'Killing Jews Is Worship’ Ad Campaign Rolled Out On SF Muni Buses

[question everything]

SAN FRANCISCO (KPIX 5) – A controversy has been re-ignited this week as ten new ads go up on San Francisco Muni buses containing quotes used by terrorists.

“Killing Jews is worship that draws us closer to Allah,” reads one of the ads, which has people debating the line between free speech and hate speech.

“The purpose of our campaign is to show the reality of Jihad, the root causes of terrorism. Using the exact quotes and text that they use,” said Pamela Geller of the American Freedom Defense Institute.

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Geller said the ads were a response to another bus ad campaign earlier this year by the Council on American-Islamic Relations. That campaign sought to disassociate the word “jihad” with violence and reclaim its meaning as “the struggle,” which is a central tenet of Islam.

http://sanfrancisco.cbslocal.com/2013/03/11/killing-jews-is-worship-ad-campaign-rolled-out-on-sf-buses/

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What am I missing? I don't get it

[Adsos Letter]

1. Consider the source.

It's Pamela Geller.

[question everything]

2. Who is she?

A trouble maker with too much money to cause trouble?

And why would the buses even accept these ads?

[dsc]

5. It is very hard for public entities to refuse ads

It becomes a first amendment issue.

[HiPointDem]

22. actually, it's not.

[dsc]

26. yes it is

if you run ads at all, then you can't pick and choose which ads you will and won't run as a public entity.

[jberryhill]

30. You have absolutely no idea what you are talking about here

These kinds of suits are common, and most often won by the plaintiffs.

http://westhollywood.patch.com/articles/aids-walk-organizer-sues-santa-monica-over-bus-ads
AIDS Walk Organizer Sues City Over Bus Ads

Two fellow Santa Monica residents join suit, which alleges the Big Blue Bus advertising policy violates free speech rights.

http://www.post-gazette.com/stories/news/transportation/port-authority-loses-lawsuit-over-nonprofit-bus-ads-351721/


Port Authority loses lawsuit over nonprofit bus ads

A federal judge ruled yesterday that the Port Authority unlawfully discriminated against a nonprofit group by refusing to accept its advertisements designed to inform the public that ex-felons in Pennsylvania have the right to vote.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/06/10/arkansas-atheist-bus-ads_n_874849.html

Arkansas Atheists Sue Over Controversial Bus Ads

(Reuters) - A coalition of atheists is accusing Little Rock's city bus line of violating their rights to free speech in a fight to place ads on public buses praising a God-free lifestyle.


http://dailycaller.com/2013/02/04/lawsuit-forces-chicago-to-accept-anti-jihad-bus-ads/

Lawsuit forces Chicago to accept anti-jihad bus ads

The Chicago Transit Authority has agreed to display plain-spoken anti-jihad ads on city buses, following a lawsuit by the American Freedom Law Center.

[HiPointDem]

34. actually, all those suits occurred because the ads were REFUSED.

[jberryhill]

35. Yes, and?

Looking at the thread here, dsc said "It is very hard for public entities to refuse ads. It becomes a first amendment issue."

To which you replied "Actually it's not."

And then, in response to being confronted with a set of first amendment lawsuits against public entities for refusing ads, you say "all those suits occurred because the ads were REFUSED."

Well, no shit. That was dsc's point.

[HiPointDem]

37. It's very easy for them to refuse ads, which is what they did in every one of these cases. and

not everyone who is refused, sues.

[jberryhill]

38. This outfit in particular, sues

That's a demonstrated fact.

It's the entire reason why they do this.

[Guy Whitey Corngood]

15. Oh dude, if you have the stomach:

[Adsos Letter]

20. A very nasty piece of work, that "lady" is.

I do believe she would hang every Muslim from the nearest tree, given the opportunity.

[R. Daneel Olivaw]

29. Wow, what gall.

Geller says that it's okay to depict Mohamed with the head of a pig saying "I don't know where it is in America that you can't make jokes or make fun...", but I can bet she would be screaming if somebody depicted her in an anti-Semitic way.

[LittleBlue]

3. Pamela Geller, countering the extremism of jihadists with her own

The woman is looney. A Muslim must have killed her dog.

[sarisataka]

4. It is the same as many other claims

made today that take the words and actions of a few and apply them to every member of the group.

Just because 'jihad' is a tenet of Islam, not all who follow Islam are terrorists. It has been explained to me by Muslims that terrorist "jihad" is equivalent to heresy, perverting the true meaning of the term in Islamic teachings.

[OldDem2012]

6. So, how many Catholics took part in the Spanish Inquisition, or enabled the Holocaust, or....

....actively preyed on young boys while the Catholic organization itself tried to keep it all a secret?

Actions of a few? I guess that depends on your definition of the word "few"?

[sarisataka]

8. I will tap dance on the edge

of TOS

How many Democrats owned slaves, opposed rights for women and blacks, are active in Washington, the military and intelligence agencies in extrajudicial drone strikes in nations we are not in conflict with, supporting and maintaining Guantanamo, violating protected rights under the aegis of the Patriot act...

Or do you believe all Muslims are terrorists, all Catholics are criminal enablers, all...

