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Starry Messenger

(32,342 posts)
Sat Mar 9, 2013, 12:34 AM Mar 2013

School textbook defines ‘hippies’ as followers of rock stars who may have worshipped Satan

If someone already posted this, I apologize. It just seemed "Made for DU".

http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/sideshow/hippies-satan-worship-school-history-book-201334876.html



A school participating in Louisiana Gov. Bobby Jindal's controversial voucher program is apparently using a history book that teaches its eighth-grade students that "hippies" were dirty followers of Satan-worshipping rock musicians.

The textbook, “America: Land I Love," includes a section on the counterculture movement of the 1960s.

Here's a paragraph taken from that section, which was published Wednesday by AmericaBlog.com:


Many young people turned to drugs and immoral lifestyles; these youth became known as hippies. They went without bathing, wore dirty, ragged, unconventional clothing, and deliberately broke all codes of politeness or manners. Rock music played an important part in the hippie movement and had great influence over the hippies. Many of the rock musicians they followed belonged to Eastern religious cults or practiced Satan worship.

It's not clear which school is using the aforementioned textbook. John Aravosis, who published the text on AmericaBlog, said the source was "a friend" who sent him a photo of the section.

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School textbook defines ‘hippies’ as followers of rock stars who may have worshipped Satan (Original Post) Starry Messenger Mar 2013 OP
Far out, Man! Far out! longship Mar 2013 #1
Oh no...that's a bummer man. FarPoint Mar 2013 #28
Freaky! L0oniX Mar 2013 #61
FART, man... That's short for Far Out, according to... reACTIONary Mar 2013 #93
I learned everything I needed to know about hippies from South Park. Peter cotton Mar 2013 #2
As if South Park had even the tiniest clue about anything but masturbation. Luminous Animal Mar 2013 #14
Ma'am, I need to check out your house. I think you've got an infestation of hippies. n/t backscatter712 Mar 2013 #65
"We need to upload this Slayer CD." MrSlayer Mar 2013 #102
They loved Hendrix, Cream, The Stones, Led Zeppelin ... napkinz Mar 2013 #144
This should not surprise anybody nadinbrzezinski Mar 2013 #3
and no doubt outsourced it to China by the looks of it glinda Mar 2013 #4
Wow, I had no idea! I must have fucked up because I took a shower every day OffWithTheirHeads Mar 2013 #5
Maybe I'm just getting old Mz Pip Mar 2013 #6
Dave van Ronk. Bigtime Satanist. JVS Mar 2013 #9
van Ronk was arrested and beaten at Stonewall, some people don't know that Bluenorthwest Mar 2013 #33
I was not aware of that. JVS Mar 2013 #34
Me either. Mz Pip Mar 2013 #62
Yeah. My impression of him was that he was big with the crowd that would... JVS Mar 2013 #73
I wonder who'd they'd cast? Ken Burch Mar 2013 #114
"Possibly" or "loosely based on" are what I've read progressoid Mar 2013 #141
I think they're probably referring to The Beatles HoneychildMooseMoss Mar 2013 #21
The Beatles and Maharishi would fall under "Eastern religious cults"... JVS Mar 2013 #35
Ironic that the Beatles were also condemned by the Soviets thucythucy Mar 2013 #37
The Beatles also had Aleister Crowley on the cover of Sgt. Peppers sweetloukillbot Mar 2013 #70
Keep in mind their expansive definition of "Satanism"... JHB Mar 2013 #45
Ahmeddicca ..The Gaddddreat Satan! n/t L0oniX Mar 2013 #63
Nice Donovan quote Monk06 Mar 2013 #66
Beg to differ: Ahmed Dicca is a renowned textile merchant... JHB Mar 2013 #74
Zeppelin and the Stones, for starters fishwax Mar 2013 #92
That's because you were playing the records... reACTIONary Mar 2013 #94
"America: Land that I love. A finger-pointing approach to history" JVS Mar 2013 #7
It's been 10 years and they haven't changed that page at all!? white_wolf Mar 2013 #8
Well, they still use the Bible Starry Messenger Mar 2013 #10
I was smack dab in the Hippie Generation.. and we Cha Mar 2013 #11
Like Norman Greenbaum. Let's see, what was his great satanic hit? Oh yeah - NBachers Mar 2013 #12
. LWolf Mar 2013 #39
One of my favorite songs. RebelOne Mar 2013 #51
That's the kind of crap they taught us in our Southern Baptist church. madfloridian Mar 2013 #13
I was raised Southern Baptist tavalon Mar 2013 #15
It's sad to think of these books being used in schools. Starry Messenger Mar 2013 #23
It was a great memory. A fun time. Elvis in early years. madfloridian Mar 2013 #86
Now that is a great picture! Never seen Elvis... reACTIONary Mar 2013 #96
He really put on a fun performance. madfloridian Mar 2013 #98
Well, of course you know... jmowreader Mar 2013 #109
lol madfloridian Mar 2013 #110
Omg, how fun! Starry Messenger Mar 2013 #101
It was. He hung around for pictures. madfloridian Mar 2013 #111
Insanely cool, mad! Starry Messenger Mar 2013 #118
Lol! THe sermons were much the same in the 70s OriginalGeek Mar 2013 #138
Catholics weren't teaching it, but you'd hear Catholic LAY leaders say shit like that. There were patrice Mar 2013 #130
It made it's way into our little town in Iowa too. progressoid Mar 2013 #142
How does Ted Nugent fit in? TexasTowelie Mar 2013 #16
Damn you! nikto Mar 2013 #17
Here, maybe this will make you feel better. TexasTowelie Mar 2013 #19
Not exactly a musican anymore Mopar151 Mar 2013 #50
You're generously implying that Ted ever was actually a musician. Bake Mar 2013 #56
As "legit" as a lot out there... Mopar151 Mar 2013 #75
Which is to say, not very legit. Bake Mar 2013 #80
Hey, the solo in "Journey To The Center Of The Mind" was pretty cool, actually... nikto Mar 2013 #87
Wait ... that was the Moody Blues, wasn't it? Bake Mar 2013 #88
Amboy Dukes, 1968. n/t bluesbassman Mar 2013 #95
Never was one of my favorites ... Bake Mar 2013 #122
Wasn't mine either. Truth be told... bluesbassman Mar 2013 #123
What ever happened to the Thirteenth Floor Elevators? panader0 Mar 2013 #125
