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Rep. Paul Ryan (R-WI) told CBS' "Face The Nation" Sunday that he believes Obamacare will "destroy" the country's health care system, even though his budget assumes key savings from the law.
"I really believe it's going to destroy the health care system in America," Ryan said. "We believe the law will collapse under its own weight and that people will be eager for alternatives as the gorey details unfold in the future with its implementation."
Ryan's budget calls for the repeal of Obamacare, although it includes the deficit reduction from the law's tax hikes and Medicare spending cuts.
http://livewire.talkingpointsmemo.com/entry/ryan-obamacare-will-destroy-americas-health-care-system
Know why Ryan and Republicans are so dead set against ACA? It did the unthinkable: raised taxes on the rich.
There is a debate about the impact of the recent tax deal, but simple arithmetic shows the reality.
Pre Bush tax cuts: lowest tax bracket 15 percent and top tax bracket 39.6 percent.
Bush tax cuts: lowest tax bracket 10 percent and top tax bracket 35 percent.
President Obama's tax deal, lowest rate 10 percent, top rate 39.6 percent.
Do the math and it will show that the gap between someone earning $50,000 and someone earning $500,000 closed to more than what it was in the 1990s. Add the health care law tax and the gap closes even more.
Perhaps the best prism through which to see the Democrats gains is inequality. In the 2008 campaign, Mr. Obama said that his top priority as president would be to create bottom-up economic growth and reduce inequality...In the 2009 stimulus, he insisted on making tax credits fully refundable, so that even people who did not make enough to pay much federal tax would benefit. The 2010 health care law overhaul was probably the biggest attack on inequality since it began rising in the 1970s, increasing taxes on businesses and the rich to pay for health insurance largely for the middle class.
http://www.nytimes.com/2013/01/03/us/politics/for-obama-fiscal-deal-is-a-victory-that-also-holds-risks.html
Some notes for myself: how much impact have Obamas policies actually had on current and prospective inequality?
The main policies to consider are PPACA (the health reform) and ATRA (the fiscal cliff deal with its associated tax rise).
Im not a fan of the Tax Foundations work, but their analysis of the distributional effects of Obamacare looks about right: significant benefits to the bottom half of the income distribution, paid for largely by taxes on the top few percent (the Medicare surcharge and the extra tax on investment income). The Tax Policy Center whose work I do trust has the Act reducing the after-tax income of the top 1 percent by 1.8 percent, the top 0.1 percent by 2.5 percent.
Meanwhile, ATRA raises taxes relative to a continuation of the Bush high-end tax cuts: after-tax income down 4.5 percent for the 1-percenters, 6.2 percent for the top 0.1 percent.
Putting this together, we have a roughly 6 percent hit to the 1 percent, around 9 to the superelite. Thats only a partial rollback of these groups huge gains since 1980, but its not trivial.
http://krugman.blogs.nytimes.com/2013/01/20/obama-and-redistribution/
Do the math.
ProSense
(116,464 posts)Fawke Em
(11,366 posts)It needs to be torn down and rebuilt with a lot more accessibility for the poor and middle class.
bemildred
(90,061 posts)At this point, trashing the whole thing and starting over doesn't sound so bad.
kestrel91316
(51,666 posts)due to the exchanges and subsidies. So I beg to differ.
People will DIE if we trash the whole thing, who wouldn't otherwise. And I could very well be one of them.
Your lack of concern for the less-than-wealthy is duly noted.
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Marr
(20,317 posts)Many of us thought it was time to actually see that people get health CARE, but luckily for the health insurance industry, their friends/servants in government managed to turn that popular sentiment into a rescue of the private insurance industry. Health *insurance* is not health *care*, and I could actually point you to a list of cases in which the former actually prevented the latter.
...my point was that they're not trying to kill it because they love it, and they certainly don't like the tax increase.
Also, the expansion of Medicaid is huge.
Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin
(107,922 posts)ProSense
(116,464 posts)We still have over 30 million Americans who cannot see a doctor when they are sick. According to this Harvard study, adjusting for gender, race, smoking, weight, and just about everything else that you can think of, in any given year, the uninsured are 40% more likely to die than the insured are. That results in 44,789 additional deaths in America each year. All of which are avoidable.
This is more than twice the number of homicides in America.
It is more than ten times the number of deaths on 9/11. And it happens every year.
Do you think that we should solve this problem? I do.
And the Democratic Party does. Which is why we passed health care reform. And why we brought the wrath of lobbyists and their sewer money down on our heads in the last election over $65 million by the Chamber of Commerce and Karl Roves American Crossroads alone.
I see one party taking on the special interests and enacting laws to keep Americans alive, and assure that you can see a doctor when you are sick. Like in every other industrialized country in the world.
And the other partys health care plan? Dont get sick. They keep pushing this ridiculous notion that people are uninsured because they dont want insurance, when polling has showed that up to 90% of the uninsured are uninsured because they cant afford insurance.
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2011/1/20/937697/-What-I-Didnt-Hear
Skidmore
(37,364 posts)the healthcare system was the Republican plan? I'm sure there is video somewhere.
ProSense
(116,464 posts)http://maddowblog.msnbc.com/_news/2013/03/12/17286141-ryans-unfortunate-slip
napkinz
(17,199 posts)Zoeisright
(8,339 posts)His projection is so blatantly obvious he has a mirror in front of him at all times.
otohara
(24,135 posts)for prescriptions drugs than any other place on the planet?
Rex
(65,616 posts)Ryan is such a loser/idiot.
ProSense
(116,464 posts)Rex
(65,616 posts)Nixon and Agnew. Time for Obamacare to become the norm.
ProSense
(116,464 posts)Obama-care will be the only thing that will lead us to more progressive reform like single payer. This old system is total crap.