Don't know if this is true, but you're going to hear about it: Obama Ballot Fraud in Indiana in '08

[WilliamPitt]

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Fraud Conviction tied to 2008 Obama victory

Updated: Friday, 29 Mar 2013, 5:51 PM EDT
Published : Friday, 29 Mar 2013, 5:51 PM EDT

By Jim Shella
WISH TV Indianapolis

INDIANAPOLIS (WISH) - Fraud was committed to get the name of Barack Obama on the ballot in St. Joseph County in 2008. A guilty plea entered Thursday could leave a stain on the Obama victory.

At the center of this story is Butch Morgan, a longtime Democratic Party leader who lost his post as St. Joseph County chair when the scandal broke. Morgan is accused of telling three people to forge names on a ballot petition including Bev Shelton who pleaded guilty to forgery and fraud. She has agreed to testify against the others.

"If she testifies truthfully," says Special Prosecutor Stan Levco, "we will recommend that she receives no jail time."

Morgan is scheduled to go on trial next month. In the meantime, there is speculation that the 2008 election could have turned out differently if not for crimes committed.

The rest: http://www.wishtv.com/dpp/news/politics/state_politics/fraud-conviction-tied-to-2008-obama-victory

Like I said, I have no idea what's behind this...but you can bet the house, farm, car, bank account and your best pair of shoes that the sun will come up Monday morning to OBAMA ILLEGITIMATE FRAUD WHAAAARGARBLE from the denizens of the right.

Bank it.

Easter Sunday Edit: Woop. There it is: https://www.google.com/#hl=en&output=search&sclient=psy-ab&q=obama+indiana+fraud+2008&oq=obama+indiana+fraud+2008&gs_l=hp.3..33i29i30l2.1305.5697.0.6378.24.24.0.0.0.0.118.1856.22j2.24.0.ckwqrh.1.0.0...1.1.7.psy-ab.9VZEdldMuPA&pbx=1&bav=on.2,or.r_cp.r_qf.&bvm=bv.44442042,d.dmg&fp=662e522e35defe69&biw=1654&bih=902

[Cooley Hurd]

1. ...like Indiana was a swing state

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Of course, Doocy will be obsessed come Monday morning.

[Spider Jerusalem]

31. Obama won Indiana by a 22k vote margin.

Less than 1% of the total vote.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_presidential_election_in_Indiana,_2008

Although this relates to the primary and not the general election (Hillary won the primary in Indiana; Obama was still the nominee and would still have been on the general election ballot).

[Tender to the Bone]

2. Good luck with your upcoming event.

I wish you the very best, and wish you good luck too.

When the little one sleeps, SLEEP! You'll need it!

[WilliamPitt]

3. Thanks!

[Brigid]

4. So are you a dad yet?

[WilliamPitt]

5. You think I'd have time to deal with Indy TV station stories

if I was?

[Brigid]

6. I thought about that after I posted.

[WilliamPitt]

7. After I'm a dad,

my posts will be more like, "How do I get poop off the curtains?"

[Tender to the Bone]

11. I'm sure you'll make heavy use of the Parenting forum here :)

I'll be lurking and helping out - I have a 4 year old car geek. He knows ALL the make and the model since he was 2.

And yes, he collects Hot Wheels/Matchbox and insists on looking over the cars before buying 'em so he doesn't have any duplicates.

He's that *smart*.

And he is trilingual. English, Hebrew (just started learning the language) and American Sign Language.

Make the best use of ASL to help communicate with the baby. My son has done well.

Common ASL words are: milk, food, sleep.

[Control-Z]

15. Parenting forum?

I was wondering just a few minutes ago whether we had something like that. I was thinking about where a question I have would belong. Thanks!

[Tender to the Bone]

30. Yup. It exists.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=forum&id=1160

Enjoy!

[angstlessk]

26. Here is an idea..do not use curtains as diapers

[WilliamPitt]

41. *headslap*

Why didn't I think of that?

[Thor_MN]

38. Resign yourself to the fact that you will, at some point, get it on your hands..

Don't fling it...

[pinboy3niner]

8. We thought you might have been Muncie-tasking

[bluedigger]

9. Shouldn't you be out boiling water and collecting sticks to bite?

That's how it was 'splained to me, anyways...

Thanks for the heads up, and best of luck with the impending arrival!

[WilliamPitt]

10. Thanks!

Water is boiling, sticks piled. Ready to go.

[Bolo Boffin]

12. Dang it, this is not how you handle a problem like this.

If push comes to shove, you announce it publically that you need more signature for the ballot petition and Democrats in Indiana drive from all over to sign the petition.

I mean, Obama won Indiana, so it shouldn't have been a problem to get the signatures. What it sounds like is that someone took the money to get the signatures and pocketed it. But that's just me speculating.

[fishwax]

14. it was for the primary

ftr, Clinton beat Obama in the primary, and her name was apparently on the ballot in that county through the same means.

[Bolo Boffin]

16. Ah.

Still, I'm glad someone's chasing down this junior-league BS.

ETA: Wow, that news report wasn't really putting that information all together for clarity, was it? One county's ballot for the primary election, not the state and not the general. It will be fodder for the rightwing conspiracy crowd, though, and this article seems to be happy to take the page hits.

