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Occidental Prof Heldman On Her Fox Appearance: "I Have Never Met" People "So Upset That The Economy Is Rebounding" http://mm4a.org
from the March 12 edition of MSNBC's Politics Nation:
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HiPointDem
(20,729 posts)are part-time.
4 years after the recovery, at the rate we're going we'll be back to square one in 2020.
LWolf
(46,179 posts)tridim
(45,358 posts)Except yours apparently.
I'm glad we're finally moving in the right direction after the horrible 2000's.
Bandit
(21,475 posts)My home had lost value during the Bush* years and since 2008 has been steadily rebounding. It is now almost where it was in 2002. I would say that is very healthy for the economy. The unemployment rate has fallen steadily in the state I live. We were losing, nation wide, about seven hundred thousand jobs a month when Obama was first elected. For four straight years now we have gained jobs and not lost them...While things could be a hell of lot better, they could also be a hell of a lot worse. We could have full Republican control once again and America could be be once agin on it's death bed...
just1voice
(1,362 posts)They'll start personally insulting everyone and citing false statistics that they believe wholeheartedly.
SidDithers
(44,228 posts)Sid
. . . you're reading between the lines.
n2doc
(47,953 posts)eridani
(51,907 posts)The new normal is 7% unemployment, with millions of unwilling part-timers classified as employed. People who think this is acceptable can just go fuck themselves.
bigtree
(85,975 posts). . . most observers are just pointing out the steady addition of jobs - certainly not enough, certainly not enough full-time positions - but, it's a curious argument that just completely discounts the employment that folks are actually finding in many regions of the country. Both things hold true: There has been steady growth in jobs created and there is still much more to be achieved.
What's more relevant to this professor's experience at FOX is the way the network has been actively promoting the republican obstruction of Democratic and WH initiatives and proposals which would provide opportunities for job growth.
If you want to argue 'jobs' you need to look at what the republican party has neglected to do in the House. They are the ONLY ones whose ACTIONS can be assumed that they believe the status quo is acceptable. Everyone else has been railing up and down for them to do more than defend defense dollars and their wealthy tax breaks.
TheKentuckian
(25,020 posts)The pain index was already high and the people were looking for change and something to hang hope on and that time is being painted as good times and folks are now being told we have peas to eat and sacrificing to share in from Democrats and told to burn in hell by the TeaPubliKlans while the wealthy fucks who wrecked the economy and had been wrecking it for a generation are making out like bandits, more than restored.
People getting pissed on don't like being told that it is actually raining sunshine.
bigtree
(85,975 posts). . . and you contradict your own premise by pointing to Democratic sequester hawks who are calling for 'sacrificing.'
Most folks out here understand where the responsibility lies for the faults in our economy. That doesn't stop some from using the republican obstruction as an opportunity to paint both parties as irresponsible.That's the pisser, if there is one.
TheKentuckian
(25,020 posts)What is now being made "good old days" is the pre-crash days but maybe to a degree since it is all austerity from here.
bigtree
(85,975 posts). . . to transport us all back to when the economy was stronger.
Who doesn't want to go back to that? Almost everyone believes it's going to be difficult to even recover that far.
I know there are pols and pundits trying to sell whatever scenario they believe in, but most Democrats are now calling for a contribution of more revenue by reforming and eliminating tax loopholes, rather than focus primarily on cuts.
The President said today that he's not trying to achieve a 'balanced budget.' He also said that he's not focused on the deficit, as much as he is in making the right kinds of investments to help the economy grow. That doesn't sound like austerity to me.
Republicans, on the other hand, are content to starve the nation to maintain and expand their wealthy tax breaks.
samplegirl
(11,462 posts)Rebounding to min. wage jobs with no benifits.
JaneyVee
(19,877 posts)Things ARE getting better, NO THANKS to Republican OBSTRUCTIONISM.
Buffalo Bull
(138 posts)It is not the anger of the right wingers that I talk to that annoys me.
It is this surreal denial of obvious facts.
