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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsDon't know if this is true, but you're going to hear about it: Obama Ballot Fraud in Indiana in '08
Last edited Sun Mar 31, 2013, 09:57 AM - Edit history (1)
Fraud Conviction tied to 2008 Obama victory
Updated: Friday, 29 Mar 2013, 5:51 PM EDT
Published : Friday, 29 Mar 2013, 5:51 PM EDT
By Jim Shella
WISH TV Indianapolis
INDIANAPOLIS (WISH) - Fraud was committed to get the name of Barack Obama on the ballot in St. Joseph County in 2008. A guilty plea entered Thursday could leave a stain on the Obama victory.
At the center of this story is Butch Morgan, a longtime Democratic Party leader who lost his post as St. Joseph County chair when the scandal broke. Morgan is accused of telling three people to forge names on a ballot petition including Bev Shelton who pleaded guilty to forgery and fraud. She has agreed to testify against the others.
"If she testifies truthfully," says Special Prosecutor Stan Levco, "we will recommend that she receives no jail time."
Morgan is scheduled to go on trial next month. In the meantime, there is speculation that the 2008 election could have turned out differently if not for crimes committed.
The rest: http://www.wishtv.com/dpp/news/politics/state_politics/fraud-conviction-tied-to-2008-obama-victory
Like I said, I have no idea what's behind this...but you can bet the house, farm, car, bank account and your best pair of shoes that the sun will come up Monday morning to OBAMA ILLEGITIMATE FRAUD WHAAAARGARBLE from the denizens of the right.
Bank it.
Easter Sunday Edit: Woop. There it is: https://www.google.com/#hl=en&output=search&sclient=psy-ab&q=obama+indiana+fraud+2008&oq=obama+indiana+fraud+2008&gs_l=hp.3..33i29i30l2.1305.5697.0.6378.24.24.0.0.0.0.118.1856.22j2.24.0.ckwqrh.1.0.0...1.1.7.psy-ab.9VZEdldMuPA&pbx=1&bav=on.2,or.r_cp.r_qf.&bvm=bv.44442042,d.dmg&fp=662e522e35defe69&biw=1654&bih=902
Cooley Hurd
(26,877 posts)Last edited Sat Mar 30, 2013, 11:32 PM - Edit history (1)
Of course, Doocy will be obsessed come Monday morning.Spider Jerusalem
(21,786 posts)Less than 1% of the total vote.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_presidential_election_in_Indiana,_2008
Although this relates to the primary and not the general election (Hillary won the primary in Indiana; Obama was still the nominee and would still have been on the general election ballot).
Tender to the Bone
(93 posts)I wish you the very best, and wish you good luck too.
When the little one sleeps, SLEEP! You'll need it!
WilliamPitt
(58,179 posts)Brigid
(17,621 posts)WilliamPitt
(58,179 posts)if I was?
Brigid
(17,621 posts)WilliamPitt
(58,179 posts)my posts will be more like, "How do I get poop off the curtains?"
Tender to the Bone
(93 posts)I'll be lurking and helping out - I have a 4 year old car geek. He knows ALL the make and the model since he was 2.
And yes, he collects Hot Wheels/Matchbox and insists on looking over the cars before buying 'em so he doesn't have any duplicates.
He's that *smart*.
And he is trilingual. English, Hebrew (just started learning the language) and American Sign Language.
Make the best use of ASL to help communicate with the baby. My son has done well.
Common ASL words are: milk, food, sleep.
Control-Z
(15,682 posts)I was wondering just a few minutes ago whether we had something like that. I was thinking about where a question I have would belong. Thanks!
Tender to the Bone
(93 posts)angstlessk
(11,862 posts)WilliamPitt
(58,179 posts)Why didn't I think of that?
Thor_MN
(11,843 posts)Don't fling it...
pinboy3niner
(53,339 posts)bluedigger
(17,085 posts)That's how it was 'splained to me, anyways...
Thanks for the heads up, and best of luck with the impending arrival!
WilliamPitt
(58,179 posts)Water is boiling, sticks piled. Ready to go.
Bolo Boffin
(23,796 posts)If push comes to shove, you announce it publically that you need more signature for the ballot petition and Democrats in Indiana drive from all over to sign the petition.
