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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsBiden announces program targeting domestic homicides
The new program, which is being called the Domestic Violence Homicide Prevention Demonstration Initiative, is modeled after state initiatives in Maryland and Massachusetts and is aimed at helping county and municipal government officials better monitor high-risk offenders and identify potential victims.
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The vice president noted that from 2009 to 2012, 40% of mass shootings those with four or more victims killed started with the shooter targeting his girlfriend, wife or ex-wife, according to the White House. And Biden repeated a factoid -- often noted by advocates for tighter gun control such as the Mayors Against Illegal Guns -- that in states that require a background check for private handgun sales, 38% fewer women are shot to death by their intimate partners.
"The issue of domestic violence and reducing gun violence are connected," Biden said. "That's why the president and I believe that every person who buys a gun -- every person -- should have a criminal background check."
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http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2013/03/13/biden-domestic-homicide-program/1984261/
The Straight Story
(48,121 posts)Cause one requires a lot more work and is the real problem.
redqueen
(115,096 posts)Are they funding mental health and addiction services for anyone who needs these services?...Yeah, I didn't think so..
madinmaryland
(64,920 posts)And then someone dies.
pipoman
(16,038 posts)Guns aren't going anywhere. I fully support, and have for years, statutorily making NICS available to anyone who wishes to use it....right now, there is no access to NICS for private sales..(the fictitiously named "gun show loophole" ..I also support states requiring background checks on private sales..of course it won't be happening in most states because NICS isn't available for private sales leaving the state to fund their own background check system (stupid duplication of services and we still have the serial noncompliance of reporting to NICS by these states instead of absolute compliance because of their own reliance on the system)..
No, mental health services and addiction services access for anyone who wants or needs it would get to the cause of a lot of homicide/mass killers..guns don't cause people to murder each other..
graham4anything
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pipoman
(16,038 posts)the serial liar, and authoritarian Bloomberg in this way is demeaning to him and the vice presidency..he will never be elected to the presidency in 2016...he will suffer the same fate as Al did, unfortunately..
graham4anything
(11,464 posts)Joe will not run seriously for President. Mike and Gabbie won't either.
He will run to flank Hillary and knock the wind out of any nevergonnabe attempt.
But Hillary Rodham Clnton is #45 and she hates guns as much as Obama and Biden and Bloomberg do.
In general, most women do not like guns. And this is the decade of the women, which is why Conn. was one event too many, and the end of the NRA forever.
(note the gunshows-almost all pictures posted from gunshows are nearly 100% are white males, same as those who parade outside town halls, same as mass murderer extremist assasssins in schools, supermarkets, anywhere.)
Note the democratic party- 80% of the democratic party is not at gun shows).
Women are going to be the future end of the NRA and the bullet in the street.
And Hillary is the name of the next President who shall lead the way.
pipoman
(16,038 posts)graham4anything
(11,464 posts)Who will be the last child who dies til it happens, and it will happen.
Why wait any longer?
Ta Ta NRA. You have met a faster gunslinger and his name is The Great Equalizer, Meek Mike.
The David that slew Goliath.
the Dragonslayer.
The END. Finis to the NRA.
So long, farewell, goodbye. And good riddance.
pipoman
(16,038 posts)graham4anything
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etherealtruth
(22,165 posts)Recursion
(56,582 posts)We're moving in the right direction, finally.
Demo_Chris
(6,234 posts)I recall some mighty big promises during the campaign.
pipoman
(16,038 posts)Bloomberg's band of merry liars is a lie until proven otherwise. Every time Bloomberg opens his mouth on this issue blatant demonstrable lies drop out, this is more than likely no exception...
"And Biden repeated a factoid -- often noted by advocates for tighter gun control such as the Mayors Against Illegal Guns -- that in states that require a background check for private handgun sales, 38% fewer women are shot to death by their intimate partners."
Yeah, let's see the source of these statistics..simply not buying it...Chicago and NY don't have 38% less domestic homicides than, say, Iowa...
