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The Straight Story

(48,121 posts)
Thu Mar 28, 2013, 01:49 PM Mar 2013

New Hampshire school district bans dodgeball for fears it encourages bullying

In the latest episode of an over-active school board making an overtly PC move, a New Hampshire school district has banned the game of dodgeball for fears that it reinforces and leads to bullying.

As reported by the Eagle Tribune and other outlets, the Windham (N.H.) School Board voted 4-1 to outlaw dodgeball and “nine other human target activities” because it was concerned that the traditional game was reinforcing the exact behaviors that the school district was aiming to eliminate in its students.

“We spend a lot of time making sure our kids are violence free,” Windham superintendent Dr. Henry LaBranche told the Eagle Tribune. “Here we have games where we use children as targets. That seems to be counter to what we are trying to accomplish with our anti-bullying campaign.”

Though dodgeball can occasionally lead to some students being targeted for their lack of agility or other physical limitations, it seems harsh to claim that the pseudo sport is a petri dish for bullying. Rather, it is a continued embodiment of the dog-eat-dog ethos that was once embodied in all school sports.

http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/highschool-prep-rally/hampshire-school-district-bans-dodgeball-fears-encourages-bullying-105525261.html

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New Hampshire school district bans dodgeball for fears it encourages bullying (Original Post) The Straight Story Mar 2013 OP
I hated dodgeball BainsBane Mar 2013 #1
I agree... snooper2 Mar 2013 #3
You have to be pretty tall to spike the ball... JoeBlowToo Mar 2013 #14
Yeah, and you're an easy target if you're small. Trust me, I know. talkingmime Mar 2013 #38
I loved it Floyd_Gondolli Mar 2013 #5
Try wearing a stupid dress for a while Warpy Mar 2013 #23
I've been praying for this going on 55 years. Hope it spreads everywhere! n/t librechik Mar 2013 #2
I say ban PE altogether sharp_stick Mar 2013 #4
I'm sorry, but shorts are humiliating? Floyd_Gondolli Mar 2013 #6
It's a joke sharp_stick Mar 2013 #7
Ahh okay Floyd_Gondolli Mar 2013 #9
no problem n/t sharp_stick Mar 2013 #17
How about soccer or kick ball BainsBane Mar 2013 #8
Kick Ball? sharp_stick Mar 2013 #12
You went straight for the overtly PC shtick MattBaggins Mar 2013 #10
What are you going on about? The Straight Story Mar 2013 #27
It was a quote from your post MattBaggins Mar 2013 #34
ah ok - my apologies to you then (nt) The Straight Story Mar 2013 #35
I loved dodge ball Go Vols Mar 2013 #11
Dodgeball is specifically designed for picking off the "weaklings": LeftinOH Mar 2013 #13
yep frylock Mar 2013 #37
Just showing up at school encourages HappyMe Mar 2013 #15
School children should be strapped into their desks to ensure their safety and ... Scuba Mar 2013 #16
And maybe even eye protection against flying chalk HereSince1628 Mar 2013 #22
I got dodgeball banned in my school... RevStPatrick Mar 2013 #18
You're my hero BainsBane Mar 2013 #21
Meh... I wasn't proud of my self then, and I'm not now... RevStPatrick Mar 2013 #26
Dodgeball has been banned in some districts for a long sufrommich Mar 2013 #19
On the ball MFM008 Mar 2013 #20
good for them dsc Mar 2013 #24
Excellent idea TrogL Mar 2013 #25
I always thought dodge ball was bad because upaloopa Mar 2013 #28
First you make us wear swimsuits One_Life_To_Give Mar 2013 #29
Well, it has been shown to result in victim-blaming riqster Mar 2013 #30
I was a unathletic nerd, but I loved dodgeball. Evoman Mar 2013 #31
Yup, me too. HappyMe Mar 2013 #32
It does encourage bullying. Tien1985 Mar 2013 #33
It actually does encourage bullying. I lived through in up until 9th grade. talkingmime Mar 2013 #36
i was athletic in high school and fucking hated dodgeball.. frylock Mar 2013 #39
I don't think dodgeball encourages bullying as much as it provides an opportunity for bullying onenote Mar 2013 #40
You sound like you're more pro-dodgeball than anti-bullying. radicalliberal Apr 2013 #55
You're mistaken onenote Apr 2013 #56
Sorry for the misunderstanding. radicalliberal Apr 2013 #57
Good. And yet another case of "PC" being the rallying cry redqueen Mar 2013 #41
Well, it 100% does promote bullying. I would ban it also. n-t Logical Mar 2013 #42
I sucked at it and I still thought it was fun Demo_Chris Mar 2013 #43
If you can dodge a wrench you can dodge a ball!! Initech Mar 2013 #44
The writer is laying on the mock outrage pretty thick... Blue_Tires Mar 2013 #45
Dodgeball sucks ProudToBeBlueInRhody Mar 2013 #46
Ahhh, First World Problems... CobblePuller Mar 2013 #47
Will you miss the days when bullying was given tacit approval when they're gone? nt redqueen Mar 2013 #54
Good. Fuck dodgeball. It is a bully game. backscatter712 Mar 2013 #48
Not the onion? Dammit. But at least the Mississippi banning small sodas story was. alp227 Mar 2013 #49
When we played dodge ball back in first and second grade, circa 1951-1953 Silver Swan Mar 2013 #50
I loved dodge ball. I was an escape artist. I loved being the last man on my team still applegrove Mar 2013 #51
Excellent. Tikki Mar 2013 #52
I've worked in NY and Florida Public Schools HockeyMom Mar 2013 #53

BainsBane

(53,026 posts)
1. I hated dodgeball
Thu Mar 28, 2013, 01:51 PM
Mar 2013

Especially since when I was young we HAD to wear dresses to school. The boys would throw those balls really hard at my legs and it hurt. I'm all for banning dodgeball. It's a cruel game.

 

snooper2

(30,151 posts)
3. I agree...
Thu Mar 28, 2013, 01:53 PM
Mar 2013

Volleyball has to go too...

Evil game with people doing face spikes against the opposing team just to be mean.





Warpy

(111,222 posts)
23. Try wearing a stupid dress for a while
Thu Mar 28, 2013, 02:17 PM
Mar 2013

I'm sure dodge ball is not the only thing you'll come to hate.

sharp_stick

(14,400 posts)
4. I say ban PE altogether
Thu Mar 28, 2013, 01:53 PM
Mar 2013

just making kids wear shorts is humiliating and needs to stop. just because sometimes people need to see it to believe it.

There's always someone that comes up with a really dumb idea despite all the best intentions.

My kids aren't the most gifted athletes by any stretch but they love dodge ball. I can see keeping an eye on things to make sure nobody is going nuts but that should be standard practice for any school anyway.

 

Floyd_Gondolli

(1,277 posts)
9. Ahh okay
Thu Mar 28, 2013, 01:57 PM
Mar 2013

It's been one of those weeks on DU. Everyone is offended by everything, apparently.

My apologies.

sharp_stick

(14,400 posts)
12. Kick Ball?
Thu Mar 28, 2013, 01:59 PM
Mar 2013

Are you kidding me, the violence... the humiliation...



And running, you could fall in a hole and it's boring.

MattBaggins

(7,898 posts)
10. You went straight for the overtly PC shtick
Thu Mar 28, 2013, 01:58 PM
Mar 2013

Yet you will find a large number of people will applaud this.

Good riddance to an evil game.

The Straight Story

(48,121 posts)
27. What are you going on about?
Thu Mar 28, 2013, 02:34 PM
Mar 2013

"You went straight for the overtly PC shtick"

WTH does that even mean? I post stories I think people will be interested in (note the replies here and the coverage elsewhere) - why do some people always see an agenda with things?

Oh...I know why. Because there is always something a few folks can find issue with.

Like opening doors or dongles.

Not everything is a conspiracy. Some people, like me, who have had (or do have) kids in school tend to post stories about ... well schools, since such are a daily fact of life.

And maybe, just perhaps, some of us played dodge ball (and did other things in school) that are now different than they were back in the day so it is of interest.

A story of interest that most people can relate to (schools - I am guessing most went to one at some point) that also touches on the past (something a few us of have).

LeftinOH

(5,353 posts)
13. Dodgeball is specifically designed for picking off the "weaklings":
Thu Mar 28, 2013, 01:59 PM
Mar 2013

the overweight kids; the near-sighted; the ones who would prefer to be anywhere except gum class; and most girls. To me, dodgeball always felt like a perfect "sporting" interpretation of middle school/junior high school society. And I hated it.

HappyMe

(20,277 posts)
15. Just showing up at school encourages
Thu Mar 28, 2013, 02:03 PM
Mar 2013

bullying these days.

I always like dodge ball. I graduated from high school in '76. I don't think kids were as mean and vindictive then as they are now.

 

Scuba

(53,475 posts)
16. School children should be strapped into their desks to ensure their safety and ...
Thu Mar 28, 2013, 02:03 PM
Mar 2013

... to prepare them for corporate life.

HereSince1628

(36,063 posts)
22. And maybe even eye protection against flying chalk
Thu Mar 28, 2013, 02:14 PM
Mar 2013

Mr. Michealson was not exactly a dead shot with the bits he propelled at 'attention deficit' students.

But as far as I know, classrooms could now be completely chalkless.

 

RevStPatrick

(2,208 posts)
18. I got dodgeball banned in my school...
Thu Mar 28, 2013, 02:11 PM
Mar 2013

Long time ago.

It was time to play dodgeball because the PE teacher was a lazy shit.
I told her that I would not participate.
(yes, I was a small kid who the big kids loved to bean because it was easy for them)
She said she would fail me if I didn't play.
Fair enough...

When the ball landed in my hands a moment later, I threw it as hard as I could... right at the teacher's head.
Her head then bounced off the bleachers in the gym, and she hit the floor.
No, that was not the right thing to do, but all the other kids were trying to do that exact same thing to me.

When she got up off the floor, she made us all line up, and said "I'm going to find out who did that, or the whole class will get detention." I didn't hesitate for a moment to say "Don't bother. It was me. And I did it on purpose."

Principal's office... suspension... school board meeting... When I explained that I wanted to "opt out" and that she wouldn't let me, I told the board that I was simply doing what I was told to do. Throw a rubber ball at other people's heads. If the teacher didn't want that to happen to her, she should have gotten the fuck out of the way. Unlike I was able to do. And yes, I used the word fuck to the school board.

They were going to expel me, and I said that I simply could not have cared less. And I'm sure that the press, (now it's referred to as "the media&quot would be interested in this story (my father was a newspaper editor, and they knew it).

After some consideration, they reversed my suspension, banned dodgeball, and I spent the rest of the school year jogging around the track during PE class. My parents were proud that I stood up for myself, even though they did not like the method that I chose. I was a hero among all the small kids.

Still leaves a bad taste in my mouth...

 

RevStPatrick

(2,208 posts)
26. Meh... I wasn't proud of my self then, and I'm not now...
Thu Mar 28, 2013, 02:34 PM
Mar 2013

But, I never had to play dodgeball again!

sufrommich

(22,871 posts)
19. Dodgeball has been banned in some districts for a long
Thu Mar 28, 2013, 02:12 PM
Mar 2013

time. My son is in his mid thirties and I remember the note home telling us that dodgeball wasn't allowed in gym or on the playground.It went the way of metal slides and monkey bars as deemed too likely to result in a lawsuit. That being said,dodgeball was always a survival of the fittest,custom made for hurting the weak and unpopular sorry excuse for a game,glad to see it going the way of the dinosaur.

MFM008

(19,803 posts)
20. On the ball
Thu Mar 28, 2013, 02:12 PM
Mar 2013

I got hit in the face at age 7 or 8 with a dodge ball, It broke my new glasses and split my lip.I guess I didnt dodge.

upaloopa

(11,417 posts)
28. I always thought dodge ball was bad because
Thu Mar 28, 2013, 02:41 PM
Mar 2013

some teachers encouraged you to hit certain kids. I was one of those kids.
I saw the same behavior in basic training.

One_Life_To_Give

(6,036 posts)
29. First you make us wear swimsuits
Thu Mar 28, 2013, 02:44 PM
Mar 2013

Now you ban dodgeball.

How the Eff are we supposed to keep the little faries in line?

(just in case there was any doubt)

Evoman

(8,040 posts)
31. I was a unathletic nerd, but I loved dodgeball.
Thu Mar 28, 2013, 03:07 PM
Mar 2013

It was the only game I was good at...dodging balls, occasionally managing to hit some of the jocks. It was way better than playing basketball or floor hockey, where all the good players passed among each other and I would sit there with nothing to do (or worse, be put in goal).

I can see where it could be a bullying sport, but I loved it.

HappyMe

(20,277 posts)
32. Yup, me too.
Thu Mar 28, 2013, 03:13 PM
Mar 2013

I was kind of lousy at everything else. All you had to do was throw the ball or get out of the way.



Tien1985

(920 posts)
33. It does encourage bullying.
Thu Mar 28, 2013, 03:18 PM
Mar 2013

I'm surprised that's even debated? I was bullied a lot as a kid and everyone I knew just accepted that dodge ball was a way for the cool kids to hit you without any repercussions.

Hell, it's not even that I disliked the game. Looking back on it, I always held a small hope that maybe just ONCE I would be able to peg one of the a**holes back. Never did (I'm crazy uncoordinated), but I certainly hoped.

 

talkingmime

(2,173 posts)
36. It actually does encourage bullying. I lived through in up until 9th grade.
Thu Mar 28, 2013, 05:52 PM
Mar 2013

I was always small and got picked on by the "jocks" all the time. Those of us who weren't particularly atheletic were the only ones they ever whipped the ball at and I ended up with serious bruises after every game. It was like they were using us as targets in a video game (and this was before video games).

Sadly, the only gym teachers I ever had laughed about it, leading me to believe they were just as big of assholes when they were in school. My parents tried talking to the principals and all they said was something like, "hey, it's just a game."

If the gym teachers would have done anything to discourage the jocks from picking on us, it might have been an enjoyable game. I dreaded it more than the inevitable wedgies in the locker room. These are the same gym teachers who would make all of us run the entire cross-country course even if we were close to death when we came straggling in, and then they would chastise us for not keeping up.

The problem isn't so much with the specific game or activity, but the mental and physical abuse those who aren't as capable suffer. Even after one of the (at the time, few) really heavy kids collapsed on on the cross-country course and had to be "found", they still didn't change anything. The EMTs had to go back along the trail to haul him out. And the teachers knew he had severe asthema. He could have died back there.

It's more of a systemic problem in the atheletic departments. The current case in Steubenville is a prime example of why we have a problem. That slap on the wrist is really going to sting, eh? How about the lifetime of horror the poor girl will have to live through?

There's nothing "PC" about the school board's move. They had the courage to actually finally do something about the problem. If the gym department teachers want those 9 human target activities back, they need to prove they can act like the adults they are supposed to be, not one of the offenders.



frylock

(34,825 posts)
39. i was athletic in high school and fucking hated dodgeball..
Thu Mar 28, 2013, 05:57 PM
Mar 2013

as already stated, it's a "sport" designed for the jocko meatheads to just wail on overweight and small kids. when they made us play on rain days, i'd purposely eliminate myself early and hang out on the bleachers with my buds.

onenote

(42,670 posts)
40. I don't think dodgeball encourages bullying as much as it provides an opportunity for bullying
Thu Mar 28, 2013, 06:04 PM
Mar 2013

Its not as if banning it is going to stop bullying. Rather, bullying will find other outlets (including sports and non-sports outlets).

radicalliberal

(907 posts)
55. You sound like you're more pro-dodgeball than anti-bullying.
Thu Apr 11, 2013, 02:20 PM
Apr 2013

I'm wondering if you think bullying is no big deal. Well, I can assure you that it is a big deal to the students who are bullied.

onenote

(42,670 posts)
56. You're mistaken
Thu Apr 11, 2013, 03:32 PM
Apr 2013

I'm anti bullying. I just don't know that banning dodgeball will stop bullying. I'd rather the punishments for bullying be increased no matter how it manifests itself.

radicalliberal

(907 posts)
57. Sorry for the misunderstanding.
Thu Apr 11, 2013, 05:56 PM
Apr 2013

Posting in a forum is not the best way to communicate.

Actually, I don't favor the banning of dodgeball; but it should be voluntary and optional.

I'm opposed to nonathletic students being forced to participate in any sport in mandatory P.E. classes. This sort of arrangement definitely does encourage bullying by setting the athletic boys against the ones who aren't athletically inclined. If anyone doubts that bullying has been a problem in sports-centered mandatory P.E., all one has to do is make a search on this site alone on "phys ed bullying," "p.e. bullying," and "jock bullying" -- not to mention making a Google search across the Internet. Yes, some school districts have better programs than the ones I had to endure when I was a boy in the 1960's; but I suspect the "old P.E." is still the painful reality in many districts. Next to no one has ever shown any concern about the problems nonathletic boys have faced in traditional mandatory P.E. That includes most of the people today who demand that P.E. be mandatory K through 12. What's particularly galling is that nonathletic boys really don't get any exercise in such P.E. classes. I certainly never did. I wasn't even taught about the sports themselves! Any teacher of an academic class who "taught" that way would be fired, but not P.E. coaches!

Since the summer of 2007, I've been a physically active guy -- no thanks to the mandatory P.E. of my youth, not to mention bigoted P.E. teachers and coaches who (because of their machismo mindset) viewed nonathletic boys with either indifference or outright contempt. I've spent a small fortune hiring personal trainers to work with me on a bodybuilding program at a local health club with great results that never were possible in any of my P.E. classes. So, I know what works and what doesn't work for nonathletic boys. (Hint: There must be choice.)

Thank you for being civil.

Blue_Tires

(55,445 posts)
45. The writer is laying on the mock outrage pretty thick...
Thu Mar 28, 2013, 06:50 PM
Mar 2013

1. He's forgetting how sue-happy some parents are these days

2. What the shit does he care, since kids who really miss it will find a way to play it outside of school (just like how adults feeling nostalgic can easily find a regular casual "PE-game" meetup in most local cities)...Or the two schools mentioned who still play it are on the intramural scale (i.e., voluntary participation as opposed to the entire PE class)

3. As we evolve some things just outlive their shelf lives (if they ever had one)...I played "smear the queer" and "pitch the bitch" at recess for years, and I'm not too heartbroken if today's kids have NO idea what they are...

ProudToBeBlueInRhody

(16,399 posts)
46. Dodgeball sucks
Thu Mar 28, 2013, 07:12 PM
Mar 2013

Not even a real game, just a lazy and cheap way to keep kids occupied.

My proudest moment in phys-ed was telling a middle school gym teacher after he went on some rant about how great dodgeball was that he was just too lazy to drag the nets and sticks out to play floor hockey.

alp227

(32,013 posts)
49. Not the onion? Dammit. But at least the Mississippi banning small sodas story was.
Thu Mar 28, 2013, 07:47 PM
Mar 2013

And sadly as usual the bully apologist authoritarians dominate the Yahoo comments section.

I remember dodgeball when I was a kid. Why are schools taking all the fun away in the name of combating bullying? There are more effective ways to combat bullying.

Silver Swan

(1,110 posts)
50. When we played dodge ball back in first and second grade, circa 1951-1953
Thu Mar 28, 2013, 08:04 PM
Mar 2013

We just rolled the ball on the floor to touch someone on the other side of a circle of kids. I never played it any other way.

In the last few years, when I've heard of banning dodge ball, I wondered why.

My spouse had to explain that when he played it in school, the object was to actually hit people hard with the ball.

I am glad I led a sheltered life.

applegrove

(118,577 posts)
51. I loved dodge ball. I was an escape artist. I loved being the last man on my team still
Thu Mar 28, 2013, 08:10 PM
Mar 2013

at play. I didn't always win the game for my team but I tried.

 

HockeyMom

(14,337 posts)
53. I've worked in NY and Florida Public Schools
Thu Mar 28, 2013, 08:31 PM
Mar 2013

for 15 years. None of the schools in either state allowed dodge ball. Bullying? No, they were afraid they kids would get a concussion if the ball hit them in the head. I had daughters who played Soccer and there was a LOT of flack about them doing headers for the same reason. This also goes back 20 years.

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