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Playinghardball

(11,665 posts)
Mon Jan 30, 2012, 03:38 PM Jan 2012

How do we keep candidates from lying over and over?

Why doesn't the fact-checking come first?

After a presidential debate, even before the debate has ended, we're able now to read fact-checks from Pulitzer Prize-winning PolitiFact and many news organizations.

But shouldn't the candidates get their facts straight and tell the truth in the first place?

"American politics has become a battle of talking points," said Bill Adair, editor of PolitiFact and Washington bureau chief for The Tampa Bay Times. "Once candidates find a talking point they like, they often stick with it — even when fact-checkers say it's wrong."

Perhaps the first questions in the next presidential debate should be something along these lines...

More: http://openchannel.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2012/01/30/10246616-how-do-we-keep-candidates-from-lying-over-and-over

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How do we keep candidates from lying over and over? (Original Post) Playinghardball Jan 2012 OP
every debate should begin barbtries Jan 2012 #1
Nice Idea zoechen Jan 2012 #4
It would be nice to have live fact-checking during a debate. TheWraith Jan 2012 #6
hook them up to a lie detector. hobbit709 Jan 2012 #2
How DO we keep candidates from lying over and over? FrodosPet Jan 2012 #3
that's the best idea yet. barbtries Jan 2012 #5
wire their jaws eShirl Jan 2012 #7
Sometime during the Reagan regime edhopper Jan 2012 #8
Quote from a guy with PolitiFact... trumad Jan 2012 #9
We know perfectly well how, but we're unwilling to do it. saras Jan 2012 #10
Yes. That is what the media and moderators should be doing. chowder66 Jan 2012 #11
How do we keep candidates from lying over and over? Simple. RC Jan 2012 #12

barbtries

(28,769 posts)
1. every debate should begin
Mon Jan 30, 2012, 03:40 PM
Jan 2012

by grilling the candidates about the lies they told in the last debate. as if that would happen.

 

zoechen

(93 posts)
4. Nice Idea
Mon Jan 30, 2012, 03:47 PM
Jan 2012

That should be one of the jobs of the moderator of the debate and it should be the first half hour (at minimum) of the debate itself.

Like I said nice idea.

barbtries

(28,769 posts)
5. that's the best idea yet.
Mon Jan 30, 2012, 04:05 PM
Jan 2012

but then they'd all turn into mute little glenn becks lying on a chalkboard.

edhopper

(33,479 posts)
8. Sometime during the Reagan regime
Mon Jan 30, 2012, 04:13 PM
Jan 2012

The Press stopped being a reporter of truth, and became a reporter of what people say. giving "both sides" was all that mattered. Even if one side was blatently false.
This will not change as the media becomes completely corporate controlled.

 

saras

(6,670 posts)
10. We know perfectly well how, but we're unwilling to do it.
Mon Jan 30, 2012, 04:26 PM
Jan 2012

When we - the majority of us - are willing to drive a politician out of office, out of business, and onto the street, homeless, for lying - AND we refuse to tolerate any less of our neighbors - then we can have politicians who don't lie. It's not hard - just DON'T REWARD THEM FOR IT. EVER. IN ANY WAY WHATSOEVER.

It's the same way you train a kid not to whine, or a dog not to bite. First you solve the problems that create the motivations, and then you do not EVER reward the inappropriate behavior.

chowder66

(9,054 posts)
11. Yes. That is what the media and moderators should be doing.
Mon Jan 30, 2012, 04:26 PM
Jan 2012

I agree that politifact has lost legitimacy but if they are fact checked and turn out to be right they they should be sourced. Maybe over time they will gain back a reputation for being a pulitzer prize winning fact checking entity if they leave out their projections and opinions.

 

RC

(25,592 posts)
12. How do we keep candidates from lying over and over? Simple.
Mon Jan 30, 2012, 04:51 PM
Jan 2012

Stop voting for them. Then they would stop being candidates over and over again.

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