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Found this on
The Republican War on Women fb page
"You're not going to want to hear it, but tough shit. It needs to be said and you need to be educated and stop acting like teabilly fuckheads (some of you) We are the ones with logic, so lets start acting like it. We are fucking up as a country and I am about to tell you why. I'm going to put the smack down of ALL smack downs on this pathetic and quite frankkly silly "outrage" about Obama signing this stupid little six month extension on an already existing law. All the liberal pages are running to his defense. "It was snuck in!" "He had no choice!" Give me a fucking break. Oh if only I had seen all of your outrage when......
the president filled key posts with Monsanto people, in federal agencies that wield tremendous force in food issues, the USDA and the FDA...
At the USDA, as the director of the National Institute of Food and Agriculture, Roger Beachy, former director of the Monsanto Danforth Center.
As deputy commissioner of the FDA, the new food-safety-issues czar, the infamous Michael Taylor, former vice-president for public policy for Monsanto. Taylor had been instrumental in getting approval for Monsanto's genetically engineered bovine growth hormone. (are you awake yet?)
As commissioner of the USDA, Iowa governor, Tom Vilsack. Vilsack had set up a national group, the Governors' Biotechnology Partnership, and had been given a Governor of the Year Award by the Biotechnology Industry Organization, whose members include Monsanto.
As the new Agriculture Trade Representative, who would push GMOs for export, Islam Siddiqui, a former Monsanto lobbyist.
As the new counsel for the USDA, Ramona Romero, who had been corporate counsel for another biotech giant, DuPont.
As the new head of the USAID, Rajiv Shah, who had preciously worked in key positions for the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation, a major funder of GMO agriculture research.
Obama nominated Elena Kagan to the US Supreme Court. Kagan, as federal solicitor general, had previously argued for Monsanto in the Monsanto v. Geertson seed case before the Supreme Court.
In the real activist world, they see Obama as a lobbyist for Monsanto already. So don't pretend to care NOW all of a sudden. He signed this six month extension of a already existing law that quite frankly nothing could have been done about it anyway, that part is true. But don't sit there and actually defend him like he's so god damn helpless, because you weren't saying a fucking thing when he gave his buddies at Monsanto key appointments as listed above. No one put a gun to his head any of those times and they didn't "sneak in" to their jobs! Stop being hypocrites, (some of you) pages and fans, the stupid is starting to really stink. The quicker you admit we have a huge problem, the quicker we can solve it. But don't defend what is wrong. Wrong is wrong. Deal with it"
DISCLAIMER: I did not write this, However, I do find it bothersome that we voted for change, and yet President Obama Keeps hiring the same lackeys any other candidate would have.
This is my biggest problem with Our President. He is really into GMO farming as if it will save the world. Meanwhile our First Lady is an Organic Farmer.
I know some of you will get mad at me for posting this. But I am not the one choosing these people to high level positions of Authority within the Government.
ANOTHER ADDITION:
Apparently the Original Source of this information comes from a Right-Wing Nut Job my apologies. I am not a wing nut in disguise. Infact I am a black female part of the 99% I don't believe the Republican party wants my support.
That being said, I still have a few questions of concern:
Why does Monsanto need so much protection from us consumers?
What are they doing the food, that makes them afraid of being sued?
Can we get a Surgeon General warning on all Monsanto products?
GitRDun
(1,846 posts)Obama has his good points, but there are some glaring flaws as well.
He's not exactly come down hard on Wall Street for the financial crisis.
No "look back" on Iraq.
He's clearly been better than McCain or Romney would have been, but he is definitely no enemy to big business.
Dustlawyer
(10,494 posts)Our system allows legalized bribery in the form of campaign contributions. Obama has given the corporations everything important to them. Because he is a Democrat, he is allowed to throw us some bones to keep up appearances. The lack of "backbone" complained of by us about our Democratic politicians is a nice way of saying they were bought off. Until we rise up in massive numbers in protest for complete campaign finance reform, this will continue, and get worse!
Newest Reality
(12,712 posts)Though I can only think of a few Presidents who seemed to buck the powerful system of controlling interests that function pervasively behind the facade.
It seems, the facade once worked much better as the propaganda flourished in a greater naivety. That still exists, but access to information only leaves willful ignorance and self-defeating denial.
xtraxritical
(3,576 posts)One exception might be Elizabeth Warren but the Senate would not cooperate. The President ran his last election in November and has no need anymore to pander to corporate interests yet he does. He also offers up SS and Medicare as grand bargaining chips. He's a complete bait and switch disappointment and has the "revolving door" mentality big time.
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xtraxritical
(3,576 posts)truedelphi
(32,324 posts)Someday maybe the Elizabeth Warrens will take the party back. Till then we have to keep on gfighting.
woo me with science
(32,139 posts)You are in the vast majority.
xtraxritical
(3,576 posts)I'm often sorry that my user name is xtraxritical, it wasn't my first choice. I now feel that it does not describe me aptly.
Hotler
(11,396 posts)protesting does and will not work and the real way to bring change is to just vote every two and four years. Nothing to see here. Please move along. Americans are too lazy to protest. Besides too many on both side of the isle have the "I have mine. Fuck the rest of you." attitude
woo me with science
(32,139 posts)The corporate-political propaganda is heavily geared toward encouraging passivity. The Third Way will pretend to encourage speaking out for liberal policies, but always and only in a quiet way, such as writing letters.
The PTB don't really care about quiet protest. The faith in writing letters is based on the antiquated notion that our "representatives" want to hear what we think and will adjust their behavior accordingly once they are told.
That's not what's going on at all. Our government is purchased by a monied elite. They have an agenda in mind that will make them trillions of dollars, and their goal is to keep us as quiet and passive as possible while they implement it.
They are not interested in hearing what we think, but in managing our anger so that it does not spread into something louder that they can no longer propagandize away.
Their greatest fear is that we will wake up together to realize that the two corporate parties are colluding on this agenda, and that we will unite, loudly and publicly, to stop them.
Skittles
(153,113 posts)the people have got to WAKE THE F*** UP already
DollarBillHines
(1,922 posts)The deal is down and done.
The Administration is packed with lackeys, pigs, sell-outs and whores.
Citizens United was the final tap on the tombstone of what used to be.
I weep for us all.
The Revolution was televised and no one could do a goddamned thing about it.
Skittles
(153,113 posts)it simply shocks me how many DUers are falling for it
Mnpaul
(3,655 posts)is that many don't realize how much we have lost. It has been this way for their whole lifetime. Back when I was in high school, two guys in the grade above me bought brand news cars working part time(30 hrs/wk) after school. They weren't just basic ones either. The were Nova SS models. Most people didn't have credit cards, they were only used by those who traveled for business. Twenty bucks would buy you three fourths of a tank of gas, a case of beer and a pack of smokes. You might even have some change left over. Today the same will cost you over sixty dollars and some of the jobs are now paying less than they were back then. Before Reagan we were the world's largest creditor not the world's largest debtor.
Hotler
(11,396 posts)blackspade
(10,056 posts)bing bing bing!
October
(3,363 posts)Having just watched the documentary, Food Inc., I continue to WAKE UP.
Monsanto and other corporate "citizens" run it all.
Wrong is wrong, be it Bush or Obama.
We need an "Awake" thread or Forum.
Marr
(20,317 posts)woo me with science
(32,139 posts)to split up the Democratic party. Monsanto is being enabled so that liberals will CRITICIZE Obama and fracture the party. If we all stand in DEFENSE of Monsanto, we will FOIL their plan, and we will be UNITED as DEMOCRATS!
Or something like that...
...........................
K&R. Thank you for sanity.
Logical
(22,457 posts)G_j
(40,366 posts)met with crickets....
whatchamacallit
(15,558 posts)Amazing the lengths people will travel to deny or obscure the obvious.
drokhole
(1,230 posts)jsr
(7,712 posts)We as Democrats must stand UNITED in our fight to combat the evils of Social Security and Medicare.
xtraxritical
(3,576 posts)I'm fed up with grand bargains, preemptive compromises and especially taxpayer funded bail outs of to big to fail and jail banks. Eric Holder, Bauer and the rest of this administrations appointments are just nauseating. I'm from Chicago and Obama apparently is nothing but a Chicago patronage pol. I'm sure he will be on the board of GE as soon as he leaves office.
SidDithers
(44,228 posts)Sid
xtraxritical
(3,576 posts)emsimon33
(3,128 posts)xtraxritical
(3,576 posts)Skittles
(153,113 posts)the usual pretzel logic only it is getting more and more ridiculous
AverageJoe90
(10,745 posts)Marr
(20,317 posts)Some of them actually worked fairly well. They were absolutely batshit wrong, of course-- and ridiculously complex, but they could work well enough to reinforce the view of the universe that people wanted to believe.
That's what I'm always reminded of when I hear one of those conspiracy defenses.
sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)to foil Republicans now is to support Monsanto. In a strange way those offering this advice, are acknowledging precisely what they think they are denying. They cannot defend this president's close ties to Monsanto as the evidence is to obvious. So the only thing left to do is the conjure up this fantasy that it is the Republicans again hoping to incite so much anger at them, that we will FORGET because it cannot be DENIED, the embrace of Monsanto by this administration.
edhopper
(33,484 posts)he is a moderate, DLC, corporatist Democrat.
MotherPetrie
(3,145 posts)Of COURSE he would have.
Logical
(22,457 posts)ProSense
(116,464 posts)"Prosense will explain it to us shortly."
...point out that you're a fucking stalker.
Friday
Logical
Who do you work for? Whitehouse? Seriously, I won't tell!
I promise!
Link for you......
http://upload.democraticunderground.com/10022592785
Curious of your opinion!
Get the fuck over yourself and stop posting moronic comments.
SidDithers
(44,228 posts)Sid
Logical
(22,457 posts)rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)a "fucking stalker".
ProSense
(116,464 posts)"If you sit at the "cool kids" table, you can get away with calling someone"
Aren't the "cool kids" the ones who can generate hundreds of recs? The ones who spend all their time harassing others and jumping into threads to call out other people, calling them "paid shills," implying that others are posting "commercials" and being highly upset that anyone supports the President?