Wow! That certainly is a blast from the past. bluesbassman Mar 2013 #129
He wasn't a hippie. proud2BlibKansan Mar 2013 #89
As I remember... nikto Mar 2013 #18
One of my earlier childhood memories DisgustipatedinCA Mar 2013 #20
I remember my Southern Baptist pastor preaching a sermon against JC Superstar. Bake Mar 2013 #57
They aren't? sagat Mar 2013 #22
Whoever wrote this book has never met metal fans. Initech Mar 2013 #24
Did they mention this ... Scuba Mar 2013 #25
Wing-nuts don't believe in free-love. RudynJack Mar 2013 #26
You're on to something there! Kath1 Mar 2013 #31
Because that's the only way THEY get any ... Bake Mar 2013 #58
Nailed. it. That's the nut of it right there. That's also why a guy named Jesus was killed by his patrice Mar 2013 #127
And Hippies were saying you don't really love if you're not free, which freaked a bunch of peopleout patrice Mar 2013 #131
I just finished reading Magaret Atwood's absolutely brilliant novel "The Handmaid's Tale" for the Zorra Mar 2013 #27
I've read that book about five times, I think. Starry Messenger Mar 2013 #38
Ugh! Kath1 Mar 2013 #29
My parents weren't hippies. HughBeaumont Mar 2013 #30
OMG. For a minute I thought that was me in the picture. graham4anything Mar 2013 #32
What did the hippie have in his bag??? RandiFan1290 Mar 2013 #36
Good ol' Satan worshippers jsr Mar 2013 #40
Oh good lord. PETRUS Mar 2013 #41
I'd be afraid to see it. Starry Messenger Mar 2013 #44
"God used the Trail of Tears to bring many Indians to Christ."—America: Land That I Love, Teacher ed lunasun Mar 2013 #90
Yes. Starry Messenger Mar 2013 #100
Teaching genocide issues in particular as a resort to bring non beleivers closer to Christ lunasun Mar 2013 #116
Another article said the voucher program costs $4 mil in tax money. Starry Messenger Mar 2013 #119
That's hilarious Cal Carpenter Mar 2013 #42
It's like something out of Mad Magazine. Starry Messenger Mar 2013 #46
Maybe the Onion? Cal Carpenter Mar 2013 #47
Did you ever see the Mother Jones report on textbooks in LA voucher schools? Starry Messenger Mar 2013 #48
Wow! I'd seen one or two of those examples Cal Carpenter Mar 2013 #49
Good one. love_katz Mar 2013 #84
"Eastern religious cult" = religions much older than christianity. Manifestor_of_Light Mar 2013 #43
Yay Hippies! MineralMan Mar 2013 #52
I preferred the "freak" label, as did most people I knew at the time riqster Mar 2013 #53
Interesting that you bring this up. Starry Messenger Mar 2013 #55
Fascinating! riqster Mar 2013 #72
and what do they have against satan? i mean, it's in the bible, right? unblock Mar 2013 #54
Oh ...its' Yahoo. n/t L0oniX Mar 2013 #59
ROFL! gollygee Mar 2013 #60
And $4 million taxpayer money supports it. Starry Messenger Mar 2013 #68
How about that book title??? Bake Mar 2013 #64
Hi Bake, it's a good question. Starry Messenger Mar 2013 #69
I'd love to see the one from Bob Jones University Press!! Bake Mar 2013 #71
I'm not it surprised it came from A Beka SpartanDem Mar 2013 #81
Bingo! You win, Bake. love_katz Mar 2013 #82
slaps forehead steve2470 Mar 2013 #67
Michael Savage, back in the day. Shrike47 Mar 2013 #76
and people rode dinosaurs too...this is frightening as hell. teaching children ignorance. spanone Mar 2013 #77
Here's what a Louisiana textbook says about the KKK: LeftInTX Mar 2013 #78
Holy crap gollygee Mar 2013 #83
We need to fight and get rid of this shit. Starry Messenger Mar 2013 #99
Religionists in the state of Texas control the content of school textbooks Trajan Mar 2013 #79
Damn, how did they find out about us? malthaussen Mar 2013 #85
And I haven't changed a bit. no_hypocrisy Mar 2013 #91
THE BUMS WILL ALWAYS LOSE! DO YOU HEAR ME LEBOWSKI??? Initech Mar 2013 #97
Texas texts? aquart Mar 2013 #103
A Beka as someone noted above is a longtime homeschooling program Starry Messenger Mar 2013 #105
Thank you! aquart Mar 2013 #149
Well a hippy crashed my car recently so people can call them what they want as far as I'm concerned. sibelian Mar 2013 #104
Oh sure. Starry Messenger Mar 2013 #106
Well, it sort of depends on the sub-culture. sibelian Mar 2013 #107
Fucking bullshit from the Establishment! Rex Mar 2013 #108
Lots of those hippies are now repukes on the verge of being senior citizens or they already are. nt Raine Mar 2013 #112
Is it just me, or does the frizzy-haired dude in the middle Ken Burch Mar 2013 #113
smoke pot! worship satan! freak out the squares! Phillip McCleod Mar 2013 #115
I was too young to be a part of the original hippie movement Kath1 Mar 2013 #117
I was born in 1970. Starry Messenger Mar 2013 #120
Great story, Starry Messenger! Kath1 Mar 2013 #121
:) Puzzledtraveller Mar 2013 #124
Someone has been working on this meme at least since 1986, when I first heard that we are responsibl patrice Mar 2013 #126
Why does a textbook even have the word "immoral" in it? Skidmore Mar 2013 #128
Another proud moment for Louisiana MountainLaurel Mar 2013 #132
yeah, just play the Beatles backwards! ... napkinz Mar 2013 #133
and how could I forget this one! napkinz Mar 2013 #143
I really doubt that they are rewriting history as much as they are just telling their memories of Douglas Carpenter Mar 2013 #134
I missed out on that classic. Starry Messenger Mar 2013 #139
hey, at 33:14 in the video, the Grateful Dead! napkinz Mar 2013 #140
One of my teachers in 7th grade tried to tell me reflection Mar 2013 #135
They are the priests of the temples... DisgustipatedinCA Mar 2013 #145
It was actually 2112 that set her off. reflection Mar 2013 #146
Poor, miserable woman nikto Mar 2013 #148
Let's compare the Hippies with the tea baggers and see who comes out the better... WCGreen Mar 2013 #136
Oh, Lord, they look good to me. Satan or no satan. jwirr Mar 2013 #137
Soviet historiography. moondust Mar 2013 #147
no. no. they have it all wrong. Satan worship didn't come into play until Black Sabbath man. liberal_at_heart Mar 2013 #150
Yeah, well I got their Satan right here.... cliffordu Mar 2013 #151
The Bullshit begins DonCoquixote Mar 2013 #152
And they are starting to collect Turbineguy Mar 2013 #153

