If Komen reverses their stance, anti-choicers will boycott;

[apples and oranges]

if they don't, then pro-choicers will boycott.

Komen really fucked things up here and now both sides are polarized. Even if they were to reverse their stance on Planned Parenthood, there is no way that they will ever have the amount of donations they once had, which allowed them to give about 700k per year to PP.

[rustydog]

1. "Pro_Lifers" will protest the lifesaving work of the Susan G. Komen Foundation

When will someone of modest import tell these groups to simply go to Hell.
Who died and appointed these hateful "humans" our keeper?

[The Genealogist]

3. Most of the anti-choicers will say Jesus, to answer your question.

[Fawke Em]

30. Jesus mentioned the poor 407 times.

He mentioned abortion zero times.

[Aerows]

33. Amen

I don't understand why such evil people don't realize that fact. He also mentioned homosexuality exactly no times, but cared for a prostitute. Using religion to advance an agenda that can only be called evil must be a full time job for some. I care about human beings 24/7/365 and that's what the Bible I READ told me to do.

I'm guessing some read a different book than I did.

[southernyankeebelle]

2. The lady that in the head of NOW said that they did politized this issue. She said within 5 yrs

there well may not be a Komen Foundation because such of a big backlash.

[Raine]

4. whether they reverse or not

they've shown their true selves as to what side they're on ... they will never recover and they shouldn't.

[apples and oranges]

5. Agreed. If 700k people send at least one dollar to PP every year

then, that would replace the money Komen was giving.

[nadinbrzezinski]

21. There s one way they could recover

But the window is short.

Every member of the board and the woman who wrote the policy need to leave, period. No golden parachutes, no exit compensation, no exit interview.

They have one more news cycle for this to have a prayer of working. Otherwise I agree with the head of NOW, this s lethal.

[Aerows]

34. It is lethal

And sad that such a fine organization had to fall into the sewer because of some right-wing extremist. They hired her, though, so it's all on them. You know nothing good is going to come of an extremist being in charge of anything.

[Curmudgeoness]

6. They might as well stick to the path they have started down.

I, for one, will not be changing my mind about support for Komen, even if they do decide to reverse this stupid decision. I do not think I am alone. They might as well keep the Pro-Life crowd so that they have someone to support them.

[all american girl]

28. I have decided that

Sadly, I have to agree with you. I decided today that I would never buy a pink ribbon thingy again, even if they reverse their decision. This was all political and nothing more. If it was based on an "investigation," then why don't they have a solution set up to deal with all the women who will not be served by PP. I haven't seen anything about this. I saw Ms Brinker on with Anderea Mitchell, and I thought she said they were looking into that. Wouldn't a responsible organization already have that figured out. Putting ideology before women is despicable.

[zipplewrath]

7. It's pretty much over

They entered the political fray and there's really no way out. And to some extent, they've been exposed for what they are which is mostly a self promoting organization. I think it's going to be hard to "unring that bell".

[LiberalFighter]

14. Aren't certain non-profits required to be neutral in politics? Komen is probably one of those.

[Bozita]

8. RWers poison everything they touch.

Unfit for leadership of any kind.

[Zoeisright]

23. Yes they do.

If only people were smart enough to vote the assholes out of office.

[ShadowLiberal]

9. Agreed, Komen tried to appease a small fringe minority, but pissed off the larger group

What's really ironic and sad about this is that Komen could have just ignored the right wingers attacking them for the their planned parenthood funding, and most people would have continued to not care about it.

How many people here honestly knew that Komen gave any money to Planned Parenthood? I certainly didn't, and I get a majority of right wingers didn't either, or if they did know didn't care enough to not donate to Komen.

That's mistake #1 Komen made, creating such a big story about Planned Parenthood funding that most people didn't know or care about.

The second problem Komen made was making so many people care about the Planned Parenthood funding by cutting it off in such a blatantly political way that it was viewed as an attack on women's healthcare and abortion rights.

It's not a good public image to be seen as taking a side on a controversial issue like abortion when your charity/business has NOTHING to do with abortion, better to be seen as having nothing to do with abortion then as having an opinion on it.

It's MUCH worse to be seen as attacking women's healthcare however, that will anger people on both sides of the abortion debate.

[Blue_Tires]

31. I'm starting to wonder if the Komen brass knew EXACTLY

what they were doing from the start, trying to burn down the house from the inside...

[Aerows]

35. Burn down the house from inside

Best way to put it, because that is exactly what they did.

[maryellen99]

10. I think we are seeing a preview of the election

Now that Gay Marriage is not a successful wedge issue for the wing nuts,they will go back to using abortion as the big wedge issue.

[MatthewStLouis]

37. True. They can't get a majority honestly, so they divide and conquer with wedges.

[gopiscrap]

11. they've boxed them into a corner

[jeff47]

12. Don't forget the corporate angle

A lot of companies slapped pink on their products as a donation to a "safe" charity. It was a donation that did not upset anyone. Komen made a lot of money from that.

Now that Komen has decided to become political, they are no longer safe for corporate donations.

[Ruby the Liberal]

15. I was thinking the same earlier when I looked at their partners list

How many companies are now going to distance themselves because of Komen jumping into the political fray, and how quickly. That pink ribbon is toxic right now - doubtful too many want it labeled with their brand.