The OP article is from September 2012. Why pretend the information in it is a surprise? If you didn't want to vote for the President, you had an opportunity to do so last November. If you voted for him, then don't pretend it's anyone else's fault. Don't pretend it's because you were ignorant of his appointments. Own your vote. Don't pretend your vote for the President is different from someone else's vote. If you think a vote for the President was a problem, then you are part of it.
People disagree on things, there is no need to be disingenuous.
rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)Apparently some here can get away with calling another poster a "fucking stalker" and get applause while others get hidden for calling someone a "bot". Both are rude but, like in jr. high, the cool kids get away with it.
ProSense
(116,464 posts)...self defense. Also, don't you love transparency? Of course, I can see why you would want to absolve the other poster of being "rude" for sending harassing PMs, but that's you. I get to defend myself.
xtraxritical
(3,576 posts)ProSense
(116,464 posts)Jakes Progress
(11,122 posts)Patented PS.
ProSense
(116,464 posts)Give yourself another pat on the back.
"Patented PS."
You spend way too much time on me.
Jakes Progress
(11,122 posts)And I don't get paid.
ProSense
(116,464 posts)Jakes Progress
(11,122 posts)Another patented post. Says nothing. Your n/t should be n/s.
Cha
(296,867 posts)shit.
Logical
(22,457 posts)Cha
(296,867 posts)They actually need to get a f****** life.
Logical
(22,457 posts)Cha
(296,867 posts)Logical
(22,457 posts)Cha
(296,867 posts)Logical
(22,457 posts)can block me anytime you want? Understand? Confused?
Cha
(296,867 posts)Logical
(22,457 posts)JaneyVee
(19,877 posts)woo me with science
(32,139 posts)The real point of that lengthy display was to build subthreads that have nothing to do with the Monsanto appointments.
Diversion is key.
Wind Dancer
(3,618 posts)michigandem58
(1,044 posts)Please do so.
We've crossed swords, but that's uncalled for.
bahrbearian
(13,466 posts)ProSense
(116,464 posts)"That e-mail had a question in it that you never answer, but everyone asks."
...idiotic question derived from some people's active imaginations. No, it's not a question "everyone asks."
Suggestion: Don't hold your breathe.
Logical
(22,457 posts)ProSense
(116,464 posts)Logical
(22,457 posts)a Obama criticism. Which you always do.
I don't think you understand the word "harassing".
KittyWampus
(55,894 posts)Congratulations.
PERFECT example of why I left DU for so long.
rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)rationalizing that they can be rude to anyone "they" decide is not righteous. If the poster is a stalker, notify the Admins and see if they agree.
Cha
(296,867 posts)I don't mean you. You're just the one who's calling the seats.
rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)if the Admins agree. I am objecting to the double standard here where some people can get away with being rude because they rationalize that they are righteous.
Again stalkers have no place in DU. There are ways to deal with that than trying to make GD into Meta.
Cha
(296,867 posts)a righteous call. Imagine being rude to a stalker.. The jury left it. No one likes a stalker. Now maybe he/she will back the fuck off.
KittyWampus
(55,894 posts)Logical
(22,457 posts)grahamhgreen
(15,741 posts)woo me with science
(32,139 posts)Got people to talk about anything but the Monsanto appointments.
Skittles
(153,113 posts)I feel like we're in the Twilight Zone - these folk would be HOWLING LIKE HYENAS if we did not have a Democratic president right now
woo me with science
(32,139 posts)It's all about the corporate Party.
Skittles
(153,113 posts)I'm not talking about the usual groupies - there are, you know, OTHERS
woo me with science
(32,139 posts)I see the same logins over and over again doing the vociferous defense.
Out in the country, I think we are all in various stages of waking up to a horrific truth: that the stories we have been fed our entire lives about this being a land of opportunity, where we have representatives working hard on our behalf, are myth and propaganda. Millions of us are waking up to the fact that our country has been lying to us, and that we are being used in a horrible way.
That 's a lot to take in, and I think we are all at different stages of being able and willing to face the truth.
WHEN CRABS ROAR
(3,813 posts)71 years of perspective.
Skittles
(153,113 posts)wow, the changes you have seen
woo me with science
(32,139 posts)Glad to meet you; I will be watching for your posts.
By the way, I love your screenname.
Skittles
(153,113 posts)WHEN CRABS ROAR
(3,813 posts)Skittles
(153,113 posts)yes INDEED
woo me with science
(32,139 posts)Marr
(20,317 posts)to help create an educational guide for "directing" online media discussions. The whole thing was about how to steer conversations-- or more accurately online dialogue in general-- in an entity's chosen direction.
It must be a fairly big industry by now.
rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)Skittles
(153,113 posts)but at the expense of your own f***ing future? They seem to care more for a politician then they do their own country. I'm starting to see too many DUers having too much in common with teabaggers
rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)believe. They cant be objective because it's a threat to their reality bubble (or denial bubble).
Maybe some ignorance can be a little blissful.
Whisp
(24,096 posts)At Sun Mar 31, 2013, 10:36 AM an alert was sent on the following post:
I'll be along shortly
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=2593036
REASON FOR ALERT:
This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate. (See <a href="http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=aboutus#communitystandards" target="_blank">Community Standards</a>.)
ALERTER'S COMMENTS:
I know this poster has a lot of fans, but no one should get away with calling another poster a "fucking stalker" even if we think it's true. If she is being "stalked" she should report it and let the Admin's take care of it. The post is clearly rude.
You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Sun Mar 31, 2013, 10:44 AM, and the Jury voted 1-5 to LEAVE IT.
Juror #1 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE and said: if someone is stalking prosense, it doesn't harm my sensibilities to be made aware of it.
Juror #2 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE and said: Are you kidding me? Leave it.
Juror #3 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE and said: No explanation given
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Juror #6 voted to HIDE IT and said: No explanation given
Thank you very much for participating in our Jury system, and we hope you will be able to participate again in the future.
SidDithers
(44,228 posts)Sid
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grahamhgreen
(15,741 posts)Bobbie Jo
(14,341 posts)"following" who would prefer you weren't here to repeatedly expose their bs.
KittyWampus
(55,894 posts)Or where you just trying to find an opportunity to insult someone?
SidDithers
(44,228 posts)Sid
Bobbie Jo
(14,341 posts)In_The_Wind
(72,300 posts)MineralMan
(146,262 posts)Making sure you know about a thread where you're going to be attacked is classic. Very revealing.
treestar
(82,383 posts)They ought to get an accusation of working for the Republican Party
Marr
(20,317 posts)Prosense his/herself has accused me of being a Republican plant on more than one occasion for being critical of this or that silly defense of an Obama policy. Also of being a "Hillary supporter", though I still don't know why that should matter.
grahamhgreen
(15,741 posts)at times, but we are on the same side.
ProSense
(116,464 posts)Electric Monk
(13,869 posts)grahamhgreen
(15,741 posts)Electric Monk
(13,869 posts)sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)power in his administration? It cannot be that he is not aware of the history of that evil Corporation. Especially to put one of them in charge, basically, of decisions about our food supply?
What possible motive could a Democratic president have for being so close to such an evil Corporation?
We were outraged by Bush Sr's close relationship with Monsanto. Can you explain these appointments?
Number23
(24,544 posts)and made the appointments personally. Girl, you are simply POWERFUL.
Good job exposing the fact that 1) this article is damn near seven months old and 2) some folks seem to spend alot of time worrying about who you work for and why you post here.
grahamhgreen
(15,741 posts)Just like John Perkins, you're already on the road to recovery!
rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)woo me with science
(32,139 posts)Why does he keep doing that?
For the very same reasons he keeps growing the police state, and supporting corporatization of our public schools, and pushing disastrous free trade agreements, and trying to cut the social safety net.
It's because corporate money floods our government and our media now, and both parties are aggressively carrying out the agenda of the one percent. It is a systemic problem of corporate money purchasing both parties, and until we are serious about removing corporate influence from our elections and the halls of government, we will continue to have this problem.
It is a problem that is threatening to end our country as we know it. it has nothing to do with individual politicians and their psychological idiosyncrasies or personal whims. It is a deadly serious SYSTEMIC problem of money driving policy, and we had better get serious about standing up together as Americans to demand an end to it....because change is not coming from inside this purchased system.
Heather MC
(8,084 posts)AndyA
(16,993 posts)Members of Congress spend a large chunk of their time not representing the people, but soliciting campaign donations. The taxpayers are paying them to further their careers in Congress.
Money must be taken out of the equation. Publicly financed campaigns are the way to go, that way every candidate has a fair shot at running for office. The people with the best ideas--the ones who could really make a difference--are also the ones who don't have millions in their bank accounts to run for office.
As long as we keep electing millionaires, we'll have a millionaire mentality making decisions for us. Those millionaires often have no concept what it's like for middle America, because they've never experienced it. They don't understand, can't comprehend, and as such can't represent.
green for victory
(591 posts)awoke_in_2003
(34,582 posts)rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)woo me with science
(32,139 posts)This isn't about any single purchased politician. It is about a monied elite purchasing into our government and using it to build a system that will protect and grow their wealth/power at our expense, long after Obama leaves office.
Autumn
(44,984 posts)At this point to me. Obama is irrelevant. He will be gone in 2016. The problem is the Congress and Senate and their "corporate sponsors" and it does us no good to elect these people just so they can put their little pets in main places in an administration to do the work that a select few want.
Fuddnik
(8,846 posts)He wouldn't have given them the tax breaks and subsidies to buy it with. And funnel it back to the politicians.
MotherPetrie
(3,145 posts)dreampunk
(88 posts)Look around you. Each and every one of you just STOP and look around. Look around and think at the same time. This is not something that "is going to happen." THIS IS SOMETHING THAT HAS HAPPENED AND WILL CONTINUE TO HAPPEN.
What's the deal? Are we AFRAID to go out into the streets and raise hell? Are we too comfortable with our gasoline automobiles and EVERYTHING that is made with the use of the poison black goo?
I suppose that we are, is what I suppose....
The "occupy" movement should have grown throughout this country like stink from a paper mill on graveyard shift, but it didn't.
Our outrage on paper is important, yes. Reading Greg Palast is important, yes. Can we change it? Will we change it? Are our protests and meaningful scribblings helpful? I always believe when I write to my Senators and "representative", then find that we have been sold down the creek one more time.
