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Playinghardball

(11,665 posts)
Sun Mar 31, 2013, 04:36 PM Mar 2013

Unfuckingbelievable...



A dog named Pay de Limon (Lemon Pay) runs, fitted with two front prosthetic legs at Milagros Caninos rescue shelter in Mexico City, on August 29, 2012. Members of a drug gang in the Mexican state of Zacatecas chopped off Limon’s paws to practice cutting fingers off kidnapped people, according to Milagros Caninos founder Patricia Ruiz. Fresnillo residents found Limon in a dumpster bleeding and legless.

After administering first aid procedures, they managed to take him to Milagros Caninos, an association that rehabilitates dogs that have suffered extreme abuse. The prosthetic limbs were made at OrthoPets in Denver, Colorado, after the shelter was able to raise over $6,000.
(Reuters/Tomas Bravo)

see more animals in the news:
http://www.theatlantic.com/infocus/2013/03/animals-in-the-news/100474/
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Unfuckingbelievable... (Original Post) Playinghardball Mar 2013 OP
Poor sweet dog. How could anyone do something like this? How could anyone chop LiberalLoner Mar 2013 #1
i could easily chop someone's fingers off. I could never harm a dog pasto76 Mar 2013 #12
Ouch! lmao!!! nt darkangel218 Mar 2013 #22
Whoa I ain't messing with you! LiberalLoner Mar 2013 #23
You're disgusting. AAO Mar 2013 #28
Ooohh, A Tough Guy! You Know Something, I Think I Could Kill Someone Under the Right Circumstances Skraxx Apr 2013 #43
Same here. Myrina Apr 2013 #45
I feel the same way BlancheSplanchnik Apr 2013 #49
I'd say that probably 90% of the societal problems associated with drug use brett_jv Apr 2013 #38
I so want to live in a world in which public policy is based on such sound reasoning. gtar100 Apr 2013 #39
Obviously, I couldn't agree more ... brett_jv Apr 2013 #54
wow. perfect thread title OKNancy Mar 2013 #2
What an incredible dog and dudoes to his rescuers and healers. And may those evil fuckers who maimed MotherPetrie Mar 2013 #3
Many humans are such scum. n/t RKP5637 Mar 2013 #4
Sadly, i agree. darkangel218 Mar 2013 #20
Poor little thing.. Bless the hearts of the people Cha Mar 2013 #5
Beautiful doggie BeyondGeography Mar 2013 #6
Oh, look at that baby... Raine1967 Mar 2013 #7
I would love to get hold of the basturds that did that to him........ lastlib Mar 2013 #8
what you said...... dixiegrrrrl Mar 2013 #11
ditto secondwind Mar 2013 #15
+1000 n/t ProfessionalLeftist Mar 2013 #19
On one hand, humans were cruel enough to cut off a dog's front legs for kidnapping practice, ZombieHorde Mar 2013 #9
It makes my head hurt. It always seems like the good people are always cleaning up loudsue Mar 2013 #29
Agreed sikofit3 Mar 2013 #33
This made me wonder if there is any effort for an international standard... OneGrassRoot Mar 2013 #10
Unfortunately, Brigid Mar 2013 #27
I know... OneGrassRoot Mar 2013 #31
What a heartwarming tale! Plucketeer Mar 2013 #13
The translation is actually "lemon pie".. they just spelled "pie" phonetically.. :-D secondwind Mar 2013 #14
Thanks for sharing...... Swede Atlanta Mar 2013 #16
+1000 smirkymonkey Apr 2013 #55
It's amazing the difference between members of the human race. obxhead Mar 2013 #17
What a sweet dog. :) shenmue Mar 2013 #18
I want to pet him, and kiss him, and hold him while he falls asleep x darkangel218 Mar 2013 #21
+1 OverBurn Mar 2013 #30
Precious creature. I read about this a while ago and it just made me so sad, but happy Flaxbee Mar 2013 #24
run baby run! paleotn Mar 2013 #25
OMG!!!! Who would do that to a dog???? Initech Mar 2013 #26
k&r... spanone Mar 2013 #32
So thankful this Sweet dog received this invaluable health care.... midnight Mar 2013 #34
Thank goodness that baby is ok! MoonRiver Mar 2013 #35
awww beautiful happy, lucky pooch. mountain grammy Mar 2013 #36
Prettyfuckingcool! zappaman Mar 2013 #37
What a shame that people could be so cruel to a loving dog AndyA Apr 2013 #40
Now that IS unfuckingbelievable! ReRe Apr 2013 #41
Kick! One amazing pooch! nt raouldukelives Apr 2013 #42
My dog has a tumor on his front foot EC Apr 2013 #44
All the best to you and your precious doggie. n/t veness Apr 2013 #47
Thanks EC Apr 2013 #48
I've known a couple of dogs with 3 legs… they all were amazingly okay with it. Also a few that neede KittyWampus Apr 2013 #53
Good gawd. That is why there is hell. lonestarnot Apr 2013 #46
This pisses me off more than I can say... Gin Apr 2013 #50
Hope and love for Limon Pay walkerbait41 Apr 2013 #51
I wonder what 100 hits of liquid Owsley would do to a finger cutting puppy mangler... Zorra Apr 2013 #52
I just lost my 12 year old golden retriever about a week ago. Phlem Apr 2013 #56

