school teachers (and the rest of us) will be effective?

You want to arm me? Good. Then arm me with a school psychologist at my school who has time to do more than test and sit in meetings about testing.

Arm me with enough counselors so we can build skills to prevent violence, have meaningful discussions with students about their future and not merely frantically adjust student schedules like a Jenga game.

Arm me with social workers who can thoughtfully attend to a student's and her family's needs so I. Can. Teach.

Arm me with enough school nurses so that they are accessible to every child and can work as a team with me rather than operate their offices as de facto urgent care centers.

Arm me with more days on the calendar for teaching and learning and fewer days for standardized testing.

Arm me with class sizes that allow my colleagues and me to know both our students and their families well.

Arm my colleagues and me with the time it takes to improve together and the time it takes to give great feedback to students about their work and progress.

Until you arm me to the hilt with what it will take to meet the needs of an increasingly vulnerable student population, I respectfully request you keep your opinions on schools and our safety to yourself, NRA. Knock it off.
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President of St. Paul (MN) Federation of Teachers Local 28: "You want to arm me? Good." (Original Post) Brickbat Jan 2013 OP
Well put! Lifelong Protester Jan 2013 #1
excellent! tk2kewl Jan 2013 #2
She should.... raidert05 Jan 2013 #3
I find myself far less tolerant these days of DU gun fans. FailureToCommunicate Jan 2013 #9
Sorry raidert05 Jan 2013 #31
Click- Ignore. lastlib Feb 2013 #39
How dare she speak of the military?! snort Jan 2013 #11
Would the guns at a school be any different? Lordquinton Jan 2013 #14
Well said. Smilo Feb 2013 #36
As opposed to all those teachers and students who are expecting to be shot? ajk2821 Jan 2013 #16
there are MP on base however.. frylock Jan 2013 #19
OK, let's talk. Long ago I served in the military, and had several pieces of my tender ... 11 Bravo Jan 2013 #25
I thank you for the blood you shed and service you gave, I have the watch... raidert05 Jan 2013 #30
In your panic to defend your Precious, you missed the fucking point Scootaloo Feb 2013 #34
If I may reteachinwi Jan 2013 #4
K & R!! to ^ this ^! lastlib Feb 2013 #40
K&R! tosh Jan 2013 #5
K & R Viking12 Jan 2013 #6
very well put makes me proud and grateful azurnoir Jan 2013 #7
K and R nt. thanks for posting Stuart G Jan 2013 #8
this public school teacher says amen arely staircase Jan 2013 #10
K&R Squinch Jan 2013 #12
Yes! cate94 Jan 2013 #13
The military that were shot at Ft Hood were unarmed. oldbanjo Jan 2013 #15
True. Brickbat Jan 2013 #17
Ah not the shooter. xtraxritical Jan 2013 #18
so were those kids in connecticut.. frylock Jan 2013 #20
Message deleted by the DU Administrators SailorMike Jan 2013 #26
You said it, Teacher! mountain grammy Jan 2013 #21
that's it! mshasta Jan 2013 #22
The teacher says it better than anyone. northoftheborder Jan 2013 #23
She had me Iwillnevergiveup Jan 2013 #24
K & R Shrike47 Jan 2013 #27
That's about one of the most powerful messages I've ever seen BlancheSplanchnik Jan 2013 #28
Mary Cathryn Ricker and Brickbat... ReRe Jan 2013 #29
The bullet-blinded NRA thinks every problem looks like a target. Beartracks Jan 2013 #32
well done sad-cafe Jan 2013 #33
What the NRA really wants Maineman Feb 2013 #35
I now refer to them as "bullet-heads" lastlib Feb 2013 #41
K&R Smilo Feb 2013 #37
They cut the number of school nurses BumRushDaShow Feb 2013 #38
 

raidert05

(185 posts)
3. She should....
Thu Jan 31, 2013, 06:01 PM
Jan 2013

Keep the military out of her mouth, bases are gun-free at the commanding officers discretion, but there are armed personnel everywhere on bases and lets not forget he was also one of those deadly professional soldiers before he shot the place up, he knew that those soldiers wouldn't be armed and wouldn't be expecting to be shot at on base. I respect her opinion and don't beleive that arming teachers is a solution to the problem.

FailureToCommunicate

(14,012 posts)
9. I find myself far less tolerant these days of DU gun fans.
Thu Jan 31, 2013, 06:34 PM
Jan 2013

I see you are a regular at DUs RKBA. There are a bunch of new postings there... you should go check 'em out.

 

raidert05

(185 posts)
31. Sorry
Thu Jan 31, 2013, 10:46 PM
Jan 2013

I like watching the show that is the gungeon here on DU, sometimes it gets a little boring so you have to stir the pot

snort

(2,334 posts)
11. How dare she speak of the military?!
Thu Jan 31, 2013, 06:38 PM
Jan 2013

I am going to get on my knees and pray to the flag right away. The nerve of that woman!