Please pardon my rant. It's is just my first cup of coffee and brain might not be quite in gear yet...
woo me with science
(32,139 posts)truedelphi
(32,324 posts)WHEN CRABS ROAR
(3,813 posts)and made afraid of doing anything meaningful, for fear of loosing their jobs.
But it's just not about our country, the corporate tentacles have encircled the world.
progressoid
(49,951 posts)GitRDun
(1,846 posts)Corporate greed and government complicity is exceeded by only the stubborn unwillingness or incapability of the public to learn what is going on and do something about it.
blackspade
(10,056 posts)ronnie624
(5,764 posts)UnrepentantLiberal
(11,700 posts)He does it because he's a Third Way conservative.
You need to fix your OP title to say "shills".
SylviaD
(721 posts)Obama Z****** (I've been told I shouldn't use that term anymore) to bother spitting into the wind anymore.
I'm a 99% lurker 1% poster since I joined here in 2008. But never have I seen so many with blinders on. If Obama's policies were being enacted by someone with an R by their name many of the same people would be marching in the streets. And with good reason because some of the things President Obama has done SHOULD be bringing us into the streets in protest. Yet meek as a mouse we go forward.
I don't get it, I'm obviously not in the mainstream of this site.
I am sad.
woo me with science
(32,139 posts)Their purpose is to get you to doubt that you are in the majority. Don't buy it for a moment.
Part of what the one percent have created as they have purchased into our government is a devastating propaganda machine to create exactly the type of helplessness you express here. They have purchased both parties, and they have purchased our media, and don't think for a moment that "media" is limited to the cable television channels and newspapers. Corporate-political propaganda is as ubiquitous now on the internet as surveillance is now in our daily lives, and discussion boards like this are a major focus of the corporate political elite. Money talks, and these people have very deep pockets. You will have a very difficult time these days finding any major discussion board on the internet that is not heavily patrolled and propagandized by those who have an interest in shaping public opinion and responses. DU is no exception.
If you watch the board closely over time, you will see the patterns and the tactics coming from the very same group, over and over and over again. Their goal, quite simply, is to create the illusion that their views are mainstream and to intimidate people from expressing opinions critical of the corporate status quo in our party. But watch the actual recs, and you will see that you are very much in the majority when it comes to opinions about policy. The purveyors of Third Way corporatism will use every tactic to talk about anything but the policies; they will personalize the discussion, they will try to make it all about Obama and loyalty to the party, and they will try to swarm and intimidate and mock you. Their goal is to create the impression that everyone thinks as they do, and that you are in the minority.
But you aren't. Recs here on the actual policies coming out of this administration show clearly and devastatingly that you aren't. Polls of Americans across the country show clearly and devastatingly that you aren't.
You are part of a vast majority of Americans who recognize that something is seriously, seriously wrong with our "representative" system and the institutions, like our media, that have historically played the role of watchdog for corruption. We do not have a government that is using its resources to serve the people. We have a government serving the interests of a monied elite. They have an agenda for profit, and their goal is no longer to represent us, but to use every resource they have, and can buy, to keep us as passive and submissive as possible while they implement that agenda.
The propaganda has reached the point of being blatantly Orwellian. That is why you feel crazy and out of step. We are continually told that things are getting better, while we observe every single day a new, serious betrayal by those who claim to represent us. You are not crazy. Things are not getting better. They are getting worse. The chocolate ration has not been increased.
Trust yourself. Keep speaking out. Watch the board closely and see how the game works. Don't let the propaganda win.
russspeakeasy
(6,539 posts)Slit Skirt
(1,789 posts)We have a real problem, and quite frankly I can't believe I am still saying this: "people need to wake up"
There is no real left-right paradigm. They only want you to think that. They (people in power) want us to argue with each other, choose sides, call each other names, swallow bitter pills called bad dangerous policies in the name of "our side" and basically hate each other. If we are fighting all the time, we are kept busy and don't pay attention to the crimes that are committed in DC (and locally). It is actually brilliant strategy and it has worked for a long time. That is why people like Rush are paid so much to continue the hate. I believe though, that people are starting to see through this, particularly when it comes to the safety of our food and water.
We need a new paradigm. One where we all unite and fight the problems that are dangerous to our health, our families, our very existence. Once we unite and fight the 1%...game over ya'll. They can't win if we all come together...please think about that. That is why the 1% was flipping out over Occupy...it had the real potential to unite.
woo me with science
(32,139 posts)You're absolutely right that the two-party system is a ruse used primarily now to control us and ensure we will never unite against what they are doing to us.
We need to become the 99 percent, absolutely.
Slit Skirt
(1,789 posts)next question...next step?
choie
(4,107 posts)I love your posts - they keep me sane. Keep at it, PLEASE!!!!
tiredtoo
(2,949 posts)I am tempted to copy and paste your post to my facebook page. Excellent post !
SylviaD
(721 posts)WHEN CRABS ROAR
(3,813 posts)blackspade
(10,056 posts)rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)pscot
(21,024 posts)They like to think they're the mainstream, but they'r ereally just a noisy claque. The "mainstream" is, as always, clueless, and will follow where they're led. Keep speaking out. It does make a difference.
SylviaD
(721 posts)Sid
L0oniX
(31,493 posts)Need an example? Look at the response to your post. Look up and down this thread.
SylviaD
(721 posts)woo me with science
(32,139 posts)That should tell you something about the empty noise of the propagandists.
Yes, you see clearly, and you are in the majority.
bahrbearian
(13,466 posts)Heather MC
(8,084 posts)I showed up at Walmart one day and started folding clothes.
by the end of the week, I had my first pay check
KG
(28,751 posts)Buzz Clik
(38,437 posts)The new director came from academia, and Obama did NOT appoint him.
I have great suspicions about the accuracy of this article.
green for victory
(591 posts)everywhere he could stick one?
awoke_in_2003
(34,582 posts)"The creatures outside looked from pig to man, and from man to pig, and from pig to man again; but already it was impossible to say which was which."
Octafish
(55,745 posts)Well-fed and in-charge.
ProSense
(116,464 posts)"Obama nominated Elena Kagan to the US Supreme Court. Kagan, as federal solicitor general, had previously argued for Monsanto in the Monsanto v. Geertson seed case before the Supreme Court....DISCLAIMER: I did not write this, However, I do find it bothersome that we voted for change, and yet President Obama Keeps hiring the same lackeys any other candidate would have. "
Glad you didn't write the OP because it's silly as hell.
Heather MC
(8,084 posts)What is your comment about that.
Stop deflecting the issues with silly attacks about correct grammar.
ProSense
(116,464 posts)"What is your comment about that. Stop deflecting the issues with silly attacks about correct grammar."
...that labeling Elena Kagan a "Monsanto shill" is silly as hell.
Heather MC
(8,084 posts)I why hire so many people that have a financial connections to that company.
OKNancy
(41,832 posts)SidDithers
(44,228 posts)Sid
AnotherMcIntosh
(11,064 posts)That's kind of like a Commander in Chief who lacks the power to close Gitmo.
woo me with science
(32,139 posts)the personalization, the mocking, and the attempt to talk about anything but policy.
Mute the commercials.
ProSense
(116,464 posts)I approve that message.
Mute the noise.
Response to ProSense (Reply #40)
Post removed
ProSense
(116,464 posts)How is that an "attack" on you?
Here is what I said: "Glad you didn't write the OP because it's silly as hell."
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=2593065
rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)woo me with science
(32,139 posts)of how shameless and transparent the attack and diversionary tactics become when the issue is considered desperately important by the corporate defense team.
Locked out or not, the OP can be pleased to see this voted to the top of the Greatest Page.
rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)What disappoints me is that we have Democrats that try to eliminate all discussions that dont agree with their point of view.
For some rationalization is the key to happiness.
woo me with science
(32,139 posts)The one percent invest heavily in advertising and propaganda.
rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)bad data that might shatter their bubble.
They alerted on my post 290, but failed on that. http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=2597306
Jakes Progress
(11,122 posts)This one plays with factoids and non-sequitor items to draw attention away from the facts that matter.
Yes Obama appoints pro-corporate, pro-banking types all the time. But this one avoids addressing that. This one might attempt to deflect how similar Obama's education plan is to the neo-con dream by saying something like "Oh yeah. Well Obama has two daughters." Yep. That's a fact. But it has nothing to do with the subject under discussion. This one has a hard job to do, but does put in the hours.
You are right. Ignore the kind of shilling going on with this one.
bvar22
(39,909 posts)...unless I was well compensated.
Jakes Progress
(11,122 posts)feel that what they get is worth the time. Like you, I don't know how much it is, but I think I would charge more. At least they can spread the work around. From some it seems like a whole office on duty. Some are smarter than others. Some seem to just be on night duty.
Octafish
(55,745 posts)Leura Canary got a nice letter of rec, too.
AnotherMcIntosh
(11,064 posts)...
"So what was Kagan's role? As Solicitor General, she filed a brief in Berghuis v. Thompkins for the United States as amicus curiae (friend of the Court). The U.S. was not a party in the case since Thompkins had been convicted in state court and it was the State of Michigan that challenged the lower court's ruling. Kagan did not have to enter the fray and take a position, but she decided to do so.
"Kagan's brief was even more aggressive than Michigan's. In a 1994 case, Davis v. United States, the justices ruled that if a suspect first waives his rights and then later wants a lawyer, the person has to invoke that right clearly in order to require officers to stop questioning. Kagan's position -- accepted by the majority in Thompkins -- was that Davis should be extended to the right to remain silent and to cases where a person has not already waived his or her rights. By contrast, the State of Michigan sought to win on a narrower ground. We cannot know whether Kagan's arguments convinced the majority to issue such a broad decision. But the Solicitor General, often called the "Tenth Justice," is a very influential player.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/charles-weisselberg/elena-kagan-and-the-death_b_596447.html
Cal Carpenter
(4,959 posts)This has nothing to do with whether he believes in 'GMO farming saving the world'.
This is just more of the same economics that have been going on for decades, despite a very few, usually short-lived, nominal, or underfunded exceptions.