[dlwickham]

9. and yet those who are terrorists aren't condemned by too many other Muslims

in fact, they're supported financially by countries such as Saudi Arabia and Iran which have Islam as their state religions

[Gravitycollapse]

11. You don't know a lot of Muslims, do you?

I hate religion. Yet I can recognize that the vast, vast majority of Muslims do not support terrorism.

[dlwickham]

27. but do they speak out

and do they condemn countries like Saudi Arabia and Iran for their funding of terrorist groups

have they condemned the Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt for their past comments and actions

did they ever condemn the Taliban in Afghanistan

[jberryhill]

32. Yes, they do

But they are ignored by people like you, who don't listen.

http://www.ciogc.org/go.aspx?link=7655053

American Muslim groups have repeatedly issued statements condemning terrorism in all forms wherever it has risen, not because they are asked to, but because of the basic Islamic principle that no one has the right to take innocent life. They have done so from the beginning of the spate of attacks in the name of Islam, since the events of September 11, 2001 when a coalition of leading Muslim groups condemned the attacks on the World Trade Center and the Pentagon. Continuing to do so, they work with law enforcement agencies on all levels to curb extremism. American Muslims say that terrorists pervert their religion and that they are just as concerned as anyone about the future and safety of our families.


http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-15044797

Muslim peace conference condemns terrorism

Thousands of Muslims have attended a peace conference in London which has condemned terrorism.

About 12,000 Muslims gathered at Wembley Arena for Islamic group Minhaj-ul-Quran's Peace for Humanity Conference.

[sarisataka]

13. I do not dispute

the condemnation of terrorism is rather weak.
I have spent time in SA and met the 'man on the street'. John Doe of SA believe terrorists may be trying to help but only make 'John' look bad. He would rather the money that goes to support terrorist be invested in programs which would help 'John'. Not everyone in SA is a Sheikh.

[ProgressiveProfessor]

14. But sometimes it is more accepted even protected than others

Posters here say anyone who supports gun rights is a LaPierre support and use his words to tar all of us. Many applaud. One even claims that all gun owners have blood on their hands and there is no blowback. Yet when Geller does it to Muslims and all of a sudden its unacceptable behavior.

Just saying...

[sarisataka]

16. Well aware Prof

I carry a lot of LaPierre tar for having a stance supported by the minority

There are unwritten rules about what hate is tolerated and what hate is forbidden. I am in the mood of tilting at windmills today

[dlwickham]

7. is the quote wrong or in any way inaccurate

[Gravitycollapse]

10. The implied message is in fact very inaccurate.

[Gravitycollapse]

18. I'm talking about the intent of the bus ad.

Which is to portray Islam as the religion of terrorists.

[ProgressiveProfessor]

21. My bad...wrong thread...too many windows open

[Scootaloo]

19. Actually, yes

It's a quote taken from a music video made by Hamas' al-Qassam Brigade (...Who knew?) which states that "killing the occupiers is worship that draws us closer to Allah." The word Jew (yahood) is actually not used. Still not pleasant, but not exactly what it's claimed to be.

And even if it were, putting the words of Hamas into the mouths of every Muslim is indefensible.

[dlwickham]

25. who are the "occupiers"

other than Israelis

Hasn't Hamas vowed to drive Israel into the sea or was the Hezbollah

either way, Hamas is attacking Jews and other Israelis

[Scootaloo]

36. "Israelis" does not equal "Jews"

That is to say, they probably don't give a damn about your uncle Hershel in Orlando one way or another.

At any rate, Gellar is using an inaccurate quote to blanket all Muslims.

[dlwickham]

39. Israel is a "Jewish" state

[Scootaloo]

40. I'm a frequent poster in I/P if you really want to argue over the subject

However, until then I'm just going to make a big, big, unsupported assumption, that you understand and agree that using a false quote from hamas to characterize all Muslims, is not acceptable.

[KamaAina]

33. "Using the exact quotes and text that they use"

Or not.

[arely staircase]

12. The purpose of our campaign is to show the reality of Jihad, the root causes of terrorism.

mission accomplished.

[HiPointDem]

23. that ad was in response to ads like this.

My Jihad's Facebook page calls for "taking back Jihad, one hashtag at a time, from anti-Muslim and Muslim extremists". From the website:

MyJihad is a public education campaign that seeks to share the proper meaning of Jihad as believed and practiced by the majority of Muslims. Jihad means "struggling in the way of God". The way of God, being goodness, justice, passion, compassion, etc. It is putting up the good fight against whatever odds or barriers you face in your life.

The ads range from religious interpretations to personal battles, reflecting the wide range of meanings of "jihad", which literally means "struggle".

http://stream.aljazeera.com/story/fighting-islamophobia-myjihad-0022440

[Comrade Grumpy]

24. I'll give Geller credit: This is a nice way to cause a big, messed up stink.

She gets to flaunt her inflammatory Islamophobia.

She gets to accuse people who want to get rid of the ads of censorship.

And she gets to get people arguing about whether all Muslims are terrorists or not.

She's like guns: I wish we could just wish her away.

[question everything]

28. In short - a propaganist who will use any venue

to get attention like... Joe McCarthy, Ann Coulter, and all the other nuts who know they will get face time on cable TV by saying the craziest things.

Sigh..

[Tommy_Carcetti]

31. Strawmanning is oh so fun!

But whatelse would you expect from Pam Geller?