On the DU Catholic strife

[DonCoquixote]

There are two facts that both sides are trying to dance around:

FACT ONE: Even if you hate what the Hierarcy does with your money, when you put money in the collection plate, it will be used to HURT people. Yes, some of it may go to that soup kitchen, or that hospital, but the people in charge will see this money, and take whatever share they term fair for their own purpose, including making life more hard for Gays, or anyone else that they disapprove of.

I do not take this lightly, as I was going to be a priest at one point. However, I realized that, no matter how much I would "work within the system" that I would be called upon to defend things I knew were WRONG.

Now, on the other hand.

FACT TWO: If the Church is to change, it will do so because of it's liberal members; therefore, if you chase the liberals out, you make the Vatican's job EASIER.

If everyone at DU left, the same creeps we hate would celebrate, because they could achieve cohesion,and get plenty of money from the Rich people who would make up any difference. Look at the Tea Party. Yes, on paper, the Tea Party should be a wreck, but their very actions are what make the rich shovel gold into the furnace, and they know that just by being persistent and cohesive, they get what they want. The Vatican is the same.

Also, any force that cannot infiltrate and influence the other side is a losing side; if nothing else, think of the Catholic Duers or people who can help UNDERMINE THE VATICAN, which is the name of the game.

[dkf]

1. The Catholic Church does more for people in need than most religions.

Take the good and realize that a religion that doesn't believe in sex for reasons other than procreation isn't going to embrace homosexuality.

[liberal_at_heart]

2. American nuns stood up to the Vatican this past year

yes, it is harder to work within the system because your boss will demand that you defend the practices. But just because the boss demands something doesn't mean you have to oblige. You are absolutely correct that it is the liberals in the church that will ultimately change it and are changing it. I've heard lots of Catholic DUers who say they don't give a dime to the church. They give their money to local charities, so their money is not hurting people.