It's not about Obama. I don't say that to take the responsibility off his shoulders, but it is part of a bigger picture of which he is just one player in one period of time. In fact, given a brief glance at history, it would be much more surprising or confusing if he did NOT put corporate shills in major gov't positions.
It's not even about Monsanto in particular. As easy as it is to revile the corporation, a monopolistic agriculture company with nothing but profit in mind by any other name...well...
How many decades of these patterns must we see before we stop being surprised or confused about it?
Heather MC
(8,084 posts)It's just business as usual, He said we are the change. But how can we change a damn thing, when the change we elected does the same thing as everyone else?
Don't Misunderstand stand me I for dayum sure didn't want a President Romney, I just want a Government of the people, by the people FOR the people.
And Corporations are not FOR the people, even if they are "a people, my friend" lol
Cal Carpenter
(4,959 posts)Your question: "how can we change a damn thing, when the change we elected does the same thing as everyone else?"
is a good one, but I think to answer it, we have to take a step back and consider another question:
If we don't have any semblance of economic democracy, can we possibly have a functioning political democracy?
Are the people's voices or the 'common good' even relevant in US electoral politics today, given the influence of big $$ over elections, pres appointments, lobbyists writing legislation, etc?
Can this influence ever be changed by people elected in the current system?
Not trying to derail the thread or take it off topic, but I don't think it is a stretch to say very little, if any, significant, lasting change can happen through the ballot box.
Even the New Deal didn't come from the ballot box. It came from millions of Americans literally risking life and limb to protest the conditions created by capitalism, in their workplaces and in the streets....
At this point, the global character of capitalism makes it even harder, because even if we managed to get the US political system to reflect and work for the benefit of the common good, the global economic system in which we have to exist will constantly push back, and generally with more resources and firepower (see Latin America and how some of its nations' efforts to protect it's people and resources from global capitalism has gone over the last several decades).
While this may not be a popular viewpoint here on a partisan, election-oriented site, the bottom line is that historically and objectively, the most significant and lasting changes come from independent movements that have forced the politician's hands at threat of mass uprising, 'commies' , etc, but not from the ballot box itself.
It all comes down to how much change one thinks is necessary or acceptable.
Heather MC
(8,084 posts)to fight to change it. We are living a life run on credit, and if WE don't pay our personal debt we are criminals.
And Participation is mandatory.
limpyhobbler
(8,244 posts)We really need a big social movement if we want to get more power. Politics is necessary but putting all of our energy into politics and elections is not working. We need to build power in labor, media, education, churches, consumer groups, environmental groups, and other such things, to have a real base of power that is separate from the political system.
HiPointDem
(20,729 posts)woo me with science
(32,139 posts)mountain grammy
(26,598 posts)Of course we can't give the president a pass on this, but let's be realistic too. It comes down to the people and whenever they decide to put an end to the corporatism we've allowed to take hold in the name of sacred capitalism and the "free market."
truth2power
(8,219 posts)MannyGoldstein
(34,589 posts)The President, like Elizabeth Warren, feels that the game has been rigged by Wall Street insiders for too long. By publicly appointing Monsanto drones to every position he can, he's being TRANSPARENT. He's telling us to buy Monsanto stock now, because Monsanto's getting everything it wants for the next four years.
Invest now! Our President will make you as rich as Lanny Breuer!
Now every American can know which companies have been selected to win, not just Wall Street insiders. Change has come to America.
Regards,
Third-Way Manny
ProSense
(116,464 posts)"He's fulfilling his promise to help the Middle Class"
...he is. I don't think the OP changes that. Do you think Kagan's nomination to the SCOTUS was wrong?
Elena Kagan proves that DOMA's original intent was bigotry, not tradition
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022575460
HHS finalizes rule guaranteeing 100 percent funding for new Medicaid beneficiaries
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022584523
President Obama's health care reform did the unthinkable: raised taxes on the rich.
It also did more for inequality than any other legislation in decades.
There is a debate about the impact of the recent tax deal, but simple arithmetic shows the reality.
Pre Bush tax cuts: lowest tax bracket 15 percent and top tax bracket 39.6 percent.
Bush tax cuts: lowest tax bracket 10 percent and top tax bracket 35 percent.
President Obama's tax deal, lowest rate 10 percent, top rate 39.6 percent.
Do the math and it will show that the gap between someone earning $50,000 and someone earning $500,000 closed to more than what it was in the 1990s. Add the health care law tax and the gap closes even more.
Perhaps the best prism through which to see the Democrats gains is inequality. In the 2008 campaign, Mr. Obama said that his top priority as president would be to create bottom-up economic growth and reduce inequality...In the 2009 stimulus, he insisted on making tax credits fully refundable, so that even people who did not make enough to pay much federal tax would benefit. The 2010 health care law overhaul was probably the biggest attack on inequality since it began rising in the 1970s, increasing taxes on businesses and the rich to pay for health insurance largely for the middle class.
http://www.nytimes.com/2013/01/03/us/politics/for-obama-fiscal-deal-is-a-victory-that-also-holds-risks.html
Some notes for myself: how much impact have Obamas policies actually had on current and prospective inequality?
The main policies to consider are PPACA (the health reform) and ATRA (the fiscal cliff deal with its associated tax rise).
Im not a fan of the Tax Foundations work, but their analysis of the distributional effects of Obamacare looks about right: significant benefits to the bottom half of the income distribution, paid for largely by taxes on the top few percent (the Medicare surcharge and the extra tax on investment income). The Tax Policy Center whose work I do trust has the Act reducing the after-tax income of the top 1 percent by 1.8 percent, the top 0.1 percent by 2.5 percent.
Meanwhile, ATRA raises taxes relative to a continuation of the Bush high-end tax cuts: after-tax income down 4.5 percent for the 1-percenters, 6.2 percent for the top 0.1 percent.
Putting this together, we have a roughly 6 percent hit to the 1 percent, around 9 to the superelite. Thats only a partial rollback of these groups huge gains since 1980, but its not trivial.
http://krugman.blogs.nytimes.com/2013/01/20/obama-and-redistribution/
Do the math.
A key element of the Affordable Care Act (ACA) is the expansion of Medicaid to nearly all individuals with incomes up to 138 percent of the federal poverty level (FPL) ($15,415 for an individual; $26,344 for a family of three in 2012) in 2014. Medicaid currently provides health coverage for over 60 million individuals, including 1 in 4 children, but low parent eligibility levels and restrictions in eligibility for other adults mean that many low income individuals remain uninsured. The ACA expands coverage by setting a national Medicaid eligibility floor for nearly all groups. By 2016, Medicaid, along with the Childrens Health Insurance Program (CHIP), will cover an additional 17 million individuals, mostly low-income adults, leading to a significant reduction in the number of uninsured people.
Medicaid does not cover many low-income adults today. To qualify for Medicaid prior to health reform, individuals had to meet financial eligibility criteria and belong to one of the following specific groups: children, parents, pregnant women, people with severe disability, and seniors. Non-disabled adults without dependent children were generally excluded from Medicaid unless the state obtained a waiver to cover them. The federal government sets minimum eligibility levels for each category, which are up to 133% FPL for pregnant women and children but are much lower for parents (under 50% FPL in most states). States have the option to expand coverage to higher incomes, but Medicaid eligibility levels for adults remain very limited (Figure 1). Seventeen states limit Medicaid coverage to parents earning less than 50 percent of poverty ($9,545 for a family of 3), and only eight states provide full Medicaid coverage to other low-income adults. State-by state Medicaid eligibility levels for parents and other adults are available here.
The ACA expands Medicaid to a national floor of 138% of poverty ($15,415 for an individual; $26,344 for a family of three). The threshold is 133% FPL, but 5% of an individuals income is disregarded, effectively raising the limit to 138% FPL. The expansion of coverage will make many low-income adults newly eligible for Medicaid and reduce the current variation in eligibility levels across states. To preserve the current base of coverage, states must also maintain minimum eligibility levels in place as of March 2010, when the law was signed. This requirement remains in effect until 2014 for adults and 2019 for children. Under the ACA, states also have the option to expand coverage early to low-income adults prior to 2014. To date, eight states (CA, CT, CO, DC, MN, MO, NJ and WA) have taken up this option to extend Medicaid to adults. Nearly all of these states previously provided solely state- or county-funded coverage to some low-income adults. By moving these adults to Medicaid and obtaining federal financing, these states were able to maintain and, in some cases, expand coverage. Together these early expansions covered over half a million adults as of April 2012.
Eligibility requirements for the elderly and persons with disabilities do not change under reform although some individuals with disabilities may become newly eligible under the adult expansion. Lawfully residing immigrants will be eligible for the Medicaid expansion, although many will continue to be subject to a five-year waiting period before they may enroll in coverage. States have the option to eliminate this five-year waiting period for children and pregnant women but not for other adults. Undocumented immigrants will remain ineligible for Medicaid.
- more -
http://www.kff.org/medicaid/quicktake_aca_medicaid.cfm
Report Card on Health Care Reform
By THE EDITORIAL BOARD
Republican leaders in Congress regularly denounce the 2010 Affordable Care Act and vow to block money to carry it out or even to repeal it. Those political attacks ignore the considerable benefits delivered to millions of people since the laws enactment three years ago Saturday. The main elements of the law do not kick in until Jan. 1, 2014, when many millions of uninsured people will gain coverage. Yet it has already thrown a lifeline to people at high risk of losing insurance or being uninsured, including young adults and people with chronic health problems, and it has made a start toward reforming the costly, dysfunctional American health care system.
EXPANDING COVERAGE Starting in 2010, all insurers and employers that offer dependent coverage were required to offer coverage to dependent children up to age 26. An estimated 6.6 million people ages 19 through 25 have been able to stay on or join their parents plans as result, with more than 3 million previously uninsured young adults getting health insurance. The law requires private health insurers to provide free preventive care, without co-pays or deductibles. Some 71 million Americans have received at least one free preventive service, like a mammogram or a flu shot, and an additional 34 million older Americans got free preventive services in 2012 under Medicare.
<...>
The law appropriated $11 billion over five years to build and operate community health centers, a major factor in increasing the annual number of patients served to 21 million, a rise of 3 million from previous levels. Some $5 billion has been put into a reinsurance program that has encouraged employers to retain coverage for retirees and their families; 19 million people benefited with reduced premiums or cost-sharing.
