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kpete

(71,964 posts)
Thu May 2, 2013, 03:26 PM May 2013

Obama can NOT force the GOP to be reasonable. He's the President, not the Asshole Whisperer

THU MAY 02, 2013 AT 12:05 PM PDT
Obama can NOT force the GOP to be reasonable. He's the President, not the Asshole Whisperer
by
MinistryOfTruth


President Obama can not force the GOP to stop destroying their own party and along with it America's economy. He can't force them to stop clinging to bad ideas that are proven to fail.

Obama is not Ceaser Milan. He can't make the GOP stop shitting on the floor and rolling in it.
He can't make the GOP stop biting people they have always hated. The GOP is a bad dog that refuses to be taught new tricks. Pretending that the President has the power to make the GOP stop embracing the massively unpopular ideas that cost them the last Presidential election is a half-assed attempt to hold Obama accountable for Republicans bad behavior instead of holding Republicans accountable for their own bad behavior. Any journalist who insists otherwise is full of it.

He's the President of the United States. He is not the Asshole Whisperer.

..........

Saying Obama should "Show more leadership" is like saying he should be more pro-active and think outside the box, its' meaningless bullshit designed to shift the blame from the hardline psychosis of the GOP onto the President, who somehow has the power to make Republicans stop acting insane but just won't use it. And I will remind you that nearly every hack journalist that is saying Obama should "Show more leadership" are the same people who praised Bush's leadership while he was creating the problems that Congressional Republicans refuses to allow Obama to address in any way at all






