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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsWillard Mitt Romney vs Newton Leroy Gingrich. Be careful what you wish for.
Let me preface this by saying it is my firm belief that Obama will win reelection walking away. Neither of these candidates, under most any legal circumstances, can stand up to Obama.
The money word in that statement is "legal." The repubicans have a history here. I was one of millions who said Al Gore couldn't possibly lose to Barbara Bush's stupidest son.
Of late, I have begun writing in as strong terms as possible against Newton Leroy Gingrich. I am quite surprised to see pushback from some of the stronger Obama supporters. I challenged one, on this board, to clarify his meaning in reply to one of my pieces. He has thus far chosen not to reply.
So be it.
As near as I can guess, the pushback from Obama's stronger supporters is that they'd rather run against Gingrich than Romney, particularly given the recent polls between each man and Obama.
I wish to push back against *that* position. Gingrich is a singularly dangerous man. Not because he might, somehow, some way, beat Obama in the generals. Oh no. He is singularly dangerous, in my view, to the country. The bush years will seem benign compared to a Gingrich presidency.
Gingrich is the loosest of loose cannons, loaded with the latest ordnance. Where the bush man-child was defended to nearly the end of his presidency by repubicans, Gingrich was ousted by his own party. For newt, it was always about Newt.
I am not one to much give a shit about a politician's sex life or peccadilloes. but when they demonstrate what pure, low life scum the man is, evidenced by divorcing not one, but two ailing wives, each for the woman who would be his next wife. A random blow job, even if given/gotten in the anteroom to the Oval Office during a time of extreme political stress doesn't come close to Newt's actions, not once, but twice. This is well beyond philandering and well into the realm of sociopathy. For Newt, it was always about Newt.
Newt was famous for steering his party on a political course as steady as squirrel facing an oncoming car. He was quick to come up with ideas - often bad - instituting them, and then changing course for no apparent good reason. For Newt, it was always about Newt.
There may have been other over riding reasons, but when Newt engineered the shutdown of the US government, he made it clear that some perceived slight over the seating arrangements on Clinton's Air Force One was a factor. A true What The Fuck moment. For Newt, it was always about Newt.
Newt has always been the lobber of verbal hand grenades. He can sound oh so reasonable in tone, volume and cadence, even as he is pouring cyanide into the political well. Watching his as these repubican primary debates unfold, even as they're being called a political clown car, is alarming. The early debates were mostly civil, even if the ideas and assertions were nutty. But as they intensified, as the tide went toward Romney, Newt did what Newt has always done. He poisoned the well. He turned the tone to hate. He caused even the usually clueless and out of touch Romney to begin snarling like a rabid junk yard dog. I called Newt toxic. I was chastised for that by some here. I find that amazing. Newt IS toxic. He poisons whatever he touches. His wives, his government, his campaigns, his party, his country. For Newt, it was always about Newt.
The repubicans have shown their ability to win against impossible odds. They will unit around whoever is the last man standing.
While I understand the easier candidate to beat, as things stand now, is Gingrich, I see him as so dangerous, so toxic, so sociopathic, that I will push back ayt those who laugh and point when they think of him winning.
He cannot be allowed to be in a position to steal the presidency. And for repubicans, whoever is their eventual nominee is, in fact, in that position.
Be careful what you wish for. For Newt, it was always about Newt. The possibility of damage by him far outweighs any slight political advantage some might think he offers.
gopiscrap
(23,726 posts)I still think Willard has a much better chanceof plausibly stealing the election than the Newter
Major Nikon
(36,818 posts)Newt is already slipping in the polls in Florida and if Newt doesn't win Florida, I don't really see how he can continue. There isn't another primary until Missouri, where Newt is not even on the ballot. Everything else between now and then is a caucus in mostly moderate states where Newt is almost certainly going to get killed. So if Newt loses Florida, he's got to wait a full month before he even has a chance at a win, and he'll have a big string of loses by then. Newt can only keep running so long as he's being financed.
CaliforniaPeggy
(149,525 posts)He IS toxic.
He IS dangerous.
Beyond belief.
I'm not sure it's right to call him a sociopath, but I could be persuaded.
Well said.
Little Star
(17,055 posts)rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)will help him drag Pres Obama and the Democratic party down into the muck. Like I said in another post, to misquote a Greek general, we cant afford to win battles like that.
In addition, as you point out, if The Newt is the republicon nominee, that means he is one step closer to the presidency. This is a horror.
MjolnirTime
(1,800 posts)Major Nikon
(36,818 posts)Newt would bring out all the rubes in the red and purple states to the polls. Romney would keep them at home. So if Obama kills whomever is the challenger, it might actually be better to have Romney driving the clown car because that might even chalk up some wins in traditionally safe seats or at the very least would cause the GOP to spend resources defending ground they would have otherwise taken for granted.
groundloop
(11,514 posts)I think I agree with your reasoning, but in any case Nuttty Neut is scary as hell.
And I've witnessed elections where so-and-so has such a tainted history that they can't possibly win - we've got one of those as governor of Georgia now. Nathan Deal, we thought, was God's gift to the Democratic Party when he got the publican nomination. He resigned from the House in the middle of the night before the report on his ethics violations was to come out, people couldn't possibly be stupid enough to vote for someone like that we thought. The Democratic in the race was actually a pretty good candidate too. Well, we now have a crook for a governor, so yes, it can happen.
In any case, it would definitely be a blessing if the repubs dislike their nominee so much that even a few percent of them stay home in November.
Stinky The Clown
(67,762 posts)Newt is so bad that no matter the calculus, we can not allow him to advance to the next step toward the presidency.