napkinz

(17,199 posts)
144. They loved Hendrix, Cream, The Stones, Led Zeppelin ...
Tue Mar 12, 2013, 12:59 PM
Mar 2013

... as well as Bob Dylan and Joni Mitchell and Joan Baez.

At least that's my reading of history. Just look at all the different kinds of groups that played at the big festivals at that time (Monterey Pop 1967, Woodstock 1969, Altamont 1969, Isle of Wight 1970).

That's real diversity!

I assume they would have given Rap a chance if it had existed in their day.

Though Disco was "a drag." (If I'm using the correct lingo of the time.)





 

OffWithTheirHeads

(10,337 posts)
5. Wow, I had no idea! I must have fucked up because I took a shower every day
Sat Mar 9, 2013, 02:23 AM
Mar 2013

In my Haight Ashberry commune. Seriouslly

Mz Pip

(27,439 posts)
6. Maybe I'm just getting old
Sat Mar 9, 2013, 02:31 AM
Mar 2013

But I can't remember a single Satan worshipping rock group from the 60s and I was pretty into the rock scene back then.

 

Bluenorthwest

(45,319 posts)
33. van Ronk was arrested and beaten at Stonewall, some people don't know that
Sat Mar 9, 2013, 10:11 AM
Mar 2013

He was not gay, he was just there. Cohen Bros are working up a film based on Dave or so I hear.

JVS

(61,935 posts)
34. I was not aware of that.
Sat Mar 9, 2013, 10:15 AM
Mar 2013

My only knowledge of the man comes from the liner notes of an album I found in my parents' record collection. Mom is going to shit when she finds out about this movie.

Mz Pip

(27,439 posts)
62. Me either.
Sat Mar 9, 2013, 02:29 PM
Mar 2013

Never really though of him as part of the Rock scene. He was a folk/blues singer IIRC.

JVS

(61,935 posts)
73. Yeah. My impression of him was that he was big with the crowd that would...
Sat Mar 9, 2013, 04:11 PM
Mar 2013

consider Bob Dylan to be a sold out pop musician. Good album.

 

Ken Burch

(50,254 posts)
114. I wonder who'd they'd cast?
Sun Mar 10, 2013, 03:51 AM
Mar 2013

Can't picture anybody in Hollywood today who could look like Van Ronk except, maybe, Zach Galifanakis(depending on how you shaved him...his face, I mean).

progressoid

(49,978 posts)
141. "Possibly" or "loosely based on" are what I've read
Mon Mar 11, 2013, 04:40 PM
Mar 2013

When Joel and Ethan Coen discussed their films in New York with Noah Baumbach earlier this month, word came out that they are working on a script that is music-related. Now we have the subject of the script: the ’60s folk scene in NYC’s Greenwich Village, possibly with a specific focus on the life of Dave van Ronk, who was a big part of the Village folk scene at a time when Phil Ochs and Bob Dylan were just emerging as new talents.




21. I think they're probably referring to The Beatles
Sat Mar 9, 2013, 04:00 AM
Mar 2013

and their experimentation with Indian religions, like Krishna. To some people, any religion that is not Christian is "Satanist".

JVS

(61,935 posts)
35. The Beatles and Maharishi would fall under "Eastern religious cults"...
Sat Mar 9, 2013, 10:25 AM
Mar 2013

I'm thinking that the Satanism accusation has hippies conflated with (and I have no idea how they would get this confused) fans of acts like Ozzy, Alice Cooper, and various heavy metal bands in the 1970s.

thucythucy

(8,045 posts)
37. Ironic that the Beatles were also condemned by the Soviets
Sat Mar 9, 2013, 10:37 AM
Mar 2013

for being tools of "western decadence" and "perverting" socialist youth. The KGB even tried to infiltrate the Maharishi's ashram to spy on them--as if the whole world wasn't watching their every move!

There's a film on this, "How the Beatles Rocked the Kremlin." It was on PBS a couple of years ago. It features interviews with people who grew up in the Soviet Union in the '60s and '70s and learned to question authority by listening to the Beatles and John Lennon. Beatles records were banned, and a whole kids' underground culture grew up around being a Beatles fan.

As I recall, it ends with a video of Paul McCartney in the '90s performing "Back in the USSR" in Red Square. When he gets to the line about "Moscow girls make me scream and shout" the crowd goes ape.

sweetloukillbot

(11,008 posts)
70. The Beatles also had Aleister Crowley on the cover of Sgt. Peppers
Sat Mar 9, 2013, 02:55 PM
Mar 2013

And Jimmy Page had a fascination with the occult too. That could be where "Satan!!!!!" enters into it...

JHB

(37,158 posts)
45. Keep in mind their expansive definition of "Satanism"...
Sat Mar 9, 2013, 12:36 PM
Mar 2013

...I'm sure they're including Alice Cooper and Blue Oyster Cult in that, and others they lumped together as "Satanic Rock".

