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marmar

(77,066 posts)
Thu Mar 14, 2013, 09:08 AM Mar 2013

Morning Jo(k)e: Why Joe Scarborough and the Beltway austerians think Nobelist Paul Krugman is a nut


from In These Times:


Morning Jo(k)e
Why Joe Scarborough and the Beltway austerians think Nobelist Paul Krugman is a nut.

BY Chris Lehmann


Krugman, a Nobelist at Princeton who knows a thing or two about how budgets and economies work, contended that the long-term debt of the United States was of no great immediate concern and that, so long as demand remained slack and the labor market sluggish, federal deficit spending was a sensible way to promote growth.

For Scarborough, Krugman’s unexceptional explanation of basic Keynesian macroeconomics was a heretical thoughtcrime. After the show, Scarborough briskly took to his Politico column to announce that Krugman had defied “conventional wisdom across the Western world.” But that meritless claim was insufficiently sweeping for Politico’s headline writers, who titled the outburst “Paul Krugman vs. the World.”

In both instances, of course, “the world” in question is the myopic Beltway axis of media punditry, which holds that under all conditions, government must be trimmed. As Krugman pointed out in his “Morning Joe” appearance, that policy outlook makes zero sense when a nation is struggling to emerge from a recession. No ailing economy in modern history has managed to revive itself by pursuing budget austerity—as illustrated in distressingly clear detail by the worsening slumps in Britain and Spain, whose governments adopted classic neoliberal budget-slashing in response to their economic woes.

But mere empirical evidence can never penetrate the monomania of the Beltway media elite. So when Scarborough came across some richly deserved ridicule in the progressive blogosphere, he fired back with a follow-up on Politico titled “Paul Krugman economics: Deny, deny, deny!” Here our vigilant enforcer of the austerity consensus decries Krugman’s “extreme view” as fatally “at odds with liberal Keynesians” and cites as proof an Atlantic Monthly piece by Alan Blinder, a colleague of Krugman’s in Princeton’s economics department. Unfortunately, Blinder’s allegedly argument-settling thesis called not for instant and steep slashes to government spending, but said rather that the main driver of higher government costs was the out-of-control price of healthcare services. Without broadly distributed reductions in healthcare spending, Blinder said, slashing other government expenditures would make little real headway. ....................(more)

The complete piece is at: http://inthesetimes.com/article/14721/morning_joke/



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Morning Jo(k)e: Why Joe Scarborough and the Beltway austerians think Nobelist Paul Krugman is a nut (Original Post) marmar Mar 2013 OP
Paul Krugman forgets more about economics before breakfast than Joey Scarborough ever knew. yellowcanine Mar 2013 #1
Scarborough is a legend in his own mind AndyA Mar 2013 #2
Life is short. Why is anyone still watching Scarborough? JDPriestly Mar 2013 #3
Good fucking question. lonestarnot Mar 2013 #4
Masochism? nt Guy Whitey Corngood Mar 2013 #6
Old GOP BS coldbeer Mar 2013 #5
It's not just GOP BS NewJeffCT Mar 2013 #9
Joe who mtasselin Mar 2013 #7
This guy is an actor trying to keep his ratings up and gain legitimacy by using Paul Krugman as a xtraxritical Mar 2013 #8
"Everything You Just Said Is Untrue" DallasNE Mar 2013 #10
Joe Scarborough and the Beltway austerians are frauds Yavin4 Mar 2013 #11

AndyA

(16,993 posts)
2. Scarborough is a legend in his own mind
Thu Mar 14, 2013, 09:38 AM
Mar 2013

He's going to pop someday from being so puffed up over himself. Truly, he thinks he's wonderful.

I wish Mika would put him in his place on the air. Instead, she looks away, rolls her eyes, squirms in her chair, purses her mouth, sighs, etc., indicating her displeasure but rarely does she really get in his face.

I think Mika is much smarter than Joe, but it seems she's been told to just sit there and be herself (pretty), but don't try to add too much to the conversation, let Joe do it.

JDPriestly

(57,936 posts)
3. Life is short. Why is anyone still watching Scarborough?
Thu Mar 14, 2013, 10:49 AM
Mar 2013

Or most of television for that matter?

We could be reading history, seriously informing ourselves?

Listen to Pacifica radio instead. We can all learn something from Pacifica's shows (although I don't agree with all of them at all, but they are informative in general).

http://www.pacifica.org/

http://www.pacificaradioarchives.org/

http://www.kpfk.org/

It is listener-funded radio.

Here is the link to live listening (I hope).

http://www.kpfk.org/listen-live.html

coldbeer

(306 posts)
5. Old GOP BS
Thu Mar 14, 2013, 10:52 AM
Mar 2013

He is a liar so I do not watch his show.
He knows we know he is lying. So, I am
kept up to date here on DU. I wait for
Martin Bashir before I turn on MSNBC.
Then they are all good. I slip in Cjenk
on the evening schedule.

NewJeffCT

(56,828 posts)
9. It's not just GOP BS
Thu Mar 14, 2013, 11:25 AM
Mar 2013

A lot of Democrats and media elites buy into the idea of we must reduce our deficit.

mtasselin

(666 posts)
7. Joe who
Thu Mar 14, 2013, 11:06 AM
Mar 2013

That is a great morning show, but it would be better without him. The show has a second to none format and with all the quest that they have on getting rid of him would only be a benefit. Not that I would ever forget wasn't he a congressman, oh yea hear that about 2 times a day and what a great American he was for opposing Clinton. Enough about him, but I am sure he is a real nice guy.

 

xtraxritical

(3,576 posts)
8. This guy is an actor trying to keep his ratings up and gain legitimacy by using Paul Krugman as a
Thu Mar 14, 2013, 11:10 AM
Mar 2013

foil. Why Krugman plays along I can't figure, except he wants to keep his ratings up too.

History is replete with examples of austerity not working and making bad economic situations worse. It was a disaster when Hoover used it in the 1930s, it currently has been disastrous and disavowed in Greece, Spain, Italy, Germany, Great Britain, and many other countries.

DallasNE

(7,402 posts)
10. "Everything You Just Said Is Untrue"
Thu Mar 14, 2013, 12:23 PM
Mar 2013

When Ben Bernanke recently testified before the Senate and a Republican Senator said to Bernanke the same basic things as Scarborough is saying here Bernanke's response was "everything you just said is untrue". This makes Scarborough at odds with not only Krugman but also Bernanke.

Yavin4

(35,427 posts)
11. Joe Scarborough and the Beltway austerians are frauds
Thu Mar 14, 2013, 12:36 PM
Mar 2013

They don't want austerity at all. What they want is the following:

1. When a Republican is president, they want across the board tax cuts, which mostly favor the rich and explode the size of the deficit.

2. When a Democrat is president, they want the Democrat to cut govt. services in order to pay off the deficit.

That's what they want. This is a political tatic vs. an economic policy.

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