the rest:
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Obama can NOT force the GOP to be reasonable. He's the President, not the Asshole Whisperer (Original Post) kpete May 2013 OP
Hearty recommend! nt babylonsister May 2013 #1
Best Political Article Title of all time! Coyotl May 2013 #93
Nobody's asking him to force them, just to act like he GIVES A SHIT. forestpath May 2013 #2
... and stop pretending they aren't assholes. n/t winter is coming May 2013 #5
… And start calling them out and loudly proclaiming it is their POLICIES that are the cause of Vincardog May 2013 #109
+1. Attack their policies, not their personalities. winter is coming May 2013 #119
Here, ProSense May 2013 #6
Absolutely perfect reply n/t sharp_stick May 2013 #23
Wha, you don't like the Prez? babylonsister May 2013 #9
Riiight. Because Acting Like He Gave a Shit About Background Checks Worked so Well dballance May 2013 #35
So you want a government run by reverse psychology? FiveGoodMen May 2013 #116
YEAP!!! Obama should smack McConnel in the mouth the next time someone filibusters.... uponit7771 May 2013 #52
"Give a shit" does not mean "smack in mouth." Don't put words in my mouth forestpath May 2013 #73
Old McConnell had a cow, E-I E-I 0, Hubert Flottz May 2013 #114
Like your song! tblue May 2013 #120
I see. Zoeisright May 2013 #63
Whereas, of course, YOU do NOT want him to act like YOU want him to. FiveGoodMen May 2013 #117
disingenious Sheepshank May 2013 #77
Ah, and THEN the GOP will cooperate. JoePhilly May 2013 #89
As much as ProSense May 2013 #3
Exactly, ProSense.. that's an excellent paragraph. Cha May 2013 #24
Asshole Whisperer would be a really really really bad job el_bryanto May 2013 #4
I love all the folks saying, "Obama should fix everything. That's what I would do!" FSogol May 2013 #7
Where are you seeing "Obama should fix everything. That's what I would do!"? La la land? L0oniX May 2013 #10
Half dozen in GD right now. That's what this OP is reacting to. FSogol May 2013 #12
"" is supposed to mean something ...it's a quote. I don't see that quoted sentence anywhere. L0oniX May 2013 #14
"..." is also used to signify spoken dialog, like in novels and screen plays. n/t FSogol May 2013 #17
Elect ME Emperor of the World and I'll do it! Heads will roll! Sorry if some are mistakes, but... freshwest May 2013 #67
Obama can command 30 minutes of air time every week and do what FDR would do. L0oniX May 2013 #8
How many of his Saturday morning addresses have you heard? MineralMan May 2013 #18
Prime time ...for cartoon kids. Great! L0oniX May 2013 #21
But you didn't answer my question. MineralMan May 2013 #22
Assume all you want ...and don't act so disappointed. L0oniX May 2013 #26
MineralMan... I think YOU might be... RevStPatrick May 2013 #31
Hmm...not that I know of. MineralMan May 2013 #32
He tries, bless him. But in truth no one can be an effective Asshole Whisperer. riqster May 2013 #40
LOL. Saturday morning addresses are pretty much the equivalent of winter is coming May 2013 #69
So, I take it that you MineralMan May 2013 #80
I have heard some of them and read transcripts for others. winter is coming May 2013 #81
but they are in his cabinet. robinlynne May 2013 #59
Sure, 30 minutes a week against 24/7 right wing bullshit in the media. JoePhilly May 2013 #91
Prime time 8pm ...yea but ok you are right ....don't even try ...why bother. L0oniX May 2013 #99
Sure, do it right in the middle of The Voice, or some other popular show ... JoePhilly May 2013 #103
I'm sure the homeless and jobless would be angry over that too. L0oniX May 2013 #104
I simply stated a fact. You are claiming that a 30 minute prime time JoePhilly May 2013 #105
It's was called the bully pulpit when FDR did it and it worked. L0oniX May 2013 #107
I seem to remember some GOP outrage over scheduling during a Peanuts Xmas special.... Hekate May 2013 #124
I hold the Repubs responsible for their shitty agenda magellan May 2013 #11
I like that! kentuck May 2013 #13
Asshole Whisperer. Rex May 2013 #15
That's hilarious! knr joeybee12 May 2013 #16
"He can't make the GOP stop biting people they have always hated." progressoid May 2013 #19
That's funny and more than a little TRUE. Cha May 2013 #20
I would like to see him show more leadership when it comes to Democrats. NCTraveler May 2013 #25
What exactly should he have done? Arkana May 2013 #28
He should have done what the Teabaggers do: threaten to primary them. JDPriestly May 2013 #38
So President Obama should be an entire activist group as well as being, y'know, Arkana May 2013 #45
"Do what the teabaggers do" is probably the single worst piece of advice I've ever seen on DU tridim May 2013 #47
I remember a YouTube 2012 video where Obama does just that... Sheepshank May 2013 #127
meh JVS May 2013 #27
No, but you do get a pass when your opponent can ACTIVELY STOP YOU FROM GOVERNING. Arkana May 2013 #29