Remember, KISS stands for "Knights In Service of Satan"

JHB

(37,158 posts)
74. Beg to differ: Ahmed Dicca is a renowned textile merchant...
Sat Mar 9, 2013, 04:57 PM
Mar 2013

...which makes him the Great Satin.

fishwax

(29,149 posts)
92. Zeppelin and the Stones, for starters
Sat Mar 9, 2013, 10:23 PM
Mar 2013

I'm not saying they actually were, but they are 60s bands that religious righties sometimes claim worshipped Satan. There are all kinds of silly rumors about Led Zeppelin using backmasking to add subliminal satanic messages to their music, and the Stones had songs/albums like Their Satanic Majesties Request and "Sympathy for the Devil."

Some people took those rather literally. I had a supervisor once who believed that the reason the Stones kept touring is because Mick Jagger had literally sold his soul to satan and knew that as soon as he stopped touring he would no longer be of any use, so the devil would take him right off.

reACTIONary

(5,770 posts)
94. That's because you were playing the records...
Sat Mar 9, 2013, 10:48 PM
Mar 2013

...forward! To get the Satanic Message you have to play them BACKWARD!

white_wolf

(6,238 posts)
8. It's been 10 years and they haven't changed that page at all!?
Sat Mar 9, 2013, 02:38 AM
Mar 2013

I read this exact page when I was at my Baptist school in middle school and I swear to to you this is the exact same thing I read back in 2004 or so. I don't remember what grade I was in for sure, but it was in middle school.

Starry Messenger

(32,342 posts)
10. Well, they still use the Bible
Sat Mar 9, 2013, 02:50 AM
Mar 2013

That hasn't changed materially in centuries.

I had science books in Catholic elementary from before the lunar landings, and I went to school in the late 70's and early 80's.

Cha

(297,154 posts)
11. I was smack dab in the Hippie Generation.. and we
Sat Mar 9, 2013, 02:55 AM
Mar 2013

did love our Rock Stars and Love Not War.

Nothing satanic about that. There's evil everywhere in every generation. I'm thinking the Gov's mansion in Louisiana has some evil running around.

madfloridian

(88,117 posts)
13. That's the kind of crap they taught us in our Southern Baptist church.
Sat Mar 9, 2013, 03:14 AM
Mar 2013

They attacked my dad, the chairman of the deacons, when he let me go to see Elvis in the mid-fifties. It was fun, front row, just as he was really becoming famous.

The church leaders hated Elvis, the hippies, and also dancing.

What a fun church. I am still recovering.

tavalon

(27,985 posts)
15. I was raised Southern Baptist
Sat Mar 9, 2013, 03:21 AM
Mar 2013

Have faith. I got better. Heck, I'm a polyamorous pagan, which back in the sixties, was called, I think, a hippie.

Starry Messenger

(32,342 posts)
23. It's sad to think of these books being used in schools.
Sat Mar 9, 2013, 04:29 AM
Mar 2013

I'm sorry your church growing up was so toxic. Seeing a musician perform shouldn't be spiritually controversial.

I'm glad you got to see Elvis! What a great memory!

madfloridian

(88,117 posts)
86. It was a great memory. A fun time. Elvis in early years.
Sat Mar 9, 2013, 07:48 PM
Mar 2013

Last edited Sun Mar 10, 2013, 03:45 AM - Edit history (1)

But the church leaders in the SBC poured on the guilt because we went. There was even a sermon about this new evil music. We ignored it.

He was really leaning out into the crowd, really giving us a show. That is a bunch of us in that corner. Yep, quite a memory. One of his early performances. I can still name most everyone in the group.

The picture was taken by Perkins Photography, and I am sure it is okay to post it with credit.

reACTIONary

(5,770 posts)
96. Now that is a great picture! Never seen Elvis...
Sat Mar 9, 2013, 11:00 PM
Mar 2013

...in an early performance. Only know him from his Las Vegas persona.

madfloridian

(88,117 posts)
98. He really put on a fun performance.
Sat Mar 9, 2013, 11:22 PM
Mar 2013

Very down to earth. The church elders lectured all us young folks about the evils of hip girating and what it could lead to.

jmowreader

(50,554 posts)
109. Well, of course you know...
Sun Mar 10, 2013, 03:21 AM
Mar 2013

that Southern Baptists don't screw standing up because it looks too much like dancing.

Starry Messenger

(32,342 posts)
101. Omg, how fun!
Sun Mar 10, 2013, 12:58 AM
Mar 2013

That really is a treasure. I've seen some seminal shows in my time, mostly influential punk bands, but no one beats The King. I can feel the excitement!

madfloridian

(88,117 posts)
111. It was. He hung around for pictures.
Sun Mar 10, 2013, 03:32 AM
Mar 2013

Here is one with a high school friend. I believe it was from The Ledger photographer.



I was too shy to bother even trying to get one taken.

OriginalGeek

(12,132 posts)
138. Lol! THe sermons were much the same in the 70s
Mon Mar 11, 2013, 03:18 PM
Mar 2013

We had record burning nights and were told that John Denver, Barry Manilow and Juice Newton were all satanic.


Thank god I'm an atheist now.

patrice

(47,992 posts)
130. Catholics weren't teaching it, but you'd hear Catholic LAY leaders say shit like that. There were
Mon Mar 11, 2013, 02:34 PM
Mar 2013

also those who liked to rave on about the evil in the music, all of that base and those drums are a call to group sex.

Funny, they're kind of right but wrong about exactly HOW they're right (the way lots of us are, btw). The sex in all of it really was/is sex, but hippies were busy learning (somewhat imperfectly) how to bless sex, many missed the mark, but many also grew to be the ones who learned that free love manifests itself in the way that is specifically relevant to the persons living the truth of it as honestly as they could in their relationships and, of course, we noticed that that didn't mean sex with everyone. Even though they were definitely minorities, there really were some genuinely good effects of freelove amongst the liberals and intellectual libertarians of those times, which effects included things like: divorce doesn't have to be about hate and anger; children shouldn't be programmed to marry at all costs; masturbation is not evil; women's sexual desires are as much of a priority as men's; bearing children should be a conscious choice; women have something to contribute to "us" AS women . . . .

And we didn't get ALL of that out of the Karma Sutra he, he . . .

progressoid

(49,978 posts)
142. It made it's way into our little town in Iowa too.
Mon Mar 11, 2013, 04:43 PM
Mar 2013

When they told us that Pink Floyd was Satan's music, I immediately bought a copy of Dark Side of the Moon!