<...>
BETTER QUALITY OF CARE One of the most promising aspects of the health reform act is its focus on improving quality. The percentage of Medicare patients requiring readmission to the hospital within 30 days of discharge dropped from an average of 19 percent over the past five years to 17.8 percent in the last half of 2012, an improvement due in large part to penalties imposed by Medicare for poor performance and financial incentives paid by Medicare to providers to encourage better coordination of care after a patient leaves the hospital.
- more -
http://www.nytimes.com/2013/03/24/opinion/sunday/report-card-on-health-care-reform.html
Here's a summary of the NYT report:
- Some 6.6 million people ages 19 through 25 who have been able to stay on their parents' insurance plans and more than than 3 million young adults getting health insurance.
- 17 million getting some kind of free preventive service, like flu shots, and 34 million Medicare recipients getting free preventive services in 2012;
- 17 million children with pre-existing conditions being protected against being uninsured;
- More than 107,000 adults with pre-existing conditions finally having insurance under the federally run insurance program;
- 21 million received care from expanded community health centers, 3 million more than previously served;
- $1.1 billion in rebates, an average of $151 per family paid by insurers that failed to meet the benchmark of 80 to 85 percent of premium revenues on medical claims or quality improvements;
- Since 2010, more than 6.3 million older or disabled people have saved more than $6.3 billion on prescription drugs;
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2013/03/25/1196892/-An-Affordable-Care-Act-report-card-three-years-in
There is a reason Republicans want to repeal this law.
mountain grammy
(26,598 posts)There really is a reason Republicans hate this law...
99Forever
(14,524 posts)The answer is obvious to anyone honest enough to see it for what it is, and it sure as fuck ISN'T 11th dimensional chess.
SidDithers
(44,228 posts)which is run by right-wing, libertarian, AIDS-denying, anti-vaccine, asshole dumbfuck Mike Adams. This particular "article" was written by Jon Rappaport, who runs a similarly right-wingnut, Sandy Hook truther, nutball site called nomorefakenews, where you can read such illuminating bullshit as:
The hoax at the bottom of Autism and Alzheimers
James Holmes, and how the CIA hid the MKULTRA mind-control program
The hideous BAM in Obama: map your brain for your own good
Sandy Hook actors, robots, androids, television creations
DEAR DALLAS: NO ONE EVER PROVED WEST NILE DISEASE EXISTS!
HOW SWINE FLU WAS INVENTED AND USED TO CONTROL THE GLOBAL POPULATION
MENTAL DISORDERS DO NOT EXIST
OPERATION CHAOS: OBAMACARE AND MURDER
Shame on you for bringing that bullshit to DU without researching the original source first.
Sid
ProSense
(116,464 posts)http://www.naturalnews.com/037310_barack_obama_monsanto_lobbyist.html
SidDithers
(44,228 posts)DU used to have standards. Apparently anti-Obama attacks from right-wing sources are just peachy at DU now.
Better believe it!
Sid
ProSense
(116,464 posts)Obviously, no one with any sense bought into that bullshit.
We're a couple of months into the President's second term.
Screw the RW.
SidDithers
(44,228 posts)the Obama Haters, who will cheer anything as long as it fits what they already think, are out in full force here.
Sid
sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)Why are some people on DU supporters of that evil, right wing, Corporation? You do know that Monsanto is a Republican Corporation do you not? So why would a Democratic President be so close to such a Right Wing Corporation?
SidDithers
(44,228 posts)Sid
sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)That is a question every Democrat in this country is asking.
Maybe you don't understand, Monsanto is a Republican Corporation, always supported by Republicans. They got the power they have from Republicans. Democrats have always opposed this Corporation.
I can understand very well why it is a very difficult question to answer, but it will continue to be asked until people get an answer.
I was contacted today by a large Democratic organization wrt to this major problem in our party. I and every Democrat I know will be working to remove from Congress, and to oppose any candidate who is in any way connected to Monsanto.
I see you say you are concerned about 'right wing sources'. I am finding it hard to believe that anyone who supports Right Wing Corporations like Monsanto, could possibly be concerned about Right Wing Sources. There is no more Right Wing Source than Monsanto.
Can you explain this contradiction? It makes zero sense to me.
rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)To some personalities are more important than principles.
Sheepshank
(12,504 posts)And having looked through the balance of this thread, there are still a couple of missing names...pretty sure they will show up, but I'd like to put a bow on it all and call it done, so will check back at the end of the day lol
JoePhilly
(27,787 posts)Hillary is President.
SidDithers
(44,228 posts)they'll be pissed if any Republican is President, except maybe Rand Paul. There was lots of #StandwithRand exhibited around here a couple of weeks ago.
They live in some fantasy world where Jill Stein or Rocky Anderson or Gary Fucking Johnson will be President / Dictator.
Hard to believe the level of political naivety exhibited at DU sometimes.
Sid
JoePhilly
(27,787 posts)Comrade_McKenzie
(2,526 posts)It's nauseating to see so many "Democrats" have so much hate for our President that they would rally around a libertarian news article.
Heather MC
(8,084 posts)However, bad source or not is it true? Are alot of Our President's appointees Shills for Corporations? If so no matter the original source that collected the list, it is a problem. Particularly, when it concerns our food supply.
If Monsanto is getting politicians to create laws that protect them from being sued by us the consumers. Why? What are they doing to Our food supply, that makes them fearful they will be sued one day?
SidDithers
(44,228 posts)including the link, date and real article title, so people know where it's actually coming from.
I don't give credence to any-fucking-thing posted at naturalnews.
Sid
Heather MC
(8,084 posts)I still want to know why Mansanto needs all this protection? I think it's because their food should come with a Surgeon General's warning like Cigarettes do
woo me with science
(32,139 posts)dreampunk
(88 posts)links are good. It's not difficult and it IS nice to see who actually wrote a given article, and the actual writer enjoys an occasional "atta boy" just like anyone else.
Number23
(24,544 posts)They, and only they know the truth. And the recs prove it!one! I read it from someone in this very thread so it must be true!!!
HOW SWINE FLU WAS INVENTED AND USED TO CONTROL THE GLOBAL POPULATION
Wow.
SidDithers
(44,228 posts)the guy who wrote the unsourced facebook post in the OP, also wrote this:
DUers are cheering on a certified "HIV doesn't cause AIDS" asshat.
Hope those 132 reccers are fucking proud of themselves.
Sid
Bobbie Jo
(14,341 posts)Why do you support Monsanto? Why do you hate America?
The tinfoilers must be connecting to an exceptionally clear frequency today.
Number23
(24,544 posts)they represent DU, America and planet earth as a whole. And boy they are squealing up and down this thread, same 3-4 names over and over again.
I've seen the stupidest, most poorly source anti-Obama spiels get twice these recs, some even more dumb and poorly sourced than this "article" which was so bad the OP didn't even include a freaking link. The stench of desperation in all of this is sort of pathetic, actually.
forestpath
(3,102 posts)Even richer no matter how much its at the expense of the health, well being, or livelihoods of the rest of us over any other rights.
truedelphi
(32,324 posts)That criminal behavior is tolerated, as long as it comes from the One Percent and involves MASSIVE CRIMINAL behavior. Meanwhile, don't grow marijuana in California or they might come for you without even getting warrants. (DOJ, ICE and DEA and local police came for 31 households in Santa Rosa on the suspicion that they might be growing the stuff, Sept 27th 2012. Yet another broken Presidential pledge!)
cantbeserious
(13,039 posts)eom
tiredtoo
(2,949 posts)The daily barrage of fund raising emails continues to flow. While Obama is better then the other choice available last election, he is far from what I had hoped for.
ChairmanAgnostic
(28,017 posts)you know, 11th dimensional chess and all that.
broadcaster75201
(387 posts)I used to be Conservative WAY back in the day (worked on the Nixon campaign at the State level). I've spotted Obama as a Conservative from the get go. I am VERY Liberal now and voted for Obama both times, but anyone who dosn't think Obama is an old school conservative is very much fooling themselves.
Phlem
(6,323 posts)simple as that. Once that knowledge is applied then all his actions become clear. Yeay for us, we're fighting over the fact that he is either a perfect moderate republican or to much. Way to go Dems!
Am I too "left" of the party with this post? Does that make my point non valid because I lean in the Independent direction with Bernie? Cause ya'll know Independents luv's to eats the stoopid cearialz in the mornink, or how ever they are portrayed by the media and supported by the ignorance of a population believing and supporting this urban myth.
I am left of Obama, I don't believe in drones or kill lists or corporate profits over people. Am I still a Dem?
Awesome post broadcaster75201!
-p
limpyhobbler
(8,244 posts)Maineman
(854 posts)How to Clean Up Government
Neutralize corporate, foreign, and other big money.
1. Require structured campaigns. Campaigns would consist of
- a specified minimum number of broadcasted debates among all reasonably viable candidates
- equal numbers of interviews by professional media personnel
- biographical information or resume provided by the candidate and checked for accuracy by the media, no random reports disguised as news will be permitted.
2. If any primary media entity (TV, radio, newspaper, magazine) accepts an ad for one candidate, the ad may not be run until that media entity has ad buys for equal time from all reasonably viable opponents. All ads will be charged at equal rates.
3. Media entities that do not follow the rules will have their license suspended for a minimum of one year. This applies to all relevant prinicpals not just the name of the media entity.
4. Control of Internet communications would not be feasible, and should not be attempted.
Jakes Progress
(11,122 posts)that is completely obvious by now.
ProSense
(116,464 posts)Obviously.
Jakes Progress
(11,122 posts)pro wall street
pro corporate
pro privatization of schools
pro privacy invasion
I see you standing guard over the myth. We all do. You pounce right in whenever you see a negative Obama post. Heckova job PS.
But your unsupported defense just ignores the reality. The establishment Democratic party is about in line with - or somewhat right - of the republican party under reagan. Just like the "democrats" that supported reagan, they are socially moderate and aggressively right on business and economics.
Sorry you drew the bad job of trying to defend this stuff. It must be hard.
ProSense
(116,464 posts)Jakes Progress
(11,122 posts)Just close your eyes and defend. Fuck the facts.
