Rand Paul will FAIL, and America will WIN!

[MannyGoldstein]

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I like John Brennan. It takes a tough man to refuse to call waterboarding torture when so many on the Moonbat Left are whining about "human rights" and other impractical crap.

That's why I'm so upset that Rand Paul is filibustering this humble and decent man, on the pretense that executing Americans any time and any place is NOT the President's perogative.

Last time I checked, a President who can kill at will with zero accountability was a hallmark of the individual freedoms we cherish so dearly. Only by giving up our civil liberties can we have our civil liberties, of course. As every child learns in school:

War is peace.
Freedom is slavery.
Ignorance is strength.

Even worse, some so-called Democrats *agree* with Paul on this! Agreeing with a crazy Republican on anything, ever, is betrayal! These traitors are nothing but Rand Paul enablers, they disgust me. Just like those so-called Democrats who agreed with Paul's father that we shouldn't invade Iraq. Disgusting, all of them. I happen to know many elected Democrats who voted to attack Saddam JUST because the elder Paul was against it. All Democrats should learn from their courageous commitment.

Regards,

Third-Way Manny

[Comrade_McKenzie]

1. Go kiss Rand Paul's ass on a "FREEDOM AND LIBERTY" forum and spare us your "strength." nt

[BlueCaliDem]

15. + 1000

I'm tired of the Libertarians infiltrating DU. Don't they have a forum of their own to spew their gall?

[still_one]

31. Actually manny is a pretty true liberal. The post is obvious

Scarcasm

It is a fair subject to debate

I believe the patriot act and fisa courts might allow such a thing without due process

A little surprised this ha not been brought before the supreme court

[BlueCaliDem]

61. Not how I see him.

I believe Manny is a Leftist, which is only partly liberal. Leftists voted, en masse, for the likes of Gary Johnson and Jill-whatever-her-name is. This would have resulted in a win for Mittney, and it would NOT have rang in Liberal policies. In fact, a Mittney presidency would have undone everything President Obama has been able to get through.

I've read his posts, too. And by the way, Manny's been around long enough to know how to access the icon, and it's missing from his post. I can only conclude that he knows some people will see his post as and defend him while he actually meant every word. Clever strategy.

[demwing]

85. Thanks BlueCaliDem, for defining what a Liberal is

apparently, it all boils down to whether a person needs pictures to identify sarcasm.

Those who don't are clever, leftist strategists, plotting to undermine Obama. Those who do are as thick as a brick, but politically pure.

Well done.

No, there is no sarcasm tag here...

[BlueCaliDem]

104. Thanks Demwing for defining what a

bullshit, kneejerk response is by presenting one as an example.

And no, there is no sarcasm here, either.

[demwing]

106. You're Welcome!

I'm all about adding value to your day

[pmorlan1]

95. lol

I think on this one you can safely conclude it's sarcasm.

[BlueCaliDem]

105. Yeah.

Sure you would.

[rhett o rick]

70. We dont want them brought before THIS kangaroo excuse of a court. Move to impeach Scalia. nm

[WilliamPitt]

71. *sigh*

Once again, good satire falls flat on DU.

[frylock]

23. why not embrace republicans if we're so willing to embrace their policies?

don't hate the player, hate the game!

[Bonobo]

30. Dude, obviously that person thinks they look better in blue rather than red.

Gotta keep your priorities straight.

[fascisthunter]

40. well said!

sanity

[TommyCelt]

65. DU=Preaching to the choir <nm>

And you guys call religious folks "sheeple"...

[nadinbrzezinski]

91. Obvious the sarcasm was missed

And this must have hit a nerve

[leftstreet]

2. Where do we apply for an increase in Chocolate Rations?

DURec

[denem]

58. A vote down the memory hole is in order ...

The 'Democrat' vote fell from 48% to 51%.