Bake

(21,977 posts)
56. You're generously implying that Ted ever was actually a musician.
Sat Mar 9, 2013, 02:22 PM
Mar 2013

Fourth-rate guitarist at best. Basically just a one-hit hack who learned a couple of riffs. Put enough distortion on the amp and they sound OK.



Bake

Mopar151

(9,980 posts)
75. As "legit" as a lot out there...
Sat Mar 9, 2013, 06:40 PM
Mar 2013

Especially in the "hair metal" era. His over the shark moment was firing his lead singer (Derek St, Holmes).

 

nikto

(3,284 posts)
87. Hey, the solo in "Journey To The Center Of The Mind" was pretty cool, actually...
Sat Mar 9, 2013, 08:30 PM
Mar 2013

Ofcourse, it was all downhill from there.

Bake

(21,977 posts)
88. Wait ... that was the Moody Blues, wasn't it?
Sat Mar 9, 2013, 08:34 PM
Mar 2013

Ted was nowhere near that. If I remember correctly. And it's possible that I dno't remember correctly, because frankly I wasn't a big Moody Blues fan anyway--I always thought them a bit on the pretentious side.



Bake

bluesbassman

(19,370 posts)
123. Wasn't mine either. Truth be told...
Mon Mar 11, 2013, 01:19 PM
Mar 2013

I found most of the Psychedelic rock genre a little over done and pretentious. There was way better music being made.

bluesbassman

(19,370 posts)
129. Wow! That certainly is a blast from the past.
Mon Mar 11, 2013, 02:33 PM
Mar 2013

Lot's of substance abuse issues with that band. IIRC the lead guitarist did some time in a mental institution rather than serve jail time for a drug beef. Think they pretty much disbanded by '69.

 

DisgustipatedinCA

(12,530 posts)
20. One of my earlier childhood memories
Sat Mar 9, 2013, 03:55 AM
Mar 2013

...is of my dad, a Southern Baptist, ranting about Jesus Christ Superstar being an extended exercise in "taking The Lord's name in vain". So the Baptists had that angle covered too.

Bake

(21,977 posts)
57. I remember my Southern Baptist pastor preaching a sermon against JC Superstar.
Sat Mar 9, 2013, 02:23 PM
Mar 2013

The only part he knew was the line from Superstar, "who are you, what have you sacrificed."

That became the basis for the sermon.



Bake

Kath1

(4,309 posts)
31. You're on to something there!
Sat Mar 9, 2013, 08:37 AM
Mar 2013

They certainly are opposed to all forms of birth control. Makes me want to send another donation to Planned Parenthood!

No wonder they usually look so sour and constipated!

Bake

(21,977 posts)
58. Because that's the only way THEY get any ...
Sat Mar 9, 2013, 02:25 PM
Mar 2013

So by golly, EVERYBODY should have to pay for it!!



Bake

patrice

(47,992 posts)
127. Nailed. it. That's the nut of it right there. That's also why a guy named Jesus was killed by his
Mon Mar 11, 2013, 02:13 PM
Mar 2013

church-state.

patrice

(47,992 posts)
131. And Hippies were saying you don't really love if you're not free, which freaked a bunch of peopleout
Mon Mar 11, 2013, 02:47 PM
Mar 2013

From there hippies and freedom got demonized by means of a definition of freedom that amounts to "Doing whatever you want, without consequences", coming largely from "The Great Generation", which is a prostitution of the relationships that hippie people were actually trying to work out (more or less imperfectly, since they were trying to do something relatively "new&quot amongst themselves one by one, some pretty creatively, others not so much.

Zorra

(27,670 posts)
27. I just finished reading Magaret Atwood's absolutely brilliant novel "The Handmaid's Tale" for the
Sat Mar 9, 2013, 07:56 AM
Mar 2013

second time. I read it for the first time in1986.

This reading disturbed me even more than the first reading did, and the OP is an illustration of the reasons why I found the book even more relevant than I did in 1986. It's even more relevant today.

Keeping conservatives, particularly the toxic RW religious conservatives, out of all positions of leadership and control is paramount to us maintaining any semblance of freedom.

I think I may donate to some liberal organizations later today.

Starry Messenger

(32,342 posts)
38. I've read that book about five times, I think.
Sat Mar 9, 2013, 11:48 AM
Mar 2013

It's been awhile, time to get it out again and reread.

The other thing that bothers me about this story is the voucher school aspect of it. That is tax money going to this school that uses this horrid book.

Kath1

(4,309 posts)
29. Ugh!
Sat Mar 9, 2013, 08:31 AM
Mar 2013

That is what is passing for education? Maybe they should mention that peace is better than war. At 54, I'm more of a hippie now than I was in the '70s. Proud of it, too! PEACE NOW!!!

HughBeaumont

(24,461 posts)
30. My parents weren't hippies.
Sat Mar 9, 2013, 08:32 AM
Mar 2013

Don't know if my dad was a devil worshipper or not.

Think he'd tell me if I asked?

Starry Messenger

(32,342 posts)
44. I'd be afraid to see it.
Sat Mar 9, 2013, 12:34 PM
Mar 2013

Just imaging... this is probably the same book that says the KKK were plucky little freedom fighters.

lunasun

(21,646 posts)
90. "God used the Trail of Tears to bring many Indians to Christ."—America: Land That I Love, Teacher ed
Sat Mar 9, 2013, 09:31 PM
Mar 2013

A Big WTF??? and paid for with taxpayer $$$$$$$$

Starry Messenger

(32,342 posts)
100. Yes.
Sun Mar 10, 2013, 12:53 AM
Mar 2013

It makes me ill. It really shouldn't be legal. The right-wing is always whining about liberals in teh public schools, but no one on the left has ever taught anything as scurrilous as that.

lunasun

(21,646 posts)
116. Teaching genocide issues in particular as a resort to bring non beleivers closer to Christ
Sun Mar 10, 2013, 11:57 AM
Mar 2013

Raises kids to be adults who may think not a second thought about wiping out an entire nation or geographic area in effort to bring them closer to Christ .

