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geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)
Tue Mar 19, 2013, 04:59 PM Mar 2013

Worst idea of the week: force wireless providers to log ALL text messages

http://news.cnet.com/8301-13578_3-57575039-38/cops-u.s-law-should-require-logs-of-your-text-messages/

AT&T, Verizon Wireless, Sprint, and other wireless providers would be required to capture and store Americans' confidential text messages, according to a proposal that will be presented to a congressional panel today.

The law enforcement proposal would require wireless providers to record and store customers' SMS messages -- a controversial idea akin to requiring them to surreptitiously record audio of their customers' phone calls -- in case police decide to obtain them at some point in the future.

"Billions of texts are sent every day, and some surely contain key evidence about criminal activity," Richard Littlehale from the Tennessee Bureau of Investigation will tell Congress, according to a copy (PDF) of his prepared remarks. "In some cases, this means that critical evidence is lost. Text messaging often plays a big role in investigations related to domestic violence, stalking, menacing, drug trafficking, and weapons trafficking."




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Worst idea of the week: force wireless providers to log ALL text messages (Original Post) geek tragedy Mar 2013 OP
Sure did out those guys in Stuebenville. Just sayin' freshwest Mar 2013 #1
Any abuse of privacy can be used to further legitimate prosecutions. geek tragedy Mar 2013 #2
If there wasn't a law, the service providers would sell the information to anyone including LE. freshwest Mar 2013 #6
in this age of technology hollysmom Mar 2013 #3
I was under the impression they already did that. progressoid Mar 2013 #4
1984 is almost here. razorman Mar 2013 #5
 

geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)
2. Any abuse of privacy can be used to further legitimate prosecutions.
Tue Mar 19, 2013, 05:02 PM
Mar 2013

Note that happened without a federal law requiring it.

freshwest

(53,661 posts)
6. If there wasn't a law, the service providers would sell the information to anyone including LE.
Tue Mar 19, 2013, 05:26 PM
Mar 2013

You left out who is really pushing this, despite the sexy, scarey headline used to sell the con to Congress and consumers:

Cops: U.S. law should require logs of your text messages


Silicon Valley firms and privacy groups want Congress to update a 1986-era electronic privacy law. But if a law enforcement idea set to be presented today gets attached, support for the popular proposal would erode.

House subcommittee chairman Jim Sensenbrenner (center) will preside over today's hearing to discuss updating a 1986 privacy law. A proposal backed by Google, Apple, Twitter, Facebook, and other companies is scheduled to be discussed along with law enforcement-backed proposals.


They want to sell that data, the LE aspect is the sales job for something they've been doing for years.

The giving it to cops to solve crimes is an excuse for another set of contracts communication and social networking sites want to make. Follow the money. It's always made out to be something good, like every damn war and privatization scheme proposed.

The Stuebenville case is the news story they're using to get approval for a plan which has likely been in the works for a long time, and they were looking for sufficient outrage to put this in order. The Patriot Act was huge, written up before 9/11. Most of these bills are.

Very likely, they already got their lawyers to draft the bill all ready to be signed. A few stories to garner public consent, and waa-lah, our problem will be solved by paying these sharks.

Looks like another side of ISPs recording every single keystroke, as usual. It all sucks, but it's all voluntary on our part. People will take the risk because they love using the stuff.

Yes, I'm cynical and don't blame just one group for this.

We as citizens can contact and raise hell, perhaps mitigate this, but it's just another corporate giveaway, not black helicopters coming. Until we grasp that, we're just exchanging one sexy fear for another, they'll use anything for money.

The other thing we can do is not use the services. Most people accept the risk. We know corporations are being sold our web searches to sell us stuff. That is our part - the problem is, that those who care about privacy aren't the main users of social sites and communications.

And wireless is the electronic equivalent of going down the street with a bullhorn telling everyone what you think and do. We know this. Many don't care. JMHO.



hollysmom

(5,946 posts)
3. in this age of technology
Tue Mar 19, 2013, 05:03 PM
Mar 2013

and being very familiar with outsourced companies poor testing records, I figure they will just drown themselves in data without being able to pick out the important ones. It does just increase the randomness of people swelected to be monitored possibly for no reason what so ever.
I am drawing on 40 years in IT watching the super intelligent beings not be given good jobs because of uncorporate behavior and the drones who float to the top who are incapable of doing the job. Last job I had they kept trying to get me to cut testing time, they wanted to put in untested data, but say I tested it just to meet deadlines negotiated by salespeople with no tech input.

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