I do work in a Catholic Church

[gopiscrap]

you should hear and see their heads spin over the Komen retraction: I love it!!!!

[southernyankeebelle]

1. Not all catholics feel like that. My sister is really strong in the church and she had

breast cancer last year. I am willing to bet she won't support this group any more.

[CurtEastPoint]

2. Hardcore Catholics, maybe but the VAST majority of Catholics

ignore the BC teachings.

[gateley]

10. But abortion is separate from BC --

I agree that most Catholics don't follow the Birth Control teachings, but many of those people strongly oppose abortion.

[gopiscrap]

3. I understand that...we have two kinds of RC churches in town

the crazy psychotic anti abortion anti stem cell research the anti contraception one issue kind and then there's the liberal parish who proclaims freedom to the captive, food for the poor and stands with the homeless and oppressed. The problem is the anti's have the loudest voices and are a bunch of bullies!

[Cleita]

5. And it goes all the way to the Vatican.

Until the Church gets a liberal Pope, things won't change much. Hopefully, next time he'll live long enough to make some long lasting reforms.

[tanyev]

4. I figured that would happen when I saw today's headlines.

Piss off the left by cutting the funding; then piss off the right even more with an apology/retraction of sorts. They're screwed.

[jody]

6. "Catholic Church" & "their heads" implies you aren't Catholic. Why do you work in a hostile

environment?

[gopiscrap]

8. I was born and baptized Roman Catholic

I sang as a choirboy for the Vatican for a year....I now work with all kinds of denominations RC being one of them...I'd say about 10% of my work week is with an RC conmgregation and many of them I have great respect for...others not so much.

[jody]

9. Apparently you accept the right of others to have whatever religious beliefs they wish. Why not

just let them go their own way given that no one can prove whether a single cell zygote has or does not have a soul that (a) survives the death of physical body, (b) can retain memories from this life, and (c) experience pain and pleasure?

If they are right, then those who disagree spend eternity in hell experiencing pain and they spend eternity in heaven experiencing pleasure.

If they are wrong, then they and those who disagree with them will never know it.

[Generic Other]

11. because they and those don't limit their beliefs to they and them

They try to stick their smarmy fingers into my womb. And I bite. vagina dentata.

[jody]

12. How many abortions have "they" prevented you from having? nt

[Arugula Latte]

15. Have you not read about how many abortion clinics have been shut down

due to the activism of religious zealotss? In many states you'd have to drive 10 or more hours to get to a clinic that performs abortions. Are you okay with that?

[2ndAmForComputers]

17. He's probably not okay with that.

After all, after those 10 or more hours, those women DO reach a clinic that performs abortions.

[jody]

18. How many abortions have "they" prevented you from having? nt

[2ndAmForComputers]

22. So people shouldn't care about injustice unless it personally affects them?

[Generic Other]

23. And that is your or their business?

Fucking Inquisition.

Hell, I have an abortion a month. I aborted eggs like clockwork for years. I wore IUDs, ate pills like candy, used condoms by the handful. All the while "they" screamed at me, tried to prevent me from making my own life choices. They pushed legislation that prevented someone I know from having a dead baby removed from her womb at a military hospital. They played god, doctor and judge my whole fucking life. They blew up clinics, killed doctors, intimidated women because they believe they should control women's reproductive choices.

[jody]

26. Abortion definition does not include an egg or sperm independently, but you knew that.

[2ndAmForComputers]

27. IUDs and many contraceptive pills prevent implantation AFTER the fusion of sperm and egg.

But you knew that.

[Generic Other]

29. Well she would know this if they didn't also prevent sex ed from being taught in schools

They preached abstinence while popping out babies like gumballs. Not content with attacking my right to abortion, they went after any and all preventative measures I took in my adult life and used them to brand me a murderer, a sinner and someone they labeled a criminal. They attacked me for making responsible choices.

They shoved their bluenoses up my crotch on a daily basis with their BS claims. They repeatedly poked me with their ugly stick and then turned around and accused me of bashing them.

They are douchebags. It's not about their religion or their beliefs. It's about their pograms against women.

[2ndAmForComputers]

30. I think it's a he.

Not only because of the name.

[xfundy]

14. Pain and pleasure require a brain.

[2ndAmForComputers]

16. I can't prove there isn't a turquoise unicorn buried deep within Mount Everest.

[jody]

19. But science could prove or disprove it.

Beliefs that cannot be proved or disproved by science are still passionately accepted by some including religions and political parties.

[2ndAmForComputers]

21. "Some," used in that way, is a weasel world.

[jody]

25. Have a great day. Goodbye. nt

[Chan790]

20. That's an interesting variation on Russell's Teapot.

The conclusion is very much the same though. One shouldn't be asked to prove the existence of irrational objects, nor is tradition sufficient to assert their existence.

If I were to suggest that between the Earth and Mars there is a china teapot revolving about the sun in an elliptical orbit, nobody would be able to disprove my assertion provided I were careful to add that the teapot is too small to be revealed even by our most powerful telescopes. But if I were to go on to say that, since my assertion cannot be disproved, it is intolerable presumption on the part of human reason to doubt it, I should rightly be thought to be talking nonsense. If, however, the existence of such a teapot were affirmed in ancient books, taught as the sacred truth every Sunday, and instilled into the minds of children at school, hesitation to believe in its existence would become a mark of eccentricity and entitle the doubter to the attentions of the psychiatrist in an enlightened age or of the Inquisitor in an earlier time. It is customary to suppose that, if a belief is widespread, there must be something reasonable about it. I do not think this view can be held by anyone who has studied history.

excerpt from Is There a God? by Bertrand Russell
(commissioned-but not published-by Illustrated Magazine in 1952)
http://www.cfpf.org.uk/articles/religion/br/br_god.html

[mmonk]

7. We work at Catholic Parish Outreach.

Not much if any reaction there.

[Chan790]

13. My mom is a member of the local Archdiocese's education board of directors.

They gave her heck today for posting on Facebook that she was redirecting her yearly Komen donations to PP. We both noted though that they didn't ask her to resign...I guess her money is more important than Catholic social teaching.

[Bigmack]

24. Catholic, Shmatholic...

98% of US Catholic women have used birth control forbidden by the church. US Catholic women have a higher abortion rate than Protestant women.

The Church is so far behind their flock that they're not in the same universe.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/04/14/98-percent-catholic-women-birth-control_n_849060.html

http://www.factcheck.org/2007/12/abortions-comparing-catholic-and-protestant-women/

[Darth_Kitten]

28. more catholic bashing? ho hum.

n/t