Infidels /ones without faith may have no choice but to die to fully receive Christ

To them it is a fact they learned in school

I have no problem with this kind of talk among soulsavers themselves but not on the taxpayer's dime and isn't at least some of the funding the LA state gets federal??

Is there a penny of my hard earned $$ via taxation going to indoctrinate this crap??? If so that is one penny too much

Cal Carpenter

(4,959 posts)
42. That's hilarious
Sat Mar 9, 2013, 12:19 PM
Mar 2013


I wish I could get a hold of the history texts I had in school as a kid. I'm sure they were horrific.

Cal Carpenter

(4,959 posts)
49. Wow! I'd seen one or two of those examples
Sat Mar 9, 2013, 01:20 PM
Mar 2013

somewhere but not the whole thing.

I love that the dinosaurs may have been dragons. That makes more sense than the rest of them

The scariest part is that those come from multiple textbooks, they aren't all from the same source.

 

Manifestor_of_Light

(21,046 posts)
43. "Eastern religious cult" = religions much older than christianity.
Sat Mar 9, 2013, 12:24 PM
Mar 2013

Hinduism and Buddhism. Hinduism goes back at least 10,000 years and Buddha lived 600 years before Jesus.

But then "Eastern religious cult" equals "Not Christianity, therefore BAD!!"

My idiot neighbor was in my house and saw my Medicine Buddha statue, held up her forearms in a cross to protect herself from the evil and said "BUDDHISM'S LIKE VOOOOOODOOOOOOOO!!!"

I have a bagua (Chinese feng shui mirror) on a tree outside to reflect her ignorance back to herself. And a six foot privacy fence.

I told her it was an ancient and dignified religion but she didn't hear me. All she knows is what some half-assed ignorant bible beatin' preacher tells her. She doesn't want to know anything.

And the guy across the street told me I was going to hell if I "keep meditating and worshiping Buddha". Had to set him straight about Buddha being an enlightened MAN, NOT a god.
His response, "Ohhhhhhh..."

He said his dad wouldn't let him watch the Beatles on Ed Sullivan in 1964 because they were "Communists". Seriously.

And that "Imagine" song by John Lennon is "the most atheistic, caahhhhmuhnistic song evah...."


MineralMan

(146,286 posts)
52. Yay Hippies!
Sat Mar 9, 2013, 01:56 PM
Mar 2013

That passage should get a lot of kids interested in exploring hippieness, I'd guess.

Sex, drugs, and rock and roll! Who could ask for more?

riqster

(13,986 posts)
53. I preferred the "freak" label, as did most people I knew at the time
Sat Mar 9, 2013, 02:12 PM
Mar 2013

On a related topic, I went to a museum at a southern university some years back, and they had an exhibit on the post-civil war era. Lots of displays on how the Northern Aggressors had disrupted the lives of the formerly-contended slaves.

Even my Brit girlfriend knew that was a crock. She found it quite Orwellian, as did I. And this at a mainstream state-chartered institution, not some fringe religious bible college.

Starry Messenger

(32,342 posts)
55. Interesting that you bring this up.
Sat Mar 9, 2013, 02:21 PM
Mar 2013

Re-the anti-Northern spin on post Civil War history taught in schools. I read an article post-"Lincoln" movie that mentioned "The Dunning School of thought", which was a deliberately crafted ideology that painted the South as the victims. It was very prevalent in schools until the 1950's. I would think there was some carry-over into later decades, since changing things in education can be a slow process.

Wiki has a decent overview:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunning_School

"The Dunning School refers to a group of historians who shared a historiographical school of thought regarding the Reconstruction period of American history (1865–1877). The Dunning School approach dominated scholarly and popular depictions of the era from about 1900 to the 1950s. Faircloth summarizes their viewpoint:

"All agreed that black suffrage had been a political blunder and that the Republican state governments in the South that rested upon black votes had been corrupt, extravagant, unrepresentative, and oppressive. The sympathies of the “Dunningite” historians lay with the white Southerners who resisted Congressional Reconstruction: whites who, organizing under the banner of the Conservative or Democratic Party, used legal opposition and extralegal violence to oust the Republicans from state power. Although “Dunningite” historians did not necessarily endorse those extra legal methods, they did tend to palliate them. From start to finish, they argued, Congressional Reconstruction—often dubbed “Radical Reconstruction”—lacked political wisdom and legitimacy."[1]

<snip>

The school was named after Columbia University professor William Archibald Dunning (1857–1922), whose writings and those of his PhD students comprised the main elements of the school. He supported the idea that the South had been hurt by Reconstruction and that American values had been trampled by the use of the U.S. Army to control state politics. He contended that freedmen had proved incapable of self-government and thus had made segregation necessary. Dunning believed that allowing blacks to vote and hold office had been "a serious error".[2] As a professor, he taught generations of scholars, many of whom expanded his views of the evils of Reconstruction. The Dunning School and similar historians dominated the version of Reconstruction-era history in textbooks into the 1960s. Their generalized adoption of deprecatory terms such as scalawags for southern white Republicans and carpetbaggers for northerners who worked and settled in the South, have persisted in historical works."

gollygee

(22,336 posts)
60. ROFL!
Sat Mar 9, 2013, 02:27 PM
Mar 2013

Ha! That's hilarious. The whole thing.

I guess the good side of these textbooks is the comedy value. Too bad kids are being taught this stuff as if it's legitimate.

Starry Messenger

(32,342 posts)
68. And $4 million taxpayer money supports it.
Sat Mar 9, 2013, 02:49 PM
Mar 2013

The good news is that Jindal's education "reforms" are being beaten back in the courts. Hopefully, maybe, these fringe texts will go back to being the fodder of private schools that won't be able to take public money via vouchers.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/joy-resmovits/bobby-jindals-education-r_b_2807933.html

Starry Messenger

(32,342 posts)
69. Hi Bake, it's a good question.
Sat Mar 9, 2013, 02:55 PM
Mar 2013

The Mother Jones article from earlier this year posted some possible culprits. The "Hippies worship Satan" snippet wasn't sourced at the original AmericaBlog entry about it, from what I can tell.

