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(1,372 posts)Why don't they just say - From where we sit the DOMA is or isn't constitutional.
Why all the well, the president should - but he didn't
Do you think it would be too much to ask the Pres and SCOTUS have lunch
and they agree on who should decide the case? No discussing issues, just
agree on who should make the ruling.
Then.... DO IT!
The chief justice could even call the Pres and say - We think it's your call.
I think they have gone too far into the procedural ether.
They got so smart they turned stupid!
WilliamPitt
(58,179 posts)My brain.
rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)Occulus
(20,599 posts)We no longer even bother to teach civics. It's lumped into this thing called 'social studies' and taught alongside several unrelated subjects. We did the same with "English", terming it 'language arts' at apparently the same time we starting calling "Personnel" 'human resources'.
My time frames may be way off, but you do have to admit a certain pattern of framing...
rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)Paul E Ester
(952 posts)American citizen, replaced with the term the American consumer. I think I noticed it the most with Brian Williams but I think it started before then.
beyurslf
(6,755 posts)I have many friends who have lived here a very long time who are not "citizens" yet but who work, pay taxes, and contribute to our society in great and beneficial ways.
Nitram
(22,671 posts)here in Virginia.
Skraxx
(2,965 posts)You're just a wee bit mis-informed their pal. Really, tone it down until you do some reasearch about separation of powers and the role of the USSC.
socialindependocrat
(1,372 posts)I thought I heard someone say that the SCOTUS was weaseling so the Pres would make a decision
It was splained on down the line (here).
Sorry to all. While you were studying Civics and political science
I was studying chemistry and physics.
socialindependocrat
(1,372 posts)6. If Pres. Obama comes out definitvely against DOMA Scotus would be obliged to swing against Him,
So what role does the Pres. play if SCOTUS has the ball.
The pres. has no power but what he says has an effect on things?
Occulus
(20,599 posts)AtheistCrusader
(33,982 posts)If they fuck this up even a tiny bit...
The repercussions are lasting and incredibly damaging to individual people. Let them do their thing. We can afford no fuckups on civil rights issues. Every single word in the majority opinion has meaning and impact. It has to be right.
mac56
(17,561 posts)The Velveteen Ocelot
(115,280 posts)The president has no power with respect to lawmaking other than to sign or veto a bill. The Congress makes the laws. The Supreme Court decides whether they are constitutional. The president can't just have lunch with the justices and they decide "who makes the call" - this would violate the constitutional principle of separation of powers.
Civics 101: Each of the three branches of government (executive - the President; legislative - Congress; and judicial - the courts) have specific powers. They are not to interfere or merge with each other, but only to check and balance.
In other words, a law enacted by Congress and signed by a President - in this case, DOMA - is valid unless and until it is either declared unconstitutional by the Supreme Court or repealed by a later Congress.
That's the way the system works. There is no "agreeing on who should decide the case." It belongs to the Supreme Court at this point.
I am often amazed at how confused a lot of people are about how our government is set up. It doesn't always work as well as it should, but there some basic principles and we should all try to learn what they are.
tavalon
(27,985 posts)There are plenty of people everywhere who didn't keep their boring civics class in their heads. I doubt I would have if not for schoolhouse rock and that wasn't complete. When I became obsessed with politics, then I learned but I was almost 40 by then.
socialindependocrat
(1,372 posts)I had heard on TV that the SCOTUS wished that the Pres would make a decision instead of them.
My thought was to simplify the situation.
Is it a conflict for two parties to decide who should make the decision
without deciding or discussing what the decision should be?
I see your note about repeal by a later congress.
I guess I have to listen more closely about who's saying what.
Well, thanks for taking the time to explain.
bobclark86
(1,415 posts)However, grandpa might like the girl cover (eh, he's in his '80s, I'll let him have that).
hue
(4,949 posts)just because the conservative judges must oppose our President. This is a game in which it is prob. wiser for President Obama to leave the ball in SCOTUS's court. He knows they (SCOTUS) will suffer the consequences if they go so strongly against public opinion/mandate.
dsc
(52,130 posts)Kennedy will likely be the decisive vote and his philosophy on gay issues predates Obama.
muriel_volestrangler
(101,155 posts)That was 2 years ago. In an official letter to the Speaker of the House. How much more 'definitive' do you think he can get?
We People
(619 posts)A visceral involuntary reaction from the RW.
Maybe their Tallking Heads will become their Exploding Heads.
Cha
(295,929 posts)Scotus needs to get on board and strike down that stupid gop hypocritical shite, doma.
Occulus
(20,599 posts)Clinton passed it.
Don't you hate it when the mask slips a bit and people notice what's under it?
Because I just did.
Cha
(295,929 posts)it's not struck down.
Roy Rolling
(6,856 posts)The characterization of marriage, either hetero or gay, by kissing and sex misses the point. There is a lot more to marriage than sex, and marriages that are based on sex are finished once the sex gets monotonous.
So if gay marriage wants to fail the same way that straight marriage (over 50% divorce rate), then continue to emphasize only sex and ignore the rest of responsibilities that come with marriage.
It would be like celebrating the success of the Civil Rights movement of the '60s only with pictures of blacks and whites kissing and legal marriage but ignoring the real advances like the right to vote, be employed, be educated equally, and associate freely within society. Just sayin' . . .
brooklynite
(93,873 posts)There's definitely kissing, which I recall is a sign of affection, love, celebration etc. I understand people even do it at weddings...
mathematic
(1,430 posts)Now that would sell some magazines.
Roy Rolling
(6,856 posts)Comrade_McKenzie
(2,526 posts)mountain grammy
(26,571 posts)krispos42
(49,445 posts)William769
(55,124 posts)Laura PourMeADrink
(42,770 posts)asked about print copy to a Time rep.. and I thought..wow, doesn't he know they don't print anymore?
or...is this a special issue.
Anyway you look at it...it's still a great thing
brooklynite
(93,873 posts)Laura PourMeADrink
(42,770 posts)Laura PourMeADrink
(42,770 posts)steve2470
(37,457 posts)tridim
(45,358 posts)The two issues obviously aren't equal, but both are similar.
Culture is moving forward with or without DC.