You really ought to get paid for this. It has to really play hob with your karma.
woo me with science
(32,139 posts)One sure way to cut through the bullshit: ALWAYS go back to see what policies the person is defending.
Which person in the argument is denying, defending, diverting from, or excusing the endless parade of corporate assaults? Which person is endlessly rationalizing the police/surveillance state, education privatization, the free trade assaults, austerity budgets and refusal to prosecute corrupt banks, bargaining with Social Security and Medicare, and repeated appointments of Monsanto ghouls?
The propaganda is brazen, and Orwellian. They will call you "right wing" because you oppose a right-wing assault. Always look at what they are defending. Always go back to the policies.
It really is that simple.
Jakes Progress
(11,122 posts)have very low expectations of most DU readers. They use these obvious tactics because they don't believe that their behavior will be recognized. They feel secure because of their disdain for the intelligence of DU participants.
There are some who fall for it, but if you follow the threads, more and more are on to them.
Agony
(2,605 posts)"the president filled key posts with Monsanto people, in federal agencies that wield tremendous force in food issues"
the plutonomy is humming along nicely! I'm excited!
truedelphi
(32,324 posts)IthinkThereforeIAM
(3,075 posts)... and your enemies closer?
SidDithers
(44,228 posts)the original source is:
Meet Monsanto's number one lobbyist: Barack Obama
http://www.naturalnews.com/037310_barack_obama_monsanto_lobbyist.html
More great articles from Jon Rappaport at naturalnews (I'm not giving any more links, I don't believe that DU should direct any more traffic to Naturalnews than necessary):
"Why they had to stop Ron Paul"
"Don't let your child see a psychiatrist. Ever"
"Sandy Hook, Dark Knight Rises, Aurora, Skull & Bones"
And make sure you get a copy of his book AIDS Inc, where the premise is:
"The so-called AIDS virus, HIV, has never been proven to cause any human disease."
And this is who you're using to bash Obama on a Democratic website?
Sid
Heather MC
(8,084 posts)doesn't mean I am bashing him.
My real problem is with Monsanto and they way our Government and elected officials protect Monsanto. And this is been happening long before President Obama. And long after unfortunately. But this is the change we NEED
getting our elected official to work FOR us again. And not corporations not just Monsanto but all corporations.
SidDithers
(44,228 posts)You're just using the views of a right-wing libertarian, AIDS-denialist, Obama-hating author to raise an important issue.
Any port in a storm, eh?
Sid
Heather MC
(8,084 posts)When you made me aware of it, i added that to my original posting.
Also despite this article or it's original source. Our President does seem to enjoy looking in the Corporate cesspool when choosing high level Appointees.
I don't like Monsanto, i don't like what they are doing to our food supply. I don't like that our Government is allowing them to do it. I don't like that they are able to buy lawmakers that help them write rules that protect them from angry consumers who will one day discover that something Monsanto did to the food caused them, or a loved one to get sick.
Anyway at the end of the day we are two anonymous people debating an issue we have no ability or power to change, so in the end guess it's all pointless anyway.
Happy Fertility Godess day. err Happy Easter
Logical
(22,457 posts)SidDithers
(44,228 posts)Sid
kurtzapril4
(1,353 posts)But facts are facts. No matter the source.
SidDithers
(44,228 posts)I don't like AIDS deniers. I don't like anti-vax nutbars. I don't like Ron and Rand Paul supporters.
But, by the looks of this thread, lots of alleged progressives do.
Sid
woo me with science
(32,139 posts)Right on cue:
There is one sure way to cut through the bullshit.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=2594900
SidDithers
(44,228 posts)Really?
Sid
woo me with science
(32,139 posts)It's important to shift the discussion to anything BUT the actual right-wing political behavior being defended here: Obama's Monsanto appointments.
Thank you, Sid, for that perfect illustration of the transparency of the game.
SidDithers
(44,228 posts)typical.
"Progressives" cheering a right-wing libertarian is becoming much more common at DU. Strange, that.
Sid
woo me with science
(32,139 posts)ALWAYS go back to the policies. ALWAYS.
Like this:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=post&forum=1002&pid=2595032
SidDithers
(44,228 posts)Hey, I hear Alex Jones hates Obama and Monsanto too. Go dig up some of his posts. I'm sure they'll be a big hit.
Sid
WHEN CRABS ROAR
(3,813 posts)corporations have got a stranglehold on this country what are we going to do about it?
SidDithers
(44,228 posts)Thanks!
Sid
woo me with science
(32,139 posts)sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)This is new development regarding Democrats supporting evil, Right Wing Corporations like Monsanto. Democrats traditionally worked to stop Monsanto from taking over the World'S Food Supply. So it's extraordinary to see this sudden love for Monsanto by any Democrat.
Amazing, isn't it? We have a lot of work to do to take back our party from Corporate employees. But at least the cat is out of the bag. We were in the dark for a long time about what was going on here. Now we know, it's time to organize and work to rid this party of Corporate funded members of Congress.
rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)SidDithers
(44,228 posts)is a right-wing asshat.
Sid
rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)SidDithers
(44,228 posts)is an appropriate source to use to attack Obama at DU.
Any port in a storm, eh?
Sid
rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)try to stymie such.
ps: I have never heard of Jon Rappoport.
SidDithers
(44,228 posts)posted in the OP.
http://www.naturalnews.com/037310_barack_obama_monsanto_lobbyist.html
But hey. He hates Obama and Monsanto. So he's OK with 130+ DUers.
Shameful.
Sid
ProSense
(116,464 posts)"My real problem is with Monsanto and they way our Government and elected officials protect Monsanto. And this is been happening long before President Obama. And long after unfortunately. But this is the change we NEED
getting our elected official to work FOR us again. And not corporations not just Monsanto but all corporations. '
The OP is a six-month-old screed from a RW site. Some of the appointments were made years ago. I mean, do you really believe that Democrats oppose Kagan's appointment to the SCOTUS based on the OP point? How long has everyone known that Vilsack is the head of the USDA and that Rajiv Shah is at USAID?
It's as if this old article was posted to justify the nonsensical attacks associated with the President signing the spending bill, and they are nonsensical when the facts are clear:
The Monsanto Protection Act, and why you were duped
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022590655
Before you jump on Obama over the Monsanto amendment, take a minute and read this
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022580015
I'm thrilled that the President didn't veto the spending bill (updated)
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022582817
davidthegnome
(2,983 posts)and certainly not just Monsanto. The corporations and their lobbyists have been the real people in charge for many, many years. Obama isn't really so different from previous Presidents in this regard - he has no magic wand he can wave, he can't cut the corporate influence or corporate wealth out of politics. He did oppose Citizens United though, which gave the corporate types a great deal more power.
The corporate power, the plutocracy, groups like Monsanto who fail to understand or even pretend to understand the meaning of ethics... it's going to take a hell of a lot more than one President to throw these shmucks out. We have to do it ourselves. The rant of the above article points plenty of fingers and places plenty of blame... but the reality is that it's on us. The American voters. We need to start voting for candidates who are strongly anti-corporate, we need to find a way to promote and even enforce campaign finance reform. We have to cure the corruption ourselves, Obama not only won't do it - he can't. Do you know what it costs to enter the primaries? How much did Mitt Romney spend? How much did the super pacs spend in the last election? It's sick, but it's the reality. Monsanto's power and influence continues to grow because we allow it to. Because we don't smack down the supreme court when they pass legislation in favor of corporations over human beings.
I suspect that it will require things to get a whole hell of a lot worse before the majority of us care enough to get up and do something.
I hate Monsanto as much as anyone else, but this shit isn't Obama's fault. It's ours.
truedelphi
(32,324 posts)It may be logical to excuse the President for this or that, or the other thing, especially if it involves Congress.
But his appointments are his damn appointments. Unless you have a photo of the nasty Republicans twisting his arm, then I don't see how you can say that basically he has no ability to do anything else.
Every time anyone here says anything even slightly negative about the President if an election is forthcoming, we are told, Hey Please Shut Up! The Presidency is such a very important powerful position, and we cannot lose it to the Republicans. Then when the Democrat is back in office, we are told, Oh actually the poor lil President, he has no power, he has to be exactly like everyone who came before.
So which is it? Logically you have to choose one side or the other. You cannot ave it both ways.
treestar
(82,383 posts)working for those evul corporations! Except they get experience in the fields working there.
Maybe the FDA should be run by DU. We have the know it alls here. Who needs degrees and experience?
SidDithers
(44,228 posts)Could you imagine? With all the anti-vax, naturalnews loving nutbars we've got posting here, if the FDA was run by DU?
Sid
Smilo
(1,944 posts)the world and some believe it is better to be with them, than against.
Monsanto owns patents on the genes of nearly 90% of America's soy and corn products, and when these seeds eventually blow onto neighboring smaller farmers, Monsanto sues them for a violation of their intellectual property "rights." They have even sued farmers for saving Monsanto's patented soybean seeds.
Monsanto uses its government-granted monopoly to intimidate and violate the true property rights of its neighbors, which exposes intellectual property (IP) for the misguided policy that it is.
Human beings have inherent rights in their bodies and in their homesteaded property (the manipulation of matter) that can never be violated. These rights come not from God or governments, but from our reason, and as social beings who depend on each other for survival, enforcement of these rights is essential for cooperation. As the great Ayn Rand put it:
The right to life is the source of all rightsand the right to property is their only implementation. Without property rights, no other rights are possible. Since man has to sustain his life by his own effort, the man who has no right to the product of his effort has no means to sustain his life.
IP law, however, creates artificial scarcity out of a non-scare entity (ideas) by giving individuals a government-backed monopoly on its use and distribution for an arbitrary amount of time. This protection violates the rights of other individuals by putting restrictions on how individuals, like the farmers against Monsanto, use their property.
There is also virtually no evidence suggesting that intellectual property law encourages inventions, creation, and boosts the arts. In fact, when examining the record of anarchic or near-anarchic market societies and institutions (like medieval Iceland and common/merchant law), property rights were better respected, peaceful commerce expanded, and technological innovation flourished; and all of this without the government club.