[fishwax]

21. yeah, that particular report is so obfuscated it must be intentional

"ETA: Wow, that news report wasn't really putting that information all together for clarity, was it? One county's ballot for the primary election, not the state and not the general. It will be fodder for the rightwing conspiracy crowd, though, and this article seems to be happy to take the page hits."

[Control-Z]

18. Can you explain that a little further, please?

For the comprehensively challenged (me). First, I don't know what ftr means. So I guess the rest isn't really sinking in logically for me. Also my phone has a cracked screen, which should not make a difference, but it does by distracting me.

Thanks!

[fishwax]

20. ftr = for the record

The news story is strangely worded, making it difficult to tell, but the voter fraud in question was in the primary, not the general election.

Also, the democratic county leader who is accused of committing fraud to get Obama's name on the ballot also did the same thing to get Clinton's name on the ballot, according to the article:

The forged signatures came from petitions for a candidate for governor and were placed on petitions for both Obama and Hillary Clinton, who won a narrow victory in the 2008 Indiana Democratic Primary. While that election is long over, Republicans still hope to take advantage of the voter fraud scandal.

[Control-Z]

25. So these fraudulent votes

weren't votes, just signatures. And went to both Clinton and Obama to get them both on the primary ballot? Clinton won the primary but lost the nomination. Then Obama went on to win the state in the general? If I've got it right then big whoop (with regard to President Obama winning). That any kind of tampering went on is a big deal, however, imo.

[fishwax]

29. yep -- I think you've got it right

And I agree -- it shouldn't have happened and it's appropriate that the guy is being prosecuted for it. But as far as Obama and the election, yeah, big whoop.

[Babel_17]

13. It's all about the popular will, imo

With honest and reasonably competent people handling things there is no doubt in my mind that the will of the people would have been executed and candidate Obama's name would have been on the ballot.

Democracy should equal the will of the people.

Still, in any democracy, the devil is in the details and the rule of law deserves respect. I'm hoping this isn't as bad as it could be.

[demwing]

17. ah fer Christ's sake, just give Indiana back to the Republicans

Obama won in 2008 with 365 EC votes. Indiana only contributed 11 of those.

365-11= hmm...carry, the 1...no wait...oh hell, its still way the fuck more than the 270 minimum EC voted needed to win.

[craigmatic]

19. So we stole an election that's great news. When are they going to release a story about OH 04?

[madamesilverspurs]

22. Fox

will be having a howling group orgasm over this.

Same for Rush, all by himself.

[Honeycombe8]

23. Strange. How did this story break? Why would they even do that? Was it really necessary?

Did the forged names make a difference? It's possible some names were forged, but the # of names on the petition was enough over the limit for them not to make a difference.

[ProSense]

27. The RW is predictable

Obama issues Executive Order to investigate voter suppression
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022582875

Must have scared them.

[Life Long Dem]

24. Yawn

It's a big yawn too

[arely staircase]

28. i am sure i will find it in my in box at work on monday

also congrats to you, man. you will never get to watch a movie in its entirety again (or so it will seem.)

[defacto7]

32. Bought and paid testimony...

"If she testifies truthfully," says Special Prosecutor Stan Levco, "we will recommend that she receives no jail time."

You mean, if she says what you want her to say....

[Oilwellian]

33. It's quite a stretch to link Obama to this

Especially since it was a primary election and Clinton won in Indiana. Clinton won!!! And, and, and, then Obama won!!! Fraud! LOLOL

Poor, desperate Republicans. This takes the cake for pathetic.


Will, my friend, savor the silence while you still can. LOL Seriously though, bask in the gloriously intense emotions you and your wife are about to experience when you meet your child for the first time. There are just no words that can describe the life-changing emotions you will feel, but I will try. It's the essence of pure sweetness.

[OldDem2012]

34. Total bs. 2008 Indiana primary election. Who gives a crap at this point in time? nt.

[Spitfire of ATJ]

35. "wishtv"

[Initech]

36. Oh god the 100% fact free news network (Fox) will be all over this like moths to a bug Zapper.

[Fuddnik]

40. Right now, they're feeding their parrots loads of methamphetamine.

[nadinbrzezinski]

37. Oh cool, the Vince Foster scandal

We only need a body.

(If you got no idea, Hillary killed Vince Foster...just ask Fox so-called news)

[creeksneakers2]

39. Its not "ballot fraud"

Its fraud for a petition to put Obama's and Hillary's names on the primary ballot in one county. If Obama hadn't been on the ballot in that county it would have made no difference, since he lost the primary. The forgeries had no bearing at all on the final outcome of the general election.

[Honeycombe8]

42. The real story is that it was the Dem. PRIMARY, and they were pages of BOTH Clinton & Obama.

So it's not quite the big story that it appears from that particular site, if it's true. Still, it'll be all over the RW sites, of course. Why do stupid people do these stupid things? (fake sign petitions)

[WilliamPitt]

43. WOOP

There it is: https://www.google.com/#hl=en&output=search&sclient=psy-ab&q=obama+indiana+fraud+2008&oq=obama+indiana+fraud+2008&gs_l=hp.3..33i29i30l2.1305.5697.0.6378.24.24.0.0.0.0.118.1856.22j2.24.0.ckwqrh.1.0.0...1.1.7.psy-ab.9VZEdldMuPA&pbx=1&bav=on.2,or.r_cp.r_qf.&bvm=bv.44442042,d.dmg&fp=662e522e35defe69&biw=1654&bih=902