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In the latest episode of an over-active school board making an overtly PC move, a New Hampshire school district has banned the game of dodgeball for fears that it reinforces and leads to bullying.
As reported by the Eagle Tribune and other outlets, the Windham (N.H.) School Board voted 4-1 to outlaw dodgeball and nine other human target activities because it was concerned that the traditional game was reinforcing the exact behaviors that the school district was aiming to eliminate in its students.
We spend a lot of time making sure our kids are violence free, Windham superintendent Dr. Henry LaBranche told the Eagle Tribune. Here we have games where we use children as targets. That seems to be counter to what we are trying to accomplish with our anti-bullying campaign.
Though dodgeball can occasionally lead to some students being targeted for their lack of agility or other physical limitations, it seems harsh to claim that the pseudo sport is a petri dish for bullying. Rather, it is a continued embodiment of the dog-eat-dog ethos that was once embodied in all school sports.
http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/highschool-prep-rally/hampshire-school-district-bans-dodgeball-fears-encourages-bullying-105525261.html
BainsBane
(53,026 posts)Especially since when I was young we HAD to wear dresses to school. The boys would throw those balls really hard at my legs and it hurt. I'm all for banning dodgeball. It's a cruel game.
snooper2
(30,151 posts)Volleyball has to go too...
Evil game with people doing face spikes against the opposing team just to be mean.
JoeBlowToo
(253 posts)talkingmime
(2,173 posts)Floyd_Gondolli
(1,277 posts)But concede it probably isn't popular with a lot of middle school aged girls.
Warpy
(111,222 posts)I'm sure dodge ball is not the only thing you'll come to hate.
librechik
(30,674 posts)sharp_stick
(14,400 posts)just making kids wear shorts is humiliating and needs to stop. just because sometimes people need to see it to believe it.
There's always someone that comes up with a really dumb idea despite all the best intentions.
My kids aren't the most gifted athletes by any stretch but they love dodge ball. I can see keeping an eye on things to make sure nobody is going nuts but that should be standard practice for any school anyway.
Floyd_Gondolli
(1,277 posts)I'm not following you on that one, and I was a fat kid.
sharp_stick
(14,400 posts)I didn't think the sarcasm smilie was needed. Guess I was wrong
Smilie added.
Floyd_Gondolli
(1,277 posts)It's been one of those weeks on DU. Everyone is offended by everything, apparently.
My apologies.
sharp_stick
(14,400 posts)BainsBane
(53,026 posts)Where kids run and get exercise. There are lot of good sports games.
sharp_stick
(14,400 posts)Are you kidding me, the violence... the humiliation...
And running, you could fall in a hole and it's boring.
MattBaggins
(7,898 posts)Yet you will find a large number of people will applaud this.
Good riddance to an evil game.
The Straight Story
(48,121 posts)"You went straight for the overtly PC shtick"
WTH does that even mean? I post stories I think people will be interested in (note the replies here and the coverage elsewhere) - why do some people always see an agenda with things?
Oh...I know why. Because there is always something a few folks can find issue with.
Like opening doors or dongles.
Not everything is a conspiracy. Some people, like me, who have had (or do have) kids in school tend to post stories about ... well schools, since such are a daily fact of life.
And maybe, just perhaps, some of us played dodge ball (and did other things in school) that are now different than they were back in the day so it is of interest.
A story of interest that most people can relate to (schools - I am guessing most went to one at some point) that also touches on the past (something a few us of have).
MattBaggins
(7,898 posts)I mistook it for your opinion on the incident
The Straight Story
(48,121 posts)Go Vols
(5,902 posts)We never played with the girls tho.
LeftinOH
(5,353 posts)the overweight kids; the near-sighted; the ones who would prefer to be anywhere except gum class; and most girls. To me, dodgeball always felt like a perfect "sporting" interpretation of middle school/junior high school society. And I hated it.
HappyMe
(20,277 posts)bullying these days.
I always like dodge ball. I graduated from high school in '76. I don't think kids were as mean and vindictive then as they are now.
Scuba
(53,475 posts)... to prepare them for corporate life.
HereSince1628
(36,063 posts)Mr. Michealson was not exactly a dead shot with the bits he propelled at 'attention deficit' students.
But as far as I know, classrooms could now be completely chalkless.
RevStPatrick
(2,208 posts)Long time ago.
It was time to play dodgeball because the PE teacher was a lazy shit.
I told her that I would not participate.
(yes, I was a small kid who the big kids loved to bean because it was easy for them)
She said she would fail me if I didn't play.
Fair enough...