That said, it will require more than "factoids" to do anything about private intrastate sales..either yet another corruption of the commerce clause, or nothing is exactly what will be happening on this issue..if the former happens it will become a problem by the precedent it sets, or it will be quickly struck down by the courts..if the latter happens, it will never be revealed why, only that the rethugs did it, which helps nothing. No, complete authoritarians like Bloomberg are a danger to democracy and hearing the administration parroting his nonsense is unsettling...outlawing coca cola and ear buds isn't far behind..
graham4anything
(11,464 posts)38% doesn't mean total number.
It means based on people in the state made into a percentage.
So that Iowa indeed has more than NY or Chicago based on # people/ # incidents/ #declined
(not the total #).
But then you know that.
But minutia distraction is common when talking nra sound bytes.
Like who gives a sheet which size gun or name of gun. Ban ALL bullets and Ban the NRA.
Long as there is but ONE legal gun in the hands of private person in the streets, all illegal guns can't be stopped, and almost all of these mass asssassin extremists have legal guns anyhow.
The NRA is dead, but it takes like the Knight who said Ni, far too long for it to drop to the ground.
Thank God and Obama and Biden and Giffords and Bloomberg and Common Sense for that.
Gun murderer/killers/assasssins/extremists are more terror than all the terrorist put together.
35 people a day.(or is it 36?)
the NRA killings are everyday/everywhere/unknown reasons/unknown places, no one can live without the fear another day another killing.
And 100% it is the NRA extortion of candidates that has allowed this infestation to continue.
$1 more than the NRA is all it takes to shut these terroristic NRA orgs. down.
Never has a terroristic organ. with a madman leader like Wayne LeNutJob been given such access to the media. Shut him down, turn him off, and freeze any/all assets of their terroristic org. so that they cannot finance candidates and blackmail them.
pipoman
(16,038 posts)I was speaking in terms of % of population, and again, I'm not buying it...especially since it comes from the known liar Bloomberg..
I left boogie men in my childhood. The NRA is a org which has around 3 million members and it will stay that way...maybe more with gun control on the front burner. Right now much of the gun control talk in Washington is being vetted through the NRA. A larger percentage of gun owners (the 100-150 million people who own guns that is) vote than the population in general. It isn't the NRA who summarily passed concealed carry in 49 states, and I'm not aware of a single one of the 49 who has an active movement to repeal concealed carry...on the contrary, it seems the 50th state is moving ever closer to enacting legislation. It has passed state by state by state..not by circumventing and distorting the commerce clause or any other state's rights. When private sale background checks dies once again in committee, not because of the NRA, but because the judiciary committees realize, once again, that they are powerless on this issue due to the commerce clause, will gun control advocates begin working at the state level as it must be? or will they curl up until the next tragedy, then come out and push the same impossible group of bills once again?
The NRA isn't going to be "shut down", "turned off", there will be no "freeze any/all assets". Please list any candidate who has accused the NRA of "blackmailing them"...then show how that "blackmail" differs from the "blackmail" of Koch's, banks, virtually every freeper trade group from big agriculture to big donuts? Answer..it isn't any different...the NRA will not lobby when lobbyists are outlawed..
Oh, and just out of curiosity, which gun control group is going to stand up and pick up the role of training gun owners firearms safety, law enforcement firearms training, and virtually every other armed professional training? Yeah, I know, all guns will vaporize in January 2017 when Hillary swears in, eh?
graham4anything
(11,464 posts)then it shall be done
The 5 to 4 court will one day be 7 to 2 or 8 to 1 and a reinterpretation will occur
with no further laws needed
as one can't privately own a bunker busting bomb or shoulder to air missile, which would be covered now under #2 wouldn't it
HiPointDem
(20,729 posts)Jennicut
(25,415 posts)I have worked with children taken out of homes and placed into group homes. It was from neglect and abuse that they were removed from their homes. I had to read all their case files when I worked at the group home as a counselor. Some of them were from poor families, some of them were not. I do think poverty can add stress but being middle class or rich still does not prevent violence against your boyfriend/girlfriend/children. It has to do with attitudes in society and how troubled that person is themselves when they choose to use violence against others. Having a gun around just makes it worse.
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)Iran's executions of gays is above criticism because they oppose Obama, etc etc.
So, in this case, preventing intimate partner murders of women is bad, becaues it's the Obama administration's idea.