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XemaSab

(60,212 posts)
Fri Mar 22, 2013, 08:20 PM Mar 2013

Obama’s Nixonian Precedent

ON March 17, 1969, President Richard M. Nixon began a secret bombing campaign in Cambodia, sending B-52 bombers over the border from South Vietnam. This episode, largely buried in history, resurfaced recently in an unexpected place: the Obama administration’s “white paper” justifying targeted killings of Americans suspected of involvement in terrorism.

President Obama is reportedly considering moving control of the drone program from the Central Intelligence Agency to the Defense Department, as questions about the program’s legality continue to be asked. But this shift would do nothing to confer legitimacy to the drone strikes. The legitimacy problem comes from the secrecy itself — not which entity secretly does the killing. Secrecy has been used to hide presidential overreach — as the Cambodia example shows.

On Page 4 of the unclassified 16-page “white paper,” Justice Department lawyers tried to refute the argument that international law does not support extending armed conflict outside a battlefield. They cited as historical authority a speech given May 28, 1970, by John R. Stevenson, then the top lawyer for the State Department, following the United States’ invasion of Cambodia.

Since 1965, “the territory of Cambodia has been used by North Vietnam as a base of military operations,” he told the New York City Bar Association. “It long ago reached a level that would have justified us in taking appropriate measures of self-defense on the territory of Cambodia. However, except for scattered instances of returning fire across the border, we refrained until April from taking such action in Cambodia.”

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/03/22/opinion/obamas-nixonian-precedent.html?_r=0

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graham4anything

(11,464 posts)
1. the Newspaper Talking Head Op Ed writer is financially profiting from this view point
Fri Mar 22, 2013, 08:26 PM
Mar 2013

So it goes without saying that if the Op Ed writer took the other opinion, the book being peddled wouldn't sell.

 

graham4anything

(11,464 posts)
3. More people have died from private US citizens with bullets and guns in just a few months
Fri Mar 22, 2013, 08:42 PM
Mar 2013

than all the drones in history.

Drones have stopped ground man to man fighting and saved millions of deaths.

When the people who want drones stopped, want the NRA gone, and all bullets in the hands of private citizens gone, that is far more important.

lhooq

(35 posts)
4. Richard Milhous Obama
Sat Jun 8, 2013, 08:55 AM
Jun 2013

Lately (early June 2013) there has been lots of talk about a "George W. Obama" parody picture published by Huffington Post on 6 June 2013.

This thread suggests that "Richard Milhous Obama" might be just as appropriate, maybe even more so. Consider Obama's recent attacks on the press and, as in this thread, his expansion of war making independent of Congressional authorization.

The word "Hope" so prominent on the President's 2008 campaign posters has been revised, so it seems, to "Nope". "Yes We Can" is now "No I Won't" (indict Wall Street bankers, seek Congressional approval for drones, promote a single payer health care plan, etc.)

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