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mia

(8,360 posts)
Sun Jan 29, 2012, 11:23 PM Jan 2012

Does anyone here know about the "Alinsky Method"?

The Republicans may call the Democrats "cultural Marxists social engineers", but they know very well how the game is played. Silence the voices of the people.

I became familiar with the "Alinsky method" the hard way. When I joined the teachers union over 15 years ago I attended the union stewards meetings on a regular basis. I was not a steward, but meetings were open to all members. After attending a few meetings I voiced my concerns about a health insurance issue. I was surprised (and flattered) to be invited to be part of a consensus building committee. Several committee meetings later I realized the ruse of "consensus building". Back then I researched the term and found many articles that referred to Alinsky. That name always brings to mind manipulation and deceit for me.

I still belong to the union but believe that all of the issues that we members vote on have already been decided. It's just a matter of discrediting the naysayers or convincing them to agree to the wisdom of their decisions. My dues to the union feel more like protection money.


Alinksy Method / Delphi Technique
http://overmanwarrior.wordpress.com/2010/12/29/the-delphi-technique-how-it-works/

Have you ever been to a public meeting, like a school board meeting, or a city council meeting, or a trustee public hearing on a zoning change, only to find out that the decisions had been made before the meeting ever began? And on your way home from those meetings where you had stood up and voiced your opinion, but the group preceded anyway in spite of your protests and asked yourself why you even bothered. It’s because of The Delphi Technique or some variation of it which is designed to build group consensus for a desired idea while creating the illusion of community participation. The Delphi Technique is something that everyone needs to understand. Since intellectuals began to implement these types of manipulative studies, which require specialized training to use and understand, techniques like the Delphi have subverted our election process in a subtle way nationally by subverting common sense logic in favor of a socialist oriented group conscious founded on illusion, because the end results are most of the time pre-determined....[/ i]


The Delphi Technique — What Is It?
http://www.learn-usa.com/transformation_process/acf001.htm

The Delphi Technique was originally conceived as a way to obtain the opinion of experts without necessarily bringing them together face to face. In recent times, however, it has taken on an all new meaning and purpose. In Educating for the New World Order by B. Eakman, the reader finds reference upon reference for the need to preserve the illusion that there is "…lay, or community, participation (in the decision-making process), while lay citizens were, in fact, being squeezed out." The Delphi Technique is the method being used to squeeze citizens out of the process, effecting a left-wing take over of the schools.

A specialized use of this technique was developed for teachers, the "Alinsky Method" (ibid, p.123). The setting or group is, however, immaterial; the point is that people in groups tend to share a certain knowledge base and display certain identifiable characteristics (known as group dynamics). This allows for a special application of a basic technique.

The change agent or facilitator goes through the motions of acting as an organizer, getting each person in the target group to elicit expression of their concerns about a program, project, or policy in question. The facilitator listens attentively, forms "task forces," "urges everyone to make lists," and so on. While s/he is doing this, the facilitator learns something about each member of the target group. S/He identifies the "leaders," the "loud mouths," as well as those who frequently turn sides during the argument — the "weak or noncommittal".

Suddenly, the amiable facilitator becomes "devil's advocate." S/He dons his professional agitator hat. Using the "divide and conquer" technique, s/he manipulates one group opinion against the other. This is accomplished by manipulating those who are out of step to appear "ridiculous, unknowledgeable, inarticulate, or dogmatic." S/He wants certain members of the group to become angry, thereby forcing tensions to accelerate. The facilitator is well trained in psychological manipulation. S/He is able to predict the reactions of each group member. Individuals in opposition to the policy or program will be shut out of the group....



What is 'Sensitivity Training?
http://www.newtotalitarians.com/index_files/WhatIsSensitivityTraining.htm

A specialized application of this 'change agent' technique, applied specifically to teachers, is called the Alinsky Method. It is a staple of the National Education Association (NEA). Saul Alinsky penned Rules for Radicals in 1971, in which he asserted that "any revolutionary change must be preceded by a passive, affirmative, non-challenging attitude toward change among the masses of people." [10] The radical organizer, he said, must be 'dedicated to changing the life of a particular community.' To accomplish this, the organizer must:

"Fan the resentments of the people of a community; fan the latent

hostilities of many of the people to the point of overt expression

--he must search out controversy and issues ... An organizer must

stir up dissatisfaction and discontentment [sic] ... He knows

that values are relative ..truth to him is relative and changing."

