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trailmonkee

(2,681 posts)
Thu Mar 28, 2013, 11:56 AM Mar 2013

What Police Found in Adam Lanza's Home:

Last edited Thu Mar 28, 2013, 01:08 PM - Edit history (3)



Reporters are still digging through the documents (you can check out four of the search warrants here), but among the early takeaways:

A Gun Safe: Hartford Courant: "Investigators found a gun safe belonging to Nancy Lanza, the shooter's mother, open and with no evidence that it had been broken into. Adama Lanza shot and killed his mother at their home before going on his rampage at the school, police have said. Police found three photographs of a dead person covered in plastic and blood. The warrants do not indicate whether authorities know the identity of the person. They confiscated a military-style uniform from Adam Lanza's bedroom, the warrants indicate."

1,600 Rounds: CNN: "Investigators found more than 1,600 rounds of ammunition in the house, and a holiday card with a check 'made out to Adam Lanza for the purchase of a C183 (firearm), authored by Nancy Lanza,' according to a search warrant."

Guns as Gifts: Associated Press: "Investigators found a holiday card containing a check made out to Lanza for the purchase of a firearm, authored by his mother, Nancy Lanza. Adam Lanza shot and killed his mother in their Newtown home before driving to the school to carry out the massacre."

Samurai Swords: Yahoo! News: "In addition to several guns inside the home, police also recovered three Samurai swords and long pole with a blade on one side and a spear on the other. Inside the car the shooter drove to the school, officers recovered a 12-gauge shotgun and two magazines containing 70 rounds of ammunition, the documents show."

Reading Material: NBC News: "Also recovered were a National Rifle Association certificate, seven of Lanza’s journals, drawings that he made and books, including an NRA guide to the basics of pistol shooting, authorities said. Other books included Look at Me: My Life with Asperger’s and Born on a Blue Day: Inside the Mind of an Autistic Savant. Among the other items seized were a holiday card containing a check from his mother to buy a firearm, an article from The New York Times about a school shooting at Northern Illinois University and three photographs of what appeared to be a dead person covered with plastic and blood."