I can deal with some one who disagrees with me.
Someone who is desperately constructing an alternate universe.
That I can not understand.
JaneyVee
(19,877 posts)davidthegnome
(2,983 posts)Some of us who recently found work are probably happier than they were when unemployed. Yet the fact remains that wages are stagnant, that it is becoming increasingly difficult to find work that provides benefits, or full time employment. Most of the jobs gained are part time, low paying - while at the same time we have corporations making record profits. The idea that the wealth is going to trickle down is ridiculous. The stock market is only one indicator of the status of the overall economy. Consider the 1920s, even though overproduction became a severe issue, it was largely overlooked, ignored, as people continued to invest money they didn't have (borrowed from banks) into the stock market - thus the numbers kept looking good. Eventually, however, this contributed to The Great Depression. A Nation of people who sort of dreamily, optimistically believed in this idea of eternal prosperity.
It took a great progressive like FDR to start pulling us out of The Great Depression. It required someone standing up to the corporations, to the wealthy, to demand a fairer deal (or a "New Deal" for everyone. What has been done since? Well, slowly, republicans and democrats alike are dismantling our social safety net. Welfare reform is one example of this, there are others, up to and including the current sequester. The loss of our manufacturing industry and the jobs that went with it... results of very low priced foreign labor, production, etc. One need simply consider the Citizens United ruling to understand that the odds do not favor the average worker. One need simply consider the very existence of the super pacs, or the enormous amounts of tax relief given to corporations and executives who didn't need them. The bail out of the financial institutions that created a global economic crisis.
The economy is, at the moment, improving in terms of overall job numbers, stocks and so on. Yet if you look at the larger picture... well, there are reasons for grave concern.
It hasn't improved for me. I'm still unemployed, struggling through college with only my parents and some financial aid to rely on. Jobs are low in supply here and high in demand, yet they are also paying less, offering less, than ever before.
I am not optimistic, perhaps this is a failing of mine. My fear is that we will call minor improvements hugely significant, that we will manufacture an image of a healthy economy while so many of us are digging through dumpsters for our dinner. The system requires fundamental change before things really get better for everyone.
whatchamacallit
(15,558 posts)olddots
(10,237 posts)Fux will have profs from Peckerdine U. on from time to time ......."see Madge a professor on fox says libruls are satin's slaves ."
. . .this is just some fake prop prof sent out by conservatives to confuse the public with an economic perspective that makes FOX fundies want to barf in their mouths.
olddots
(10,237 posts)just a slow news day -------I have a hard time with fox news programing sorry -my wife worked for Brave New Films when they made Out Foxed and I saw it way too many times ,was it propaganda ? well documentaries are by nature propaganda like most media.
The point being =we all have pointy heads .
Buffalo Bull
(138 posts)If you can avoid having you point of view leak into your reporting of fact.
Or your taste in music or...
If you look at it right, everything is political
Comrade_McKenzie
(2,526 posts)And should be ridiculed into isolation.
davidthegnome
(2,983 posts)People that say "the economy is rebounding" have ulterior motives... and should be ridiculed into isolation.
Or, perhaps things simply aren't that black and white.
Demeter
(85,373 posts)People who say it is are pulling a snow job on you, so they can steal your retirement and social security and health care without your noticing.
See graph below.
ProSense
(116,464 posts)blowing a hole in the pundits' theory that the economy would collapse if Obama was relected.
By Lucia Mutikani
Reuters) - Retail sales expanded at their fastest clip in five months in February, the latest sign of momentum for an economy facing headwinds from higher taxes and pricier gasoline.
The solid sales last month comes on the heels of strong gains in employment and manufacturing. But the improvement in the economic picture is likely insufficient to shift the Federal Reserve from its very accommodative monetary policy stance.