Monsanto is an all too common feature of the US economy: a statist creature that benefits from patents, licensing, and farm subsidies to strangle its less politically-favored competitors. It also doesn't hurt having one of their former attorneys, Justice Clarence Thomas, upholding plant patents in the highest government court in the land.
http://www.examiner.com/article/corporate-food-giant-monsanto-uses-patents-to-bully-small-farmers-and-strangle-competition
The American Academy of Environmental Medicine (AAEM) reported that Several studies indicate serious health risks associated with GM food, including infertility, immune problems, accelerated aging, faulty insulin regulation, and changes in major organs and the gastrointestinal system. The AAEM asked physicians to advise patients to avoid GM foods.
L0oniX
(31,493 posts)Pick your side and demonize the other side. Truth over party is the moral high ground.
gateley
(62,683 posts)pediatricmedic
(397 posts)Sorry, couldn't resist.
Either all those people are really good, qualified people or Obama is obeying his corporate masters.
Jakes Progress
(11,122 posts)that always attack anyone who doesn't think Obama is the bestest, most perfect person alive, many of us who campaigned and spent and voted for him are similarly disappointed in the rightward leanings. You will catch flack from the blind faithful, but no amount of bullshit name calling or obfuscation will change the policies that keep benefitting big business and banking over the people. Only people calling it for what it is and demanding change will get it.
Good Post.
ProSense
(116,464 posts)"K&R Despite the gang of four (or five)...You will catch flack from the blind faithful, but no amount of bullshit name calling or obfuscation"
...is lost. Given that the OP is a six-month-old screed from a RW site and some of the appointments were made years ago, what is this OP supposed prove?
Democrats oppose Kagan's appointment to the SCOTUS based on the OP point? How long has everyone known that Vilsack is the head of the USDA and that Rajiv Shah is at USAID?
I suppose pretending the information in the OP is surprising absolves some people of the vote they cast last November. If you didn't want to vote a President who appoints nothing but "Monsanto shills," you had an opportunity to do so last November. If you voted for him, then don't pretend it's anyone else's fault or that you're shocked no one gives a shit about this RW drivel. Don't pretend it's because you were ignorant of his appointments. Own your vote. Don't pretend your vote for the President is different from someone else's vote. If you think a vote or support for the President is a problem, then you are part of it.
Jakes Progress
(11,122 posts)I see you have correctly identified the parts of my post that needed to be emphasized. Thanks for the bold type reproduction.
As for the boiler drivel that follows. How does that address the question of why Obama continually turns to big business, big banking, and corporate education to find his advice?
Yours is the RW drivel. Any progressive that ignores this stuff for the sake of personality adoration is being derelict. So your patented wordy obfuscation leads no where and says nothing. That is unless you think people who oppose corporate influence in the white house should vote republican. Is that what you mean? If not. Then you aren't dealing in irony, but in circum-logic. Do you even care what you say?
ProSense
(116,464 posts)"Yours is the RW drivel. Any progressive that ignores this stuff for the sake of personality adoration is being derelict. So your patented wordy obfuscation leads no where and says nothing. That is unless you think people who oppose corporate influence in the white house should vote republican. Is that what you mean? If not. Then you aren't dealing in irony, but in circum-logic. Do you even care what you say? "
...voted for the President knowing those appointments were in place. That's your problem. Nothing wrong with calling nonsense what it is, nonsense. Being illogical doesn't make anyone more progressive.
The Monsanto Protection Act, and why you were duped
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022590655
Before you jump on Obama over the Monsanto amendment, take a minute and read this
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022580015
I'm thrilled that the President didn't veto the spending bill (updated)
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022582817
Jakes Progress
(11,122 posts)am logical. That is why you don't agree with me. You are not.
You espouse a moderately liberal stance but have no problem defending right wing behavior.
That is illogical. Spock would be ashamed of you.
I also understand how politics work. I understand that Obama's chief cause for victory is that the republicans keep nominating the stupidest, most loathsome candidates they can think of. So he feels free to bow to the big money that keeps him able to show that he is at least not as bad as his opponent.
Let's try this. The post was about his dismally signing of the monsanto kiss bill. Do you think this is a good bill? Do you favor granting immunity from any responsibility to all companies that produce GMO products? Did you vote for Obama hoping he would appoint even more corporate shills?
I'll go first. It is a bad bit of legislation. I don't favor GMO Corporate immunity. I voted for him hoping that once elected he would grow a pair and begin defending people over corporations.
Now you.
LiberalEsto
(22,845 posts)grahamhgreen
(15,741 posts)forever diligent in pushing him and his corporate cronies and think tank trolls that hit these boards.
ProSense
(116,464 posts)Name calling?
grahamhgreen
(15,741 posts)99th_Monkey
(19,326 posts)Cha
(296,867 posts)"Obama Ends Dont Ask, Dont Tell Policy"
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/07/23/us/23military.html
"Obama Endorses Same-Sex Marriage Initiatives In 3 States" http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/10/26/obama-same-sex-marriage_n_2020733.html
.
"Obama Says Same-Sex Marriage Should Be Legal" http://www.nytimes.com/2012/05/10/us/politics/obama-says-same-sex-marriage-should-be-legal.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0
HHS finalizes rule guaranteeing 100 percent funding for new Medicaid beneficiaries http://www.democraticunderground.com/11028481
President Barack Obama talks with Katerina Rodgaard of Moms Demand Action for Gun Sense in America, in the Blue Room of the White House, before making a statement on gun safety, March 28, 2013. Vice President Joe Biden hugs another event participant in the background. (Official White House Photo by Pete Souza)
http://theobamadiary.com/2013/03/28/this-and-that-59/#comments
99th_Monkey
(19,326 posts)except for government transparency, not closing Gitmo, ramping up 100% saturation surveillance of US citizens, including illegal wire-tapping, oh, and don't forget Bradley Manning, or handing over the FDA to Monsanto, or the 100s of thousands of people being unjustly criminalized over marijuana, or the butt-load of Wall St. crooks and Bush Crime Family war criminals he railed against on the campaign trail but now are still walking the streets free as a bird, and we aren't done yet... as the list wouldn't be complete without mentioning Obama's NDAA shredding our bill of rights and constitution, or the "kill lists" that include US citizens, maybe on US soil, et. al.
... so do you consider these just a few minor mis-steps or loose ends to tidy up "for his legacy" before his 2nd term ends?
bvar22
(39,909 posts)*Promise to renegotiate NAFTA
*Promised to "make EFCA the Law of the Land"
*to "Raise the Cap" and NOT cut benefits
*and THIS one, particularly pertinent to THIS thread.
What ever happened to THAT guy?
That guy would have made a GREAT President.
You will know them by their WORKS,
not by their rhetoric, promises, or excuses.
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99th_Monkey
(19,326 posts)I was JUST NOW in the process of posting this OP
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022604426
bvar22
(39,909 posts)The simple explanation:
Great minds think alike!
woo me with science
(32,139 posts)the corporate agenda of the one percent.
99th_Monkey
(19,326 posts)I was going to refer you to another post of mine, here
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=2601809
but as it turns out, you probably already know all that.
just1voice
(1,362 posts)Seems people are more interested in 3rd-grade level cartoons than being poisoned by the food supply in the U.S.. I'm more interested in posts like yours wherein people are made aware of the corruption in business and government and how that is directly affecting the food we eat.
And to answer your question, the Obama administration is a corporate front that pretends to be interested in democratic issues but then acts to destroy the very people they say they represent. It's why prosecuting torturers, putting bankers on trial and single payer health care are all "off the table".
roody
(10,849 posts)Progressive dog
(6,899 posts)and the President loves evil.
Or maybe because very few people with any executive experience have not worked for some evil corporation.
Now I know many people are fans of organic methods, Many feel that GMO foods will kill us all, but without the plant breeding of the last century, the insecticides and fertilizers, the earth would not be able to support it's present population. The GMO crops do increase yields, or at least the farmers believe that they are worth the extra cost.
Some people hate Monsanto because they continue to make money from their plant patents and do not allow farmers to grow their own seed with the GMO inheritance.
But even if you hate Monsanto and dislike Pres. Obama, many of these people have at most a peripheral link to Monsanto.
I'll give him the benefit of the doubt until there is some substance to an article that claims guilt by association twice removed.
wtmusic
(39,166 posts)emsimon33
(3,128 posts)I asked about this and he said that Obama had to pick his battles. I replied that so far Obama seemed to have a gift for picking the wrong side in most battles. Si8nce this guy actually gets face time with Obama, I asked him to tell Obama that I now regretted working so hard to get Obama elected and that his "Grand Bargains" were grand give aways to the wacko right and sell outs of his base.
Bet he doesn't rely my message to Obama.
Cha
(296,867 posts)Obamacare?
SidDithers
(44,228 posts)About Alex Jones' appearance on Piers Morgan in January (Remember that? http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022151785 )
Piers Morgan (CNN) thought he might pump up his horrendous ratings and avoid having to go back to England. So he invited Alex Jones to come east and appear on his show.
They would discuss gun control and the petition to have Morgan deported. It would be good television. An interesting conversation. Perhaps things would get contentious.
But Morgan's producers and bookers had made a fatal error of judgment.
To say Alex was loaded for bear is a vast understatement.
He crashed the television party in a way it's never happened before.
The medical cartel, one of a handful of evolving super-cartels that strive for more power every day, is rife with so much fraud it's astounding. In the psychiatric arena, for example, an open secret has been bleeding out into public consciousness for the past ten years. I should know. I'm one of the people who has been exposing the secret:
THERE ARE NO DEFINITIVE PHYSICAL TESTS FOR ANY SO-CALLED MENTAL DISORDER.
And along with that:
ALL SO-CALLED MENTAL DISORDERS ARE ARBITRARILY INVENTED, NAMED, LABELED, DESCRIBED, AND CATEGORIZED by a committee of psychiatrists, from menus of human behaviors.
WHY RAND PAUL ENDORSED ROMNEY
THE ILLUSION OF WORKING WITHIN THE SYSTEM
WHOS BUYING THE FAIRY TALE
The Paul family and the Romney family are friendly, so it isnt much of a stretch to imagine Romney telling Rand he agrees with Rand on many points, but that it will take time to introduce real change we can believe in to the current American political system.
Let me start with this controversial statement: The worst thing parents can do is obtain a diagnosis of autism for their vaccine-damaged child.