When the ball landed in my hands a moment later, I threw it as hard as I could... right at the teacher's head.
Her head then bounced off the bleachers in the gym, and she hit the floor.
No, that was not the right thing to do, but all the other kids were trying to do that exact same thing to me.
When she got up off the floor, she made us all line up, and said "I'm going to find out who did that, or the whole class will get detention." I didn't hesitate for a moment to say "Don't bother. It was me. And I did it on purpose."
Principal's office... suspension... school board meeting... When I explained that I wanted to "opt out" and that she wouldn't let me, I told the board that I was simply doing what I was told to do. Throw a rubber ball at other people's heads. If the teacher didn't want that to happen to her, she should have gotten the fuck out of the way. Unlike I was able to do. And yes, I used the word fuck to the school board.
They were going to expel me, and I said that I simply could not have cared less. And I'm sure that the press, (now it's referred to as "the media" would be interested in this story (my father was a newspaper editor, and they knew it).
After some consideration, they reversed my suspension, banned dodgeball, and I spent the rest of the school year jogging around the track during PE class. My parents were proud that I stood up for myself, even though they did not like the method that I chose. I was a hero among all the small kids.
Still leaves a bad taste in my mouth...
BainsBane
(53,026 posts)What a fantastic story.
RevStPatrick
(2,208 posts)But, I never had to play dodgeball again!
sufrommich
(22,871 posts)time. My son is in his mid thirties and I remember the note home telling us that dodgeball wasn't allowed in gym or on the playground.It went the way of metal slides and monkey bars as deemed too likely to result in a lawsuit. That being said,dodgeball was always a survival of the fittest,custom made for hurting the weak and unpopular sorry excuse for a game,glad to see it going the way of the dinosaur.
MFM008
(19,803 posts)I got hit in the face at age 7 or 8 with a dodge ball, It broke my new glasses and split my lip.I guess I didnt dodge.
dsc
(52,155 posts)dodgeball is a horrible sport.
TrogL
(32,822 posts)Dodgeball is for sociopaths.
upaloopa
(11,417 posts)some teachers encouraged you to hit certain kids. I was one of those kids.
I saw the same behavior in basic training.
One_Life_To_Give
(6,036 posts)Now you ban dodgeball.
How the Eff are we supposed to keep the little faries in line?
(just in case there was any doubt)
riqster
(13,986 posts)At least it did in Torrington, CT: http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022564963
Evoman
(8,040 posts)It was the only game I was good at...dodging balls, occasionally managing to hit some of the jocks. It was way better than playing basketball or floor hockey, where all the good players passed among each other and I would sit there with nothing to do (or worse, be put in goal).
I can see where it could be a bullying sport, but I loved it.
HappyMe
(20,277 posts)I was kind of lousy at everything else. All you had to do was throw the ball or get out of the way.
Tien1985
(920 posts)I'm surprised that's even debated? I was bullied a lot as a kid and everyone I knew just accepted that dodge ball was a way for the cool kids to hit you without any repercussions.
Hell, it's not even that I disliked the game. Looking back on it, I always held a small hope that maybe just ONCE I would be able to peg one of the a**holes back. Never did (I'm crazy uncoordinated), but I certainly hoped.
talkingmime
(2,173 posts)I was always small and got picked on by the "jocks" all the time. Those of us who weren't particularly atheletic were the only ones they ever whipped the ball at and I ended up with serious bruises after every game. It was like they were using us as targets in a video game (and this was before video games).
Sadly, the only gym teachers I ever had laughed about it, leading me to believe they were just as big of assholes when they were in school. My parents tried talking to the principals and all they said was something like, "hey, it's just a game."
If the gym teachers would have done anything to discourage the jocks from picking on us, it might have been an enjoyable game. I dreaded it more than the inevitable wedgies in the locker room. These are the same gym teachers who would make all of us run the entire cross-country course even if we were close to death when we came straggling in, and then they would chastise us for not keeping up.
The problem isn't so much with the specific game or activity, but the mental and physical abuse those who aren't as capable suffer. Even after one of the (at the time, few) really heavy kids collapsed on on the cross-country course and had to be "found", they still didn't change anything. The EMTs had to go back along the trail to haul him out. And the teachers knew he had severe asthema. He could have died back there.
It's more of a systemic problem in the atheletic departments. The current case in Steubenville is a prime example of why we have a problem. That slap on the wrist is really going to sting, eh? How about the lifetime of horror the poor girl will have to live through?