- more -
http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/03/13/us-economy-retail-idUSBRE92C0I820130313
The only negative was the increase in the trade deficit, but overall the data was better than expected.
http://www.calculatedriskblog.com/2013/03/summary-for-week-ending-march-8th.html
http://neweconomicperspectives.org/2013/03/in-praise-of-political-dysfunction.html
By Steve Benen
It's hard to believe, but the economy is actually starting to look pretty good. The latest job numbers were strong; the latest manufacturing figures were very encouraging; the housing sector is looking increasingly strong; Wall Street is up; and the new retail-sales numbers were so good, "it's hard to imagine how the numbers could have been stronger."
All Americans really have to worry about now is their elected lawmakers acting against their interests on purpose.
Take, for example, what the House's top Republican said late last week...
House Speaker John Boehner (R., Ohio) on Thursday said he would continue to insist that the next debt-ceiling increase be accompanied by matching spending cuts, raising the prospect of a high-stakes showdown when the borrowing limit expires this spring.
...and what the Senate's top Republican said yesterday.
Senate Republican Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.) said Tuesday that Republicans will use the expiration of the debt limit this summer as leverage to get President Obama to consider entitlement reforms. This could set up a standoff over the nation's borrowing authority similar to the one that resulted in the nation losing its credit rating in 2011. <...>
"We all anticipate that the president's request of us to raise the debt ceiling, which we'll probably do sometime this will generate another, hopefully, another discussion about solving the real problem," he said.
For the record, McConnell has long struggled to understand this despite more than a quarter of a century on the Hill, but a debt-ceiling increase is not something presidents "request of" Congress. Rather, Congress allocates funds and the White House lets lawmakers know when the bill is due.
- more -
http://maddowblog.msnbc.com/_news/2013/03/13/17297281-why-we-cant-have-nice-things
The economy has momentum, and if Congress would seize on this to pass a jobs bill, it would definitely pick up steam.
davidn3600
(6,342 posts)Wealth disparity is accelerating. Jobs are still scarce and wages are barely moving. The youth is also still struggling to find adequate work.
But the stock market is up. And the rich are making profits.
Purveyor
(29,876 posts)darkangel218
(13,985 posts)Not for me. It's fuct up as of now.
Newest Reality
(12,712 posts)dictionary definitions of words and their technical meaning, as well as to whom the words actually refer to.
A term like "the economy" is a very abstract term that encompasses a lot of ground, like the word, Universe. All in all, the Universe is pretty much intact and functional. Stars are being born while some are going super nova. Some galaxies are whirling around just fine, while some are colliding in mind-boggling events of unimaginable proportions. Things are joining, persisting and perishing.
Now, the economy may seem to mean an economic environment that we all take part in and share to some degree. However, those who hold tightly to, (and increase) their predominant share are obviously the ones who are having a noticeable recovery and realistic rebound.
Meanwhile, the rest of us swirl around the huge black hole of poverty and the momentum is becoming more irresistible for more people as they are drawn closer to economic oblivion.
Anyone who already knows someone who is now directly feeling the impact of the austerity policy ... I mean sequester, can attest to that.
If the people have no bread, them eat recovery!
Demeter
(85,373 posts)Nye Bevan
(25,406 posts)So I would have to say "yes". Perhaps it's not as quick a recovery as we would like, but Bush did leave one hell of a mess to clean up.
davidn3600
(6,342 posts)KoKo
(84,711 posts)nolabear
(41,932 posts)Really? I think all polls are skewed but The Blaze?
Btw throwing in "Pollyannas" is inviting a fight, not a discussion. Is that what you want?
kestrel91316
(51,666 posts)I have a dear friend who is on the verge of homelessness and her car just got repoed. And almost everyone I know is struggling just to get by.
Oh, and a client who is a university professor says that all her friends are barely getting by anymore, too.
reformist2
(9,841 posts)Why? Because the economy is doing great according to metrics the GOP loves, such as the stock market and the wealth of the 1% and GDP. According to the metrics Dems should care about, however, such as unemployment, median income, wages, the economy is stagnant at best. I hate to say it, but Obama/Bernanke have given us a classic Republican-style recovery.
duffyduff
(3,251 posts)I don't believe one damned thing that comes out of Washington--from either party.