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1776: Abigail Adams writes to her husband, John Adams: "If particular care and attention is not paid to the ladies, we are determined to foment a rebellion, and will not hold ourselves bound by any laws in which we have no voice or representation."
Starry Messenger
(32,342 posts)niyad
(113,257 posts)Tuesday Afternoon
(56,912 posts)MadrasT
(7,237 posts)alterfurz
(2,474 posts)Brigid
(17,621 posts)Good thing they aren't around today; all we would have is e-mails.
UnrepentantLiberal
(11,700 posts)And funny.
niyad
(113,257 posts)UnrepentantLiberal
(11,700 posts)I thought she was saying their husbands weren't paying them enough attention. Seriousness (not being represented) mixed with some humor.
niyad
(113,257 posts)(reallllly? you thought she was complaining about being IGNORED? perhaps you ought to read up on our abigail a bit --or watch the hbo series "john adams"
letter of abigail adams to joh adams, 31 mar 1776:
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Tho we felicitate ourselves, we sympathize with those who are trembling least the Lot of Boston should be theirs. But they cannot be in similar circumstances unless pusilanimity and cowardise should take possession of them. They have time and warning given them to see the Evil and shun it.-I long to hear that you have declared an independancy-and by the way in the new Code of Laws which I suppose it will be necessary for you to make I desire you would Remember the Ladies, and be more generous and favourable to them than your ancestors. Do not put such unlimited power into the hands of the Husbands. Remember all Men would be tyrants if they could. If perticuliar care and attention is not paid to the Laidies we are determined to foment a Rebelion, and will not hold ourselves bound by any Laws in which we have no voice, or Representation.
That your Sex are Naturally Tyrannical is a Truth so thoroughly established as to admit of no dispute, but such of you as wish to be happy willingly give up the harsh title of Master for the more tender and endearing one of Friend. Why then, not put it out of the power of the vicious and the Lawless to use us with cruelty and indignity with impunity. Men of Sense in all Ages abhor those customs which treat us only as the vassals of your Sex. Regard us then as Beings placed by providence under your protection and in immitation of the Supreem Being make use of that power only for our happiness.
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http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/amex/adams/filmmore/ps_ladies.html
UnrepentantLiberal
(11,700 posts)Is there a figure in American history that you don't have an encyclopedic knowledge of?
niyad
(113,257 posts)well-known, not exactly a secret.
UnrepentantLiberal
(11,700 posts)So I got that wrong too. I'd guess that most people you'd meet in a coffee shop wouldn't be familiar with that quote. Unless it happened to be me. I'll never forget it.
niyad
(113,257 posts)shops you frequent, but people at the ones to which I give my custom are pretty smart and well-read. you are always welcome to join us.
UnrepentantLiberal
(11,700 posts)I'd be terrified of making a humiliating fopaux.
niyad
(113,257 posts)of conversation cover all manner of topics, from the sublime to the ridiculous.
UnrepentantLiberal
(11,700 posts)I'm sure I would enjoy them. I never get tired of talking about history.
Volaris
(10,270 posts)Next time there's a thread up advocating rape apology, I'm going to cross-post that second paragraph.
niyad
(113,257 posts)Volaris
(10,270 posts)that the MEN of the Colonies used to justify starting a war with The Crown, and both of them knew it. Abigail had a wicked-smart sense of humor, and used it more often than not to tell Her Man when she thought he and his co-horts were engaged in intellectual dishonesty. It's one of the things John loved about her.
She was America's first "Modern" woman.
UnrepentantLiberal
(11,700 posts)Volaris
(10,270 posts)niyad
(113,257 posts)UnrepentantLiberal
(11,700 posts)Maybe you should start a thread about Buckminster Fuller and beat people senseless with that.
niyad
(113,257 posts)aggrieved, if that is what makes you happy.
WillyT
(72,631 posts)snooper2
(30,151 posts)Those would be some memoirs to read...
CrispyQ
(36,457 posts)Yes, we're further ahead than most women on the planet, but is that our standard? Really?
I'm sick of hearing, "American women have it so much better than other women." So we don't have any right to ask for better until all women, everywhere, have caught up? Does that sound like a logical strategy for any group trying to progress?
For all our progress, let me remind you of Steubenville, one of the most heinous rape crimes in our supposed civilized society. A group of young people, including girls, witnessing but not speaking out. Key members of the school & community involved in the cover up, for the sake of the football team. ~retch
~to the OP, 'you' is in the generic sense, not personal. Abigail would most certainly have taken the repubs to task last summer.
niyad
(113,257 posts)and, I do know it was the generic "you", not to worry.
I think abigail would have started the rebellion she threatened.
niyad
(113,257 posts)this country was founded on so much more, wasn't it? the fact that we have it slightly better than others does not negate the fact that this country is not living up to its promised when it comes to women."
WCGreen
(45,558 posts)back in Honors English my senior year...
Lysistrata (/laɪˈsɪstrətə/ or /ˌlɪsəˈstrɑːtə/; Attic Greek: Λυσιστράτη, "Army-disbander" is one of the few surviving plays written by Aristophanes. Originally performed in classical Athens in 411 BC, it is a comic account of one woman's extraordinary mission to end The Peloponnesian War. Lysistrata persuades the women of Greece to withhold sexual privileges from their husbands and lovers as a means of forcing the men to negotiate peace a strategy, however, that inflames the battle between the sexes. The play is notable for being an early exposé of sexual relations in a male-dominated society. The dramatic structure represents a shift away from the conventions of Old Comedy, a trend typical of the author's career.[2] It was produced in the same year as Thesmophoriazusae, another play with a focus on gender-based issues, just two years after Athens' catastrophic defeat in the Sicilian Expedition
niyad
(113,257 posts)NYC_SKP
(68,644 posts)GodlessBiker
(6,314 posts)WinkyDink
(51,311 posts)niyad
(113,257 posts)WinkyDink
(51,311 posts)niyad
(113,257 posts)high school. thank goodness I was, and am, a reader.
LeftInTX
(25,241 posts)It's one of those things that is baffling. I told my husband about the date and he is kinda shocked. (He went to all boys' schools, so maybe that's why he didn't know)
When we were born in the 1950s women had been voting for merely 35 years.
Thanks for the quote.
niyad
(113,257 posts)that I have been alive for 2/3 of the time women have had the vote in this country.