"Conservatives Are Now Flipping Out At John McCain And Lindsay Graham"

[applegrove]

Conservatives Are Now Flipping Out At John McCain And Lindsay Graham

by Brett LoGiurato and Grace Wyler at Business Insider

http://www.businessinsider.com/mccain-and-graham-rand-paul-drones-obama-2013-3?nr_email_referer=1&utm_source=Triggermail&utm_medium=email&utm_term=Business%20Insider%20Select&utm_campaign=Business%20Insider%20Select%202013-03-07&utm_content=emailshare

"SNIP..........................................................


Just hours after Sens. John McCain (R-Ariz.) and Lindsey Graham (R-S.C.) slammed Sen. Rand Paul on the Senate floor, conservatives are turning on the Republican Party's "old bulls."

In a floor speech this morning, McCain accused Paul of using the filibuster to "fire up impressionable libertarian kids." Graham claimed Paul was ignoring national security threats, using a ludicrous chart to illustrate his point,

"It was embarrassing," a senior Republican Senate aide told Business Insider. "It definitely looked like two guys whose time has passed. They are behind history, and they are the only people in the room who don't know it yet."

By Thursday afternoon, conservative grassroots group FreedomWorks was already asking supporters to sign a petition demanding McCain apologize to Paul.

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[xoom]

1. Haha!!

[southern_belle]

2. hehe

[GoCubsGo]

3. Too funny!

I wish they'd just all put each other out of their misery already.

[JaneyVee]

4. The party of civil war re-enactors is having a civil war.

[Cha]

23. That's pretty good, Janey!

[lastlib]

5. Well, I gotta say it......

I've been flipping off McCain and Graham for a LO-O-O-O-ONG time!






(Oh, "flipping OUT......" Never mind..... )

[nolabear]

6. ...

[Old and In the Way]

7. I can't stand Paul, McCain, or Graham.

It sucks when you can't give a shit which side to cheer for.

[BobTheSubgenius]

12. No one in the right mind can...

...but any dissension in their ranks is good enough for me. Who cares which of any of them is rig...uhhh....fractionally less wrong?

[A Simple Game]

40. Who cares which one is right? I do! If you support the use of drones against

American citizens perhaps you are on the wrong web site. At least this used to be a left leaning site.

Myself, I don't support the use of drones, period! Like him or not, and I don't like him, Paul is right on this issue.

[PatrynXX]

67. Don't like him but...

1. it was his right 2. a Republican doing an actual filibuster?? 3. when it finally came up that Holder did a fart and thought using drones in the USA is a good idea it was one fart too many. Thus he made Rand Paul look good.

[icnorth]

36. In a conflict of emotions

such as this you cheer for all of them.

[babylonsister]

8. Yippee!!

"It definitely looked like two guys whose time has passed. They are behind history, and they are the only people in the room who don't know it yet."




I don't know who's nuttier, them or them?

[Cha]

22. Who knew it would be the republicons who finally

discredited Lindsey and McCain?

I still wonder why they did that.. what's their angle?

Wanna bet mccain and/or lindsey will be on the Sunday shows?

[hibbing]

28. I would not take that bet

Hey,
Of course McCain will be on them, he is on one every week. I am so sick of him, he needs to just go away, but the corporate media loves him.

Peace

[greiner3]

39. "...what's their angle?"

This is one more step in the Koch brothers' ability to name a 'king' (dictator?) of their choosing via their Super Pac.

[pscot]

9. McCain's Army

[TheProgressive]

10. Because... they are boyfriend and boyfriend?

[chollybocker]

11. "...conservative grassroots group FreedomWorks..."

Wait, wut?

If McCain and Graham don't fall in line with their TeaBircher masters, they won't get invited to the Sunday morning propaganda shows. What a shame that would be.

[ThoughtCriminal]

13. Conservatives are divided

On whether they love Drones more than the hate the President.

[The Green Manalishi]

54. Losing parties, particularly parties that lost the last 2 POTUS elections

usually engage in some pretty 'violent introspection'.

We saw the same thing here after 2004. It's been going on for possibly as long as recorded history, where do you compromise with the other faction and where do fight? True Believers vs the 'you have to win the damn election to be able to do ANYTHING crowd. Dems, Reps, Whigs, Labour.... hell the Peloponnesian War.....

it's easy to gloss over differences between the two sides when you are winning, but a few serious losses can set the moderate and pragmatist wing of a party, "We lost because the Fanatics alienated the masses in the middle ground" against the "We lost because we weren't pure enough'. Different issues, centuries and paradigms, same crap

And, yes, a wise advasary encourages and takes full advantage of such. Splitting off the Tea Party into a legitimate party would be Luke Skywalker hitting the crucial point on the Death Star

[Kali]

26. suggest you self delete this

not acceptable

[dsc]

27. actually it barely was

I alerted and got a 4-2 vote. So believe it or not, it was one vote away from being perfectly fine with a jury. Nothing short of amazing.

[Rhiannon12866]

32. I totally agree. I was on the jury.

Last edited Sat Mar 9, 2013, 04:30 AM - Edit history (1)

I was #5.