No you don't. That's a win for your opponent and a loss for you. JVS May 2013 #36
No, that's a win for your opponent and a loss for parliamentary process. Arkana May 2013 #41
It isn't unusual for presidential administrations to have to deal with opposition. JVS May 2013 #51
Once again, the vast majority of the betrayals on this list woo me with science May 2013 #30
There you are again trying to deflect blame from Republicans. ProSense May 2013 #33
"Unreadable"? It's a list with each point on it's line. Very readable, and quite sickening, to me. Dawgs May 2013 #94
Thanks. These were all attempts to appease the extreme right in the Republican Party. JDPriestly May 2013 #37
Oh no, not THIS nonsense again. JoePhilly May 2013 #92
You have no answer here, either. woo me with science May 2013 #96
So much BS, so little time Hekate May 2013 #126
Wrong. The criticism is intended to get Obama focused on electing Democrats for Congress in 2014 JDPriestly May 2013 #34
What? ProSense May 2013 #39
I think the poster meant the criticism from the "Fuck The Prexy" contingent here on DU. riqster May 2013 #43
Yes. Of course. Thanks. JDPriestly May 2013 #84
Nor do I. riqster May 2013 #88
Oh bullshit. That's what it'd say if that's what it was intended for. nt DevonRex May 2013 #54
Drone Master Obama championed insurance MANDATES and now wants to wreck Social Security... Demo_Chris May 2013 #42
You win: ProSense May 2013 #44
Of the day? riqster May 2013 #46
LOL tridim May 2013 #48
Yup. The propaganda is getting seriously weird. woo me with science May 2013 #50
What, ProSense May 2013 #53
+ a brazillion! nt babylonsister May 2013 #60
Be honest. Look at the list. woo me with science May 2013 #64
Not only that but it's so funny to me how some "lists" are apparently more valuable than others Number23 May 2013 #82
Nowhere near as fucked up as the pro-North Korea BS and the "poor Tsarnaev" DevonRex May 2013 #55
Huh? Was that an attempted smear by association? Or are you just confused? woo me with science May 2013 #57
No, no. Just propaganda we see on DU. Regularly. nt DevonRex May 2013 #62
That's a long, ugly list of betrayals. How about addressing it? woo me with science May 2013 #65
I think you are in violation of "Loyalty Day" oops, that was yesterday. nt. eilen May 2013 #66
+1 woo me with science May 2013 #71
For people ProSense May 2013 #74
K&R for "Asshole Whisperer" alone! 11 Bravo May 2013 #49
Obama COULD HAVE let the tax cuts expire. by doing nothing. That would be good leadership. The gop robinlynne May 2013 #56
If President Obama tries to meet those ASSHOLES halfway ... Martin Eden May 2013 #58
Great first line. woo me with science May 2013 #61
Never in my 65 years on this planet watoos May 2013 #68
Thank Dog. truebluegreen May 2013 #70
No Sh*t Phlem May 2013 #75
K&R! AnnieK401 May 2013 #72
K & R! Lady Freedom Returns May 2013 #76
Thank you Ministry of Truth! Tarheel_Dem May 2013 #78
ROFL the asshole whisperer..I like that SummerSnow May 2013 #79
So the leadership of the POTUS is not to be subject to criticism? Babel_17 May 2013 #83
Yes he can. It's just not what the Dem's want. By blaming the GOP harun May 2013 #85
Nuts Savannahmann May 2013 #86
No doubt. It is entirely unfair to hold the President accountable for Republican obstruction. Laelth May 2013 #87
rec for title bigtree May 2013 #90
"Asshole Whisperer"! MarianJack May 2013 #95
I'm glad the loyalists are finally admitting this. TheKentuckian May 2013 #97
Did they teach you to write so poorly in public school, be ashamed. xtraxritical May 2013 #98
What we really need is a Dem Party Whisperer raindaddy May 2013 #100
Looks like we had better set up some Asshole Whisperer trade schools coast to coast Hubert Flottz May 2013 #112
"Asshole Whisperer" Hubert Flottz May 2013 #101
This message was self-deleted by its author darkangel218 May 2013 #102
Should he shake his finger at the GOP to demonstrate his sternness? JoePhilly May 2013 #106
Whatever, laugh. I guess its all fun and games. darkangel218 May 2013 #108
The leaps you make are becoming more and more hilarious. JoePhilly May 2013 #110
This message was self-deleted by its author darkangel218 May 2013 #111
Woodrow Wilson himself couldn't "end all wars" Hekate May 2013 #128
The GOP mocked Obama hugging SHEs parents, the con culture is beyond shame or "sterness" right now uponit7771 May 2013 #118
“The only kinds of fights worth fighting are those you are going to lose, factsarenotfair May 2013 #113
I like the long view, myself. Hekate May 2013 #129
He can, however, always stand up for what's fair and decent FiveGoodMen May 2013 #115
Besides, there's already a mighty wind blowing from those assholes Blue Owl May 2013 #121
What he could do Exen Trik May 2013 #122
Brilliant title! Hekate May 2013 #123
Speaking of assholes: chknltl May 2013 #125

