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kpete

(71,981 posts)
Sat Mar 9, 2013, 12:56 PM Mar 2013

Warning: " the surveillance state is effectively abolishing your right to be a critical thinker."

The Premise of Digital Surveillance Precludes Scholarship
Friday, 08 March 2013 00:00
By R. Lila Steinberg, Truthout | Op-Ed


Since 9/11, sweeping and indiscriminate digital surveillance of all computer and telecommunications users has been conducted, and more recently, systems have been developed to store every byte of that information forever. This means that if actors within some government agency decide to target you, they can immediately access every telecommunication: email, phone call, etcetera, that you have made or sent for years, as well as every web site you have visited.



By claiming falsely that reviewing materials, for example, about creationism, makes one necessarily a creationist, or reviewing materials about jihad makes one a jihadist, or that reviewing materials about anarchism makes one necessarily an anarchist, and, further, that reviewing anything or even claiming these titles is the same as actually committing any crime, the surveillance state is effectively abolishing your right to be a critical thinker.

the rest:
http://www.truth-out.org/opinion/item/14839-the-premise-of-digital-surveillance-precludes-scholarship#i
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Warning: " the surveillance state is effectively abolishing your right to be a critical thinker." (Original Post) kpete Mar 2013 OP
Studying without authorization - a capital offense. Just don't think about that, or you too may leveymg Mar 2013 #1
George Carlin - The Owners Of America And Education cantbeserious Mar 2013 #3
Damn, I so wish I could rec this! tpsbmam Mar 2013 #35
Agreed. This fear is why a lot of young people that are unemployed and those who have be DhhD Mar 2013 #15
I feel so much safer knowing this. NYC_SKP Mar 2013 #2
For anyone in the Obama Administration monitoring our posts or other Internet usage, AnotherMcIntosh Mar 2013 #4
That goes DOUBLE for me!!!1! Octafish Mar 2013 #6
I gladly give up my freedom for security! L0oniX Mar 2013 #11
Paranoia runs deep. They can listen in but not abbrogate the first amendment. xtraxritical Mar 2013 #20
They can't "abbrogate the first amendment"? Who's paying the salaries of these guys? AnotherMcIntosh Mar 2013 #31
"those guys" were guilty in court... xtraxritical Mar 2013 #33
Do you have a link to support that? AnotherMcIntosh Mar 2013 #34
Someone knowing what I have access to is not abolishing my right to have access to it. Comrade_McKenzie Mar 2013 #5
You're "glad" that "we have this type of surveillance"? Is this sarcasm? Or is this one of those AnotherMcIntosh Mar 2013 #10
Trolls can survive for a while but hopefully eventually they will get the TS. n/t L0oniX Mar 2013 #12
Lookie, Whoopie Ding! Jackpine Radical Mar 2013 #17
Check out "The Dumbing Down of America" This brainwashing has been going on for years. Wake up judesedit Mar 2013 #7
How do you think the TeaParty came into being? This is not new. If they had too little info in the judesedit Mar 2013 #9
They're on to you now, better hit the road and don't bring your cell phone, they can track it. xtraxritical Mar 2013 #21
Every now and then I like to type UnrepentantLiberal Mar 2013 #8
Bomb bombs bomber bombing bombers bombmitty... L0oniX Mar 2013 #13
Now you done it! UnrepentantLiberal Mar 2013 #14
Yellow cake, aluminum tubes, chervilant Mar 2013 #26
kinda puts a crimp in the governments assertion & compulsion, "we want people educated" NT Trillo Mar 2013 #16
Sounds like something you would see on the Above top Secret conspiracy message forum Politicub Mar 2013 #18
you seem to have proved the point, actually. dixiegrrrrl Mar 2013 #30
DHS's Favorite List wet_to_activate Mar 2013 #19
"Fourth Amendment" is not on the list? How did they miss that? AnotherMcIntosh Mar 2013 #22
You forgot plutonium ... n/t chervilant Mar 2013 #27
This message was self-deleted by its author damnedifIknow Mar 2013 #23
The Obama Administration is the biggest disappointment of my lifetime MotherPetrie Mar 2013 #24
You know, maybe the Internet was a mistake? caseymoz Mar 2013 #25
K & R AzDar Mar 2013 #28
They're protecting us from tyranny....the irony is wasted on them. Tierra_y_Libertad Mar 2013 #29
I assumed it has been like this since the early 1970's NNN0LHI Mar 2013 #32
Respectfully, I doubt that any of us on DU is all that MineralMan Mar 2013 #36
"Critical thinking"? Spider Jerusalem Mar 2013 #37
i think they started this people of interest crap years ago olddots Mar 2013 #38

leveymg

(36,418 posts)
1. Studying without authorization - a capital offense. Just don't think about that, or you too may
Sat Mar 9, 2013, 01:01 PM
Mar 2013

go on a list.

