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http://blogs.villagevoice.com/dailymusto/2013/05/dubyas_euorpe_t.phpDubya's Europe Trip Canceled After His Arrest Is Called For
By Michael Musto Thu., May 2 2013 at 9:48 AM
George W. Bush was all set to go and torture Switzerland with his views when several human rights groups spoke up, asking for him to be arrested and investigated on grounds that he propagated torture.
No, not with his mispronunciations.
They mean with his waterboarding tactics, for one thing.
Perhaps admitting to having approved that practice in his memoir was...dumb.
So was doing it in the first place.
BeyondGeography
(39,367 posts)lastlib
(23,191 posts)(that's 100-factorial, for the math-challenged....a REALLY BIG number!)
aggiesal
(8,908 posts)kept quiet until he arrived there.
Have a welcome wagon waiting at the airport.
That would have been beautiful.
Now we'll never get him.
gussmith
(280 posts)The word irony is not descriptive enough when the U.S. Secret Service is protecting a war criminal in others' view.
still_one
(92,108 posts)Arugula Latte
(50,566 posts)no matter how many showers and baths he takes.
go west young man
(4,856 posts)sin washing devices.
Berlum
(7,044 posts)Shrub has his back to the viewer, and is starkly staring in the rearview mirror of The Past as he vainly attempts to expunge the dirt.
deutsey
(20,166 posts)LondonReign2
(5,213 posts)They should have kept the plans quiet until Shrub actually got there, THEN arrest him.
Loose lips sink ships. And let a war criminal sail.
BrotherIvan
(9,126 posts)But at least somewhere there is sanity and the truth is being told. After the disgusting display in the last few weeks, it is very important that the truth is not allowed to be bought off.
zipplewrath
(16,646 posts)I suspect that it would take to long to get to the point where he was actually arrested, if you don't start before he gets there. He'd probably be gone by the time the warrant was signed. 'Twould be nice if as many countries as could would get these warrants signed now, so that there would be a long, formal, list of places he couldn't go.
Recursion
(56,582 posts)There are all sorts of motions you have to go through with several UN bodies. Look at what a fiasco the UK had with Pinochet.
dixiegrrrrl
(60,010 posts)Which, in my mind, counts as gilty behavior.
MAD Dave
(204 posts)......he felt honestly threatened by being arrested for his crimes. It's too bad that they had too show their cards prior to his arrival.
IthinkThereforeIAM
(3,076 posts)... so he couldn't contact his, "friends", in Europe to help out with Dumya. Either that or they are all like Poppy now.
dixiegrrrrl
(60,010 posts)The war criminals get very old and start drooling into their pablum, forgetting their name, and their crimes.
sheesh..I remember news stories of hunting down Nazi war criminals for decades.
pipi_k
(21,020 posts)It was a nice gesture, though.
To let him know what they think of him, I mean...
Ilsa
(61,690 posts)smirkymonkey
(63,221 posts)Brilliant idea.
calimary
(81,179 posts)That's one of the things they taught in karate class. NEVER give away your next move.
newfie11
(8,159 posts)He, Cheny, and Rumsfeld are a Hugh embarrassment to America.
hootinholler
(26,449 posts)Never Say Never, Never Give Up.
Stuart G
(38,414 posts)I was absolutely sure, positive beyond any possible small chance..that this fellow who was Afro American from Illinois could never possibly become President of the United States. Not while I was alive...as a kid, I remember......we as humans will never walk on the moon....
Also, I recall vaguely, looking at the huge computer that I saw in a magazine, taking up a whole room of space..and being sure I would never own one of those.. I now own one of those, that has more memory and power than that thing in the huge room..
It is unlikely that Bush will ever be charged in the USA..but who knows??maybe...
Tell me....is it really true you can hold one of these things..a computer... in your hand???? ....
......................... maybe some day......but.....????????
RoccoR5955
(12,471 posts)There's still an arrest warrant for him and Cheney.
premium
(3,731 posts)good for VT., although, I think they'd have a tough time getting through his Secret Service detail.
SomeGuyInEagan
(1,515 posts)(Sorry, Texas).
Still, I am surprised that either he or Cheney are still here. I had Dubai in the office pool.
rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)leave office quietly. Part of the bargain was that they dont get prosecuted and maybe even promised a pardon.
