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(184 posts)Liberal_in_LA
(44,397 posts)iandhr
(6,852 posts)Demoiselle
(6,787 posts)(I have no expertise...just a guess.)
xxqqqzme
(14,887 posts)'45 - just because it doesn't reference gardening as home front war effort.
spooky3
(34,405 posts)will chime in. It is an interesting poster.
Riftaxe
(2,693 posts)USDA campaign.
There was a series of the "Demonstrate Thrift In Your Home" posters. Other posters in the series had messages with "Waste No Food" as well as "Food Will Win The War".
spooky3
(34,405 posts)Recursion
(56,582 posts)According to google
handmade34
(22,756 posts)and this
green for victory
(591 posts)kag
(4,078 posts)myrna minx
(22,772 posts)I have two cool posters from the WWII era about saving cooking fats and pledging to not purchase black market food.
It's sad to see how the mission of the USDA has changed over the years.
Andy Stanton
(264 posts)The mission is largely to support the industry. In Democratic administrations some effort is made to support small farmers and the general public. In Republican administrations the effort is virtually 100% on the side of huge farms and corporate interests.
lynne
(3,118 posts)- I have a garden, can the produce, and have a small flock of hens. Great food and great fun!
handmade34
(22,756 posts)Cleita
(75,480 posts)Also, many home owner's associations tell you what you can grow in your yard along with what color you can paint your house.
Major Nikon
(36,818 posts)I'm kinda glad the HOA made him change it.
Cleita
(75,480 posts)My neighbor across the road just painted his house pink with blue and white trims. It looks really good.
Major Nikon
(36,818 posts)They are from India and whatever they were aiming for wasn't exactly in line with western motifs. I really like my neighbor, so I didn't complain about it, but it really looked bad. Our HOA is pretty easy going, but they called him on it and he changed it. I told him I'd help him repaint, but he hired a professional to do it. He understood and didn't get upset over it.
Blanks
(4,835 posts)Raising chickens. I would expect that if you didn't have any roosters and the density was small enough that there wasn't an odor problem. Nobody would complain.
If you live somewhere with restrictive covenants and a homeowners association... Well, I don't know what you were thinking.
Cleita
(75,480 posts)She had a couple of roosters at a time. (Most of them made Sunday dinner before they were a year old.) But since it was during the war, she provided the neighborhood with eggs, which were rationed at the time, so no one complained about her chickens.
Hekate
(90,556 posts)... in Suburbia. We have 4 hens that we got by accident, and have had zero complaints from the neighbors. The guy next door likes them so much he got a few of his own. The rest of the neighbors get gifts of eggs from us every so often and are very pleased.
xtraxritical
(3,576 posts)Granny M
(1,395 posts)Roosters only needed for fertilized eggs. They are too noisy for me, although many people like to keep them around to look after the hens.
AlbertCat
(17,505 posts)And depending on the type...they can be beautiful!
But they are noisy. Peacocks are beautiful but REAL noisy! Great watchdogs tho'.
Granny M
(1,395 posts)There's a garden center in town that has several Cochin hens and a rooster. He is stunning, and huge. Also has some kind of bantam rooster who is beautiful, too.
I've heard that it's good to have the roosters for the hens' protection. They will even battle foxes.
I'm too light a sleeper, though. I'm afraid the noise would drive me nuts.
Recursion
(56,582 posts)LeftInTX
(25,126 posts)In Homo Sapiens, these eggs results in a monthly gift called, menstruation.
Granny M
(1,395 posts)I look after them, cleaning their nesting box daily and cleaning their run area when it needs it, usually a couple of times a month. They don't smell, and they hardly make any noise at all. They free-range in our garden for a few hours every day. They cause no problems. I wonder why anyone would object to 2 or 3 hens in someone's back garden?
It's almost as if there are people out there trying to keep people dependent upon this non-renewable resource driven economy.
A chicken only needs about a 10 square feet area with good drainage. They help keep the bugs down.
There are a lot of good reasons to encourage people to have chickens; it makes no sense to me that they are 'illegal'.
My wife jokes about establishing an urban chicken defense fund. Our local ordinance are not based on any kind of logic; just an arbitrarily selected maximum number regardless of lot size.
pansypoo53219
(20,955 posts)in Milwaukee.
Granny M
(1,395 posts)The hens are delightful little pets. Never heard about turkeys.
Bernardo de La Paz
(48,957 posts)limpyhobbler
(8,244 posts)Blanks
(4,835 posts)xtraxritical
(3,576 posts)if I tried to put hens in my yard. I've tried to grow a garden for years but a 110 f in the summer it's too hot for even tomato plants.
Granny M
(1,395 posts)I had raised beds last year because of poor soil in our area. Had to buy some good topsoil, but it worked pretty well. We moved to a new place, and I may try a few grow bags and pots this year.
Kali
(55,003 posts)you will have fall tomatoes, no problem
Ednahilda
(195 posts)rootsimple.com
These folks do the small-scale urban homesteading thing in Los Angeles and have a lot of information about growing food in hot climates. Even though I live in the cold Northeast I still find lots of good stuff there. Big plus: they have a good sense of humor.
LeftInTX
(25,126 posts)We plant late February, then early Sept. We plant determinant(shorter season) heat setting varieties too.
Many other vegetables don't survive the summer either.
Greens are strictly a winter crop down here.
xtraxritical
(3,576 posts)raouldukelives
(5,178 posts)In our new age of climate awareness, it is the least any of us can do. Maybe it is far past time for Climate Victory Gardens but every little bit can only help.
DaveJ
(5,023 posts)What comes to mind is whatever the U.S. was trying to avoid back then, looks like we lost. As many have said, farming is not allowed on most property, alot is not large enough, people are just expected to suckle the teet of corporations including Monsanto. They won. But it doesn't mean we can't fight back.
Recursion
(56,582 posts)I'll see if I can get the print shop at work to surreptitiously print that out for me on stock.
longship
(40,416 posts)midnight
(26,624 posts)lynne
(3,118 posts)- and I love those fresh eggs. My area did not allow chickens but the laws were amended last year. Backyard chickens are very popular right now and laws are being amended in many locations to allow for having hens for fresh eggs.
We're in the middle of a snowstorm right now and "the girls" hate the snow so I imagine they'll not be happy when the sun comes up!
midnight
(26,624 posts)the hens are sold off or eaten.. So I keep re-thinking this... but have wanted to own them for some time.. I grew up next door to a Veterinarian who built a pond and had little chicks running around... but that was in Arizona.. and while it does get cold at night and snow in the mountains.. It is nothing like here in Wisconsin...
lynne
(3,118 posts)- unless it would be a long stretch of sub-zero weather. Many breeds of chickens do wonderfully well in the cold provided they have a chicken coop that isn't drafty but has good ventilation to allow escape of excess moisture.
My girls are just being Diva's as we haven't had a lot of snow this year so they're not used to it. I threw straw over some of the snow and they'll only walk out as far as the straw extends. LOL!
I've learned a lot from http://www.backyardchickens.com/ and there are many discussions regarding chickens in the winter. Members in Alaska and Canada don't have any problems and do not use supplemental heat. There are also members from Wisconsin who could give you some pointers. Guess their girls learn to live with the snow!
JDPriestly
(57,936 posts)may be fine and healthy, but in a city where lots are 50 by 150, chickens are a horror -- and a health problem. The manure is nice for a garden, but chicken coops and shelter have to be kept very clean. My neighbors who had them let the chickens' coop become filthy. And the chickens were all over my yard all the time. Free-range eggs are great but the chickens that lay them need room.
MineralMan
(146,255 posts)than a dozen chickens, and many, many people own dogs. I own a dog. Its crap is constant issue. Still, I have one. As for noise, one dog can make more noise than however many chickens you might have in your suburban yard, frankly. There's one at my rear neighbor's house that barks almost constantly. I'd prefer a dozen chickens and even a rooster to that.
There is no earthly reason why people should not keep chickens in their back yard. No reason at all. Making reasons up is not the answer, either.
JDPriestly
(57,936 posts)I'm cleaning up my yard constantly. If you want a dog, clean up after it -- even in your own yard.
At least what the chickens leave will fertilize your yard. What the dogs leave kills the grass in my experience.
MineralMan
(146,255 posts)our beagle-basset mix chap. I wish the same were true with my neighbors and their dogs.
People who whine about a few chickens in a backyard are missing the whole picture, IMO. I'd love to hear a rooster crowing in my neighborhood. Then I'd know that someone was keeping chickens, and that's always a good thing.
IrishAyes
(6,151 posts)Hens are one thing, roosters another. Those damn roosters start up BEFORE daylight to summon the sun, didn't you know that? But if noise and health laws are strictly and impartially enforced (and when has that ever happened in a small town?), raising chickens can be fine. They've never been prone to attacking other pets and humans either, unlike roosters and dogs.
It would be WWIII in this town if I hadn't put up a 4-ft fence around the entire perimeter of my quarter acre - that's about the average size lot here. I have real issues about people with free range dogs, because I garden and landscape and those nasty little male dogs used to pee on my front door because I had female dogs indoors. After 2 years and several cans of pepper spray, at last I found the kind of vintage fencing I wanted to go with the house. Only one place I could find still makes it, and at that just about once a year when they get enough special orders to make a run. So I had a time of it for awhile.
Once the fence went up I could let my chows out when I couldn't take them for a walk, so that made life easier for me. Neighbors didn't like it because my property no longer served as a convenient short cut, and they didn't want to challenge the chows or me either for that matter. Anyway, with my dogs having the run of the yard I had to fence in the garden area too, but it was worth it. You can grow almost anything in raised beds. Once you get them established and collect your own seeds from heirloom varieties, gardening can be very cost effective. Most heirlooms reseed themselves w/o any help.
Strawberry plants make excellent mulch and keep down weeds so well, even creeping charlie which I encourage to grow along the fence row because I don't like to trim. No need to buy fertilizer either if you compost. Just go entirely organic and you're better off in every way.
JDPriestly
(57,936 posts)But only if the neighbors don't complain because there is, I think, (or at least used to be) about the distance the chickens must be from the house, and our lots are too small to allow for chickens.
We woke up on Easter morning to find a rooster on our fence crowing away. I assume someone's Easter dinner had escaped.
xtraxritical
(3,576 posts)UnrepentantLiberal
(11,700 posts)HiPointDem
(20,729 posts)things new than to pay to have them repaired. cheaper to buy eggs in the store than to keep chickens.
jerseyjack
(1,361 posts)toby jo
(1,269 posts)I studied ag in the late 70s' - these gardens were widespread in Europe. They also use their land more productively in general. For example, they would have gardens and crops planted right up to the edge of the road, whereas in the states, we would have a 'front yard', or at least a lawn strip up against the road.
IrishAyes
(6,151 posts).... with such dense planting so close to a roadway is that exhaust fumes from the vehicles do get into the produce. I wouldn't eat anything grown that way for love or $.
JayhawkSD
(3,163 posts)I'm guessing the pollution would stagger the imagination. We would not even be able to wade in the Pacific Ocean, let alone swim in it.
Recursion
(56,582 posts)HCE SuiGeneris
(14,994 posts)MynameisBlarney
(2,979 posts)Some cities will fine you for doing such things these days.
This should be encouraged!
JDPriestly
(57,936 posts)Too sensible for so many Americans.
In spite of the huge sums we spend on refrigeration and other ways to keep food fresh, middle class Americans waste enough to feed everyone on food stamps plus.
Waste not that ye want not.
Still good advice.
xtraxritical
(3,576 posts)JDPriestly
(57,936 posts)Blanks
(4,835 posts)I think most people would find that if it were a part of their daily routine; it would actually save time.
If you had a few chickens and a little know how you could grow a few things like lettuce and tomatoes and throw your scraps to the chickens.
I don't know about you but it can take a while to go to the grocery store; drive to it, wait in line, put it in bags, drive home put it away, prepare your food.
If you planted a little kitchen garden you could go out pick a healthy snack and feel a sense of accomplishment. Not to mention begin to really enjoy eating.
The thing is; I've never heard anyone say "I sure feel stupid for trying to grow a garden, what a waste of time".
Think about it; have you? Everyone that I know who has ever tried gardening has found it to be a truly enjoyable hobby.
phantom power
(25,966 posts)That was the moment when politicians concluded that asking Americans to sacrifice, or give back, or 'ask what they could do for their country', was a political loser.
Burma Jones
(11,760 posts)datasuspect
(26,591 posts)using the word luncheon?
sounds much better than lunch.
lumpy
(13,704 posts)The word 'the' sounds much better than 'tu', also.
dem in texas
(2,673 posts)I was a small child during WWII, but I remember the big Victory garden we had in our back yard in Dallas. We also had a flock of chickens. I can remember my mother and grandmother making soap out of lye and old grease in the back yard because there was a soap shortage.
Starry Messenger
(32,342 posts)I'm happy for people who can do those things, but some of us rely on stores.
Doremus
(7,261 posts)Then you have the perfect place for a container garden. Even a window sill is great for growing herbs.
You don't have to have acreage to have a garden.
Starry Messenger
(32,342 posts)No roof access either, sadly.
Melinda
(5,465 posts)and yours is in this set as well. These are a part of many images from the North Dakota State Historical Society website. Just click on the individual photos to enlarge each one:
http://history.nd.gov/exhibits/gardening/objects5.html
This one is from that set:
The entire site and the history therein is fascinating and wonderful. Enjoy
Oh, and K&R!
Mutatis Mutandis
(90 posts)as exhibiting traits of potential domestic terrorists. It's all about ensuring full-spectum helplessness.
Laura PourMeADrink
(42,770 posts)thanks for sharing. I wonder why there is so little in PSA out there now. Think Obama should
revive the program - get some good info out there on health care too.
The2ndWheel
(7,947 posts)The cheaper the energy, the more waste there will be, because the more waste there can be.
99th_Monkey
(19,326 posts)in class-action lawsuits against Monsanto.