[ProSense]

3. "Wyden said he was satisfied with Attorney General Eric Holder’s response to Paul’s question"

At the same time, Wyden said he was satisfied with Attorney General Eric Holder’s response to Paul’s question about drone strikes on American soil.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/post-politics/wp/2013/03/06/democratic-sen-ron-wyden-joins-rand-pauls-filibuster/

Rand Paul: I Don’t Think Obama Will Kill Americans

Sen. Rand Paul (R-KY), filibustering John Brennan's nomination to lead the CIA on Wednesday in objection to the Obama administration's policy on targeted drone killing, ceded that President Obama personally was not the issue.

"I frankly don't think he'll be killing people in their homes tonight," Paul said.

At stake, Paul explained, was the prospect of unchecked power afforded to the executive branch if clear rules governing lethal force within the United States are not established.

http://livewire.talkingpointsmemo.com/entry/rand-paul-i-dont-think-obama-will-kill

"Rand Paul will FAIL, and America will WIN!"

Because he cares so much for Americans...

Making hundreds of thousands hungry or homeless: 'Brutal' or 'a pittance'?
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022457325

[MannyGoldstein]

12. Exactly! nt

[rpannier]

21. And your link about Paul and the hungry has nothing to do with his post

On this issue Paul is right. The explanation, "I haven't killed anyone yet." is hardly an acceptable answer. I've never blown anyone up with a thermonuclear device so by the logic given to Paul, I should be allowed to have them.
The more important aspect of his question is for later administrations. Are we willing to give this President, or any President the opportunity to use this against Americans? The answer is no. That should have been the President's answer.

[ProSense]

22. Actually,

"On this issue Paul is right. "

...Rand Paul is full of shit: http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022469873

Still, I understand how he dazzles with his bullshit straw men and demagoguery.

[MannyGoldstein]

33. You bet! Pot smokers?

Lock their Aqua-Buddha asses up. Especially the medical marijuana crowd.

[ProSense]

34. What next

"Lock their Aqua-Buddha asses up. Especially the medical marijuana crowd."

...Paul 2016?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022470090

[MannyGoldstein]

57. Right on!

Anyone who agrees with anything that Paul says must want Paul for President.

[nadinbrzezinski]

92. She told me yesterday I am, and should move to KY

My party right or wrong really gets old, we both n know that

[golfguru]

102. +10

[Fantastic Anarchist]

96. Talk about your straw man.

[babylonsister]

48. I'm glad Wyden is there. We do need clarification.

He's on Rachel now, so it's becoming clearer to me. And Thanks, ProSense, for posting links and clarity when I so miss it sometimes!

[99Forever]

4. I see what you did there!

[annabanana]

5. sad little kick. . .n/t

[n2doc]

6. Republicans are always wrong and Obama is always right

That's the story I'm sticking too...makes life simple.

[Malik Agar]

16. What if

republicans agree with Obama?

MIND = BLOWN

[limpyhobbler]

17. LOL That happens alot. nt

[n2doc]

19. Does not compute

[uppityperson]

20. When has that happened?

[cyberswede]

36. Even if they agree...they have to say they don't, to appease their base...

and who cares if it fucks over US citizens? Republicans are craven assholes.

[roxy1234]

37. LMAO

Repeal them. Awesome

[JVS]

25. Yeah, but you're being facetious.

[OnyxCollie]

60. Nuance is scary.

Black & white dichotomies are good.

"Joe, I don't do nuance." --George W. Bush to Sen. Joseph Biden, as quoted in Time, Feb. 15, 2004

[IrishAyes]

97. Noooo....

Republicans are indeed always wrong, but President Obama is only right when he disagrees with them. He is never right when and if he agrees with them. They are never right unless they agree with him/us.

See how that works? Simple.

You're welcome.

[SidDithers]

7. Third Party Manny strikes again...nt

Sid

[ananda]

28. Biffboompah!

Woot!