tpsbmam

(3,927 posts)
35. Damn, I so wish I could rec this!
Mon Mar 11, 2013, 04:08 PM
Mar 2013

Hadn't seen that particular Carlin. Man, Do I miss him! But I'm sharing that one far and wide -- there are some people around here who need to spend a few minutes listening to this. I've tried to educate them but maybe they'll hear it differently coming from him. Who knows! Thanks for posting it.

DhhD

(4,695 posts)
15. Agreed. This fear is why a lot of young people that are unemployed and those who have be
Sat Mar 9, 2013, 02:06 PM
Mar 2013

jilted by the American Dream, were afraid to assemble (our 1st Amendment Right). OWS was lacking all that are effected. The American people know why they did not occupy and in my opinion have a much greater support of OWS than most realize. It is like, we support our troops even though we cannot occupy with them. It is a true Mind-Meld.

 

AnotherMcIntosh

(11,064 posts)
4. For anyone in the Obama Administration monitoring our posts or other Internet usage,
Sat Mar 9, 2013, 01:26 PM
Mar 2013
I just want to let you know that I think that you're doing a great job.

Maybe we can all be like the super-supporters without a need to be critical thinkers.

Octafish

(55,745 posts)
6. That goes DOUBLE for me!!!1!
Sat Mar 9, 2013, 01:36 PM
Mar 2013

Deep down, and I think I can speak for everyone on DU, we look forward to the continuing expansion of government by the people, of the people, and for the people; as well as more freedom, equality, civil rights, transparency, economic prosperity and peace in the coming years. I've felt that way ever since the vile gangster and war criminal Don Siegelman was returned to prison.

PS: Do I get a pony now?

 

AnotherMcIntosh

(11,064 posts)
34. Do you have a link to support that?
Sat Mar 9, 2013, 10:29 PM
Mar 2013

Here's some of the reporting which does not indicate that:

Occupy Wall Street November 17: Journalists Arrested, Beaten By Police

As thousands of Occupy Wall Street protesters took to the streets on Thursday, journalists once again found themselves a target of police violence and arrests.

Reporters took to Twitter and, in some cases, to television to spread the word of the heavy hand police were using against them. It appeared to be a repeat of a similar scene two days earlier, when journalists were roughed up and arrested as the NYPD forcibly cleared the Occupy Wall Street encampment in lower Manhattan.

Lucy Kafanov, a reporter for the RT television network, said she was hit with a police baton while trying to film the protests. She told another reporter for her network that she had her press credentials clearly visible, but was still struck. She also said that she witnessed another reporter from the IndyMedia network being "slammed against the wall" and arrested.
...
The Daily Caller also said that two of its reporters were "assaulted" with batons.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/11/17/occupy-wall-street-nov-17-journalists-arrested-beaten_n_1099661.html

 

Comrade_McKenzie

(2,526 posts)
5. Someone knowing what I have access to is not abolishing my right to have access to it.
Sat Mar 9, 2013, 01:34 PM
Mar 2013

With the rise in right-wing extremist groups... I'm glad we have this type of surveillance.

 

AnotherMcIntosh

(11,064 posts)
10. You're "glad" that "we have this type of surveillance"? Is this sarcasm? Or is this one of those
Sat Mar 9, 2013, 01:53 PM
Mar 2013

we-had-to-destroy-the-village-in-order-to-save-it things?

So there are "right-wing extremist groups". What is more right-wing that adopting a surveillance state that goes beyond anything that existed in Russia or East Germany?

Jackpine Radical

(45,274 posts)
17. Lookie, Whoopie Ding!
Sat Mar 9, 2013, 02:16 PM
Mar 2013

Them loony DUers Welcome the Socialist Nazi Commie Security State!