... Make no mistake. The Tavistock-Delphi-Alinsky approach to 'consensus-building' works. Each is a further refinement upon the last. It works with adults, including teachers, and school children. It works with students in college classrooms, community leaders, and even church groups. It works in 'leadership and ethics' programs at our nation's premier military academies. 'Change agents' walk in with a smile, a pleasant demeanor and a handshake. The targets rarely, if ever, know they are being manipulated. This is now becoming a reality in the nation's military -- the last institution to come under the spell of the 'cultural Marxist' social engineers.



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Does anyone here know about the "Alinsky Method"? (Original Post) mia Jan 2012 OP
Of course we do. In fact, there is going to be a big "shit in" for Lucifer at my house next week. napoleon_in_rags Jan 2012 #1
Wow! You sure know how to party! mia Jan 2012 #4
Is it a formal event? Only when our jew masters decree it. napoleon_in_rags Jan 2012 #10
Rather..."Who the fuck is Saul Alinsky??" Joanie Baloney Jan 2012 #2
exactly my thoughts... da_decider Jan 2012 #6
Thanks. I just watched the video. Funny! mia Jan 2012 #16
Interesting reading, but long Xipe Totec Jan 2012 #3
Thanks for the suggestion. mia Jan 2012 #17
We used it for our first child jberryhill Jan 2012 #5
Heh! tammywammy Jan 2012 #13
The "Alinksy Method" as described has nothing to do with Saul Alinksy. baldguy Jan 2012 #7
Now I'm really confused Joanie Baloney Jan 2012 #9
Forgive for a typo? baldguy Jan 2012 #11
Of course! I love typos Joanie Baloney Jan 2012 #15
According to the National Education Association, Saul Alinsky gets the credit mia Jan 2012 #12
Funny that you can't get that document directly from the NEA. Why is that? baldguy Jan 2012 #18
Thanks for your response." Consider the source" is always a good idea mia Jan 2012 #21
Its not about orientation, its about credibility me b zola Jan 2012 #23
For me the tell was "My dues to the union feel more like protection money." nt Doremus Jan 2012 #19
Is it a way to flatten your stomach? NAO Jan 2012 #8
I thought that was the Lamaze method jberryhill Jan 2012 #14
Sounds like something OWS shoudl learn how to do... Speck Tater Jan 2012 #20
Yup, but I sure wouldn't trust Rich Hoffman at overmanwarrior... countryjake Jan 2012 #22

napoleon_in_rags

(3,991 posts)
1. Of course we do. In fact, there is going to be a big "shit in" for Lucifer at my house next week.
Sun Jan 29, 2012, 11:31 PM
Jan 2012

You are all invited, we are planning on taking E. chromi beforehand, so that our rainbow colored shits will celebrate gay rights.



No! Nobody has heard of this stuff.

napoleon_in_rags

(3,991 posts)
10. Is it a formal event? Only when our jew masters decree it.
Sun Jan 29, 2012, 11:58 PM
Jan 2012

Let me tell you: There is nothing worse than getting ready for a nice casual weekend celebrating Alinsky by shitting for Lucifer, than when George Soros' voice comes crackling through your mind control beacon, telling you at the last minute that everybody is expected to where a TUX to take a crap for the devil. I mean, where does he expect to find one on a Saturday before MLK day??? c'mon!

Joanie Baloney

(1,357 posts)
2. Rather..."Who the fuck is Saul Alinsky??"
Sun Jan 29, 2012, 11:34 PM
Jan 2012

Hi Mia,

I don't know, but Bill Maher's bit on it last Friday was hilarious (and scary). Here's a link to the article about the bit - the video has been taken down but might be available at the HBO site.

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2012/01/28/maher-asks-who-the-f-k-is-saul-alinsky/

Enjoy!!

da_decider

(104 posts)
6. exactly my thoughts...
Sun Jan 29, 2012, 11:40 PM
Jan 2012

I was hearing this "Saul Alinsky" BS from right wingers and had no idea what it meant, neither I cared. So I was watching Bill Maher on HBO and he exactly took it right out of my mouth: who the F is Saul Alinsky?

Xipe Totec

(43,888 posts)
3. Interesting reading, but long
Sun Jan 29, 2012, 11:36 PM
Jan 2012

You need to add a summary for readers to know where you're heading and read on...

Thanks for a really illuminating post!

Made me go search for additional information....


mia

(8,360 posts)
17. Thanks for the suggestion.
Mon Jan 30, 2012, 12:28 AM
Jan 2012

It was a quick cut and paste of articles that reflected my experience. I want to read more about the topic too.