[limpyhobbler]

8. Oh crap a filibuster? Good. I'm glad somebody is doing it. Democrats should join and block Brennan.

[cali]

9. You need a new routine.

You're writing the same post over and over and over again.

[msongs]

10. and likely will continue to do so until the reason for doing so stops.... nt

[Bluenorthwest]

11. The purpose of playing is and was to hold the mirror, as 'twere, up to nature.

nt

[Bonobo]

32. Nah, you don't fuck with the classics. I say keep it.

Do you say that the Marx Brothers needs a new routine?

[jazzimov]

45. His attempt at "satire" would be more effective

if there were a ring of truth to it. Or, at least, if there was some real "satire" there.

So, I agree with you - he REALLY needs to get a new act!

[Cali_Democrat]

13. LOL

[jsr]

14. By George (W), you've got it!

Finally.

[shaayecanaan]

18. And who are you to argue with the Nobel Peace Prize Committee?

I tell all my children that if they act good and eat all their greens, then one day they too can sit in front on a joystick in Maryland and kill Afghans at a wedding party, just like Obama does.

[Jennicut]

24. The Pauls are libertarian leaning Republicans.

This is not any surprise. They are usually somewhat reasonable on issues of foreign policy. It's the domestic issues that they are scary on. They pretty much want to spend money on nothing. Zilch. Most liberals understand this about libertarians. Libertarians suck, just not as badly as conservatives. At least they want to let you smoke marijuana.

Liberals and libertarians may agree on some things. This is not a newsflash.

[Vanje]

26. I love you, MannyGoldstein

That is all.

[rhett o rick]

76. Which Manny do you love, if I may be so bold? nm

[cthulu2016]

27. Jim agrees with Rand Paul about something. Rand Paul is a white supremacist.

Thus Jim is a white supremacist.

If DU has taught me anything, it is the awesome power of the invalid syllogism.

[WillyT]

29. LOL !!! - Perfect !!! - K & R !!!

[forestpath]

35. Waterboarding is a kinder, gentler form of torture under Obama!!!!1!1

[Onlooker]

38. Paul is a racist pinhead.

Holder says that an extraordinary situation, such as a Pearl Harbor or 9/11 could require the use of a drone strike. I suppose that's true. After all, Bush shut down all air transport immediately after 9/11, and I believe I read was prepared to shoot down a plane with American citizens if necessary. In a bizarre situation, the President can do what it takes to protect the nation. If terrorists took over a passenger plane and were flying it into a nuclear power plant, would we deny the president the right to take drastic action? Of course not. If the president used drone strikes willy-nilly against Americans at home, I have no doubt he would face severe consequences.

But, what can one expect from a racist pinhead like Paul, other than posturing and grandstanding to try to get some attention?

[TheKentuckian]

46. No one needs to codify a situation like you outline, it is a super rare and highly isolated scenario

No need to hedge or write any memos or any such thing after almost 250 years.

There is a program in play, with a whole lot broader net than anybody is wanting to fess to.

It seems most prudent with civil liberties to say no never and deal with a truly exceptional situation with pardons.
That is part of what it is there for, to deal with situations beyond the law and system. You don't build a major framework for actual near never exceptions.

[proverbialwisdom]

68. Terrific points, thanks!

[TheKentuckian]

99. Of course

[roxy1234]

39. For second I thought some idiot

had invaded DU then I realized it was Manny third way on the keyboard. Well played

[fascisthunter]

43. ooops, got me

well played, well played indeed.

[fascisthunter]

41. ha ha ha.... well done!

[Autumn]

42. Just when I think you can't top that. You top it.

K/R

[KoKo]

44. Hey...good to see ya' back 3rd Way Manny! Ain't that Rand Paul

setting himself up to take that BIG TUMBLE. John Brennan RULES!

What kind of little Pissant like Rand Paul could think his blathering Fake Filibuster with that idiot Democrat Ron Wyden (that no one likes) could bring down a MACHO MAN guy like Brennan who likes to Kill so much that it bleeds out of him like the sweat on his brow during those hearings.