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What Police Found in Adam Lanza's Home: (Original Post) trailmonkee Mar 2013 OP
"photographs of what appeared to be a dead person Squinch Mar 2013 #1
police crime scene photos? Blue_Tires Mar 2013 #4
That is what I was wondering too. Jamastiene Mar 2013 #77
This message was self-deleted by its author NYC_SKP Mar 2013 #2
Neither disorder is associated with enhanced risk of social/criminal violence HereSince1628 Mar 2013 #5
And most NRA members don't shoot up a classroom of 6 year olds B2G Mar 2013 #7
Yea, but a lot of NRA members and non-member gun owners do practice for shooting people. Hoyt Mar 2013 #8
Lanza was never a 'responsible gun owner' B2G Mar 2013 #10
And how many of our gun cultists here buy guns for their kids as young a 10 years of age? Hoyt Mar 2013 #39
I am almost 60 and a woman Mojorabbit Mar 2013 #69
Me too. It was a BIG deal to get my first weapon. Hoyt Mar 2013 #72
What about his mother? RoccoR5955 Mar 2013 #42
Adam Lanza was an adult. He was 20 years old. ellisonz Mar 2013 #70
20 yrs old they give you a gun in the army at 18. Historic NY Mar 2013 #80
You know, it may just be a rumor...... Paladin Mar 2013 #93
How do you feel about martial artists? Nuclear Unicorn Mar 2013 #28
Some are like gun toters -- just practicing to beat/intimidate people. But . . . . . . . Hoyt Mar 2013 #38
"I think" will get you into trouble. Nuclear Unicorn Mar 2013 #40
Yet to meet a gun nut who thinks. MoclipsHumptulips Mar 2013 #60
I doubt you're trying. n/t CobblePuller Mar 2013 #63
I don't think it is a lot. I think it is an extreme few. I don't know anyone like that. nt Mojorabbit Mar 2013 #68
The actuarial risks of violence from NRA member and persons with mental illness are both HereSince1628 Mar 2013 #9
Stop making sense. B2G Mar 2013 #11
FUCK the nra spanone Mar 2013 #61
Chances of you getting shot by a bad guy is upaloopa Mar 2013 #52
Isn't "Gun Nuts" a snack food available in sporting goods stores? HereSince1628 Mar 2013 #55
I think you mean corn nuts. They usually sold in gun shops next to the upaloopa Mar 2013 #56
Life liberty and pursuit of happiness marions ghost Mar 2013 #89
But their NRA dues fund the election of politicians who will block legislation PA Democrat Mar 2013 #36
NRA dues do not go for political contributions ProgressiveProfessor Mar 2013 #74
In theory, yes. PA Democrat Mar 2013 #96
Actually in practice too, or the IRS would be all over them ProgressiveProfessor Mar 2013 #97
your key word being "most " ? olddots Mar 2013 #54
But the NRA lobbies for and facilitates it happening. Big difference. morningfog Mar 2013 #85
My opinion is that of a layperson: NYC_SKP Mar 2013 #22
Autistic here Shivering Jemmy Mar 2013 #12
Pardon CBGLuthier Mar 2013 #15
Another law-abiding NRA family, down to the touching geek tragedy Mar 2013 #3
yep looks like she was the head nut in the family- wonder if she fed his already impaired senses lunasun Mar 2013 #6
Your post reminds me of something I read recently... HereSince1628 Mar 2013 #14
Seems nuts to me and I do not work for AP lunasun Mar 2013 #44
You might re-consider your attacks on her after viewing Eleanors38 Mar 2013 #21
Trying to help someone and giving them access geek tragedy Mar 2013 #23
The Dumb ass never knew the sickening damage she contributed to. jmg257 Mar 2013 #31
We don't know what she knew. geek tragedy Mar 2013 #33
She should have known about the dangers of keeping jmg257 Mar 2013 #35
She was a prepper gun nut. geek tragedy Mar 2013 #37
Not even close ProgressiveProfessor Mar 2013 #45
Sorry, what variety of gun nut was she then? geek tragedy Mar 2013 #47
Actually that is one of the key ways to do it... ProgressiveProfessor Mar 2013 #49
"Hard to id the various subspecies..." CobblePuller Mar 2013 #65
"Gun nut" is already a pejorative term, no? nt geek tragedy Mar 2013 #66
Inquisition? ellisonz Mar 2013 #71
She tried to help him...right. The best thing she could have done is to get rid of all her guns. baldguy Mar 2013 #73
Smash his mother. Smash his mother. Smash his mother. Eleanors38 Mar 2013 #75
She allowed this happen through her idiocy. morningfog Mar 2013 #86
I've been saying so for ages malaise Mar 2013 #48
That surprised me too ProgressiveProfessor Mar 2013 #50
Why would he need to force anythng out of her malaise Mar 2013 #57
My daughters had their own firearms from a young age ProgressiveProfessor Mar 2013 #59
I was thinking the same malaise Mar 2013 #62
I understand that when Mom and Dad were still married No Vested Interest Mar 2013 #79
If I thought I was losing a child those weapons would hae been removed from the house malaise Mar 2013 #84
I felt bad because I felt no sympathy for Nancy Lanza. AngryOldDem Mar 2013 #64
Wow! HappyMe Mar 2013 #13
C183? Crepuscular Mar 2013 #16
As far as I know it's a camera kudzu22 Mar 2013 #41
Kind of odd that Adam's brother Ryan Lanza is unheard from in all this. Smarmie Doofus Mar 2013 #17
The father spoke with parent of shooting victim last week. HereSince1628 Mar 2013 #18
The secrecy is kind of weird. In an age where really nothing is secret that oughta be. Smarmie Doofus Mar 2013 #20
I think the avoidance is pretty understandable. HereSince1628 Mar 2013 #27
Yes to most of the above. I don't blame them for WANTING to maintain... Smarmie Doofus Mar 2013 #29
Given the post mortem the mother has received here, Eleanors38 Mar 2013 #76
I agree. People forget that among other things.... Smarmie Doofus Mar 2013 #91
A house of horror... Cooley Hurd Mar 2013 #19
You go pin that scarlet letter on her. She's dead, should be easy. Eleanors38 Mar 2013 #24
If the shoe fits, don't let the dogs drag it off......... lastlib Mar 2013 #32
She's dead? How did that happen? Her son is dead too. jmg257 Mar 2013 #34
are you implying she bears no responsibility in the Newtown massacre? Cooley Hurd Mar 2013 #51
Find her ashes and grind them underfoot. Eleanors38 Mar 2013 #78
Give it a fucking rest. It isn't working. (nt) Paladin Mar 2013 #92
Got it. Since she's dead, we shall not speak of her (or her involvement) again. Cooley Hurd Mar 2013 #94
She was not rational. She was a paranoid extremist who gave her morningfog Mar 2013 #87
Writing the word "link" isn't the same as actually providing a link to your sources. Try again. nt Electric Monk Mar 2013 #25
Fixed Link :) trailmonkee Mar 2013 #26
Whatever this kid's problems were it's easy to see that his mother was probably ... Ganja Ninja Mar 2013 #30
+++ marions ghost Mar 2013 #43
And how do you know she was "woman obsessed with an apocalyptic vision of the future" ProgressiveProfessor Mar 2013 #46
After all the stereotypes nadinbrzezinski Mar 2013 #58
Another example of Michael Moore's point that 90% of the guns are owned by white suburbians. morningfog Mar 2013 #88
What sane person would have a gun in a house like that? There were simply a murder or bluestate10 Mar 2013 #53
What do you mean by "like that"? ProgressiveProfessor Mar 2013 #67
"Outsiders" weren't exactly the problem, were they? jmg257 Mar 2013 #82
Most people who amass weapons to protect themselves from "outsiders" seem to be unaware Moses2SandyKoufax Mar 2013 #83
she needed the comfort of scary looking guns to defend her home and family JI7 Mar 2013 #81
The NRA trained Lanza to be a more accurate shooter. Robb Mar 2013 #90
This blew mind. sfpcjock Mar 2013 #95