Vincardog

(20,234 posts)
109. … And start calling them out and loudly proclaiming it is their POLICIES that are the cause of
Fri May 3, 2013, 11:35 AM
May 2013

Their FAKE "Crises" and repeating those mistakes is no way to cure them.

winter is coming

(11,785 posts)
119. +1. Attack their policies, not their personalities.
Fri May 3, 2013, 02:10 PM
May 2013

Although a good many of them could use a better personality, a smiling crocodile is still a crocodile.

ProSense

(116,464 posts)
6. Here,
Thu May 2, 2013, 03:35 PM
May 2013

"Nobody's asking him to force them, just to act like he GIVES A SHIT."

...this posts almost seems tailored for that comment: http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022786123

 

dballance

(5,756 posts)
35. Riiight. Because Acting Like He Gave a Shit About Background Checks Worked so Well
Thu May 2, 2013, 04:05 PM
May 2013

Please, come back into the real world. The more the President advocates for a piece of legislation the more the GOP want to kill the legislation in order to not give Obama any "victories."

On Edit: A GOP Senator admits to what I'm saying in this post.

FiveGoodMen

(20,018 posts)
116. So you want a government run by reverse psychology?
Fri May 3, 2013, 01:52 PM
May 2013

No thanks.

I want honest people who always fight for what's fair.

To hell with the chess players.

ALL of them.

uponit7771

(90,304 posts)
52. YEAP!!! Obama should smack McConnel in the mouth the next time someone filibusters....
Thu May 2, 2013, 04:34 PM
May 2013

...at least it felt good to think it no?

tia

 

forestpath

(3,102 posts)
73. "Give a shit" does not mean "smack in mouth." Don't put words in my mouth
Thu May 2, 2013, 06:00 PM
May 2013

just because you don't have an argument.

Hubert Flottz

(37,726 posts)
114. Old McConnell had a cow, E-I E-I 0,
Fri May 3, 2013, 12:59 PM
May 2013

On that Cash Cow's ass he kissed 7/24, E-I E-I 0,
And he kissed and he kissed as his "war chest" soared, E-I E-I 0,
Now he has no chin and his eyesight's poor, E-I E-I 0,
You can bet your ass, he's the Koch's whore, E-I E-I 0,
As you leave don't let your ass hit the front room door, E-I E-I 0,

He's the Koch brother's Mitch.(typo?)

If, the repubs ever take back the Senate, the VERY first thing I expect them to do, is to change it back to the days when, a 51% majority passed legislation.

tblue

(16,350 posts)
120. Like your song!
Fri May 3, 2013, 02:23 PM
May 2013

And all true, what you said. Harry Reid really must hand the reins to somebody with a backbone.

FiveGoodMen

(20,018 posts)
117. Whereas, of course, YOU do NOT want him to act like YOU want him to.
Fri May 3, 2013, 01:54 PM
May 2013

Engage in a real discussion.

(IOW YOU grow up)

 

Sheepshank

(12,504 posts)
77. disingenious
Thu May 2, 2013, 06:36 PM
May 2013

Apparently you missed Obama giving a shit when he talked about Sandy Hook Elementary.

ProSense

(116,464 posts)
3. As much as
Thu May 2, 2013, 03:33 PM
May 2013
Saying Obama should "Show more leadership" is like saying he should be more pro-active and think outside the box, its' meaningless bullshit designed to shift the blame from the hardline psychosis of the GOP onto the President, who somehow has the power to make Republicans stop acting insane but just won't use it.

...I agree with that, this is a win:

"He's the President of the United States. He is not the Asshole Whisperer."






Cha

(296,870 posts)
24. Exactly, ProSense.. that's an excellent paragraph.
Thu May 2, 2013, 03:55 PM
May 2013

explaining what's really gong on here..