[dsc]

46. He got tombstoned

even though I forgot to check tos one of the jurors was on MIRT. thanks for your vote to hide.

[Rhiannon12866]

56. You're more than welcome

I'm also on MIRT, so I brought it up with the others.

[Left Coast2020]

15. Put em in a ring and let them beat the snot out of each other

Then rMoney can jump in and beat up the winner...or visa versa..



I pray that repugs will do and say really stupid things for the next 2 years. Plaaeeezeeeeee!

[Jackpine Radical]

41. May I modestly propose

a hand grenade duel?

The more wingnuts the merrier.

[gulliver]

16. "McCain and Graham are loose cannons," said the angry Republicans

"They should both apologize to Rand Paul. Rand is a bedrock of mental stability in our party."

[Capt13]

19. Yep,

That pretty well sums it up

[Cha]

21. Brwawawaaaa

Exactly why they're in deep shit.

[tex-wyo-dem]

24. oh, delicious irony! :)

If nothing else, the RW is certainly masterful (and entertaining) in their theatre.

The lock-step machine that characterized the rethugs for so long seems to be coming apart at the seams.

[hue]

17. awesome!!

[Dawson Leery]

18. Excellent!

[Cha]

20. So does this discredit Lindsey and McCain on

Benghazi?

Will McCain "apologize" to Rand?

Will Rand take back his Hitler references?

Do majority thing they're all full of bullshit?

thanks applegrove

[TwilightGardener]

25. Who am I supposed to root for, the old washed-up assholes or the

young smarmy douchebags?

[Volaris]

49. drawing the correct conclusion from the wrong premise..

does NOT mean one is doing good Science.
Rand Paul says drones are bad, because he believes they might be used to target those who wish to overthrow the "tyranical" (see duly ELECTED) Government.

All he did was put the Tea Party on stage and show them for the idiots they are ("The Gubmint's commin' fer yer Guns, man&quot . McCain and Graham attempting to paint the Tea Party and the President with the same color ink isn't going to work, either...

The whole lot of them look like fools because of this, and all it does is expose the GOP for the truly LEADERLESS Party they are right now. If there were even a decent party WHIP over there, it never would have happened.

Some of us may have our differences with N. Pelosi on occasion, but at least it didn't look like she was running a goddamned Frat House when she was in charge of the Democratic Caucus.

[SCUBANOW]

29. Wow

This is my first post and all I can think of is WOW.

[aquart]

31. Welcome to DU.

We're full of fun.

[Scuba]

38. Welcome to DU!!

[calimary]

52. Welcome to DU, SCUBANOW!

Glad you're here! It's really great to see, isn't it! Destabilize the enemy! And give them lots of room when they start destabilizing themselves!

[aquart]

30. Well, I'm entertained.

[John2]

33. It looks like

a clash between the Libertarian part of the Party and the neocons. Paul is threatening the Empire.

[aint_no_life_nowhere]

34. "Conservatives Are Now Flipping Out"

could probably be in the title of a dozen news stories each and every week.

[tclambert]

35. It's the Fall of the House of Usher.

The Republican house has broken into two (possibly three) pieces where only corpses remain.

[Rain Mcloud]

37. Cat Fight!

Meow!

[DonB]

42. you all missed the fact that

Brett LoGiurato and Grace Wyler at Business Insider were able the help characterize the fascist, right wing, teabaggin AstroTurf group freedomworks as a "conservative grassroots group".

The use of the drone program in the US is a side show by one libercarelessian idiot when compared to the insidious "patriot act" and the efforts of the koch brothers and other billionaires to undermine whatever pretense of democracy we have had in this country.

[heather blossom]

43. Sunday Shows

Does that mean that these 2 over the hill clowns will not be on the Sunday talk shows any more?

[Madmiddle]

44. These are amazing republicans

SAID NO ONE EVER!!!

[papa3times]

45. I heard the paragon of civility and reason-Laura Ingraham-

berate them for being total idiots. Consider the source of the criticism and it takes most of the sting out of it! She brought up the idea that Graham would probably be primaried. My God!, if Graham is not conservative enough for them maybe they should bring Dick Cheney back from the dead to run. What's that? Oh, my bad Cheney is not officially dead yet.

[customerserviceguy]

47. I can see Paul going to SC

for two reasons, the 2016 primary and picking someone to primary Goober Graham. It's likely to work in the latter situation.

[Skip Intro]

53. Agreed. A Paul-backed primary challenger would end Graham.

I think the party would back Graham, but I think a strong challenger backed by Paul would win despite that.

[99th_Monkey]

48. The really sad thing about Paul's filibuster

is that it illustrates how wholesale the entire Democratic Party has
swung to the far right on civil liberty related issues. It takes a fucking
LIBERTARIAN anymore, to get outraged at the sinister over-reach of
draconian 100% saturation surveillance, kill lists, endless drone wars
that create far more new "terrorists" than they eliminate.

My own US Senator Ron Wyden (D-Or) was I think the ONLY Democrat
to stand in support of Sen. Paul's filibuster.

[great white snark]

51. What's sad is the support for a paranoid driven publicity stunt of a "fillibuster"

Fuck him and the company he keeps.

