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Narcissistic Personality Disorder (Original Post) Ichingcarpenter Jan 2012 OP
The NPD runs deep in this one. Unfortunately, pnwest Jan 2012 #1
yes laundry_queen Jan 2012 #5
Narcissists also attempt to destroy those who fall from favor grasswire Jan 2012 #2
I feel your pain. i was in love with one, and worked for one... pnwest Jan 2012 #3
oh, god laundry_queen Jan 2012 #6
I was expecting a photo of Mooselini Morning Dew Jan 2012 #4
Narcisists cant stand people who dont bow before them awe. DCBob Jan 2012 #7
I'm sorry, but that can't be right hyphenate Jan 2012 #8
Can we stop this? loyalsister Jan 2012 #9
No, I think there's truth here. backscatter712 Jan 2012 #11
Sometimes a racist is just a racist loyalsister Jan 2012 #13
Hogwash- I have a background in Diagnosis involving Ichingcarpenter Jan 2012 #14
Thanks for your input laundry_queen Jan 2012 #15
The Red Flag for me was children as Janitors. Ichingcarpenter Jan 2012 #16
But what's my diagnosis? loyalsister Jan 2012 #18
to be sure, there are degrees of narcissism grasswire Jan 2012 #19
NEVER! lonestarnot Jan 2012 #22
Narcissistic and psychopathic. backscatter712 Jan 2012 #10
AKA Palin/Gingrich Syndrome 11 Bravo Jan 2012 #12
Shift the whole planet MFrohike Jan 2012 #17
Hubristic and arrogant, he continues on with the silly notion of being in the Oval someday soon. opihimoimoi Jan 2012 #20
Well MFrohike Jan 2012 #21

pnwest

(3,266 posts)
1. The NPD runs deep in this one. Unfortunately,
Sun Jan 29, 2012, 12:19 PM
Jan 2012

NPD is becoming epidemic. Precisely because these people don't care who they hurt, or step on, is why sooooo many of them are bosses, managers, CEO's, and politicians. Combined with utter lack of empathy is their ability to charm the habit off a nun when they perceive a personal benefit. Plus, NPD's are usually highly intelligent. All these traits work to create a ruthless fucker who handily ingratiates himself to his superiors, gleefully walks on the backs of his underlings, believes his own hype and easily convinces others of his greatness. The preponderance of these people rising to power in govt and in business is the single over-arching factor in our country's troubles. Lack of empathy.

Furthermore, these NPD's react violently and viciously when they perceive cracks in the veneer of their carefully crafted fantasy of being the most awesome person in the world. See: Newts vicious attacks on Mitt after Mitt began his attack ads. See also: the viciousness as of late in the entire Republican Party. They see their world crumbling, their carefully crafted world of rich, white, male superiority...and they're fighting like rabid cornered rats.

laundry_queen

(8,646 posts)
5. yes
Sun Jan 29, 2012, 03:47 PM
Jan 2012

You saved me a lot of typing. That violent reaction has a name - narcissistic rage. Not a pretty sight.

grasswire

(50,130 posts)
2. Narcissists also attempt to destroy those who fall from favor
Sun Jan 29, 2012, 01:54 PM
Jan 2012

Especially spouses or business partners they want to shed.

It's one of the traits of the disorder.

I speak as the battered survivor of a long marriage to a malignant narcissist.

pnwest

(3,266 posts)
3. I feel your pain. i was in love with one, and worked for one...
Sun Jan 29, 2012, 03:37 PM
Jan 2012

There's not enough Prozac on the planet to handle a close-up relationship with these people.

DCBob

(24,689 posts)
7. Narcisists cant stand people who dont bow before them awe.
Sun Jan 29, 2012, 03:49 PM
Jan 2012

I think thats why he had some many issues working with others while he was Speaker.

hyphenate

(12,496 posts)
8. I'm sorry, but that can't be right
Sun Jan 29, 2012, 03:49 PM
Jan 2012

I've already accepted the job of ruler of the world, so Newt is out in left field where he belongs.

As Ruler, I will remake this world into a cohesive, loving, compassionate world, and kill off anyone who pisses me off. That includes murderers, chicken-hawks, neocons, Cheney, Norquist, Rove, or anyone else who insists on being evil.

So Newt will have to wait until I die before he can claim the job. Since I insist on being immortal, that's going to be a VERY long time.

loyalsister

(13,390 posts)
9. Can we stop this?
Sun Jan 29, 2012, 03:50 PM
Jan 2012

Armchair psychology contributes to demonizing people with mental illnesses. It has been used time and again to demonize people as unworthy. Turnabout is not fair game as it validates and perpetuates the original wrong headed agenda.

Runaway slaves were classified as having a mental illness. Women have consistently been derided as less worthy because of their "tendencies to be more emotional." In order to prevent immigrants from entering the country they were classified as disabled.

http://books.google.com/books?id=N2pyIc8VoWcC&pg=PA93&lpg=PA93&dq=Disability+to+justify+inequality&source=bl&ots=J3-GQ2qeWZ&sig=OHEbNGYmvJQAcyh5VADcquZY7v0&hl=en&sa=X&ei=maAlT-nNLuqpsAKo8eyMAg&ved=0CEkQ6AEwAg#v=onepage&q=Disability%20to%20justify%20inequality&f=false

backscatter712

(26,355 posts)
11. No, I think there's truth here.
Sun Jan 29, 2012, 03:56 PM
Jan 2012

Newt shows some seriously deranged behavior patterns, and I think we should be examining him using psychology and whatever other means we have at our disposal to better know him.

He wants to be our President, and a lot of people are supporting him. And I'm convinced because of his narcissism and his psychopathic personality, he would be an exceptional dangerous and destructive President.

loyalsister

(13,390 posts)
13. Sometimes a racist is just a racist
Sun Jan 29, 2012, 04:10 PM
Jan 2012

A misogynist is just a misogynist
And a narcissist is just self involved, self important, and has a grandiose opinion of themselves without having a mental illness. Bill Clinton is very narcissistic in his own way. Every disagreeable behavior\trait is not a full on pathology.
You can make the argument that his behavior and ideas are a problem without pretending to have the facts necessary to make a valid diagnosis.

Pop psychology has very little credibility. Pushing this line of thought diminishes ours.

Ichingcarpenter

(36,988 posts)
14. Hogwash- I have a background in Diagnosis involving
Mon Jan 30, 2012, 02:27 AM
Jan 2012

behavioral disorders, M.A., M.S., M.Ed.), Specialist (Ed.S.

Your credibility is diminished by your defense of a narcissist.

laundry_queen

(8,646 posts)
15. Thanks for your input
Mon Jan 30, 2012, 03:39 AM
Jan 2012

I don't think people realize how prevalent these disorders are, nor how our current systems of employment and government promote people with those types of disorders, especially NPD and AsPD. I wonder if that person knows up to 4% of the general population is AsPD and that the percentage is much, much higher in the business community and politics? Newt shows all the signs.

Ichingcarpenter

(36,988 posts)
16. The Red Flag for me was children as Janitors.
Mon Jan 30, 2012, 03:44 AM
Jan 2012

Symptoms

A person with narcissistic personality disorder may:

React to criticism with rage, shame, or humiliation

Take advantage of other people to achieve his or her own goals

Have excessive feelings of self-importance

Exaggerate achievements and talents

Be preoccupied with fantasies of success, power, beauty, intelligence, or ideal love

Have unreasonable expectations of favorable treatment

Need constant attention and admiration

Disregard the feelings of others, and have little ability to feel empathy

Have obsessive self-interest

Pursue mainly selfish goals


http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmedhealth/PMH0001930/

loyalsister

(13,390 posts)
18. But what's my diagnosis?
Mon Jan 30, 2012, 12:07 PM
Jan 2012

Since you are so knowledgeable, I hope that you have been kind enough to evaluate everyone you communicate with as that is much closer than viewing interviews and debates.
When you interview and do an personality interview with Newt Gingrinch, you may have something.

grasswire

(50,130 posts)
19. to be sure, there are degrees of narcissism
Mon Jan 30, 2012, 08:20 PM
Jan 2012

But Narcissistic Personality Disorder is quantifiable, possible to diagnose, and is indeed a mental illness. That's why there are diagnostic criteria in the DSM.

And while a diagnosis of NPD would most likely come from a mental health professional who has interviewed Newtie, it is CERTAINLY possible and reasonable for those whose lives will be affected adversely should he prevail to name what they see in him.

When I first saw George W. Bush on the public stage, I knew he was NPD. How did I know? I had studied the criteria and read many case studies. I had lived with an NPD-er for a long time. I knew.

I will say that Newt Gingrich is not only a narcissist, but more. He is a megalomaniac. Even more dangerous that George W. Bush was.

backscatter712

(26,355 posts)
10. Narcissistic and psychopathic.
Sun Jan 29, 2012, 03:53 PM
Jan 2012

He doesn't care one whit who gets hurt due to his ambitions.

He didn't care how he hurt his first wife with cancer when he decided to "trade up for a younger model..."

And he shows the same behavior all the time in his political attacks.

He's a remorseless, conscienceless predatory psychopath.

opihimoimoi

(52,426 posts)
20. Hubristic and arrogant, he continues on with the silly notion of being in the Oval someday soon.
Mon Jan 30, 2012, 10:41 PM
Jan 2012

He cannot see the real numbers in the form of ratios and polls....his losing the gamble side of

things and all.....

He will lose his ass more and more until it bleeds....

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