Squinch

(50,911 posts)
1. "photographs of what appeared to be a dead person
Thu Mar 28, 2013, 11:58 AM
Mar 2013

covered with plastic and blood."

Jesus, Mary and Frank! What the hell could that be?

Response to trailmonkee (Original post)

HereSince1628

(36,063 posts)
5. Neither disorder is associated with enhanced risk of social/criminal violence
Thu Mar 28, 2013, 12:09 PM
Mar 2013

In the past 3 months there are more than a dozen published commentaries by professionals saying the same thing.

I post this not because you would be dissuaded from your opinion, but merely to offset it for other readers.

 

B2G

(9,766 posts)
7. And most NRA members don't shoot up a classroom of 6 year olds
Thu Mar 28, 2013, 12:11 PM
Mar 2013

But that doesn't stop some people from foaming at the mouth about it here.

 

Hoyt

(54,770 posts)
8. Yea, but a lot of NRA members and non-member gun owners do practice for shooting people.
Thu Mar 28, 2013, 12:19 PM
Mar 2013

Targets resembling humans; melons and bottles that explode like human "heads;" practicing drawing/shooting people in front of mirrors; etc.

Lots of people are just like Lanza, Holmes, Stawicki, Loughner, Zimmerman, son of the NRA's President, etc. -- so-called "responsible gun owners" right up until the shoot someone.
 

Hoyt

(54,770 posts)
39. And how many of our gun cultists here buy guns for their kids as young a 10 years of age?
Thu Mar 28, 2013, 03:20 PM
Mar 2013

Fact is Lanza was a gun nut, drooling over lethal weapons like plenty of other gun cultists who haven't shot or intimidated someone -- yet.


Heck, the son of the President of the NRA shot someone in a road rage incident.

Mojorabbit

(16,020 posts)
69. I am almost 60 and a woman
Thu Mar 28, 2013, 08:26 PM
Mar 2013

and I got my first gun from my Pop when I was ten. Dad and I used to shoot at old cans. It did not use to be a big deal back in the day. Different time.

 

Hoyt

(54,770 posts)
72. Me too. It was a BIG deal to get my first weapon.
Thu Mar 28, 2013, 09:22 PM
Mar 2013

But, that was then.

My dad was an accomplished target shooters, and I loved guns. But darn, this is different. Too many dangerous people with guns nowadays, and not just those who are legally criminal. Would have been better off if the spigot had been restricted way back then.
 

RoccoR5955

(12,471 posts)
42. What about his mother?
Thu Mar 28, 2013, 04:36 PM
Mar 2013

She might have been a "responsible" gun owner.
Pretty amusing that his mother thought that he should have the guns, and since when in the "sacred" second amendment does it specify an age? As a matter of fact, where does it state what kinds of arms one has the right to bear? If these have the same meaning as some would state the "sacred" second amendment has, then there should be no problem with a newborn having a shoulder mounted tactical nuclear missile. After all it is a form of arms, and ANYONE should have the right to keep and "bear" arms, and that right shall not ever be infringed.