"You have a drink with Mitch McConnell!"!

el_bryanto

(11,804 posts)
4. Asshole Whisperer would be a really really really bad job
Thu May 2, 2013, 03:34 PM
May 2013

But that said - one criticism of Obama is that he prematurely concedes - that if he stood a bit firmer, maybe we'd be in a better spot.

Bryant

freshwest

(53,661 posts)
67. Elect ME Emperor of the World and I'll do it! Heads will roll! Sorry if some are mistakes, but...
Thu May 2, 2013, 05:12 PM
May 2013
Isn't that what Americans really want now? C'mon, you know you wanna...



Just in case it's needed:




 

L0oniX

(31,493 posts)
8. Obama can command 30 minutes of air time every week and do what FDR would do.
Thu May 2, 2013, 03:37 PM
May 2013

They need to be shamed. They need to be exposed.

MineralMan

(146,262 posts)
18. How many of his Saturday morning addresses have you heard?
Thu May 2, 2013, 03:49 PM
May 2013

I listen to all of them. If I miss one, I go to whitehouse.gov and either listen to it or read the transcript. So, are you listening?

 

L0oniX

(31,493 posts)
26. Assume all you want ...and don't act so disappointed.
Thu May 2, 2013, 03:56 PM
May 2013

Prime time 8 pm if he really wants to be seen and heard.

MineralMan

(146,262 posts)
32. Hmm...not that I know of.
Thu May 2, 2013, 04:05 PM
May 2013

I rarely whisper in such encounters. I'm relatively intolerant of assholes, and don't like to be that close to them.

riqster

(13,986 posts)
40. He tries, bless him. But in truth no one can be an effective Asshole Whisperer.
Thu May 2, 2013, 04:09 PM
May 2013

Why, you ask?

Tres simplez, mon ami: Assholes have no ears, and thus hear nothing that is said to them.

Hmmm...this explains a lot, now I think on it...

winter is coming

(11,785 posts)
69. LOL. Saturday morning addresses are pretty much the equivalent of
Thu May 2, 2013, 05:18 PM
May 2013

walking into a closet and whispering to yourself. They don't get broad coverage unless the Republicans want to manufacture a scandal out of the latest inartful phrasing.

winter is coming

(11,785 posts)
81. I have heard some of them and read transcripts for others.
Thu May 2, 2013, 07:52 PM
May 2013

And never felt that I would have missed out on something valuable if I hadn't heard them.

JoePhilly

(27,787 posts)
103. Sure, do it right in the middle of The Voice, or some other popular show ...
Fri May 3, 2013, 11:09 AM
May 2013

people will love that.

JoePhilly

(27,787 posts)
105. I simply stated a fact. You are claiming that a 30 minute prime time
Fri May 3, 2013, 11:16 AM
May 2013

weekly statement by Obama would in some way force things to move forward.

It won't. The homeless and jobless that you are so concerned about would be in the same situation even if your proposal was undertaken.

Just a fact.

Hekate

(90,564 posts)
124. I seem to remember some GOP outrage over scheduling during a Peanuts Xmas special....
Fri May 3, 2013, 03:38 PM
May 2013

GOP outrage... President Obama... prime time tv.... sound familiar at all?

magellan

(13,257 posts)
11. I hold the Repubs responsible for their shitty agenda
Thu May 2, 2013, 03:39 PM
May 2013

...and Obama responsible for his. He's done enough on his own to move me beyond making excuses for him.

progressoid

(49,951 posts)
19. "He can't make the GOP stop biting people they have always hated."
Thu May 2, 2013, 03:51 PM
May 2013
"The GOP is a bad dog that refuses to be taught new tricks."

Then he should stop giving them treats.

 

NCTraveler

(30,481 posts)
25. I would like to see him show more leadership when it comes to Democrats.
Thu May 2, 2013, 03:55 PM
May 2013

The repubs are doing exactly what is expected from their base. That is opposing everything put forward by the Democratic Party.