LiberalLoner

(9,761 posts)
1. Poor sweet dog. How could anyone do something like this? How could anyone chop
Sun Mar 31, 2013, 04:42 PM
Mar 2013

Off fingers of those they kidnap, too? Drug gangs are like a horrible cancer. Drug use ( meth and heroin, not pot) is a cancer too.

Skraxx

(2,967 posts)
43. Ooohh, A Tough Guy! You Know Something, I Think I Could Kill Someone Under the Right Circumstances
Mon Apr 1, 2013, 09:48 AM
Apr 2013

But I wouldn't feel great about it nor would I relish the opportunity and be so glib about it. But to actually think and brag that you're capable of cutting off someone's finger, IOW, torturing them, is pretty, ummm, sick.

brett_jv

(1,245 posts)
38. I'd say that probably 90% of the societal problems associated with drug use
Mon Apr 1, 2013, 03:12 AM
Apr 2013

Are caused by their illegality.

Meth makes a decent case in point. There's plenty of safer 'prescription' alternatives to Meth, such as Dexedrine, but because they're illegal, people resort to horrifically poisonous 'bathtub' versions of stimulants like methamphetamine from Mexico. I'd certainly not claim that stimulants are 'harmless', (far from it, really) but the Rx versions of this type drug are many, many times safer than the nasty, god-knows-WHAT-is-really-in-it 'crystal' that people can buy on the street, and just as pleasant in terms of the high.

Heroin, however, provides a much better example. Opioids are a class of drug that, properly administered (i.e. with clean needle, or just orally) are virtually harmless to the body, aside from the addiction component.

The main reason that addicts lives are torn asunder (along with that of their loved ones) is because a person can't just go down to the corner drug store and pay a dollar or two for an entire days supply, which is all that it would cost if it were legal.

Instead, they become part of a seedy underworld where the profits and prices are astronomical, the supply is constantly threatened, and dope-sickness is always right around the corner. To an opioid addict in a country with drug prohibition, panic, desperation, and financial ruin comprise one's perpetual state of existence. Overdoses due to uncertain purity levels are a daily occurrence. Violence is perpetrated constantly, both by the 'dealers' protecting their territories, and the addicts trying to come up with the $$$ to pay these dealers ... and for WHAT?

If this class of drug were to be made legal and affordable ... yeah, there'd be more addicts ... but overall, the cost to society of this particular scourge (esp. when you count the costs of the 'drug wars', plus the prison costs, to the taxpayer) would be brought down DRAMATICALLY. We could use the money currently invested on cops and prisons to help people who want the help, and to subsidize the habits of people who don't ... and it would still cost WAY, WAY less than what we pay as a society presently, trying to maintain this prohibition.

gtar100

(4,192 posts)
39. I so want to live in a world in which public policy is based on such sound reasoning.
Mon Apr 1, 2013, 04:15 AM
Apr 2013

But it's not this one today. How can we possibly convince people whose first and only reaction to drugs is fear? What you say makes perfect sense yet feels so unattainable with the level of greed involved. Hell, we even have a whole Federal law enforcement agency dedicated to drug laws - the DEA. We are truly twisted in our priorities and what we believe is protecting us is actually killing us.

But since change happens one mind at a time, at least count me as one who supports decriminalization of drugs. Because the problem that drugs present is not criminal in nature. It's about mental and emotional health.

brett_jv

(1,245 posts)
54. Obviously, I couldn't agree more ...
Mon Apr 1, 2013, 06:00 PM
Apr 2013

I think it's interesting how many well-intentioned folks say that they believe that pot should be legal, but then you ask the same folks about 'hard' drugs like Heroin (really not inherently different from dozens of medications legal w/an Rx) they shudder in horror and say "Oh, my Gosh, NO, of COURSE NOT!".

I personally am of the opinion that, in the overall scheme of things, it's actually MORE important that highly addictive drugs like opioids are legalized. I suspect that 95% of the *actual* crime (violence, robbery, etc) related to any particular drug is perpetrated precisely because of the illegality, NOT the actual effect of the drug. Fact is, addicts 'need their stuff' in order to just feel something approaching 'normal', otherwise, they are in a huge world of pain and suffering, and there's billions of $$$ at stake for the criminals that presently supply desperate addicts with what they need to 'get well'.

If people could just legally buy their dope at a cost commensurate with it's manufacture, we'd wipe out a HUGE criminal underworld, and put an end to a considerable amount of pain, suffering, and senseless death. In fact, opioid addicts kill themselves all the time in despair ... but the main reason for suicidal despair for addicts is because of the merry-go-round that such people have to live on. Their lives consist of "get money to get dope to get well enough to get more money to get more dope etc etc etc". Eventually you have no more money, no job (because 'getting your stuff' occupies so much of one's time), supply dries up, and you end up dope-sick, which is just about the most horrible a human being can ever feel short of being hit by a bus or the like.

However, if we as an enlightened society simply allowed these people to pick up their daily supply for $2 at the drug store, a GREAT many of them would be able to "rejoin society", hold down jobs, and NOT have to live a horrifically stressful and depressing existence that would make just about anyone suicidal eventually.

Well, maybe not crack addicts because the drug itself is pretty debilitating in it's effect, but your average opioid addict (statistically the vast majority of opioid addicts are pain-pill addicts) goes through their life without most people around them even knowing they take them or have a 'problem'.

Now ... a certain recognition of this reality is currently in place, via the mechanism of the distribution of methadone and buprenorphine ... but IMHO, this idea needs to be expanded to include the actual 'drug of choice' of the people who aren't yet ready to move to drugs that don't get them high at all, but just keep their withdrawals at bay.

The cost to society of waging this war against people having the freedom to get high if they want to, at a price consistent with what their drug of choice costs to make ... is far, far greater in terms of treasure AND human suffering ... than the opposite approach of considering the whole situation a 'mental health' problem.

So many people fall into the mindset of thinking that 'drugs are bad' because 'an addict might rob me to get their fix' without ever considering the actual root CAUSE of that problem. Most drugs people use to get high on are cheap as all hell. It's the ILLEGALITY of the drugs that makes (most) drug addicts dangerous. There's a few drugs that actually have a tendency to make people violent, to be sure ... bath salts, bathtub meth, and pcp (oh, and alcohol) are among them. But I have to wonder just how many people would be doing these nasty ass drugs if pharmaceutical-grade dexedrine, morphine/heroin, cocaine, lsd, etc, were available cheaply at the corner drug store? My guess is ... not many, really.

 

MotherPetrie

(3,145 posts)
3. What an incredible dog and dudoes to his rescuers and healers. And may those evil fuckers who maimed
Sun Mar 31, 2013, 04:44 PM
Mar 2013

him suffer the same fate.

Raine1967

(11,589 posts)
7. Oh, look at that baby...
Sun Mar 31, 2013, 04:55 PM
Mar 2013

I can only imagine how broken he was in spirit as well as physically, and now here he is, running and smiling.

Lemon Pay!

lastlib

(23,118 posts)
8. I would love to get hold of the basturds that did that to him........
Sun Mar 31, 2013, 04:57 PM
Mar 2013

... they REALLY deserve the same kind of torture.

(although I think I would start in a slightly different part of their anatomy............)

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ZombieHorde

(29,047 posts)
9. On one hand, humans were cruel enough to cut off a dog's front legs for kidnapping practice,
Sun Mar 31, 2013, 04:57 PM
Mar 2013

and on the other hand, humans were compassionate enough to save the dog and use resources to give the dog the best life he could have in his situation.

We are a diverse species.

loudsue

(14,087 posts)
29. It makes my head hurt. It always seems like the good people are always cleaning up
Sun Mar 31, 2013, 07:02 PM
Mar 2013

after the bad people.

sikofit3

(145 posts)
33. Agreed
Sun Mar 31, 2013, 08:03 PM
Mar 2013

That is exactly what I thought as well but the cruelty is a diversity that we can all do with out.....

OneGrassRoot

(22,920 posts)
10. This made me wonder if there is any effort for an international standard...
Sun Mar 31, 2013, 05:00 PM
Mar 2013

a UN Declaration for Animal Rights as there are for Human Rights.

This is the only site I found working toward that:

http://e-activist.com/ea-action/action?ea.client.id=24&ea.campaign.id=17936



Back a Universal Declaration on Animal Welfare

Animal suffering is an urgent worldwide problem. Whether it’s the millions of animals forgotten after natural disasters or the 1 billion stray cats and dogs at risk of being needlessly culled, animals need our help. As well as the individual actions we can take, our governments have a crucial role to play in creating lasting change for animals.

This is why WSPA is calling for a Universal Declaration on Animal Welfare (UDAW) to be backed by the United Nations.

A declaration will create a baseline for animal care and treatment that every nation in the world can work towards... It will make animals a global priority, to be included as we seek solutions for the big issues we face, like poverty and climate change... It will make animals matter.

More than 2 million individuals and 40 governments have joined us in demanding a declaration. Join us.

Tell the world that animals matter: back a Universal Declaration on Animal Welfare.

