Morrissey: "If men were homosexual, there would be no wars"

[FrodosPet]

http://rookiemag.com/2013/02/this-charming-man-an-interview-with-morrissey/

What political causes mattered most to you back then, and are they still important to you now?

War, I thought, was the most negative aspect of male heterosexuality. If more men were homosexual, there would be no wars, because homosexual men would never kill other men, whereas heterosexual men love killing other men. They even get medals for it. Women don’t go to war to kill other women. Wars and armies and nuclear weapons are essentially heterosexual hobbies.

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It seems to me that he is helping the argument that gays should NOT be in the military.

[The Magistrate]

1. Not a Deep Thinker, Sir

Old Grecian items like the Theban Band come to mind....

[KittyWampus]

9. "not a deep thinker"… master of understatement there Magistrate.

LOL!

[Warpy]

28. or a thinker at all.

Perhaps he's been cloistered all his life and has never met the macho warrior gays in military and paramilitary organizations the way we uncloistered people often have.

It's really a shame when people expose themselves as being so utterly ignorant of the big wide world.

[bemildred]

49. Indeed Sir, does not even rise to the level of being wrong in a coherent way. nt

[mucifer]

2. Well it's just not true.

And women can war mongers, too.

[geek tragedy]

3. Yeah, Alexander the Great was a total pacifist. nt

[DURHAM D]

18. LOL

perfect response

[Kennah]

34. Don't forget Julius Caesar

[geek tragedy]

35. Caesar's beard must be above suspicion. nt

[Behind the Aegis]

38. Caesar wasn't gay. It is very probable he was bisexual though.

However, I have more of a feeling, from the readings I done about him, he was more an opportunist than anything.

[Bohunk68]

53. I agree with your assessment.

I've come to that conclusion long time ago. As an amateur historian, I read all about his escapades with the pirates and all that, and political sexual opportunist fits him.

[RZM]

58. Reminds of that scene from 'Rome'

When Ceasar has a seizure, his slave and Octavian hustle him off to a back room so nobody will see, since seizures were sign of being cursed.

They pass it off by having Octavian slink out of the room in sight of another slave, who assumes the whole to-do was just Octavian and Caesar getting it on, which would be perfectly normal.

[Kennah]

83. Sounds like Caesar would have been a fan of Stephen Stills

[Lizzie Poppet]

59. Richard the First, too...

When Morrissey opens his mouth, one can only hope it's to sing.

[Mopar151]

4. It seems to me that he is full of crap.

I would expect nothing less from Mr. Morrissey.

[Fumesucker]

5. If men were all homosexual there would be no humans n/t

[bluedigger]

13. This is no place for logic.

[Marr]

31. Ergo, no wars. Ah... HA!

Checkmate! Game: Morrissey!

[TheMastersNemesis]

6. Greek And Roman Armies Had A Hight Degree Of Homosexuality In Their Ranks.

[FreeState]

7. Taken out of context I see...

He is not talking about his current beliefs, but what he believed as a young person. When he was a young person life was very different and even what was known about gay history or gays in history was not taught.

What were your greatest aspirations as a young person, and would you say you’ve achieved them?

My greatest aspiration was to make it through the coming week. As a teenager I found life to be inevitably disgusting, and I could see no humanity in the human race. When my time in music began, I found all my goals were reachable. For the first time ever in my life, I spoke and people listened. I had never known such a thing previously. My life as a teenager was so relentlessly foul that I still can’t believe I actually survived it. Perhaps I didn’t…

What political causes mattered most to you back then, and are they still important to you now?

War, I thought, was the most negative aspect of male heterosexuality. If more men were homosexual, there would be no wars, because homosexual men would never kill other men, whereas heterosexual men love killing other men. They even get medals for it. Women don’t go to war to kill other women. Wars and armies and nuclear weapons are essentially heterosexual hobbies.

The most political gesture you can make is to refuse to eat animals. It was so when I was a teenager, and is still the case now.

[FrodosPet]

8. I think the word you are looking for is "Context"

I would hope he has grown out of that simplemindedness.

[Zax2me]

10. He thinks he is a deep thinker.

These are the type of people that see themselves as intellectually above the masses.
That is how they get caught in situations where they proclaim maniacal theories.
They get in position to do this because by default they are narcissistic.
It usually and regularly comes from a right wing or rep perspective.
But can come from the left in rare circumstances.

[Behind the Aegis]

11. What a wonderfully absurd remark.

[joshcryer]

12. Moz says some crazy shit sometimes.

This to me sounds like him playing to some rather intellectually devoid part of his fanbase.

My favorite Morrisey quote:

Interviewer: Did you hear t.A.T.u's version of 'How Soon Is Now'?
Morrissey: Yes, it was magnificent. Absolutely. Again, I don't know much about them.
Interviewer: They're the teenage Russian lesbians.
Morrissey: Well, aren't we all?

[Codeine]

69. I once heard about him commenting on the "intellectual chasm" between himself

and other artists; predictably he pronounced the "ch" as in "church" rather than a "k" sound.

[LiberalFighter]

14. Then why are there gays in the military?

I'm sure they are willing to kill someone from the other side if needed.