It doesn't see to me as though he is the leader of the Democratic Party. Now it has gone this long, it is too late to change that. There should be no question as to who is leading the efforts and agenda of our party. In order to herd cats one needs a leader willing to do the hard work of herding.

Edit to add:
It was a good read and funny. Thanks for posting.

Arkana

(24,347 posts)
28. What exactly should he have done?
Thu May 2, 2013, 04:01 PM
May 2013

Was he supposed to threaten the Democrats who voted against background checks with bodily harm?

How are you supposed to get through to people who don't care about anything but their own stinking skin? Barack Obama can't make a leopard change its spots.

Arkana

(24,347 posts)
45. So President Obama should be an entire activist group as well as being, y'know,
Thu May 2, 2013, 04:15 PM
May 2013

the President?

Maybe if the MoveOn.orgs of the world scared the Blue Dogs as much as the Tea Party scares Republicans, we'd have more success. Alas, they don't.

tridim

(45,358 posts)
47. "Do what the teabaggers do" is probably the single worst piece of advice I've ever seen on DU
Thu May 2, 2013, 04:18 PM
May 2013

Democrats. PLEASE do NOT do what the teabaggers do, ever.

 

Sheepshank

(12,504 posts)
127. I remember a YouTube 2012 video where Obama does just that...
Fri May 3, 2013, 03:55 PM
May 2013

"Don't Boo them out, vote them out"

JVS

(61,935 posts)
27. meh
Thu May 2, 2013, 04:00 PM
May 2013

In politics it's not anyone's job to be reasonable. It's their job to exert as much control over policy as they can. You don't get a pass because your opponent refuses to help you.

Arkana

(24,347 posts)
41. No, that's a win for your opponent and a loss for parliamentary process.
Thu May 2, 2013, 04:11 PM
May 2013

Barack Obama has faced unprecedented levels of opposition--he's literally got an opposing party that exists out of spite alone now. They have no policy initiatives, no real platform. Their entire reason for existing is "we don't like whatever the black guy in the White House proposes". The gun bill went down because Republicans DIDN'T WANT TO BE SEEN HELPING THE PRESIDENT GET SOMETHING PASSED. 20% of this country holds the other 80% hostage. I ask you--how is that fair? How is that even REMOTELY workable?

How do you fight that? How do you combat that when they control one of the houses of Congress responsible for passing legislation? How do you stop them from using parliamentary tricks/filibusters/holds/the goddamn kitchen sink to stop anything meaningful from getting done?

This isn't up to him, it's up to the voters. They--we--have to stop being dumb and electing obstructionist morons to office. He has done everything in his power short of declaring himself dictator-for-life.

JVS

(61,935 posts)
51. It isn't unusual for presidential administrations to have to deal with opposition.
Thu May 2, 2013, 04:31 PM
May 2013

In fact, having the white house, house, and filibuster proof senate is quite rare. If Obama is unable ot get legislation out of cogress, then he should turn his energies toward the branch of government that he is in charge of. There is plenty of room for improvement there.

woo me with science

(32,139 posts)
30. Once again, the vast majority of the betrayals on this list
Thu May 2, 2013, 04:01 PM
May 2013
had nothing to do with Republican obstructionism. These arguments trying to shut down criticism of Democrats and blame the GOP for everything are repetitive (hence this repetitive response) and continue to ignore the fact that corporate Democrats are aggressively pursuing a corporate agenda, even where Republican obstructionism is not an issue.

Look at the list. Be honest:


http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022786386

Corporate and bank-cozy appointments, over and over again, including major appointments like:
A serial defender of corrupt bankers for the SEC; the architect of "Kill Lists" and supporter of torture, drone wars, and telecom immunity for the CIA; and a Monsanto VP who has lied and been involved in extremely disturbing claims regarding food safety for the FDA. An Attorney General who has not prosecuted a single large bank but wages war against medical marijuana users and *for* strip searches and warrantless surveillance of Americans. And let's not forget Tim Geithner.