Stupid F**kers... Grandstanding Idiots!

Thanks for the TRUTH...3rd Way! You know how it ROLLS!

[jazzimov]

47. Why do I always get the impression

that you are attacking the WRONG party?

No, the Democratic Party is not "perfect", no party ever will be. But your constant denigration of them makes me suspect of your own motives.

Perhaps your "followers" should start your own Party, since you seem so unwilling to "compromise".

Meanwhile, please remember that the name of this site is Democratic Underground. And, if you actually bother to read the Terms of Service, we support the DEMOCRATIC Party.

It's ok to criticize the DEM Party here, but if you are looking for converts to a different party - you need to go somewhere else.

[ljm2002]

100. You've been here 3 whole months...

...and yet you feel free to lecture 3rd Way Manny on what we are allowed to post here on DU???

[DonCoquixote]

49. I am a true libertarian hater

And I have no illusions abotu Rand's motives. Not only does he want to leapfrog ahead of Rubio, he wants to appeals to the same mouth breathing, Tea Party Scum that got him in.

Now, that still does not mean that he cannot be the proverbial busted clock that is right twice a day. In this case, Obama has let the clock run to midnight, because we cannot let the sort of crap brennan did stay in play, even if...yes ESPECIALLY if a president Hillary or Joe is in, because the pressure will be there to be tough on terrorism as a means of being a leftist (in other words, to throw red meat to the AIPAC and MIC types.)

[IrishAyes]

98. Libertarians

... as I love to repeat, are nothing more than sociopathic anarchists dressed in evening clothes. Talk about 'NewSpeak'!

[colbertforpresident]

50. Paul May Be A Racist Pinhead

But he is right on this issue. Are we nothing more than just anti republicans here at DU?

[blackspade]

51. Paul is a horror as a senator....

But on this he is not wrong.
The sun smiles on a dog's ass occasionally.

Indefinite detentions, drone strikes, NDAA.
All of these things are happening under a Democratic president.
That is a terrible precedent.
What in the world will happen if a rethug gets elected?

[Safetykitten]

52. Huzzah for our side! I salute our telescreen of truth!

[truth2power]

53. Thank you, Manny, for having the courage to speak out when you see a WRONG being committed...

Some things are just wrong, and one doesn't make exceptions if it happens to be one's friend who is the perpetrator.

[woo me with science]

54. Doubleplusgood!

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K&R

Thank you, Manny.

[woo me with science]

55. Kick

[Demo_Chris]

56. nicely done :)

[AtheistCrusader]

59. Waterboarding? It's just a little water in the face, what's the big deal?

(:sarcasm

[whatchamacallit]

62. Same old game

Kill the messenger. Luckily for those who don't want the discomfort of the president being challenged, the messenger is an asshat POS. So fuck Rand Paul, and let the missiles fly!

[Autumn]

64. Yes, let them fly and may Rand Paul bend over to pluck pennies from the eyes

of a corpse at the most perfect time.

[Scuba]

63. Better than ever. Thanks, Manny.

[olddots]

66. thanks again Manny

you have cense of humor , irony and reality that makes my day .Plus you make me think so hard my stomach aches .

[ProSense]

67. Paul acknowledged that US drone strikes have proven effective...

Paul acknowledged that US drone strikes have proven effective in places like Pakistan and Yemen, including a strike on US-born radical preacher Anwar al-Awlaki, whom Paul branded a traitor.

But "if you're going to kill non-combatants, people eating dinner, in America, there have to be some rules," he added.

http://www.alternet.org/progressive-wire/senators-filibuster-cia-pick-ends-after-12-hrs

Rand Paul supports "swift drone action" based on a "reasonable suspicion" of an "imminent danger"
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022472789

People who laud Paul should get to know him.