There's nothing "PC" about the school board's move. They had the courage to actually finally do something about the problem. If the gym department teachers want those 9 human target activities back, they need to prove they can act like the adults they are supposed to be, not one of the offenders.
frylock
(34,825 posts)as already stated, it's a "sport" designed for the jocko meatheads to just wail on overweight and small kids. when they made us play on rain days, i'd purposely eliminate myself early and hang out on the bleachers with my buds.
onenote
(42,670 posts)Its not as if banning it is going to stop bullying. Rather, bullying will find other outlets (including sports and non-sports outlets).
radicalliberal
(907 posts)I'm wondering if you think bullying is no big deal. Well, I can assure you that it is a big deal to the students who are bullied.
onenote
(42,670 posts)I'm anti bullying. I just don't know that banning dodgeball will stop bullying. I'd rather the punishments for bullying be increased no matter how it manifests itself.
radicalliberal
(907 posts)Posting in a forum is not the best way to communicate.
Actually, I don't favor the banning of dodgeball; but it should be voluntary and optional.
I'm opposed to nonathletic students being forced to participate in any sport in mandatory P.E. classes. This sort of arrangement definitely does encourage bullying by setting the athletic boys against the ones who aren't athletically inclined. If anyone doubts that bullying has been a problem in sports-centered mandatory P.E., all one has to do is make a search on this site alone on "phys ed bullying," "p.e. bullying," and "jock bullying" -- not to mention making a Google search across the Internet. Yes, some school districts have better programs than the ones I had to endure when I was a boy in the 1960's; but I suspect the "old P.E." is still the painful reality in many districts. Next to no one has ever shown any concern about the problems nonathletic boys have faced in traditional mandatory P.E. That includes most of the people today who demand that P.E. be mandatory K through 12. What's particularly galling is that nonathletic boys really don't get any exercise in such P.E. classes. I certainly never did. I wasn't even taught about the sports themselves! Any teacher of an academic class who "taught" that way would be fired, but not P.E. coaches!
Since the summer of 2007, I've been a physically active guy -- no thanks to the mandatory P.E. of my youth, not to mention bigoted P.E. teachers and coaches who (because of their machismo mindset) viewed nonathletic boys with either indifference or outright contempt. I've spent a small fortune hiring personal trainers to work with me on a bodybuilding program at a local health club with great results that never were possible in any of my P.E. classes. So, I know what works and what doesn't work for nonathletic boys. (Hint: There must be choice.)
Thank you for being civil.
redqueen
(115,103 posts)for certain kinds of people.
Logical
(22,457 posts)Demo_Chris
(6,234 posts)According to some I must have been a sociopath and a bully
Initech
(100,054 posts)Blue_Tires
(55,445 posts)1. He's forgetting how sue-happy some parents are these days
2. What the shit does he care, since kids who really miss it will find a way to play it outside of school (just like how adults feeling nostalgic can easily find a regular casual "PE-game" meetup in most local cities)...Or the two schools mentioned who still play it are on the intramural scale (i.e., voluntary participation as opposed to the entire PE class)
3. As we evolve some things just outlive their shelf lives (if they ever had one)...I played "smear the queer" and "pitch the bitch" at recess for years, and I'm not too heartbroken if today's kids have NO idea what they are...
ProudToBeBlueInRhody
(16,399 posts)Not even a real game, just a lazy and cheap way to keep kids occupied.
My proudest moment in phys-ed was telling a middle school gym teacher after he went on some rant about how great dodgeball was that he was just too lazy to drag the nets and sticks out to play floor hockey.
CobblePuller
(38 posts)redqueen
(115,103 posts)backscatter712
(26,355 posts)A bully game for bully PE teachers to encourage bully students.
alp227
(32,013 posts)And sadly as usual the bully apologist authoritarians dominate the Yahoo comments section.
I remember dodgeball when I was a kid. Why are schools taking all the fun away in the name of combating bullying? There are more effective ways to combat bullying.
Silver Swan
(1,110 posts)We just rolled the ball on the floor to touch someone on the other side of a circle of kids. I never played it any other way.
In the last few years, when I've heard of banning dodge ball, I wondered why.
My spouse had to explain that when he played it in school, the object was to actually hit people hard with the ball.
I am glad I led a sheltered life.
applegrove
(118,577 posts)at play. I didn't always win the game for my team but I tried.
Tikki
(14,555 posts)Tikki
HockeyMom
(14,337 posts)for 15 years. None of the schools in either state allowed dodge ball. Bullying? No, they were afraid they kids would get a concussion if the ball hit them in the head. I had daughters who played Soccer and there was a LOT of flack about them doing headers for the same reason. This also goes back 20 years.