 

baldguy

(36,649 posts)
7. The "Alinksy Method" as described has nothing to do with Saul Alinksy.
Sun Jan 29, 2012, 11:44 PM
Jan 2012
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Delphi_Technique

And your source seems to be an anti-union right-wing stooge. The quote you've included: "The Delphi Technique is the method being used to squeeze citizens out of the process, effecting a left-wing take over of the schools" should've been your first clue.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beverly_Eakman

Joanie Baloney

(1,357 posts)
15. Of course! I love typos
Mon Jan 30, 2012, 12:21 AM
Jan 2012

I just thought it was part of the Grand Alinsky Conspiracy Theory we have become part of. Um...of which we have become part? Oh, yes. That's much better.

G'nite!

mia

(8,360 posts)
12. According to the National Education Association, Saul Alinsky gets the credit
Mon Jan 30, 2012, 12:04 AM
Jan 2012

The following document was written in 1972 for use in the training of teachers. If many recognize it as the facilitative process, the Delphi technique, to which they have been exposed, such is because they are one and the same. This process has been around for a long time, being perfected and fine-tuned, awaiting the time when it would be implemented extensively in the interests of transforming America.

Alinsky for Teacher Organizers

By

J. Michael Arisman

Midwest Training Consultant

National Education Association

Introduction

The Industrial Areas Foundation is a training institute for community organizers. The IAF was run by Saul Alinsky until his death in June of 1972. Edward Chambers is its Associate Director, and Richard Harmon is Director of Field Operations. In January of 1972, Alinsky, Chambers and Harmon conducted a training program for UniServ personnel in the State of Kentucky, and in February a training program for Illinois UniServ personnel. The material enclosed is drawn from those training programs in the "Principles of Organizing."

The reader will note that the text makes constant reference to Alinsky, but not to Chambers or Harmon. This is merely a convenience. Alinsky, Chambers and Harmon all contributed to the views which we identify here as Alinsky's. Their conceptualization of the task of organizing is identical in all substantial regard. This is why a combination of views can be described as Alinsky's. It should be noted, however, that selection of material for inclusion in the article, as well as phraseology, is the author's, and is not the responsibility of the IAF staff.

http://www.learn-usa.com/transformation_process/roa018.htm

 

baldguy

(36,649 posts)
18. Funny that you can't get that document directly from the NEA. Why is that?
Mon Jan 30, 2012, 12:34 AM
Jan 2012

Just who is LEARN-USA? Who is Lynn M Stuter?

Just because something is posted somewhere on the Internet, doesn't make it gospel truth. You need to investigate WHO is putting it out there and WHY. The old saying is Consider The Source.

These people you're quoting are RW, anti-govt, anti-union, anti-public education who are bent on removing all information which is tainted by what they consider to be leftist, anti-Christian ideology. They are not an unbiased source without any agenda. They put shit like this out precisely to prime infiltrators to disrupt public meetings, committees and other public gatherings which are meant to educate the public on issues that effect them & to prevent any consensus from being reached at such meetings.

Remember the Tea Party Protests? They went around to town meetings and did just that - they stopped elected Representatives & Senators from explaining what was happening with the heath care reform effort, and they stopped the public from expressing their opinion about it.

mia

(8,360 posts)
21. Thanks for your response." Consider the source" is always a good idea
Mon Jan 30, 2012, 01:15 AM
Jan 2012

When I was looking for articles that reflected my experience, I didn't stop to consider whether or not I agreed with the political orientation of the writer.

me b zola

(19,053 posts)
23. Its not about orientation, its about credibility
Mon Jan 30, 2012, 01:39 AM
Jan 2012

When sources have been cought bald-faced lying several times, and the rest of their garbage is meant to mislead, one would be silly to consider anything they post as being factual. RW sources cannot be trusted as being truthful because they are shameless in their attempts to decieve.

 

Speck Tater

(10,618 posts)
20. Sounds like something OWS shoudl learn how to do...
Mon Jan 30, 2012, 12:59 AM
Jan 2012

quote: "any revolutionary change must be preceded by a passive, affirmative, non-challenging attitude toward change among the masses of people." The radical organizer, he said, must be 'dedicated to changing the life of a particular community.'

countryjake

(8,554 posts)
22. Yup, but I sure wouldn't trust Rich Hoffman at overmanwarrior...
Mon Jan 30, 2012, 01:19 AM
Jan 2012

to provide anyone with any reliable info on what Alinsky actually did for the working people of our country.

You post a link to a rabid conservative right-wingnut site like Hoffman's (a bloviating buddy of Glen Beck, who is firmly entrenched in the right-to-work movement to crush worker rights and destroy union strength) and say that the name of Alinsky brings to mind "manipulation and deceit".

Oh the irony!


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