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LynneSin

(95,337 posts)
Thu Feb 2, 2012, 05:34 PM Feb 2012

Alabama Republican Senator: Low teacher pay mandated by God

Alabama Republican Senator: Low teacher pay mandated by God

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2012/02/02/alabama-republican-claims-low-teacher-pay-a-biblical-mandate/

A Republican State Senator from Alabama claimed this week that keeping teacher salaries low is actually an order from the Christian deity figure, imparted in ancient texts written by Jewish tribesmen thousands of years ago.

Speaking at a prayer breakfast recently, Alabama state Senator Shadrack McGill praised giving pay raises to politicians, saying that it helps to prevent bribery. Then he shifted gears and went in the opposite direction with regards to teachers, arguing against a bill that would increase their salaries.

“Teachers need to make the money that they need to make,” he said, according to Alabama newspaper The Times-Journal. “There needs to be a balance there. If you double what you’re paying education, you know what’s going to happen? I’ve heard the comment many times, ‘Well, the quality of education’s going to go up.’ That’s never proven to happen, guys.


“It’s a Biblical principle. If you double a teacher’s pay scale, you’ll attract people who aren’t called to teach. To go and raise someone’s child for eight hours a day, or many people’s children for eight hours a day, requires a calling. It better be a calling in your life. I know I wouldn’t want to do it, OK?”



OMG REALLY???!!!

You pay these people shit then they just aren't going to care about what they do. I don't think any teacher is looking make Mitt Romney Salary but hell they'd be happy to make in a year what Mittens makes in a day.


And think about this. You pay teachers a decent salary you're going to have more people applying for the job which gives you the chance to pick the very best of the applicants. Whereas you pay teachers crap you're going to lose alot of talented teachers who can't survive making less than $30k.
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Alabama Republican Senator: Low teacher pay mandated by God (Original Post) LynneSin Feb 2012 OP
WTF? catbyte Feb 2012 #1
well you see, market forces only work when it's conveeeeenient phantom power Feb 2012 #2
Republican = Stupid avaistheone1 Feb 2012 #3
Well,to be fair,the "best and brightest" argument has not served us well OffWithTheirHeads Feb 2012 #4
arggghhhhh dixiegrrrrl Feb 2012 #5
I know there are plenty of good liberals in the south.. LynneSin Feb 2012 #9
Which says a lot for the Republicans IQ. dixiegrrrrl Feb 2012 #10
I have a calling for him jpak Feb 2012 #6
Well if God commands it, God commands it. limpyhobbler Feb 2012 #7
This mandated by god meme wore it's self out long ago liberal N proud Feb 2012 #8
I need to ask nadinbrzezinski Feb 2012 #11
In the Paul letters Johonny Feb 2012 #12
Thanks but Paul,says to pay them well nadinbrzezinski Feb 2012 #13
Not only Paul Johonny Feb 2012 #20
Sell everything you have and give to the poor mandated by Jesus: tanyev Feb 2012 #14
Proof that it's real easy for them to get God confused with Limbaugh. lpbk2713 Feb 2012 #15
In what alternative universe is it godly to underpay those who educate the next generation? meow2u3 Feb 2012 #16
So, by that logic, 3waygeek Feb 2012 #17
Maybe we shouldn't pay teachers well so that they will take bribes.... n/t Chemical Bill Feb 2012 #18
His bid for re-election is: "I'm too shit to be a teacher, but pay me lots, and I won't take bribes" muriel_volestrangler Feb 2012 #19

phantom power

(25,966 posts)
2. well you see, market forces only work when it's conveeeeenient
Thu Feb 2, 2012, 05:39 PM
Feb 2012

or something.


I'll bet a donut that part of the subtext here is conservatives pining for the days when teachers were women, and women knew their place, and were happy to get any kind of job that the patriarchy allowed them.

 

OffWithTheirHeads

(10,337 posts)
4. Well,to be fair,the "best and brightest" argument has not served us well
Thu Feb 2, 2012, 05:48 PM
Feb 2012

when it comes to high pay for politicians or CEOs, on the other hand,I seem to recall that Jesus didn't think too highly of pols or bankers either. Maybe we should start treating that group"Biblically".

dixiegrrrrl

(60,010 posts)
5. arggghhhhh
Thu Feb 2, 2012, 05:57 PM
Feb 2012

Pls have a kind thought and some sympathy for those of us stuck with morans like that in the legislature.