OneGrassRoot

(22,920 posts)
31. I know...
Sun Mar 31, 2013, 07:39 PM
Mar 2013

but some of the cultural ways we're inflicting extraordinary, unnecessary pain and suffering on animals is what I was thinking about. Criminals are criminals, but if we can raise awareness about the rights of animals in general, maybe the criminal activity will get more attention and decrease.

 

Plucketeer

(12,882 posts)
13. What a heartwarming tale!
Sun Mar 31, 2013, 05:27 PM
Mar 2013

Of course - not heartwarming that this pooch lost his legs for the crazy reason stated. But because of the care administered and the immediacy with which it was. Now - lessee.......... how long is it that our veterans are having to wait for attention? That shouldn't happen to a dog!

 

Swede Atlanta

(3,596 posts)
16. Thanks for sharing......
Sun Mar 31, 2013, 05:43 PM
Mar 2013

This is one case where if they ever found the cretins that did this I would have no problem with capital punishment without trial and without regard to whether they suffer or not. I cannot imagine hurting a poor defenseless animal.

They are joy given to us by evolution or by God but they make our lives so much richer.

 

obxhead

(8,434 posts)
17. It's amazing the difference between members of the human race.
Sun Mar 31, 2013, 05:44 PM
Mar 2013

One can do such a horrific act and another can come to create such an amazing feat.

Maybe one day we can figure out a real way to eliminate the former from our species.

 

darkangel218

(13,985 posts)
21. I want to pet him, and kiss him, and hold him while he falls asleep x
Sun Mar 31, 2013, 06:02 PM
Mar 2013

good doggie, lemon pie.!! we wuvs you!!

Xxxxxxx <3

Flaxbee

(13,661 posts)
24. Precious creature. I read about this a while ago and it just made me so sad, but happy
Sun Mar 31, 2013, 06:14 PM
Mar 2013

Limon was saved.

I just have no words. And wouldn't trust myself if I ever caught someone doing something like that to any living creature. Poachers included.

paleotn

(17,870 posts)
25. run baby run!
Sun Mar 31, 2013, 06:16 PM
Mar 2013

What a sweetie! When I think I've seen the limit of human cruelty, along comes a story like this.

AndyA

(16,993 posts)
40. What a shame that people could be so cruel to a loving dog
Mon Apr 1, 2013, 08:01 AM
Apr 2013

Horrible story with a better ending. Hope he has a long and very happy life after this. He deserves it.

ReRe

(10,597 posts)
41. Now that IS unfuckingbelievable!
Mon Apr 1, 2013, 08:36 AM
Apr 2013

You have to admire the spirit of that dog. Little Lemon Pay loves life and nothing is going to keep him down! Thanks to all the people who contributed to the fund, which in turn made him ambulatory once again so he could run like the wind! The tongue gives away his glee.

EC

(12,287 posts)
44. My dog has a tumor on his front foot
Mon Apr 1, 2013, 10:17 AM
Apr 2013

and we were going over the options...I wonder if this would be affordable for 1 leg if my dog needs the leg amputated. I'm hoping just the soft tissue is all that is affected.

EC

(12,287 posts)
48. Thanks
Mon Apr 1, 2013, 11:36 AM
Apr 2013

I cry a lot about it. It is just so cruel. He's a big dog and it limits his prognosis. The line that keeps going through my head is "They shoot horses, don't they?" I'm am so scared they'll tell me it's not reasonable to amputate because of his age. He's a 11 year old st. bernard mix.

 

KittyWampus

(55,894 posts)
53. I've known a couple of dogs with 3 legs… they all were amazingly okay with it. Also a few that neede
Mon Apr 1, 2013, 04:59 PM
Apr 2013

needed the wheels on their hind quarters to walk.

Gin

(7,212 posts)
50. This pisses me off more than I can say...
Mon Apr 1, 2013, 01:38 PM
Apr 2013

If I was a judge and they came before me....an eye for an eye would be my sentence....immediately start cutting a finger a day.... Bastards.

walkerbait41

(302 posts)
51. Hope and love for Limon Pay
Mon Apr 1, 2013, 03:57 PM
Apr 2013

When I hear that some people can do this I lose hope
When I see that people can come together and help then I get my hope back

Zorra

(27,670 posts)
52. I wonder what 100 hits of liquid Owsley would do to a finger cutting puppy mangler...
Mon Apr 1, 2013, 04:55 PM
Apr 2013

Whatever it would do would certainly be an improvement.

Phlem

(6,323 posts)
56. I just lost my 12 year old golden retriever about a week ago.
Mon Apr 1, 2013, 11:24 PM
Apr 2013

In her latter years she was a tripod but always a puppy at heart.

I also have PTSD from prolonged child abuse.

knowing people did this on purpose makes my soul cry.



-p

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