Bailouts and settlements for corrupt banks (with personal pressure from Obama to attorneys general to approve them),
Refusal by Obama's DOJ to prosecute even huge, egregious examples of bank fraud (i.e, HSBC)
signing NDAA to allow indefinite detention,
"Kill lists" and claiming of the right to assassinate even American citizens without trial
Expansion of wars into several new countries
A renewed public advocacy for the concept of preemptive war
Drone campaigns in multiple countries with whom we are not at war
Proliferation of military drones in our skies
Federal targeting of Occupy for surveillance and militarized response to peaceful protesters
Fighting all the way to the Supreme Court for warrantless surveillance
Fighting all the way to the Supreme Court for strip searches for any arrestee
Supporting and signing Internet-censoring and privacy-violating measures like ACTA
Support for corporate groping and naked scanning of Americans seeking to travel
A new, massive spy center for warrantless access to Americans' phone calls, emails, and internet use
Support of legislation to legalize massive surveillance of Americans
Militarized police departments, through federal grants
Marijuana users and medical marijuana clinics under assault,
Skyrocketing of the budget for prisons.
Failing to veto a bipartisan vote in Congress to gut more financial regulations.
Passionate speeches and press conferences promoting austerity for Americans
Bush tax cuts extended for billionaires, them much of it made permanent
Support for the payroll tax holiday, tying SS to the general fund
Support for the vicious chained CPI cut in Social Security and benefits for the disabled
Social security, Medicare, and Medicaid offered up as bargaining chips in budget negotiations, with No mention of cutting corporate welfare or the military budget
Advocacy of multiple new free trade agreements, including The Trans-Pacific, otherwise known as "NAFTA on steroids."
Support of drilling, pipelines, and selling off portions of the Gulf of Mexico
Corporate education policy including high stakes corporate testing and closures of public schools
Entrenchment of exorbitant for-profit health insurance companies into healthcare, through mandate
Legal assault on union rights of hundreds of thousands of federal workers
New policies of targeting children and first responders in drone campaigns,
New policies of awarding medals for remote drone attacks,
Appointment of private prison executive to head the US Marshal's office
Massive escalation of federal contracts for private prisons under US Marshall's office

ProSense

(116,464 posts)
33. There you are again trying to deflect blame from Republicans.
Thu May 2, 2013, 04:05 PM
May 2013

The list you posted is bullshit.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=2786896

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=2787388

It's a long, unreadable list designed to deflect criticism of Republicans and fool people into believing it's accurate.

 

Dawgs

(14,755 posts)
94. "Unreadable"? It's a list with each point on it's line. Very readable, and quite sickening, to me.
Fri May 3, 2013, 09:13 AM
May 2013

And I love how you can only "refute" two of the things on it.

Chained CPI alone should be enough to keep you disgusted for a very long time. And that's only one thing.

JDPriestly

(57,936 posts)
37. Thanks. These were all attempts to appease the extreme right in the Republican Party.
Thu May 2, 2013, 04:06 PM
May 2013

They all failed.

There is no point in that appeasement policy.

woo me with science

(32,139 posts)
96. You have no answer here, either.
Fri May 3, 2013, 09:19 AM
May 2013

The list obviously bothers you, because you appear snarking wherever it is posted, but you have absolutely no substantive response whatsoever. Republican obstructionism did not cause all this.

These are not minor betrayals. These represent a broad and aggressive corporate agenda by a sitting Democratic President.

JDPriestly

(57,936 posts)
34. Wrong. The criticism is intended to get Obama focused on electing Democrats for Congress in 2014
Thu May 2, 2013, 04:05 PM
May 2013

and forgetting the hopelessly Republican House he has at this time.

If the Republican House cannot agree to a workable budget, let the government stop. Big business will be screaming bloody murder in about a week -- just as they did with the airport slowdown. The Republicans who remain after 2014 will be more agreeable.