LynneSin

(95,337 posts)
9. I know there are plenty of good liberals in the south..
Thu Feb 2, 2012, 06:09 PM
Feb 2012

it's just if it was up to politicians like this, he'd make sure that the masses are poorly educated. It was shown that lower IQ people tend to support republicans.

 

nadinbrzezinski

(154,021 posts)
11. I need to ask
Thu Feb 2, 2012, 07:08 PM
Feb 2012

From the good and well read Alabama state Senator Shadrack McGill, where exactly in the old or new testament cn I find that. I read the former in the original, and I really don't recal. Granted I read the latter in Spanish, so perhaps the King James is a better translation. One never knows...

But from what I recall teachers are actually cherished and respected in the old testament. Granted, modern day teachers don't have to manage messages from god to the people, or the misbehaving children of Israel who insisted on prayers and sacrifices to Baal, but god never said don't feed them.

Who knew? Should I send an email asking for the actual chapter and verse?

Johonny

(20,835 posts)
12. In the Paul letters
Thu Feb 2, 2012, 07:15 PM
Feb 2012

he basically says you should pay teachers and pay them well. Of course he was talking about religious teachers (of course he was there were no public schools then), but the interpretive point would seem to be early Christians seemed to think paying those that taught you was important. So important it was a repeat instruction than seems to have spanned several generations of early church writing. Thus it is a founding principal of the Christian church.

 

nadinbrzezinski

(154,021 posts)
13. Thanks but Paul,says to pay them well
Thu Feb 2, 2012, 07:20 PM
Feb 2012

Like the prophets...



Methinks the good senator needs to read it again.

Johonny

(20,835 posts)
20. Not only Paul
Thu Feb 2, 2012, 08:44 PM
Feb 2012

but it finds its way into the Gospels as well. Suggesting Jesus himself or at least the very initial members of the group thought paying teachers was important. The obvious reason being it is a notion found in the old testament as well. Would one think a book written by religious teachers would tell you teachers are not worth paying? Of course not. Apparently only people that don't read the bible but claim to speak from authority about it believe this is true. It is really sad It's sadder these people are in legislative positions.

tanyev

(42,552 posts)
14. Sell everything you have and give to the poor mandated by Jesus:
Thu Feb 2, 2012, 07:52 PM
Feb 2012

Mark 10:17-22

17 As Jesus started on his way, a man ran up to him and fell on his knees before him. “Good teacher,” he asked, “what must I do to inherit eternal life?”

18 “Why do you call me good?” Jesus answered. “No one is good—except God alone. 19 You know the commandments: ‘You shall not murder, you shall not commit adultery, you shall not steal, you shall not give false testimony, you shall not defraud, honor your father and mother.’”

20 “Teacher,” he declared, “all these I have kept since I was a boy.”

21 Jesus looked at him and loved him. “One thing you lack,” he said. “Go, sell everything you have and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven. Then come, follow me.”

22 At this the man’s face fell. He went away sad, because he had great wealth.

meow2u3

(24,761 posts)
16. In what alternative universe is it godly to underpay those who educate the next generation?
Thu Feb 2, 2012, 07:56 PM
Feb 2012

It's also Christian to take the food out of the mouths of children, the elderly, the poor, and the disabled

3waygeek

(2,034 posts)
17. So, by that logic,
Thu Feb 2, 2012, 07:57 PM
Feb 2012

politicians shouldn't be well paid, either. Somehow, I don't see Sen. McGill jumping on that bandwagon.

muriel_volestrangler

(101,307 posts)
19. His bid for re-election is: "I'm too shit to be a teacher, but pay me lots, and I won't take bribes"
Thu Feb 2, 2012, 08:23 PM
Feb 2012

Please, please, someone run against him using his own words. Even if he's in an area that won't elect a Democrat in the next millennium, there must be a Republican there who has a modicum of decency who would replace him for the good of the state.

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