Paladin

(28,243 posts)
93. You know, it may just be a rumor......
Fri Mar 29, 2013, 10:50 AM
Mar 2013

....but I've heard that when the Army hands an 18 year-old a firearm, a certain amount of training and rigorous supervision comes with it. As opposed to Adam Lanza's "teachings" from his mother, and his goddamn certificate from the NRA.....
 

Hoyt

(54,770 posts)
38. Some are like gun toters -- just practicing to beat/intimidate people. But . . . . . . .
Thu Mar 28, 2013, 03:01 PM
Mar 2013

On the other hand, it can be good exercise (mind and body). Unless one is bent on beating someone to death at first opportunity, is much less toxic than getting all into guns and crud.

However, I've met a bunch of "martial artists" who are just bullies, similar gun toters.

I think you indicate your are into both.

Nuclear Unicorn

(19,497 posts)
40. "I think" will get you into trouble.
Thu Mar 28, 2013, 03:22 PM
Mar 2013

My dad sent me to Tae Kwon Do lessons for a month back when I was 7. You do your cause a disservice when your every assumption is based on cheap caricatures.

So I won't stop you.

HereSince1628

(36,063 posts)
9. The actuarial risks of violence from NRA member and persons with mental illness are both
Thu Mar 28, 2013, 12:22 PM
Mar 2013

remarkably small. Less than 00.00004% for both. Stereotypes of the dangerousness of legal gun owners as well as persons with mental illness aren't justified by such numbers.


If we play with numbers we can get to frustrating endpoints...examination of the mass shootings since 1982 reveals that 100% of mass shootings involved bullets shot from firearms, and just shy of 53% of mass shooting involved persons who had been diagnosed, or on retrospect had clear symptoms of mental illness.





upaloopa

(11,417 posts)
52. Chances of you getting shot by a bad guy is
Thu Mar 28, 2013, 05:38 PM
Mar 2013

probably less than that but you feel the need to have a gun. Shouldn't people have the right to protect themselves from gun nuts. It is in the constitution. The right to life, liberty and the persuit of happiness.

HereSince1628

(36,063 posts)
55. Isn't "Gun Nuts" a snack food available in sporting goods stores?
Thu Mar 28, 2013, 05:51 PM
Mar 2013

I've never thought I needed much protection from snacks.

upaloopa

(11,417 posts)
56. I think you mean corn nuts. They usually sold in gun shops next to the
Thu Mar 28, 2013, 05:58 PM
Mar 2013

door leading to the shooting range.

marions ghost

(19,841 posts)
89. Life liberty and pursuit of happiness
Fri Mar 29, 2013, 07:50 AM
Mar 2013

those are our rights that are infringed by the NRA.

It is time for change.

PA Democrat

(13,225 posts)
36. But their NRA dues fund the election of politicians who will block legislation
Thu Mar 28, 2013, 02:57 PM
Mar 2013

for universal background checks among other things. The vast majority of their politiccal donations got to REPUBLICANS.

Let me know when you can say the same about people with autism.

ProgressiveProfessor

(22,144 posts)
74. NRA dues do not go for political contributions
Thu Mar 28, 2013, 09:42 PM
Mar 2013

Separate funds are set up and manged for that. Same with just about any non-profit.

PA Democrat

(13,225 posts)
96. In theory, yes.
Sat Mar 30, 2013, 02:31 PM
Mar 2013

But I would counter that the NRA provides in-kind donations with all of the action alert emails they send out to their members, with their website, their scorecards for politicians, etc.

The NRA promotes membership as a means to defend the second amendment. They have become first and foremost a political advocacy group that promotes the election of mostly Republican politicians.

ProgressiveProfessor

(22,144 posts)
97. Actually in practice too, or the IRS would be all over them
Sat Mar 30, 2013, 02:34 PM
Mar 2013

Its the same process as many unions and other organizations use. Well understood.

I know members who belong for the insurance or certifications but don't give a dime to their PACs. If they had alternatives, they would go elsewhere.

 

NYC_SKP

(68,644 posts)
22. My opinion is that of a layperson:
Thu Mar 28, 2013, 12:53 PM
Mar 2013

I'm going to self delete my reply above because it is already being misunderstood.

