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kpete

(71,961 posts)
Mon Mar 18, 2013, 08:20 AM Mar 2013

KRUGMAN: "Always be skeptical & Never Rely On Supposed Authority"

Paul Krugman, drawing an analogy between "everyone knows there are WMD in Iraq" and "everyone knows the deficit is the problem", asks a simple question:

What we should have learned from the Iraq debacle was that you should
always be skeptical and that you should never rely on supposed
authority. If you hear that “everyone” supports a policy, whether it’s a
war of choice or fiscal austerity, you should ask whether “everyone”
has been defined to exclude anyone expressing a different opinion. And
policy arguments should be evaluated on the merits, not by who expresses
them; remember when Colin Powell assured us about those Iraqi W.M.D.’s?

Unfortunately, as I said, we don’t seem to have learned those lessons. Will we ever?



http://www.nytimes.com/2013/03/18/opinion/krugman-marches-of-folly.html?hp&_r=0
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KRUGMAN: "Always be skeptical & Never Rely On Supposed Authority" (Original Post) kpete Mar 2013 OP
Which is why I don't take Krugman's word, as he is the Op Ed authority in the NY Times graham4anything Mar 2013 #1
Can you point to a few specific times that Krugman's changed his positions? MannyGoldstein Mar 2013 #2
He is an authority, therefore his own headline says don't trust authority graham4anything Mar 2013 #4
You seem to have completely missed the point of his column. edhopper Mar 2013 #5
oh come on G-dogg, we know you luvs you some authority, blindly and without question Dragonfli Mar 2013 #7
I don't think PasadenaTrudy Mar 2013 #19
He said question authority not disbelieve authority. Bandit Mar 2013 #20
Good thing you didn't listen to him about edhopper Mar 2013 #3
That concept has always worked extremely well for me. nt Zorra Mar 2013 #6
Question Authority. Eschew Obfuscation. nt Bernardo de La Paz Mar 2013 #8
Will we ever? chervilant Mar 2013 #9
One of the most valuable lessons I learned in college was - always ask how do you know? jwirr Mar 2013 #10
That's how I was raised, and how we've raised our girls. Always Question Authority....essential. NRaleighLiberal Mar 2013 #11
I tell mine to not take anything I say at face value, either. randome Mar 2013 #12
Yes - questioning authority means questioning us as well. NRaleighLiberal Mar 2013 #13
And the paradox is, they respect me and listen to me more often! randome Mar 2013 #14
This is why Texas wants to stop teaching critical thinking skills in school siligut Mar 2013 #15
I have to sigh. I have been reading Krugman for a very long time and he has NEVER been wrong in all CTyankee Mar 2013 #16
I recall being fully aware ten plus years ago that there were no WMDs in SheilaT Mar 2013 #17
Yeah well, being right is no qualification for anything in America. Popularity and the Egalitarian Thug Mar 2013 #18
Timothy Leary is NOT dead, bvar22 Mar 2013 #21
He's outside looking in bananas Mar 2013 #22
 

graham4anything

(11,464 posts)
1. Which is why I don't take Krugman's word, as he is the Op Ed authority in the NY Times
Mon Mar 18, 2013, 08:29 AM
Mar 2013

and he makes much money off his 2013 persona which may or may not be his 2012 persona or his 2014 one, which ever way the $$$ he makes keeps flowing.

BTW, I hope in 2014, that the NY Times is finally sold and returns to its old glory, with new owner Mike Bloomberg.

 

MannyGoldstein

(34,589 posts)
2. Can you point to a few specific times that Krugman's changed his positions?
Mon Mar 18, 2013, 08:57 AM
Mar 2013

I've been reading his stuff closely for > 20 years, and I've not known him to change positions often. On the other hand, time has proven him right more often than anyone I know of.

 

graham4anything

(11,464 posts)
4. He is an authority, therefore his own headline says don't trust authority
Mon Mar 18, 2013, 09:10 AM
Mar 2013

And he is an authority, so saying don't trust authority, gives me no reason to absolutely, blindly trust him.



edhopper

(33,479 posts)
5. You seem to have completely missed the point of his column.
Mon Mar 18, 2013, 09:14 AM
Mar 2013

Or you want to be contrary for the sake of it.

Dragonfli

(10,622 posts)
7. oh come on G-dogg, we know you luvs you some authority, blindly and without question
Mon Mar 18, 2013, 09:37 AM
Mar 2013

When it comes to Obama and St. Bloom-Earl of NYC.

I admire you for it, it takes guts to post drunk and declare all that is good and bad in the realm with such authority on behalf of authority.

You are one of my favorite new posters, I enjoy the challenge of making sense of some of your finer works of word salad.

Post more often please.

edhopper

(33,479 posts)
3. Good thing you didn't listen to him about
Mon Mar 18, 2013, 09:04 AM
Mar 2013

the Iraq War, the Bush Tax Cuts or the current deficit bullshit.
Obviously you take pride in being wrong.

chervilant

(8,267 posts)
9. Will we ever?
Mon Mar 18, 2013, 10:08 AM
Mar 2013

Probably not before our extinction event. There will still be people lamenting their inability to purchase the bargain du jour, while millions of us struggle to find water ...

NRaleighLiberal

(60,006 posts)
13. Yes - questioning authority means questioning us as well.
Mon Mar 18, 2013, 10:39 AM
Mar 2013

I spend quite a bit of time questioning myself, actually!

CTyankee

(63,889 posts)
16. I have to sigh. I have been reading Krugman for a very long time and he has NEVER been wrong in all
Mon Mar 18, 2013, 10:45 AM
Mar 2013

that time. And there were times I was wishing mightily that he WOULD be wrong!

 

SheilaT

(23,156 posts)
17. I recall being fully aware ten plus years ago that there were no WMDs in
Mon Mar 18, 2013, 11:00 AM
Mar 2013

Iraq. Anyone with half a brain was laughing out loud at the ludicrous "proof", including the drawings a ten year old might have made that Colin Powell showed at the UN. Even back in 1962 we had satellite photos of the missiles in Cuba, but forty years later they could only give us drawings? Really.

Then, of course, there was Scott Ritter, who was screaming to high heaven that there were no WMDs, as well as some other UN inspector whose name I forget.

The only people who believed the Bush cabal were those willing to be bamboozled.

 

Egalitarian Thug

(12,448 posts)
18. Yeah well, being right is no qualification for anything in America. Popularity and the
Mon Mar 18, 2013, 11:01 AM
Mar 2013

ability to convince the gullible are the ultimate qualifications for everything.

It's really too bad that we never try any of the ideas that the merely correct propose.
& R

bvar22

(39,909 posts)
21. Timothy Leary is NOT dead,
Mon Mar 18, 2013, 03:58 PM
Mar 2013

...he has been reincarnated as Paul Krugman!!

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