[cbrer]

15. DUDE! You KNOW that's bullshit!

Some of the people I've associated with over my tenure of military arts, were gayer than 50 rainbows, and more bloodthirsty than a battalion of vampire bats.

Make all the generalizations you want. Sometimes, for example in plotting trends, they're useful.

Sometimes...they're NOT!

[Orrex]

16. What happens if we ignore him more?

[Kennah]

33. There is always the risk he'll get dumber

[MrSlayer]

17. He's a fucking moron.

In ancient times, armies encouraged homosexual relationships among the soldiers. Figuring it would make them fight harder for each other.

Gay men have been fighting and killing since the first war and in every war since.

Repeat, this guy is a moron.

[geek tragedy]

19. Look how Achilles went off on the Trojans after they killed Patroclus. nt

[MrSlayer]

20. Yep.

And no one was as badass as Achilles.

[geek tragedy]

23. Of course, in elementary school we learned Patroclus was his 'cousin'

Teh gay could not be mentioned

[d_r]

44. As Antony said to Cleopatra

as he opened a crate of Ale

[snooper2]

21. They have never been to a DU forum/group

[Kablooie]

22. That's true.

Because if all men were gay the human race would be gone and therefore no wars.

[sibelian]

24. He's a moronic striker of attitudes and poses.

I knew several like him when I was a student.

[Nye Bevan]

25. More evidence.....

[FrodosPet]

27. ROTFLMAO!

But on a serious note: Does he think he is HELPING tear down stereotypes and oppression?

Perhaps congress shouldn't have bothered with assistance to LGBT victims of domestic violence in VAWA, because it is not needed?

Perhaps the military WAS right to ban LGBT troops, because they aren't right for the terrible but necessary job of killing people and breaking stuff?

[Revanchist]

26. Did he mention that he cries?

[Codeine]

67. When that one first aired

I honestly thought I was going to injure myself laughing. One of MST3k's most triumphant moments.

[upi402]

29. Blanket statements are fun to proclaim

I know a gay man or two that are absolute jerks.

[Marr]

30. And the Sacred Band of Thebes was what? A theater troupe?

I didn't realize he was so ignorant.

[WCGreen]

32. Self-important Songwriter in a Coma.....

[Aerows]

57. I know, I know

he can't be serious...

[Cleita]

36. I wonder if the ancient Spartan warriors would agree? n/t

[cali]

37. irritating, self-righteous, ignorant idiot.

[MicaelS]

39. Every time this clown opens his mouth...

He sticks both feet in up to his ankles. And the height of his arrogance is trying to blackmail others like Jimmy Kimmel and the Los Angeles' Staples Center.

Jimmy Kimmel: Morrissey 'Keeps Finding New Ways to Depress Us'

http://www.rollingstone.com/movies/videos/jimmy-kimmel-morrissey-keeps-finding-new-ways-to-depress-us-20130227

[RudynJack]

40. There may not be wars

but there'd be lots of slap-fights.

I kid. But Morrissey has made a very good living by saying silly things, so more power to him. I choose to pay as little attention as possible. In fact, this post is the greatest amount of attention he's ever gotten from me.

[Violet_Crumble]

41. He's made a living from singing, and he's brilliant at that...

And the best song ever from the best band ever

[Ken Burch]

42. But if there were, the uniforms would be AMAZING!!!!!

[Violet_Crumble]

43. Lighten Up Morrissey...

Oh yeah, and all of you who take Moz every bit as seriously as he takes himself could do with some lightening up as well, imo...

[HappyMe]

45. What a stupid, pompous ass.

Please go back to obscurity, Mr. No Thought Here.

[alcibiades_mystery]

46. Nobody recognizes his real motive? Johnny Marr released his first ever solo album on Tuesday

Then Morrissey has an interview released during which he says something crazy and attention grabbing?

Not really a surprise. It must have been driving him crazy that Johnny Marr was getting more publicity these last two weeks.

This is the reason The Smiths broke up, right here, in a nutshell.

[Puzzledtraveller]

54. Haha, great observation I forgot about that

Marr is great and I'm looking forward to checking his album out. Of course Moz is jealous, he hates it when his friends become successful.

[alcibiades_mystery]

68. Well played

[Codeine]

64. I'm usually very skeptical of artists releasing new material way past their prime

because it almost always sucks (Depeche Mode, I'm looking at you) but the five or six songs I've heard from Marr's new effort have been remarkably good.

[alcibiades_mystery]

66. I believe I owe it to Johnny Marr to buy his album...it's quite likely the guy saved my life

more than once.

(But don't forget the songs
That made you cry
And the songs that saved your life
Yes you're older now, and you're a clever swine
But they were the only ones
Who ever stood by you...)

[gollygee]

47. I am a big fan of Morrissey

Love him.

But I wouldn't put money on that bet. There seems to be a level of violence in humankind, for whatever reason.

[Arkana]

48. Seems to me the only war it would have prevented would have been the one between the Greeks

and the Trojans.

[sendero]

50. There would be..

... no people.

I've always thought this guy was daft, all doubt has been removed.