I mean, Obama won Indiana, so it shouldn't have been a problem to get the signatures. What it sounds like is that someone took the money to get the signatures and pocketed it. But that's just me speculating.
fishwax
(29,148 posts)ftr, Clinton beat Obama in the primary, and her name was apparently on the ballot in that county through the same means.
Still, I'm glad someone's chasing down this junior-league BS.
ETA: Wow, that news report wasn't really putting that information all together for clarity, was it? One county's ballot for the primary election, not the state and not the general. It will be fodder for the rightwing conspiracy crowd, though, and this article seems to be happy to take the page hits.
fishwax
(29,148 posts)"ETA: Wow, that news report wasn't really putting that information all together for clarity, was it? One county's ballot for the primary election, not the state and not the general. It will be fodder for the rightwing conspiracy crowd, though, and this article seems to be happy to take the page hits."
Control-Z
(15,682 posts)For the comprehensively challenged (me). First, I don't know what ftr means. So I guess the rest isn't really sinking in logically for me. Also my phone has a cracked screen, which should not make a difference, but it does by distracting me.
Thanks!
fishwax
(29,148 posts)The news story is strangely worded, making it difficult to tell, but the voter fraud in question was in the primary, not the general election.
Also, the democratic county leader who is accused of committing fraud to get Obama's name on the ballot also did the same thing to get Clinton's name on the ballot, according to the article:
Control-Z
(15,682 posts)weren't votes, just signatures. And went to both Clinton and Obama to get them both on the primary ballot? Clinton won the primary but lost the nomination. Then Obama went on to win the state in the general? If I've got it right then big whoop (with regard to President Obama winning). That any kind of tampering went on is a big deal, however, imo.
fishwax
(29,148 posts)And I agree -- it shouldn't have happened and it's appropriate that the guy is being prosecuted for it. But as far as Obama and the election, yeah, big whoop.
Babel_17
(5,400 posts)With honest and reasonably competent people handling things there is no doubt in my mind that the will of the people would have been executed and candidate Obama's name would have been on the ballot.
Democracy should equal the will of the people.
Still, in any democracy, the devil is in the details and the rule of law deserves respect. I'm hoping this isn't as bad as it could be.
demwing
(16,916 posts)Obama won in 2008 with 365 EC votes. Indiana only contributed 11 of those.
365-11= hmm...carry, the 1...no wait...oh hell, its still way the fuck more than the 270 minimum EC voted needed to win.
craigmatic
(4,510 posts)madamesilverspurs
(15,798 posts)will be having a howling group orgasm over this.
Same for Rush, all by himself.
Honeycombe8
(37,648 posts)Did the forged names make a difference? It's possible some names were forged, but the # of names on the petition was enough over the limit for them not to make a difference.
ProSense
(116,464 posts)http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022582875
Must have scared them.
Life Long Dem
(8,582 posts)arely staircase
(12,482 posts)also congrats to you, man. you will never get to watch a movie in its entirety again (or so it will seem.)
defacto7
(13,485 posts)"If she testifies truthfully," says Special Prosecutor Stan Levco, "we will recommend that she receives no jail time."
You mean, if she says what you want her to say....
Oilwellian
(12,647 posts)Especially since it was a primary election and Clinton won in Indiana. Clinton won!!! And, and, and, then Obama won!!! Fraud! LOLOL
Poor, desperate Republicans. This takes the cake for pathetic.
Will, my friend, savor the silence while you still can. LOL Seriously though, bask in the gloriously intense emotions you and your wife are about to experience when you meet your child for the first time. There are just no words that can describe the life-changing emotions you will feel, but I will try. It's the essence of pure sweetness.
OldDem2012
(3,526 posts)Spitfire of ATJ
(32,723 posts)Initech
(100,029 posts)Fuddnik
(8,846 posts)nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)We only need a body.
(If you got no idea, Hillary killed Vince Foster...just ask Fox so-called news)
creeksneakers2
(7,472 posts)Its fraud for a petition to put Obama's and Hillary's names on the primary ballot in one county. If Obama hadn't been on the ballot in that county it would have made no difference, since he lost the primary. The forgeries had no bearing at all on the final outcome of the general election.
Honeycombe8
(37,648 posts)So it's not quite the big story that it appears from that particular site, if it's true. Still, it'll be all over the RW sites, of course. Why do stupid people do these stupid things? (fake sign petitions)