With the books, the boy was quite possibly trying to understand some emotional or mental issues he was experiencing. Thus, aware of something "in his head".

The mom also seems to have had issues, emotional or social, some kind of blind side to her son's condition and an inexplicable desire to give him guns.

Of course, I don't know either individual, but the books and the ammo indicate problems in the home.

I never meant to suggest anything more than a correlation, not a causation.

Peace.

CBGLuthier

(12,723 posts)
15. Pardon
Thu Mar 28, 2013, 12:33 PM
Mar 2013

That is one hell of a fucking thing to say about those with aspergers.

WTF is it with this inability of some to understand that not every damned person who is not neurotypical is a fucking threat to society?

Between people calling one mentally ill woman a baby killer and now this casual shit comment of yours I have to think some of you lack the empathy of a worm.

 

geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)
3. Another law-abiding NRA family, down to the touching
Thu Mar 28, 2013, 12:02 PM
Mar 2013

gift of a firearm to her child.

Nancy Lanza was complicit in that massacre.

lunasun

(21,646 posts)
44. Seems nuts to me and I do not work for AP
Thu Mar 28, 2013, 04:44 PM
Mar 2013

I had crazy gun nut neighbors that shot a lot of people's property and one neighbor's pets(2) and gave their kids guns - no one in the neighborhood really cared or needed to see an official medical diagnosis to call them crazy or nuts
In fact the police called them nuts AND crazy!!!
I left them alone and moved.
The police calls alone to their house nights were enough noise without the having to watch your back outside. The little ones had BB guns....


Adj. 1. nuts - informal or slang terms for mentally irregular
nuts - informal or slang terms for mentally irregular; "it used to drive my husband nuts"

bats, batty, bonkers, buggy, crackers, daft, dotty, haywire, kookie, kooky, loco, loony, around the bend, balmy, round the bend, wacky, whacky, barmy, loopy, nutty, fruity, cracked
-
Based on WordNet 3.0, © 2003-2012

 

Eleanors38

(18,318 posts)
21. You might re-consider your attacks on her after viewing
Thu Mar 28, 2013, 12:50 PM
Mar 2013

PBS' hours-long documentary about the Sandy Hook shootings and the documentation of how she tried to help him. Enough of the Inquisition.

 

geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)
23. Trying to help someone and giving them access
Thu Mar 28, 2013, 12:55 PM
Mar 2013

to weapons of mass killing seem to be at cross-purposes.

jmg257

(11,996 posts)
31. The Dumb ass never knew the sickening damage she contributed to.
Thu Mar 28, 2013, 02:49 PM
Mar 2013

Hopefully others will learn by her mistakes.

jmg257

(11,996 posts)
35. She should have known about the dangers of keeping
Thu Mar 28, 2013, 02:55 PM
Mar 2013

Firearms in the house. The studies aren't exactly top-secret.

Anyone wishing to be responsible, and she had extra cause for concern, could/should easily have known better.

 

geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)
37. She was a prepper gun nut.
Thu Mar 28, 2013, 02:57 PM
Mar 2013

Kind of like that person who loves poisonous snakes and keeps them all over her house.

ProgressiveProfessor

(22,144 posts)
45. Not even close
Thu Mar 28, 2013, 05:06 PM
Mar 2013

Wrong kind and number of guns. Nothing to indicate the rest of prepper storage was there either.

 

geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)
47. Sorry, what variety of gun nut was she then?
Thu Mar 28, 2013, 05:12 PM
Mar 2013

Hard to id the various subspecies of gun nuts by their arsenals.

ProgressiveProfessor

(22,144 posts)
49. Actually that is one of the key ways to do it...
Thu Mar 28, 2013, 05:26 PM
Mar 2013

More data in the Brit press than has been in the American press up until now (presence of a 22LR). As for gun owner types, I offer up the following:

What kind of gun nut are you?
The term gun nut is tossed around here quite loosely. The problem is no one can agree on what the qualifications are and what separates a "good gun owner" from a gun nut. As the recently appointed worst Gungeoneer, this is my take on it. Though it may not be all inclusive, IME, gun owners fall into distinct groups but share some common features.
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Accidental/Casual: Inherited it, used to hunt 20 years ago etc. Firearm is inactive, in a closet somewhere (unsecured) no one knows where the ammo is.