The primary fact to keep in mind is: the government must deny any link between vaccines and autism, because to admit the connection would force it to pay out gigantic sums of money to parents, under its Vaccine Injury Compensation Program (VICP).
And this fucking lunatic is getting 100+ recs at DU.
Progressives, my ass.
Sid
G_j
(40,366 posts)and didn't need this guy to tell me about them.
What I have not yet seen, and would be interested in, is someone offering any kind of defense of these appointments.
farmbo
(3,121 posts)Here's the actual Director of USDA's National Institute for Food & Agriculture (NIFA):
http://www.nifa.usda.gov/newsroom/bio.html
There's absolutely no history of Dr. Sonny Ramaswamy having prior employment with Monsanto.
The author of this article doesn't let the facts get in the way of a good Anti-Obama rant.
(Somebody tell me again why a bogus, inaccurate article from a RW blogger is pulling down hundreds of RECs on DU?)
kurtzapril4
(1,353 posts)You'll get, instead "The article is 6 months old." Or "It's from a nutbar site." Nevermind that those particular factoids might be 100% accurate. Anything to prevent themselves, and others from having to take a tough look at the intent of this administration. They can't offer any kind of defense of these appointments because they're indefensible. Instead, actual progressives who object to these type of corporate shill appointments and question the motives of OBama and his self-admitted moderate Republican policies are called, bizarrely, RW or Libertarian. Left is right, up is down, war is peace, etc.
truedelphi
(32,324 posts)Presidency.
I mean, part of the quid pro quo that was Clinton's personal economic recovery system is that he got 100,000 bucks per speech delivered in front of a Corporate podium. To achieve this, Clinton allowed Mike Taylor to possess a lot of sway in terms of Monsanto's impact on agriculture. Mike Taylor is the Monsanto clone who came forward during the Clinton Admin and stated the Doctrine of Substantial Equivalency, which stated that Gm seeds, crops and foods were nutritionally similar to conventional seeds, crops and foods, and that the Gm foodstuffs posed NO RISK to humans.
How many decades of research went into studies that Taylor relied on? Well, since Taylor relied on NO STUDIES, it is safe to say this doctrine became Scientific Doctrine merely because Taylor said so. the world has not seen such a mis-appropriation of a bully pulpit on Science's behalf since way back in the days when the Church declared the sun as a celestial body that rotated around the earth.
Can a person blame Obama for having this cuddly relationship with Monsanto? I don't think so: I mean look at the following Easter greeting from Monsanto:
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=580002428684948&set=a.566016720083519.1073741828.566004240084767&type=1&theater
truedelphi
(32,324 posts)Wouldn't work!
Maybe too many other people hitting it (At least I am hoping that is the explanation.)
woo me with science
(32,139 posts)This is an important thread.
SidDithers
(44,228 posts)Sid
woo me with science
(32,139 posts)rarely elicit this level of defensiveness.
ProSense
(116,464 posts)Yup, Obama's could get re-elected and piss off Jon Rappaport, the RW hack who wrote the original drivel.
villager
(26,001 posts)...wrong?
truedelphi
(32,324 posts)Right now all that the middle class has to rely on is the change under the couch cushions. (Considering that some of us still have a roof over our heads and our couch.)
Logical
(22,457 posts)jazzimov
(1,456 posts)First of all - I am in favor of labeling, whether it's from the Surgeon General or not. People deserve to know what they're eating. Many people (like myself) are suspicious of GMO foods and which to avoid them. I do not like extra pus in my milk and avoid rBST dairy, for instance.
Then there is this quote:
Apparently the Original Source of this information comes from a Right-Wing Nut Job
This, in itself, makes the writing suspect - especially in terms of it's goals. And, like any RW rant I have read, it is full of factual errors.
It refers to Roger N, Beachy and claims he was "director of the Monsanto Danforth Center". The Danforth Center which Beachy founded was a non-profit. Although Monsanto was part of the founding alliance, it also included the University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign, the Missouri Botanical Garden, the University of Missouri in Columbia, Missouri, Purdue University, and Washington University in St. Louis.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roger_N._Beachy
It also refers to Michael Taylor, who began his career as a staff attorney for the FDA. He did go back and forth between Monsanto abd the FDA, but he has quite a bit of experience working for the FDA.
Taylor has had a long and distinguished career in public service. He began at the FDA in 1976 as a litigating attorney. He served as the FDAs Deputy Commissioner for Policy from 1991 to 1994, overseeing FDA's policy development and rulemaking, including the implementation of the Nutrition Labeling and Education Act and issuance of new seafood safety rules.
From 1994 to 1996, he served at the U.S. Department of Agriculture as Administrator of the Food Safety and Inspection Service (FSIS) and Acting Under Secretary for Food Safety. During that time, he spearheaded public health-oriented reform of the FSIS. Since 2000, Taylor has worked in academic and research settings on the challenges facing the nations food safety system and ways to address them.
Taylors recent research agenda has focused on policy, resource, and institutional issues that affect the success of public health agencies in carrying out their prevention-related missions. He served as chair of the steering committee of the Food Safety Research Consortium, collaboration among six universities and a nonprofit think tank to improve food safety decision making and priority setting.
http://www.fda.gov/NewsEvents/Newsroom/PressAnnouncements/2009/ucm170842.htm
I am reminded of Obama's 2008 campaign promise not to appoint any former lobbyists. The only problem was that once he was elected the only people who were qualified had worked for lobbying firms at one time or another.
I am not at all happy about these people having previous ties with firms such as Monsanto, but their ties are not as egregious as, for instance, Cheney's ties to Halliburton. Although I not not always agree with Obama, I am glad that he is appointing people who are qualified for their positions.
I do not like Monsanto at all, but much of this Monsanto "poutrage" that I have seen is unjustified and obviously a ploy by anti-Obamites to discredit him and the Dems in general.
I do not like a lot of what I see, but we need to put the blame where it belongs.
Cha
(296,867 posts)to the discussion. So preferable to the pitchforks.
truedelphi
(32,324 posts)Last edited Mon Apr 1, 2013, 03:54 PM - Edit history (1)
A man named Don Huber. WHo is Huber? He was a well respected Monsanto scientist who finally reached retirement age, and with his retirement pensions ecured, he has been able to investigate the Gm seeds, foods and crop situation.
Among other things he has tried to let us consumers know is that
One) Veterinarians in MN have found that cows that are fed Gm grains often are not able to reproduce! This pretty much could mean the end of cows.
But ti has larger implications - after all, if cows have been seriously harmed by this stuff, which only became pervasive in terms of their diet in the last eight years or so, what are the repercussins for human beings? Any and everything a person eats or drink is that has High Fructose Corn Syrup in it is GM - there are only a few manufacturers of HFCS, adn all of them use Gm growing media for the stuff.
So in another eight years, expect to see a serious decline in reproduction. Warren Porter PhD of Univ Madison WI has been saying our pesticide use was going to impair our reproductive ability as a species, and now that reproductive ability is under attack from our foods as well. Most American Corn and Rice is now Gm, even if it is labelled organic - if grown in the USA, it is Gm contaminated.
Two) The amount of contamination from fungal and bacterial growths on account of the heavy duty use of RoundUp on the Gm crops is causing explosive growth in items like vomitoxin, and fusarium. This means that farmers are not getting paid as much for their grains. Contaminated grain doesn't get the same price.
Three) Many scientists in other nations no longer refer to American "peer reviewed" studies in terms of issues regarding the safety of Gm or other items and procedures.
Why is this happening? That our scientists and their recommendations are now ignored? Our scientific research is no longer conducted to meet International Protocols demanded of researchers. instead Our scientists are expected to deliver the verdict that Big Industry wants, be it regarding vaccines, Gm issues, pesticides, oil pipeline approval etc.
blkmusclmachine
(16,149 posts)CANCER! CANCER! CANCER!
IMO
Skittles
(153,113 posts)SidDithers
(44,228 posts)for this guy.
Unbelievable.
Sid
Logical
(22,457 posts)SidDithers
(44,228 posts)might want to trade in that Darwin fish.
Sid
Crowman1979
(3,844 posts)But I'm losing hope.
markpkessinger
(8,392 posts)dflprincess
(28,072 posts)supercats
(429 posts)I did not know about all these Monsanto hires but I have noticed his wall street ties. I also have felt from the beginning that Obama (I voted for him twice) leads as if he were a moderate republican, and that does not sit well with me either. I wanted a progressive democrat, but we got a "sensible republican". I hope Elizabeth Warren runs in 2016, because she seems like the real deal, finally!
ConcernedCanuk
(13,509 posts).
.
.
They have all been puppets of Big Pharma and the Military Industrial complex.
Obama is no different.
Re Canada?
I think our last Prime Minister with any real balls was Chretien.
so were not much better off leader-wise . .
(sigh)
flvegan
(64,406 posts)Liberty Belle
(9,533 posts)David Hayes. Interior has been handing over our public lands to be clearcut, blasted, excavated and polluted for big energy projects ever since. Absolutely sickening; so much for Obama's campaign pledge not to apopint lobbyists to government positions.
woo me with science
(32,139 posts)ReRe
(10,597 posts)... but it seems destined to continue to happen, more and more worms....
I have been an ardent supporter of PO, but as time marches on, facts trickle out that trouble me. And rather than being thankful for the truth that is being revealed, we (DU) become more and more divided.
Thank you for your OP, regardless of the vitriolic controversy it seems to have caused.
DemocracyNow.org calls....
woo me with science
(32,139 posts)You see the predictable attempts at diversion by the reliable staff of corporate-political defenders, but that's all.
I see overwhelming agreement and acknowledgement by DU of the problems described in the OP. DUers have put this piece at the very top of the Greatest Page.
DU recognizes that we have a gravely serious problem of corporate takeover and corruption of our representative process by corporate money, in the Democratic Party and throughout our government.
ReRe
(10,597 posts)I should have just stopped at "Thanks for your OP." Thanks..
Logical
(22,457 posts)indepat
(20,899 posts)woo me with science
(32,139 posts)that, for him, "the job" is the agenda of the one percent rather than the people.
indepat
(20,899 posts)garbanzo.
DiverDave
(4,886 posts)he isnt one of us, he's one of THEM.
Now go ahead, alert on me, but you all know its true.
dont say the truth around here, you get someones panties in a bunch