I thought it was unusual that Bush/Cheney made such a sudden change from their "we rule the world" attitudes to the "quiet as a church mouse" when they slithered out of Washington. I didnt think they would go quietly especially Cheney.
xtraxritical
(3,576 posts)rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)xtraxritical
(3,576 posts)LeftInTX
(25,201 posts)Wanting to charge him with murder for their citizens who lost their lives in the Iraq war. I hope they go through with it.
quakerboy
(13,918 posts)If one of them at some point goes to a location with a valid, active arrest warrant for bush or Cheney, what do their secret service agents do? My understanding is that bush is the last president who will receive full life long SS protection. So what do they do? Do they let him be arrested and go with him to the jail? I suspect that they are obligated to stay with him. Can you take SS protection with you into prison if you are convicted?
raccoon
(31,106 posts)life long SS protection"
I hadn't heard that.
Auntie Bush
(17,528 posts)With all the crazy, hateful, angry, racist Rethugs out there...he'll need it!
At least if Hillary wins...she'll have SS protection whenever she's with Bill.
montex
(93 posts)I would not be surprised to see the next GOP President find a way to cut Obama's Secret Service protection somehow. We can never forget the kind of people we're talking about - as the Left often does.
Auntie Bush
(17,528 posts)they'll reinstate SS protection for life again. I hope not after the damage has been done.
tammywammy
(26,582 posts)Bush would have received protection for only 10 years, but that law was reversed back in January.
http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/z?c112:H.R.6620:
quakerboy
(13,918 posts)I had read that bush was going to be the last with full life coverage, and Obama was to be the first with only 10 years coverage.
Any chance you have a link to the actual law in place currently, with its current wording, rather than just the bill altering it? Now I'm curious what the law says.
tammywammy
(26,582 posts)edited to add: The 10 year limit of Secret Service protection would have started with Bush.
quakerboy
(13,918 posts)I wonder why it only covers former presidents children up to their 16th birthday. The 18th or 21st birthday would seem to make more cultural and maybe legal sense to me.
freshwest
(53,661 posts)And Darth maintains himself at his undisclosed locations. These guys are only safe with their rich and dangerous cronies. The world will get smaller for them.
Gregorian
(23,867 posts)Stuart G
(38,414 posts)Blue Owl
(50,325 posts)Paul Alan
(5 posts)http://current.com/community/94110143_george-w-bush-cancels-europe-trip-amid-calls-for-his-arrest.htm
xxqqqzme
(14,887 posts)more since he left office than before he was installed as president? That is an interesting footnote to history.
My fantasy is he is so threatened by prosecution of his war crimes, he is a prisoner in his own home.
heaven05
(18,124 posts)Coyotl
(15,262 posts)Of course, then Obama might go to jail too!
alfredo
(60,071 posts)truebluegreen
(9,033 posts)I hope he never gets to leave the country again.
Unless it is to face trial at the Hague....
I know: na ga hapen...but for a member of the global elite (cough) its gotta burn a little.
xocet
(3,871 posts)In case he tries to travel again, his photo should be distributed to border agents of all countries, so that they do not miss apprehending him:
former9thward
(31,961 posts)The trip was to be in Feb. 2011. Bush has gone to other countries since then.
babylonsister
(171,042 posts)date of the OP.
muriel_volestrangler
(101,294 posts)It's getting to be an epidemic. I think I've seen 7 stories in the past 2 weeks on DU that come from some site other than DU reposting an old story as if it's new.
I think it's a symptom of the end of normal journalism - people running websites are just repeating what they read elsewhere, without actually reading it carefully. They cannot take the time to do the old job of journalism - they just cut and paste.
babylonsister
(171,042 posts)muriel_volestrangler
(101,294 posts)It's the people who get paid (or run their own websites and ads based on the views they get) who should be doing some basic checking.
Paper Roses
(7,473 posts)Berlum
(7,044 posts)Response to babylonsister (Original post)
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progressoid
(49,961 posts)There have been "arrest warrants" issued for a lot of people. Bush, Cheney, Kissinger, the Pope, Queen Elizabeth...
Iggo
(47,545 posts)99th_Monkey
(19,326 posts)They'd never dare arrest one of the pillars of the Bush Crime Syndicate.
They are just bluffing. Bush should go tell them to "FUCK OFF!!" to their face.