Lordquinton

(7,886 posts)
14. Would the guns at a school be any different?
Thu Jan 31, 2013, 06:41 PM
Jan 2013

I think that it is very important to remind everyone that a military base had a terrible shooting in recent years. It gets discounted because "The guns are all locked up, and everyone is responsible" except the shooter. And bases generally have armed personnel guarding them. Plus they have armories that can be accessed. Any comment to counter above completely undermines the idea; If the guns on a base where everyone is well trained to use them are locked up for safety, then having teachers carry is making them unsafe, because safe gun handling says to lock them up, even around well trained soldiers.

ajk2821

(89 posts)
16. As opposed to all those teachers and students who are expecting to be shot?
Thu Jan 31, 2013, 06:53 PM
Jan 2013
wouldn't be expecting to be shot at on base.


Does anyone go to work expecting to be shot?

11 Bravo

(23,926 posts)
25. OK, let's talk. Long ago I served in the military, and had several pieces of my tender ...
Thu Jan 31, 2013, 07:56 PM
Jan 2013

young body perforated by various and sundry nastiness. Do I also need to keep the military out of my mouth? Because, you see, after my release from Walter Reed USAMC and subsequent discharge, I used my GI benefits to go to college, and much to the surprise of everyone who knew me, I became a teacher. I've spent almost 40 years in the classroom since then; and I agree with every fucking word she said.
I hope that's OK with you.

 

raidert05

(185 posts)
30. I thank you for the blood you shed and service you gave, I have the watch...
Thu Jan 31, 2013, 10:41 PM
Jan 2013

Just as I have continued to do for the past 8 yrs in the Navy and will continue to do till i die,retire or they give me the boot, but I don't appreciate dead service members being used to prop up someones opinions from either side of the political spectrum, I carried to many of my own friends in a flag draped box to be stuck in the ground, who died in the politically driven conquest/invasion of Iraq, by some cocaine snorting, slack jawed Texan president looking to finish what his daddy started, sorry its a emotional issue for me.... Like I said before I respect her opinion and don't think arming teachers is the solution, I'm online with banning high cap mags, universal background checks and highly believe there should be some sort of Training-qualification to licensing for people to be able to purchase and own fire arms.

 

Scootaloo

(25,699 posts)
34. In your panic to defend your Precious, you missed the fucking point
Fri Feb 1, 2013, 03:38 AM
Feb 2013

But I suspect that missing the point was actually your point.

 

reteachinwi

(579 posts)
4. If I may
Thu Jan 31, 2013, 06:12 PM
Jan 2013

Arm me with a strong community that has the economic wherewithal to take care of its children so they don't grow up isolated, depressed, and unable to find their way to tomorrow. Rant

azurnoir

(45,850 posts)
7. very well put makes me proud and grateful
Thu Jan 31, 2013, 06:15 PM
Jan 2013

with the emphasis on grateful that she is from my son's district

frylock

(34,825 posts)
20. so were those kids in connecticut..
Thu Jan 31, 2013, 07:25 PM
Jan 2013

you know who is armed? the military police. you know where you might find the MP? on a military base.

Response to frylock (Reply #20)

BlancheSplanchnik

(20,219 posts)
28. That's about one of the most powerful messages I've ever seen
Thu Jan 31, 2013, 09:10 PM
Jan 2013

I don't want to even call it a "rant" because that would devalue it somehow.

I hope it goes far and ends up on the desks of large numbers of people in positions to DO something about it.

ReRe

(10,597 posts)
29. Mary Cathryn Ricker and Brickbat...
Thu Jan 31, 2013, 10:28 PM
Jan 2013
K&R

... thank you both for bringing this timely essay to our eyes!!!

Beartracks

(12,806 posts)
32. The bullet-blinded NRA thinks every problem looks like a target.
Thu Jan 31, 2013, 10:56 PM
Jan 2013

Just as people who only have a hammer in their toolbox think every problem looks like a nail, the NRA thinks every problem looks like something that can be solved by guns. It's a willful (and lucrative) ignorance, much like how the GOP thinks every problem -- like both surpluses AND deficits -- can be solved by tax cuts.

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Maineman

(854 posts)
35. What the NRA really wants
Fri Feb 1, 2013, 12:08 PM
Feb 2013

The NRA wants only one thing: more guns and more ammunition SOLD.

They say current laws should be enforced, but block funding for the ATF.

They say we should screen out bad guys and mentally unstable people from owning guns, but they oppose background checks for nearly half of the gun sales.

They say an armed populace protects liberty, but they lie, mislead, and display and encourage fear and hostility. An informed and engaged populace is what protects liberty, not hostile, threatening gun carrying thugs.

When an angry gun toting individual or group tells an elected official that they are watching how he or she votes, that sounds extremely close to meeting the legal definition of assault.

The NRA is not an honorable or credible organization.

Smilo

(1,944 posts)
37. K&R
Fri Feb 1, 2013, 12:55 PM
Feb 2013

As for this teaching mentioning Ft Hood - why not - it is a great example of being armed to the teeth and useless in the face of a lone gunman determined to kill.


It'll be a great day when education gets all the money it wants and the Air Force has to hold a bake sale to buy bombers. ~Author unknown, quoted in You Said a Mouthful edited by Ronald D. Fuchs

BumRushDaShow

(128,760 posts)
38. They cut the number of school nurses
Fri Feb 1, 2013, 01:26 PM
Feb 2013

here in the Philly public school system just over a year ago - http://articles.philly.com/2011-12-29/news/30569166_1_school-nurse-nursing-services-charter-funding

But the gun nuts would rather spend that money on weapons rather than bandaids or antiseptic.

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