[Puzzledtraveller]

51. As a teen Morrissey made a lot of sense to me

lately, I have no idea what he's talking about. Strangeways Here We Come.

[Javaman]

52. morrissey don't give up your day job.

play music and leave it at that.

[Sheldon Cooper]

55. And that's like saying that if women ruled the world there would be no more wars.

Which is also balderdash. There may not be as many wars, and they may not be wars as we know them, but there would be wars of some type. I think it's just human nature.

[Iggo]

56. Oh, morrissey.

[KurtNYC]

60. apparently Morrissey has never been backstage at a drag show n/t

[BainsBane]

81. neither have I

but somehow I'm sure I'm missing a lot.

[treestar]

61. Like the one where women run the world

Which may actually be true, but we can't know for sure yet.

[BainsBane]

82. there is some evidence to suggest that might be true

since there is a link between testosterone levels and violence, and women commit a very small portion of violent crimes.

[treestar]

86. I imagined the summit

Of all women leaders. They'd start talking about their husbands and kids and never get around to why there might need to be a war.

I read there are not more than 50% female law students, and honestly think it could lead to less litigation and more settlements. Practical solutions to the case rather than egos about who is the best lawyer and who is the toughest could result.

[Codeine]

62. I love, love, love Moz

but DAMN does he say some stupid shit from time to time.

[Jumpin Jack Fletch]

63. Tell it to Julius Caesar

As well as Richard I (The Lionhearted) and Richard III of England.

[Codeine]

65. Somewhere Jeffery Dahmer is rolling in his grave, laughing. nt

[derby378]

70. SPARTA!!!

Memo to Steven Morrissey:

Many Spartan warriors were bisexual. Many of them were also, unfortunately, pederasts.

And every one of them could also kick your butt (or mine) in a straight-up fight. Heck, Deadliest Warriror ran a combat simulation of a Spartan hoplite vs. a Japanese samurai and gave a very narrow edge to the Spartan. (Hint: it's the shield.)

[white_wolf]

73. Deadliest Warrior isn't the most accurate show.

I'd think in a one on one fight the Samurai would have the advantage since since his weapons would be made of steel and Samurai did fight one on one more often than Spartans who trained as units. Besides, Deadliest Warrior missed a golden opportunity to do a Samurai Vs. Knight fight.

[The Magistrate]

75. Thhat Was Spartan v. Ninja, Sir, And It Was Swill

There would not have been any fight; the Spartan simply would have woken up dead some night....

[derby378]

76. I think you were watching a different show

It was definitely Sparta vs. samurai. But I can't argue about the ninja. Who's that behind - oops! Too late.

[The Magistrate]

77. Looks Like They Did Both, Sir

I only saw the one. The things one will watch while convalescing from surgery....

[Ikonoklast]

71. If pseudo-intellectual Morrissey stopped making inane pronouncements on a regular basis,

he'd finally be able to keep that funky taste of shoe polish out of his mouth.


And I agree with the comments about Johnny Marr, he's been on SiriusXM every morning this week on Madison's show, they've been playing his solo effort.

Worth a listen.

[slackmaster]

72. All I had to do was go on YouTube and search for "gay bar fight". It took all of 10 seconds.

[Initech]

74. I think if free expression were a fundamental human right...

And we weren't bound by what society thinks of us - only then would we have no wars.

[tularetom]

78. Some men ARE homosexual and there are still some wars

I'm not sure what he infers from that statement but his conclusion does not follow.

I'm not sure who he is or what he is trying to accomplish with these remarks but he failed to impress me.

And that's an extremely low bar.

[johnlucas]

79. Wars exist because of egoistic selfish humans. Being gay or female won't stop war.

I used to hear that if women ruled the world, there would be no more war.
That's bull.
The wars would just have a different cause & motivation, that's all.

Same thing with gays.
They fight just as much as any other group of people.
They fight amongst other groups & even within themselves.
Look at the whole 'LGBTQ' label itself for signs of that struggle.
They can't even come together under one solid inclusive name.
Everybody's jockeying for their particular designation to be recognized.

Gays in the military is nothing new anyway.
Gays fought in ancient times openly & until recently they fought in the modern times secretly.

It's not Gays or Women or anybody else.
It's People.
When people learn to create abundance AND ALSO share this abundance so that no one gets left out, then war will end.
Too much ego in the mix for the human species for this happen anytime soon.
It will remain a hypothetical remote possibility for the time being.
John Lucas

[BainsBane]

80. I see no correlation

Scientists have shown links between testosterone and violence, which is among the reasons that men in general commit most violent acts in society. Gay men have testosterone too.

[Kennah]

84. If he keeps "thinking", he's going to conclude vagina causes war.

[arely staircase]

85. yeah that alexander the great, what a sissy, huh? having teh gay and all

only straight guys conquer the known world.

[99Forever]

87. Poppycock.

Being gay is no guarantee that someone is non-violent. Wars are about taking from others by violence and has zero to do with one's sexuality. This is perhaps the stupidest "theory" I've heard this week, beyond the drivel that only "one party" is responsible for the latest bullshit "national financial crisis."