But here are some "history" book titles from known conservative textbook publishers:

http://www.motherjones.com/blue-marble/2012/07/photos-evangelical-curricula-louisiana-tax-dollars

America: Land That I Love, Teacher ed., A Beka Book, 1994

Old World History and Geography in Christian Perspective, 3rd ed., A Beka Book, 2004

United States History for Christian Schools, 2nd ed., Bob Jones University Press, 1991

United States History: Heritage of Freedom, 2nd ed., A Beka Book, 1996

American Government in Christian Perspective, 2nd ed., A Beka Book, 1997

You get the gist.

edit: I was wrong. AmericaBlog sourced the book. It's from America: Land That I Love, Teacher ed., A Beka Book, 1994

http://americablog.com/2013/03/voucher-school-us-history-book-hippies-didnt-bathe-worshipped-satan.html

"Now for the hippies

This comes from a book called “America: Land I Love.” It’s an eighth-grade history book that’s used in Louisiana voucher schools (the Mother Jones link above confirms that this book is being used). And it has a section on “The Hippies.” Here’s what Louisiana is teaching its school kids about the hippies:"

love_katz

(2,578 posts)
82. Bingo! You win, Bake.
Sat Mar 9, 2013, 07:39 PM
Mar 2013

We are laughing at the absurdity of these pseudo factoids, but really, it is not funny.

Young, vulnerable minds are being polluted with indoctrination. And at the taxpayer's expense? Arrrrrrgh!

LeftInTX

(25,258 posts)
78. Here's what a Louisiana textbook says about the KKK:
Sat Mar 9, 2013, 07:06 PM
Mar 2013

"[The Ku Klux] Klan in some areas of the country tried to be a means of reform, fighting the decline in morality and using the symbol of the cross. Klan targets were bootleggers, wife-beaters, and immoral movies. In some communities it achieved a certain respectability as it worked with politicians."—United States History for Christian Schools, 3rd ed., Bob Jones University Press, 2001

Starry Messenger

(32,342 posts)
99. We need to fight and get rid of this shit.
Sun Mar 10, 2013, 12:47 AM
Mar 2013

Full stop. It's deforming America and keeping us from our democratic potential. The oligarchies are trying to normalize hate and infect children with it.

 

Trajan

(19,089 posts)
79. Religionists in the state of Texas control the content of school textbooks
Sat Mar 9, 2013, 07:17 PM
Mar 2013

[font size=2]I'm surprised nobody has mentioned this yet ...

http://www.nybooks.com/articles/archives/2012/jun/21/how-texas-inflicts-bad-textbooks-on-us/?pagination=false

How Texas Inflicts Bad Textbooks on Us

June 21, 2012

Gail Collins


[font size=1]Texas State Board of Education members Cynthia Dunbar, Barbara Cargill, and Gail Lowe discussing curriculum standards, Austin, May 2008. Cargill, who was appointed chairwoman last year by Governor Rick Perry, has expressed concern that there are now only ‘six true conservative Christians on the board.’[font size=2]

“What happens in Texas doesn’t stay in Texas when it comes to textbooks”

No matter where you live, if your children go to public schools, the textbooks they use were very possibly written under Texas influence. If they graduated with a reflexive suspicion of the concept of separation of church and state and an unexpected interest in the contributions of the National Rifle Association to American history, you know who to blame.

When it comes to meddling with school textbooks, Texas is both similar to other states and totally different. It’s hardly the only one that likes to fiddle around with the material its kids study in class. The difference is due to size—4.8 million textbook-reading schoolchildren as of 2011—and the peculiarities of its system of government, in which the State Board of Education is selected in elections that are practically devoid of voters, and wealthy donors can chip in unlimited amounts of money to help their favorites win.

Those favorites are not shrinking violets. In 2009, the nation watched in awe as the state board worked on approving a new science curriculum under the leadership of a chair who believed that “evolution is hooey.” In 2010, the subject was social studies and the teachers tasked with drawing up course guidelines were supposed to work in consultation with “experts” added on by the board, one of whom believed that the income tax was contrary to the word of God in the scriptures.

Ever since the 1960s, the selection of schoolbooks in Texas has been a target for the religious right, which worried that schoolchildren were being indoctrinated in godless secularism, and political conservatives who felt that their kids were being given way too much propaganda about the positive aspects of the federal government. Mel Gabler, an oil company clerk, and his wife, Norma, who began their textbook crusade at their kitchen table, were the leaders of the first wave. They brought their supporters to State Board of Education meetings, unrolling their “scroll of shame,” which listed objections they had to the content of the current reading material. At times, the scroll was fifty-four feet long. Products of the Texas school system have the Gablers to thank for the fact that at one point the New Deal was axed from the timeline of significant events in American history.

-snip-

Pitiful ....

malthaussen

(17,187 posts)
85. Damn, how did they find out about us?
Sat Mar 9, 2013, 07:42 PM
Mar 2013

Excuse me while I recite the Lord's Prayer backwards... "Amen, amen..."

-- Mal

sibelian

(7,804 posts)
104. Well a hippy crashed my car recently so people can call them what they want as far as I'm concerned.
Sun Mar 10, 2013, 01:27 AM
Mar 2013

Useless jerks.

Starry Messenger

(32,342 posts)
106. Oh sure.
Sun Mar 10, 2013, 01:31 AM
Mar 2013

Well, if anyone crashed into your car of any other counter-culture identification, it would be totally appropriate to label their contributions satanic, and have that taught to schoolkids with taxpayer millions. Because that isn't authoritarian and narcissistic at all.

sibelian

(7,804 posts)
107. Well, it sort of depends on the sub-culture.
Sun Mar 10, 2013, 02:20 AM
Mar 2013

I think any further textbook distortions would have to be the *most irritatingly inappropriate* distortion possible of their ideology/oeuvre before I would feel satisfied with my vicarious "vengeance". (Gosh, that's alliterative).

So, you could have textbooks calling goths "frivolous", punks "timid and over-cautious", Elvis impersonators "lacking focus and goals", shoegaze "hyper-politicized and overwrought", stuff like that. If you want to avoid limiting it to music you could call Occupy "grotesquely hierarchical", or the BDSM community "inhibited and conservative".