Self Defense Only: Generally a newer owner, most likely a modern semi automatic handgun. One per adult, with the occasionally a .22LR pistol for low cost practice. No long guns. Meticulous about safety and securing weapons. Likely to have a CCW and carry at least part of the time.

Hunter/Outdoorman: Shotgun(s), hunting rifles which may include semi autos depending on the age of the owner. A hand gun or two, mostly older. A .22LR would be expected. Not always secured well. Might have an AR. Maybe a self defense hand gun or shotgun. Unlikely to have a CCW

Shooting Sports: Long guns depend on the sport, shotguns for clays, rifles for other kinds of shooting. An AR format rifle would be expected. Lots of handguns if a competitor there, otherwise 2-3 would be about the norm. .22LR rifles and pistol would also be there. Maybe a historic piece or two. Cowboy shooters also have a different mix, mostly reproductions of antique designs. Tend to be organized and keeps thing secured. May or may not have a CCW

Collector: Lots of weapons, mostly older, depends on the period of interest. Instead of 44Magnum with a laser sight, you might find a Webley or a SA Colt. Like most shooters .22LR and an AR would not be unusual. Tends to have some in display cases vice safes. Unlikely to have a CCW

Survivalist: Heavy focus on military style weapons with multiple copies within a family. Would also have shotguns, long range rifle, and .22LR weapons. Tend to secure things well and often wants to fly under the radar. Many hide it from friends and even family. Will have a CCW if its available and carries.

Gun Nuts: Different from the above since they focus on guns and not other activities. Rarer than some here think in that their lives revolve around guns. A Hunter type might wear camo in the field. These guys wear camo underwear. These types tend to have diverse and growing collections, without a lot of duplicates. Very big into accessorizing in addition to getting lots of firearms. Tends to secure them but also distributes a few for easy reach. Scary to most other gun owners. Will have a CCW if its available and carries.

Thugs/Criminals: Guns are integral to gang life, they are not called gang bangers for nothing. Guns are a statement of who they are but there goal is respect etc. They have modern pistols, mostly of better quality. Occasional semi auto rifles. All weapons possessed illegally and either stolen or straw purchased. Carries without a CCW. Poorly trained. Most dangerous of all groups and responsible for most gun violence in the country.

I am sure there are more groups that I could enumerate, but that is what comes to mind at the moment.
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Some thoughts on the above: Current numbers of households with firearms are mostly based on self identification, which is always questionable. I am comfortable with about 40-60% of American households having firearms, somewhere close to half. However the number of ones with active shooters is no more than 30%, quite possibly less. This is as much based on my experience than any scientific polls.

Its clear to me than numbers alone or the possession of one kind of firearm or another is not a primary indicator of gun nuttery or which group a person falls into. Its a fair bet that a trap or skeet shooter has many shotguns, but what else they have is impossible to tell. A collector with every WWI bolt action every made probably has an AR as well. Just about every gun owner has has some kind of .22LR.

One thing is clear, is that outside of the first two groups, anyone who is comfortable with firearms and likes using them is going to have a growing collection over time. Most don't sell anything they own. I fall into that category. I have never sold a weapon once I owned it. Its a hassle and I did not want the responsibility and liability. Easier just to move it to the back of the safe. That is changing for me now.

So in summary, there are many different types of gun owners, and most of them IME are not gun nuts (which clearly do exist). The issue is not number, or kind, but intent and attitude.Those not familiar with the different groups lump them all together. That is dumb, but it is happening with increasing frequency ("all gun owners have blood on their hands&quot . It polarizes the debate and ultimately reduces the opportunity for effective dialog and reform.
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Mrs Lanza, by all appearances was a sport shooter more than anything else.


 

baldguy

(36,649 posts)
73. She tried to help him...right. The best thing she could have done is to get rid of all her guns.
Thu Mar 28, 2013, 09:39 PM
Mar 2013
 

Eleanors38

(18,318 posts)
75. Smash his mother. Smash his mother. Smash his mother.
Thu Mar 28, 2013, 10:37 PM
Mar 2013

Smash her with all you got. She is the new enemy.

Above all, do not learn about what she tried to do.

ProgressiveProfessor

(22,144 posts)
50. That surprised me too
Thu Mar 28, 2013, 05:29 PM
Mar 2013

My children, who are all adults and military trained, don't have access to my secured storage on a routine basis.

It may have been a trust thing, who knows at this point.