In fact, if he doesn't, that means he's "CHICKEN". Bush is such a wuss.
LanternWaste
(37,748 posts)Meaningless doesn't often result in a major change of one's travel itinerary.
Therefore, it is either "meaningless" only with additional qualifiers conspicuously absent from your premise; or, it holds in fact, some meaning.
progressoid
(49,961 posts)As there were against Bill Clinton. Certainly, I am in no way comparing the actions of Clinton or Obama to Bush. It's just that we've heard these claims before and nothing has happened. I worked for a rabid RWer during and after the Clinton years. And he couldn't wait until Bill went overseas and was arrested for his crimes too.
Of course no one is saying why Bush cancelled. It could just as likely be because the Swiss told him they couldn't protect him from flying rotting vegetables.
Bush not at risk of arrest in Europe, experts say
Posted at 6:40 PM ET, 02/ 8/2011
European law enforcement officials and other experts say the chances of George W. Bush being arrested on war crimes charges in Switzerland--or anyplace else on the continent--are almost nil.
Headlines and assertions by human rights groups that the former president risked a possible arrest warrant if he traveled to Geneva to give a speech this weekend were overblown, those with direct experience in such matters said.
But Amnesty International insisted that Anywhere in the world that he travels, President Bush could face investigation and potential prosecution for his responsibility for torture and other crimes in international law, particularly in any of the 147 countries that are party to the U.N. convention against torture."
"From a legal point of view, I believe it could be possible, said Dick Marty, a Swiss prosecutor who led Council of Europes investigation into alleged illegal CIA secret prisons. But I'm convinced that the political reality is that there are no chances for such a step."
librechik
(30,674 posts)so he should be arrested and tried, IMO.
Iggo
(47,545 posts)It's criminal.
kentuck
(111,069 posts)"Call up the Mayor, Laura...there has been a change in plans..."
emsimon33
(3,128 posts)I am surprised that he was unaware of this.
tclambert
(11,085 posts)You scared him off, dumbasses. Don't tip off the criminals before the raid.
Cali_Democrat
(30,439 posts)SleeplessinSoCal
(9,107 posts)"Update: This story turns out to be not new, despite having been presented as breaking by a gossip site. My apologies. I find it still very much relevant, though. After all, Dubya still hasn't been prosecuted for his crimes."
Dubya's Europe Trip Was Canceled After His Arrest Was Called For! UPDATE
By Michael Musto Thu., May 2 2013 at 9:48 AM
marble falls
(57,055 posts)DhhD
(4,695 posts)Skittles
(153,138 posts)Europe has enough on its plate
libdude
(136 posts)That there are those in the world that will not let this matter go. Keep this from getting forgotten, that all the effort to rehabilitate his image and his time in office will provide some measure of symbolic justice. There should always be those that speak for the victims of injustice.
AsahinaKimi
(20,776 posts)Lets Say Bush did go to Europe and was arrested. Would Right wing Americans demand we go to war with said country that is, in their mind.."Holding a US President hostage" ?? Could you imagine the people SCREAMING on Fox News?
Can you imagine the foam coming from the mouths of Anne Coulter, Rush Limbaugh and Bill O'reilly?
It might make for fun speculation what would seriously happen.
DhhD
(4,695 posts)Quixote1818
(28,925 posts)That should always be the focus in my opinion. Of course not forgetting the water boarding just putting lying us into the war as front and center.
Jasana
(490 posts)spicegal
(758 posts)for being arrested. Didn't Rumsfeld almost get arrested? What a dark chapter in our history. No wonder Bush has turned to art therapy for solace.
CanonRay
(14,093 posts)instead of actually going. I'll bet Laura is not amused.
Hubert Flottz
(37,726 posts)Obama should hand the entire gang over.
sofa king
(10,857 posts)I guess I can take some solace from the fact that W's prison walls have contracted ever so slightly.
Unfortunately, the truth is that fucking idiot had no interest whatsoever in traveling out of the country before he ran for President--which perfectly marks the level of expertise that he brought to US foreign policy and relations for the entirety of his miserable eight years.
There is one reason I can think of which will require W to leave the country from time to time, which is to check in on the overseas tax shelters where he no doubt keeps his ill-gotten money, distilled from the tears of children both foreign and domestic.