And so on.

Anyway, she crashed my car.

Do you know any hippies?
 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
108. Fucking bullshit from the Establishment!
Sun Mar 10, 2013, 02:24 AM
Mar 2013

Government man in his shinny suit. Fuck the pigs! Fuck war man!

 

Ken Burch

(50,254 posts)
113. Is it just me, or does the frizzy-haired dude in the middle
Sun Mar 10, 2013, 03:49 AM
Mar 2013

look like Will Ferrell if he'd been in "Dazed and Confused"?

 

Phillip McCleod

(1,837 posts)
115. smoke pot! worship satan! freak out the squares!
Sun Mar 10, 2013, 04:04 AM
Mar 2013

modern dems could learn a lot from the hippies.

like how to plant a flower in the muzzle of implacable hatred.

Kath1

(4,309 posts)
117. I was too young to be a part of the original hippie movement
Sun Mar 10, 2013, 05:42 PM
Mar 2013

but I fondly recall my hippie days in high school in the mid 70's. Ragged bell bottom jeans, tinted glasses, over sized turtleneck sweater, sandals, fringed purse. Smoking cigarettes, cursing a lot and telling anybody who would listen how much I hated Nixon while waiting for the school bus. The good old days! We need more hippies!

Starry Messenger

(32,342 posts)
120. I was born in 1970.
Sun Mar 10, 2013, 05:57 PM
Mar 2013

I found out about hippies when I was 7 or 8 and got all excited and asked my parents if they'd been hippies. Boy was I sad! My parents both told me that they'd been anti-counterculture Nixon lovers. They were young Republicans in love! My mom moved *out* of the Haight-Ashbury in the Summer of Love!

She's now recovered (and divorced), but that's my hippie story.

Kath1

(4,309 posts)
121. Great story, Starry Messenger!
Sun Mar 10, 2013, 06:16 PM
Mar 2013

I took a long break from hippiedom while I was married to a Republican conservative. Like your mom I am also "recovered (and divorced)." I'm more of a hippie now than I was in the 70's and I'm glad to say my 25 year old daughter is a 2013-era hippie! Peace and love!

patrice

(47,992 posts)
126. Someone has been working on this meme at least since 1986, when I first heard that we are responsibl
Mon Mar 11, 2013, 02:11 PM
Mar 2013

e for the decline of the USA, from an educated person who taught debate at the Catholic high school where I taught.

MountainLaurel

(10,271 posts)
132. Another proud moment for Louisiana
Mon Mar 11, 2013, 02:50 PM
Mar 2013

Combine this with the textbook that says the Loch Ness monster is real, and what a state we have.

napkinz

(17,199 posts)
133. yeah, just play the Beatles backwards! ...
Mon Mar 11, 2013, 02:51 PM
Mar 2013


"No, a Demon Idol" and "Satan, look at me please."






"Satan look at me. Come on, Satan, now. Is he great?






"We'll Fuck You Like You're Superman?" OK!






Douglas Carpenter

(20,226 posts)
134. I really doubt that they are rewriting history as much as they are just telling their memories of
Mon Mar 11, 2013, 03:00 PM
Mar 2013

how they saw it at the time. This description of hippies was a very popular notion held by a major portions of the population and was reported in the mainstream media at the time.

Remember this 1967 CBS special, "The Hippie Temptation"

Starry Messenger

(32,342 posts)
139. I missed out on that classic.
Mon Mar 11, 2013, 03:19 PM
Mar 2013

Born too late! My parents probably saw it...Harry Reasoner, that's a name I haven't thought of for years.

I figured the books had been influenced by a sort of Bircher world-view, but your point makes sense.

napkinz

(17,199 posts)
140. hey, at 33:14 in the video, the Grateful Dead!
Mon Mar 11, 2013, 04:04 PM
Mar 2013

Weird seeing Jery Garcia without the beard.

I have to say, Harry Reasoner is very condescending in this documentary.




reflection

(6,286 posts)
135. One of my teachers in 7th grade tried to tell me
Mon Mar 11, 2013, 03:05 PM
Mar 2013

that Rush and Yes were Satanic bands. I was deep into both at the time.

She said Rush stood for 'Rulers Under Satan's Hand' and that Yes' lyrics were Satanic. I eviscerated her "theories" as well as a 13-year old could. The whole thing was just utterly befuddling. Neither band showed the slightest amount of Satanism. Rush were sort of fatalist, and a little Randian in their early work, and Yes could be construed as mystical perhaps. But Satanistic? Psssh.

 

DisgustipatedinCA

(12,530 posts)
145. They are the priests of the temples...
Tue Mar 12, 2013, 01:11 PM
Mar 2013

...of Satan.

And did you ever notice that 90125 is 5 characters long, the same number of characters as in S-A-T-A-N? That's scientific proof right there. Still don't believe me? What about Heart of the Sunrise? The sun is hot. Its "heart" is even hotter--an obvious reference to Hell.

reflection

(6,286 posts)
146. It was actually 2112 that set her off.
Tue Mar 12, 2013, 01:53 PM
Mar 2013

The Red Star and all. I quoted the lyrics from 'Survival' when we got to Yes. Such a gentle song. How it could be construed as Satanic I have no idea.

moondust

(19,972 posts)
147. Soviet historiography.
Tue Mar 12, 2013, 03:04 PM
Mar 2013
The official version of Soviet history has been dramatically changed after every major governmental shake-up. Previous leaders were always denounced as "enemies", whereas current leaders were usually a subject of a personality cult. Textbooks were rewritten periodically, with figures - such as Leon Trotsky or Joseph Stalin - disappearing from their pages or being turned from great figures to great villains.[11][13]

Certain regions and periods of history were made unreliable for political reasons. Entire historical events could be erased, if they did not fit the party line.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet_historiography


The Fox News of textbook writing: "Designer history bent to your specifications!"

DonCoquixote

(13,616 posts)
152. The Bullshit begins
Thu Mar 14, 2013, 05:37 AM
Mar 2013

Never mind that half their parents lsitened to Dylan and the Who. As far as Satan Worship goes, very few claimed that, and fewer even knew what the hell they were talking about.

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