I have heard others speculate that he forced it out of her, but there has been nothing to support that to date.



ProgressiveProfessor

(22,144 posts)
59. My daughters had their own firearms from a young age
Thu Mar 28, 2013, 07:08 PM
Mar 2013

However, I secured them and controlled access. I assume his parents did the same while he was younger.

Unless the brother speaks up, I am not sure we will ever really know how things were in that home.

No Vested Interest

(5,164 posts)
79. I understand that when Mom and Dad were still married
Thu Mar 28, 2013, 11:04 PM
Mar 2013

they were both gun enthusiasts.

Remember, Adam was brilliant in some ways. Inasmuch as he was focused on guns and his plans to commit mayhem, you can be sure that he made it his business to know where the gun safe was and how to get into it. He was in the house virtually all day every day; I doubt there were any secrets there that he was not aware of.

Nancy told her friends in the bar she frequented that she was "losing" him. She knew at some level that he was going deeper and deeper into his coming act, though she likely didn't realize it involved the violence he perpetrated.

malaise

(268,693 posts)
84. If I thought I was losing a child those weapons would hae been removed from the house
Fri Mar 29, 2013, 07:21 AM
Mar 2013

How did he accumulate all that ammo? 10 thirty round clips were at the scene of the slaughter

AngryOldDem

(14,061 posts)
64. I felt bad because I felt no sympathy for Nancy Lanza.
Thu Mar 28, 2013, 07:38 PM
Mar 2013

Well, not anymore.

Who the fuck gives someone with a pronounced mental illness a gift of a FIREARM????

I could say more, but I'll stop here.

 

Smarmie Doofus

(14,498 posts)
17. Kind of odd that Adam's brother Ryan Lanza is unheard from in all this.
Thu Mar 28, 2013, 12:36 PM
Mar 2013

Seems to me only he would have any useful info into what was really going on in that family.

HereSince1628

(36,063 posts)
18. The father spoke with parent of shooting victim last week.
Thu Mar 28, 2013, 12:41 PM
Mar 2013

the content of the conversation hasn't been shared.

 

Smarmie Doofus

(14,498 posts)
20. The secrecy is kind of weird. In an age where really nothing is secret that oughta be.
Thu Mar 28, 2013, 12:48 PM
Mar 2013

Also... I'm not sure the dad would know as much as the brother... since he appears to have been out of the house for a number of years and not close w. at least Adam.
Maybe not w. Ryan either.

But Ryan was IN THE HOUSE....until recently.

HereSince1628

(36,063 posts)
27. I think the avoidance is pretty understandable.
Thu Mar 28, 2013, 01:38 PM
Mar 2013

What is society looking for other than things that went wrong within the family?

It follows pretty quickly that once society has something to blame on the family they will look to blame members of the family. Shunning, discrimination etc, will follow. Who is up for that?


I don't have any mass killers among my brothers, but there isn't one of the 3 of them for whom I would want to be accountable for understanding, or contributing to the development of, his behavior.

Even if I wanted to, I couldn't begin to explain some of the behaviors of my brothers.

 

Smarmie Doofus

(14,498 posts)
29. Yes to most of the above. I don't blame them for WANTING to maintain...
Thu Mar 28, 2013, 02:19 PM
Mar 2013

... their privacy. I'm surprised that they are ABLE to.

And ......I don't blame the public for wanting to know more, either. I'm curious myself.

I'd like to know that there was NOTHING wrong w. the family... other than the standard issue crazinesses that all families have. And it seems the Lanzas had their shsre of these... the Adam "situation" aside.

But possibly not MORE than their share. I'm inclined to be sympathetic toward both the dad... and especially... the brother.

They just had their whole family wiped out.



 

Smarmie Doofus

(14,498 posts)
91. I agree. People forget that among other things....
Fri Mar 29, 2013, 09:11 AM
Mar 2013

... she was dealing w. what was undoubtedly a profoundly troubling and puzzling burden in raising Adam. By *herself*.

I can't explain the gun-mania other than the obvious: lots of people look to guns ( irrationally, of course) as a way to find solace/protection/comfort. When Adam expressed an interest in guns, she may have thought it was good that he had an interest in *something*. I didn't know Adam but I know a lot of kids/adults on the Autism Spectrum and a very common theme is the curtailment and narrowing of interests. This leads to and exacerbates their social isolation.