Its like someone pulled a pin on the grenade and tossed it into the board room of every major company in the US.

Will be interesting to see what the Komen board does about current management as well given that $500k/annually has bought them a CEO who doesn't know the definition of damage control.

[Chan790]

22. Have you seen their pay-chart for top staff?

That $500k is a drop in the bucket. Between about 20 people with alphabet-soup titles (CEO, CFO, COO, CMO, VP, etc.) they have about $8M in salary. That's for the 20 senior staff members. As an NPO, you can pull their financial disclosures (IRS Form 990) from Charity Navigator or Guidestar. The amount of money they have going to overhead as opposed to the cause or research or treatment is ridiculous.

[Ruby the Liberal]

36. Yes - their financials are on their site.

It is astounding.

And yet, only 24% goes to research - which was the big, jaw dropping tell to me.

I know they have "reversed" this (ie, the board told Brinker to walk it back and she issued some weasel words to kick the can down the road until the next grant period), but 24% while top execs are ALL pulling in 6 figures?

Enlightening to say the least.

My mind is made up about them.

[Iggo]

27. Me, too.

I keep thinking of all those NFL players decked out in pink trim for an entire month. I wonder if they'll do it again next year.

[frazzled]

13. I'll boycott even if they do reverse

Sorry, but they've totally lost my respect. Nothing they can do at this point would make me return to supporting them financially (which I have done in the past, for friends doing the walk).

[markpkessinger]

16. How, exactly, will they boycott the Komen foundation?

By withholding donations? Is the percentage of donations that come from anti-choice folks larger than the amount they receive from pro-choicers, along with those who may oppose abortion but aren't inclined to make an issue over Planned Parenthood? I find that hard to believe.

[Ruby the Liberal]

18. You are thinking individuals.

Think corporate donations, sponsorships, partnerships.

They are toxic right now - no longer neutral and 'safe'.

[Ruby the Liberal]

17. They can't reverse it. What are they going to do - say investigations

don't matter?

No - they painted themselves into a corner by trying to covertly defund an organization that is involved in unrelated activities that they disagree with.

[countryjake]

19. Have you seen this?

http://www.komenoregon.org/Newsroom/PlannedParenthoodFundingResponse.shtml

Komen Oregon OPPOSES Headquarters' Decision

A Message from the Oregon & SW Washington Affiliate Board of Directors - UPDATED - As of February 2nd, 2012
Our local Affiliate has received many inquiries regarding Susan G. Komen for the Cure’s national decision to change its granting guidelines and performance criteria. Specifically, the effect these changes will have on Planned Parenthood and other Komen grantees. Komen Oregon is opposed to the new national Komen community grant eligibility policy. Not only will this decision affect Planned Parenthood, but also any other organization under investigation. The implications will be far reaching, having an adverse effect on numerous grantees. Ultimately it will compromise our ability to provide life-saving access to breast cancer screening and treatment for the most vulnerable women.

•We, the Affiliate Board of Directors, have officially submitted a letter to Komen Headquarters asking that they reconsider this policy.


My WA Sen. Patty Murray was on our news this evening talking about this split, saying she is in support of both Oregon's and Washington's appeal to their national offices.


(edited to add)


http://www.thestranger.com/seattle/the-komen-foundations-partisan-attack-on-planned-parenthood-the-women-who-are-upset-the-response-from-the-local-chapter-and-what-you-can-d/Content?oid=12241904

[Tx4obama]

26. And Seven California Komen affiliates oppose defunding Planned Parenthood

All seven California Susan G. Komen Race for the Cure Foundation affiliates have come out in opposition to the group’s new, national policies that bar them from funding Planned Parenthood. Here’s a statement they just sent to California’s congressional delegation:

SNIP

See statement here: http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/ezra-klein/post/seven-california-komen-affiliates-oppose-defunding-planned-parenthood/2012/02/02/gIQAncMJlQ_blog.html

[Ruby the Liberal]

38. LOL! And now the reverse backlash

Kicked open Pandora's box by going political. No winners here. None.

Check out these nuggets of feedback on the so-called 'reversal':

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2012/02/03/1061445/-Komen-Being-Castigated-by-Wingnuts

Happy to see their fundraising/administrative budget and expenditures exposed. Damn. Everyone in management with a 6 figure salary and 24% to research.

Put a fork in 'em.

[JI7]

20. in some ways i'm kind of Glad it happened, it has put awareness on the Komen marketing

and all that pink crap .

now people will donate to PP and other cancer research organizations where the money will actually go towards research.

[Warren DeMontague]

24. Except there are WAY more of us than there are of them.

They made the mistake anti-choicers always make; they think their megachurch is the whole fucking world and they spend all their time in a fundy Jesus echo chamber.

Meanwhile, the pro-choice majority in this country is generally complacent, unless roused by shit like this.

When we do wake up and make our presence known, the glassy-eyed godbags are always, like, "shit- Heavens! where did THEY all come from?"

[Morning Dew]

25. and Fox reports -

"A crowd of hundreds...."

[Warren DeMontague]

32. 1.2 Million people on the mall that day, and CNN spent the day reporting on the "NASCAR voter"

it was fucking appalling, is what it was. I was there.

[hobbit709]

29. Personally, I'd consider it an honor if the RWers boycotted me.