Quick--Help me gotta get the word out!

You post to FR while I see if I can get Fox interested.

Breitbart will love it!

judesedit

(4,437 posts)
9. How do you think the TeaParty came into being? This is not new. If they had too little info in the
Sat Mar 9, 2013, 01:47 PM
Mar 2013

past...they have too much now. And in the end, they do what they want with us. It's their word against ours. Who's word is going to be listened to....ours or the cops, Congresspeople, President, wealthy lobbyists? You guessed it. Whistleblowers have been being killed forever. They just make it look like suicide or a major accident. You can't be that naive. Can you? It's all about the money. The ones with the most $$$$$ run everything. And care about one thing only....to be able to continue raking it in at the rate they are now. While we suffer, they prosper.

 

UnrepentantLiberal

(11,700 posts)
8. Every now and then I like to type
Sat Mar 9, 2013, 01:44 PM
Mar 2013

Jihad, Jihad, Jihad, anarchy, anarchy, anarchy. I like to think I'm wasting some cyberspook's time.

Politicub

(12,165 posts)
18. Sounds like something you would see on the Above top Secret conspiracy message forum
Sat Mar 9, 2013, 02:16 PM
Mar 2013

While technically possible is it feasible? Probably not. It's why we have laws. Despotic governments have used crude tech to spy on citizens, and it worked at the time. It's not what the US has done. There was more potential for control when everyone just got two or three tv channels. Didn't happen, though TV has been highly influential.

Yes, the FBI and CIA spy on limited numbers of people, and privacy laws should be strengthened, IMHO.

But limiting critical thinking ability? Seriously?

 

wet_to_activate

(7 posts)
19. DHS's Favorite List
Sat Mar 9, 2013, 02:20 PM
Mar 2013

Last edited Sun Mar 10, 2013, 03:04 AM - Edit history (1)

This Should Get "Their" Attention:


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PU
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Response to kpete (Original post)

caseymoz

(5,763 posts)
25. You know, maybe the Internet was a mistake?
Sat Mar 9, 2013, 03:01 PM
Mar 2013

I know that's heresy, but it's possible that it's better to do without it.

MineralMan

(146,284 posts)
36. Respectfully, I doubt that any of us on DU is all that
Mon Mar 11, 2013, 04:25 PM
Mar 2013

interesting to the federal government or to any government. We can research whatever we wish, talk about anything that doesn't break the TOS of DU, and anyone looking for subversives will simply ignore whatever we do on DU.

While it may be technologically feasible to have a computer look at everything posted here and on all the other sites on the Internet, it is unfeasible for human beings to follow up on all of those discussions where some keyword appears. The human power needed to do that does not exist. I imagine that those computers sifting through all of the messaging and what-all circulating on the Internet are looking for more than just words in posts on discussion forums. In fact, there is almost certainly a Boolean equivalent of IF messagesource = democraticunderground.com Then Ignore.

The thing is that DUers are not dangerous people. They aren't plotting the overthrow of anything other than overthrowing their garbage out and missing the trashcan, with a vanishingly small number of possible exceptions. So, we're simply not of interest to anyone looking for dangerous subversives.

With all of the truly nasty websites out there posting truly seditious stuff, we're not even seeing any government action on even the people posting that crap. It's not happening, and is unlikely to happen, simply because there aren't enough human beings to investigate more than a tiny fraction of seditious postings on the Internet.

Overestimating the capabilities of government intelligence operations is almost as bad as underestimating them. Where there is no material risk of evildoing, there is no interest or human capability of investigation, and DU is not a place to look for genuine evildoers. Truly.

 

Spider Jerusalem

(21,786 posts)
37. "Critical thinking"?
Mon Mar 11, 2013, 04:42 PM
Mar 2013

There's a significant, and large, difference between reading Emma Goldman and looking up how to build a bomb (for instance). Sure, reading things like Goldman and Kropotkin and so on doesn't necessarily make one an anarchist, but there are things which can be correlated: reading those things *and* looking at how to combine fertiliser and diesel fuel to make a big boom? Then you're probably on a list somewhere, because there's a correlative link between political thought potentially leading to overt action. These aren't abstractions we're dealing with here, after all.

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