As crazy as it sounds now, Nancy may have thought ... not unreasonably... that this was an interest that Adam could potentially *share* ... like other people share a love of golf/comic books/ tennis/ maj jong/ boating/ etc etc etc. ( She was from NH, ferchrissstsakes. It ---gun enthusiasm--- is mainstream there . ) She might have thought this was a way he could connect to other people and build relationships. Something that EVERYONE agrees was the one thing that Adam could NOT do.

Not unrelatedly... the NYT reports this morning ... not for the first time... that he was bullied ( as most Asperger's/autism kids are) by the neuro-typical kids in his HS. To the point where Nancy at least thought he should leave school. ( That sounds like some SERIOUS bullying.) In another context... Adam's attack would have sparked a dialogue about THAT aspect of it.... much as it did with Columbine.

The bullies are getting a big break w. this fixation on crazy, evil "gun-nut Mom."

jmg257

(11,996 posts)
34. She's dead? How did that happen? Her son is dead too.
Thu Mar 28, 2013, 02:53 PM
Mar 2013

Plus of course 26 innocent people. Almost all because she fucked up.

 

Cooley Hurd

(26,877 posts)
51. are you implying she bears no responsibility in the Newtown massacre?
Thu Mar 28, 2013, 05:35 PM
Mar 2013

Unlocked gun cabinets; giving her autistic son a firearm; promoting a gun culture overall to her son?

Sure... she had nothing to do with the carnage at Newtown.

 

Cooley Hurd

(26,877 posts)
94. Got it. Since she's dead, we shall not speak of her (or her involvement) again.
Fri Mar 29, 2013, 12:38 PM
Mar 2013
Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it
-George Santayana
 

morningfog

(18,115 posts)
87. She was not rational. She was a paranoid extremist who gave her
Fri Mar 29, 2013, 07:37 AM
Mar 2013

mentally ill child weapons. She is a major cause of what happened. THey were her guns, she encouraged him to use them.

Ganja Ninja

(15,953 posts)
30. Whatever this kid's problems were it's easy to see that his mother was probably ...
Thu Mar 28, 2013, 02:48 PM
Mar 2013

more responsible for his killing spree than he was. Having this kind of weaponry fetish is something you'd expect from a hardcore biker/redneck/gang member/militia men. Outwardly this woman looked like an upper middle class divorcee living the good life in an upper class suburban neighborhood. The reports of her being a "survivalist" really don't paint an accurate description of what this kid was living with. His day to day life with a woman obsessed with an apocalyptic vision of the future must have screwed with his head. Lord knows what a steady viewing diet of the likes of Glenn Beck could do to someone that is facing a difficult time as it is without being subjected to that.

ProgressiveProfessor

(22,144 posts)
46. And how do you know she was "woman obsessed with an apocalyptic vision of the future"
Thu Mar 28, 2013, 05:08 PM
Mar 2013

Most of the family gouge comes from a single somewhat questionable source.

Feel free to attack the mother all you want, but at least have some basis for it.

bluestate10

(10,942 posts)
53. What sane person would have a gun in a house like that? There were simply a murder or
Thu Mar 28, 2013, 05:39 PM
Mar 2013

many murders waiting to happen in that house. What sane person would have a weaponized pole?

jmg257

(11,996 posts)
82. "Outsiders" weren't exactly the problem, were they?
Fri Mar 29, 2013, 12:44 AM
Mar 2013

And this dumb ass never even realized how big she fucked up.

Moses2SandyKoufax

(1,290 posts)
83. Most people who amass weapons to protect themselves from "outsiders" seem to be unaware
Fri Mar 29, 2013, 12:59 AM
Mar 2013

of the fact that the greatest threat to their safety is inside their own homes.

JI7

(89,239 posts)
81. she needed the comfort of scary looking guns to defend her home and family
Fri Mar 29, 2013, 12:41 AM
Mar 2013

from .....................................

Robb

(39,665 posts)
90. The NRA trained Lanza to be a more accurate shooter.
Fri Mar 29, 2013, 09:06 AM
Mar 2013

Absent that training, he might've missed some of those kids.

The NRA does NOT get a pass.

sfpcjock

(1,936 posts)
95. This blew mind.
Fri Mar 29, 2013, 12:43 PM
Mar 2013

Is this 'death by offspring?'

Someone said that the old lady was a survivalist, so I guess it partly fits.

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