[99th_Monkey]

55. Your vapid indignation is duly noted.

Even a broken clock is right twice a day, and Sen. Paul was that
clock. Why is it so painful to admit when a non-Democrat is right
about something. That seems disingenuous to me.

Also, your silly insinuation that I'm some big fan of either Rand or Ron
Paul is conspicuously misplaced speculation, or projection perhaps, but
it ain't me babe.

FYI - I agree with Paul's on the marijuana issues too, but that's about
the extent of my agreements with their Libertarian platform.

[Drunken Irishman]

57. Because he doesn't give two shits about it.

Only the easily fooled are being fooled by Paul's filibuster. He doesn't care. The fact so many liberals have been fooled into buying it - supporting what he's doing...by dismissing it as 'a broken clock is right twice a day' is completely laughable. They're being played and they don't even see to realize it ... or they do and they don't care.

[great white snark]

60. Thanks DI.

You are correct (as usual).

Paul got exactly what he wanted-he'll be the media's darling for a few weeks.

[99th_Monkey]

61. "fooled in to buying it" <--hardly

I grant that it was a very embarrassing day for every Democrat in DC,
except for Sen Ron Wyden (OR) who stood with Rand Paul's filibuster.

Dems were put in the awkward position of having to oppose a WH
nominee by raising civil liberties questions re: Brennan's nomination,
or pretending they simply don't care that the Bush Crime Family bag-
man Brennan is being now promoted to run the CIA on their watch.

Do you also take Sen Ron Wyden to be a "fool" for agreeing it may be a
good thing to press for answers around civil liberties questions raised
by Brennan's nomination? Sen. Wyden made me proud to be an Oregonian.

It is simply stunning to me how indignant and outraged some on DU
become, at the mere suggestion that A LIBERTARIAN (eeek!!) got one
thing right, civil liberties be damned.

Face it: the Democrats in this instance are on the wrong side of history,
by allowing Brennan's nomination to move forward, all the while seeming not
to notice that someone who should be in prison for war crimes is instead
being foisted upon the nation as their CIA chief. Unbelievable, except
that this IS what's happening, sadly.

[Drunken Irishman]

62. You're right. It's woefully stunning.

I'll give you that. It's absolutely stunning liberals would openly be used by Rand Paul. I thought some of you were smarter than that. You're not. It's weird. But it's okay, because, in the end, you're a small minority and, as we've seen, no one really cares. Brennan got confirmed and we've mostly moved on.

What's funny is that you say Democrats have moved so far right on civil liberties and frankly, I can't remember a time, especially when it came to national security, where liberals and Democrats were as passive as so many naive liberals here on DU. It certainly wasn't FDR during WWII - he fucking threw Japanese-Americas in internment camps, or Kennedy and LBJ in Cuba and Vietnam ... or even Jimmy Carter and all his covert action in Iran. Face it, your whole point is a sham because it never existed in the first place. Presidents realize, sometimes, whether you accept it or not, that national security often puts the country in a difficult spot.

So, don't pretend Obama is this reactionist asshole who pulled back a generation of liberal bullshit. It's a lie.

[99th_Monkey]

63. "Obama is this reactionist asshole" <-- YOUR words, not mine.

They just don't fit in my mouth at all, but they appear to roll all-too easily off
your tongue in the form of some bizarre accusation that I'm an Obama-hater.



I voted for Obama twice, and probably would again, given the even worse choices
available in our sorry ass so-called democracy.

I imagine Obama is doing what he must do, "under the circumstances" i.e. given
the Hobbesian choices our Corporate OverLords are handing to him from behind
the curtain.

One thing I'm NOT going to do with Obama, is use him as an excuse to "buy into"
shredding the constitution (see NDAA), arbitrary "indefinite detention" without
charges, trial or an attorney, kill lists of suspected "terrorists". That's just not
my cup of tea.

Apparently you don't agree with that assessment, so good luck with that, down
the line, when the next Bush is elected President.

[Drunken Irishman]

65. lol

How long are we going to use the NDAA bogeyman before it loses its bluster? He signed that into law when and how dramatic has your rights changed? Speaking of things that roll off the tongue of those who seem to complain the most about Obama...

[99th_Monkey]

66. I'm glad we're both having a good laugh.

Thanks for playing, but I have to run.

There are some weird suits in sunglasses banging on my door.

[EC]

50. That's too bad...

actually I was kinda happy to hear Lindsey Graham on the floor asking why they were behaving like that with Obama as President but didn't raise one word about it with Bush. I was hoping maybe some of the other Senators would back them up on this and start acting with a little respect to our President.

[SemperEadem]

58. good luck with that one, skippy...

[B Calm]

59. The GOP is disengaging right in front of our eyes.

How sweet it is!

[lpbk2713]

64. I love the beautiful irony

Back during the '08 Primary season OxyRush launched his Operation Chaos.
It was a dismal and resounding failure. The beautiful irony here is ... ever since
that time the GOP has been in a perpetual state of chaos. I LOVE IT.

[spanone]

68. cruz and ryan are the scary future of the thug party

[Deep13]

69. Go get 'em, teabillies!