[xtraxritical]

69. I don't know wtf you're talking about. Very convoluted bs.

[WilliamPitt]

72. Does it ever freak you out how poorly good satire tends to fare on DU?

Gadzooks, you're about to get run out of town on a rail.

*sigh*

[rhett o rick]

77. What's funny (weird funny) is that both Manny's are disparaged here.

And I never know whether to rec. The Third Way Manny's posts or not.

[MannyGoldstein]

80. Telegraphing satire has become a very difficult job these days

as things get weirder and weirder. But as Hunter Thompson said, "When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro". Which I think means that we need to work harder. Or something.

[DemocratsForProgress]

81. If you could point to

some good satire, that would be helpful. TIA.

[xtraxritical]

83. Yes, please do. I did'nt think the post was good at all.

[blkmusclmachine]

74. .

[bluedigger]

75. Sorry, Manny, but you fell through the looking glass with this one.

The enemy of my enemy doesn't have to be my friend, and I don't have to give them a handjob just because we're on the bus together.

[Babel_17]

78. David Sirota at Salon talks about this

http://www.salon.com/2013/03/07/liberals_should_proudly_cheer_on_rand_paul/

His point about hypocrisy is an obvious one but needs to be made imo. At a minimum we need to be talking about this and Paul's speech should have been unnecessary and superfluous.

Sadly, imo, his speech was not superfluous.

I knew we were in trouble when the Attorney General was more or less told in public who he wouldn't be going after in regards The Iraq War, Torture, etc.

"Look forward, not back", that seems to be an ongoing meme.

[lunasun]

79. Goodspeak! (or crimethink?)

None are more hopelessly enslaved than those who falsely believe they are free.

[LanternWaste]

82. too trivialize the positions of anyone who disagrees with me...

I too trivialize the positions of anyone who disagrees with me and pretend it's satire to better validate my self-identity when I stand shoulder to shoulder with a libertarian.

[MisterP]

84. iron bipartisanship consensus via ultra-partisanship? works for them!

[demwing]

86. Really don't mind if you sit this one out

My words but a whisper, your deafness a shout
I may make you feel but I can't make you think
Your sperm's in the gutter, your love's in the sink

So you ride yourselves over the fields
And you make all your animal deals
And your wise men don't know how it feels
To be thick as a brick

[MannyGoldstein]

87. I saw Jethro Tull play a few decades ago

Madison Square Garden. Good stuff. UK opened up for them, IIRC.

[warrprayer]

88. Rachel Maddow

backed Paul's filibuster on her show, though she said he was an imperfect messanger. She also said she was flooded with hate mail.

[MannyGoldstein]

89. Holy Crap! Maddow is dead to me.

Perhaps you can post an OP about her defection from our party? DUers need to know that she now sleeps with Karl Rove.

Regards,

Third-Way Manny

[warrprayer]

90. LOL

I'll send out the alarm, Third Way Manny!

[nadinbrzezinski]

93. Add Robinson and tweety

[ProSense]

103. With all due respect to Maddow and others:

Fuck Rand Paul.

Holder responded appropriately in his first letter. This entire episode was a fundraising stunt: http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022475057

This is worse than Benghazigate. It's more like Paul's Turkey straw man.

Video: http://www.nbcnews.com/id/26315908/ns/msnbc-rachel_maddow_show/#50829264

Rachel Maddow Annihilates the Paranoid Delusions of Rand Paul
http://www.politicususa.com/rachel-maddow-annihilates-paranoid-delusions-rand-paul.html

Paul might have well asked if the President believe he can invade Texas.

Rand Paul: "If the President is not going to kill them, why won't he say he's not going to kill"
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022470090

Rand Paul supports "swift drone action" based on a "reasonable suspicion" of an "imminent danger"
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022472789

Have you heard:

Breaking: Attorney General - Obama Can't Order Drone Attack On Americans On US Soil
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022473840

[pmorlan1]

94. LOL

Good one.

[Douglas Carpenter]

101. Amen! As one of the great political thinkers of our age once said: