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MineralMan

(146,286 posts)
Fri Mar 29, 2013, 02:29 PM Mar 2013

An Occasion of Bare Breasts in Protest

Way back in 1981, I volunteered to serve on the Grand Jury in San Luis Obispo County for a year. It was a fascinating year, and I played a large role in creating the report for it. Unlike typical Grand Juries, California Grand Juries have some autonomy, and are charged with investigating many things during their term. One of those "shall investigate" duties is the local jails and prisons.

That year was the year of a very large protest against the Diablo Canyon Nuclear Power Plant, which was located within the county. That protest led to many, many arrests of protesters. They were housed in a makeshift county jail facility located on Camp San Luis Obispo, a California National Guard training facility that was a major base in WWII.

Since it was part of the county jail system and since it was not the regular jail, the Grand Jury scheduled an inspection and review of the facility, during the time the Diablo Canyon protesters were held there. The entire grand jury went to the facility and interviewed both staff and those held there, checking conditions and hearing complaints.

One group of a couple dozen women being held at the facility protested their arrest and detention by refusing to wear any clothing while being detained. Fortunately, this was during good weather. Since our job was to interview detainees, we also interviewed these women.

The make up of the Grand Jury was about 50/50 men and women. Nudity has never been an issue for me, and it has never mattered to me whether people had clothes on or not. That was not the case for some Grand Jury members. Some of the men refused to interview the protesting women, and a few of the women also refused. The rest of us did the interviews. What I found interesting was that the men very carefully avoided looking at the women, except for their faces. Very deliberate avoidance of any semblance of interest in the naked women. It was sort of funny, really.

However, that resulted in them actually hearing what the women had to say. So, the nudity had a beneficial effect on understanding, since actual listening went on.

In the end, the report really found nothing horrible about the place. The food wasn't great, and we recommended that better portable food preparation facilities be used should such a thing happen again. There weren't any complaints about treatment or housing, or anything else from those detained there, and the atmosphere at the facility was very easy going. The detainees were very cooperative with our investigation and didn't seem all that put out by being there. Indeed, since it was a civil disobedience protest, they were all planning their statements when charged with whatever they were charged with.

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redqueen

(115,103 posts)
1. Find the articles about FEMEN's protests against porn and prostitution, then, if it's so fucking
Fri Mar 29, 2013, 02:31 PM
Mar 2013

effective.

Fuck this.

MineralMan

(146,286 posts)
2. Different situation, different response.
Fri Mar 29, 2013, 02:32 PM
Mar 2013

I described something that happened. I described it accurately.

redqueen

(115,103 posts)
3. You're pushing the bullshit idea that it's effective at getting attention
Fri Mar 29, 2013, 02:34 PM
Mar 2013

you have fun with that. Enjoy. The audience here is very receptive.

MineralMan

(146,286 posts)
4. No. I'm not at all.
Fri Mar 29, 2013, 02:36 PM
Mar 2013

You're misreading what I wrote. We interviewed as many people being detained as wanted to speak to us. The protesting women got no more attention than anyone else got. During the time we were there, we interviewed over 100 people.

The interesting thing for me was the deliberate avoidance by the men from the Grand Jury of any leering or staring. We were there to interview people, and that's what we did, clothed or not clothed.

idwiyo

(5,113 posts)
5. So, your beef with FEMEN is they don't do what YOU want them to do? And you want to be taken
Fri Mar 29, 2013, 02:44 PM
Mar 2013

seriously? You are trying to force YOUR opinion and morals on those women. You, my dear, are worse then patriarchy you are so fond of condemning. Infinitely worse.

It's all I have to say to you. Now, please enjoy your last word.

 

randome

(34,845 posts)
6. 'Real' men, if I may be so bold, know when to react sexually and when not to.
Fri Mar 29, 2013, 02:54 PM
Mar 2013

What you described would have been my reaction, also. Context is everything.

MineralMan

(146,286 posts)
7. Yes, context.
Fri Mar 29, 2013, 03:00 PM
Mar 2013

My context is that I've been around groups of naked people a lot. Nudity, per se, is not something I associate automatically with sex. I suspect that was not the case for some of the men on that Grand Jury, but the context was that we were there to gather information. If anything, the deliberate ignoring of the nudity of the women we interviewed focused those men's attention on their words, rather than anything else.

As you say, the context was not sexual. There is a difference.

 

LittleBlue

(10,362 posts)
9. Showing their boobs is very effective psychologically
Fri Mar 29, 2013, 03:08 PM
Mar 2013

That might be the point, to associate with them sexually.

I can still remember the lovely Femen protestors during Euro 2012. When I think of them naked, there's a mental association with their cause. There was one in particular who was stunning, and yet every time I think of her, I start thinking about sex trafficking in the Ukraine.

Effective strategy is effective.

MineralMan

(146,286 posts)
12. Focusing on the youth and beauty of the protester
Fri Mar 29, 2013, 03:21 PM
Mar 2013

seems foolish to me. That's not the reason for the protest, so what on Earth does it matter.

In the instance I described, I said nothing about how those women looked. They were of all ages and appearances. It was not sex they were selling. They were going for shock value, since nudity is uncommon in our society. It didn't work, which was the point of my post. What did work, though, was something not expected. Since the members of the Grand Jury had a job to do, they deliberately ignored the nudity and listed to what the people involved had to say. They did the same with those who were clothed. Nudity was beside the point. Nobody cared if they were naked or not.

LadyHawkAZ

(6,199 posts)
10. Good grief!
Fri Mar 29, 2013, 03:09 PM
Mar 2013

Didn't those arrests happen in September? Anyone willing to go nude in SLO in September really deserves to be listened to! Brrrrrrr....

MineralMan

(146,286 posts)
13. Lots of nice weather in September there, really.
Fri Mar 29, 2013, 03:22 PM
Mar 2013

I remember the weather as very pleasant around that time.

LadyHawkAZ

(6,199 posts)
15. I lived there for 23 years
Fri Mar 29, 2013, 03:27 PM
Mar 2013

Foggy and cold. Living on the coast was what convinced me to move to the desert. It's pleasant enough if you are wearing clothes, I guess, but not so much if you have exposed skin.

MineralMan

(146,286 posts)
16. Camp San Luis Obispo is far enough
Fri Mar 29, 2013, 03:30 PM
Mar 2013

inland that it doesn't get so much fog as Los Osos, for example, where I lived for 35 years. It's pretty warm in that area, at least sometimes. Personally, I liked the fog on the coast. I hate hot weather, and Los Osos was in the 70s most of the year, because of the fog. Perfect weather for me. Now I live in Minnesota, where weather is REAL.

LadyHawkAZ

(6,199 posts)
17. Montana de Oro used to be a regular weekend stop for me
Fri Mar 29, 2013, 03:33 PM
Mar 2013

I spent a lot of teenage time daydreaming on the rocks at the beach. Sigh... memories.

I live in Utah now. I have no idea what made me think living somewhere with four seasons would be a good idea.

MineralMan

(146,286 posts)
18. It's a beautiful spot for sure.
Fri Mar 29, 2013, 03:36 PM
Mar 2013

I spend more time on the rocky shoreline at Hazard Canyon, just next to Montana de Oro.

tularetom

(23,664 posts)
19. And now, 32 years later, Diablo Canyon is still in operation
Fri Mar 29, 2013, 04:03 PM
Mar 2013

Despite the fact that it was found after the fact to have been built right on top of a previously unknown fault.

And there are sirens all around the beach communities with instructions for getting the hell out of there in the event something goes haywire at the plant.

So, whether or not bare breasts furthered the aims of the protestors, the fact is that the protests themselves had no effect at all on their goal which was to get the plant shut down.

MineralMan

(146,286 posts)
20. That's true. The protests didn't stop the plant
Fri Mar 29, 2013, 04:41 PM
Mar 2013

from being built. That was pretty much a given by that time. But the protests continued, and continue to this day. New plants are beginning to start construction again, after 30 years of no new plants. Will protests stop them from being built? Probably not, but nuclear plant construction ended for three decades.

The protests had some success, in reality. However that lull period is about to end, so it's time for new protests.

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