ProSense

(116,464 posts)
39. What?
Thu May 2, 2013, 04:09 PM
May 2013

"Wrong. The criticism is intended to get Obama focused on electing Democrats for Congress in 2014 and forgetting the hopelessly Republican House he has at this time."

The criticism from the asshole pundit class is designed to get "Obama focused on electing Democrats for Congress in 2014"? (whatever the hell that means)

riqster

(13,986 posts)
43. I think the poster meant the criticism from the "Fuck The Prexy" contingent here on DU.
Thu May 2, 2013, 04:13 PM
May 2013

As opposed to that emanating from the sphincter wing of the punditocracy.

 

Demo_Chris

(6,234 posts)
42. Drone Master Obama championed insurance MANDATES and now wants to wreck Social Security...
Thu May 2, 2013, 04:11 PM
May 2013

But other than that and a hundred other mind boggling betrayals he's freaking awesome and it's all the GOP's fault.

ProSense

(116,464 posts)
44. You win:
Thu May 2, 2013, 04:13 PM
May 2013

"Drone Master Obama championed insurance MANDATES and now wants to wreck Social Security...But other than that and a hundred other mind boggling betrayals he's freaking awesome and it's all the GOP's fault"

...Stupidest comment of the day.

woo me with science

(32,139 posts)
50. Yup. The propaganda is getting seriously weird.
Thu May 2, 2013, 04:31 PM
May 2013

Like in Groundhog Day, we're expected to retain no memory or awareness of the relentless, horrifying pattern of betrayals unfolding before us day after day after day after day after day. Each betrayal is presented as an aberration, a "special circumstance," or perhaps gazillion-dimensional chess on our behalf, that we couldn't possibly understand.

We are merely to smile and treat each one, again and again and again, as merely an aberration. We are to drift from betrayal to betrayal in hypnotic belief that our corporate Democrats share the same heartfelt principles and policy goals we do...even though their actions repeatedly, relentlessly pursue the opposite....

War is Peace
Freedom is Slavery
Ignorance is Strength
Drone Murders are Legal, Ethical and Wise
Chained CPI is Superlative and Protects the Poor
Obama put Social Security Cuts on the table because he Opposes them.


ProSense

(116,464 posts)
53. What,
Thu May 2, 2013, 04:35 PM
May 2013

"Yup. The propaganda is getting seriously weird. Like in Groundhog Day, we're expected to retain no memory or awareness of the relentless, horrifying pattern of betrayals unfolding before us day after day after day after day after day."

...upset that people are taking timeout from the anti-Democratic "propaganda" to criticize Republicans?

Number23

(24,544 posts)
82. Not only that but it's so funny to me how some "lists" are apparently more valuable than others
Thu May 2, 2013, 08:23 PM
May 2013

You and others were criticized so heavily for your lists of achievements, but that poster and a few others spam DU EVERY DAMN DAY with their homemade list of failures.

DevonRex

(22,541 posts)
55. Nowhere near as fucked up as the pro-North Korea BS and the "poor Tsarnaev"
Thu May 2, 2013, 04:43 PM
May 2013

obscenities. Talk about propaganda.

woo me with science

(32,139 posts)
57. Huh? Was that an attempted smear by association? Or are you just confused?
Thu May 2, 2013, 04:48 PM
May 2013

Are you trying to suggest that I was involved in a "pro-North Korea" argument?

As I said, the propaganda is getting very, very weird...

woo me with science

(32,139 posts)
65. That's a long, ugly list of betrayals. How about addressing it?
Thu May 2, 2013, 04:59 PM
May 2013

All those betrayals, and the vast majority of them had nothing to do with Republican obstructionism.

Those aren't little betrayals, either. That's a gigantic, malignant corporate agenda there, advanced relentlessly and aggressively by a Democratic President.

robinlynne

(15,481 posts)
56. Obama COULD HAVE let the tax cuts expire. by doing nothing. That would be good leadership. The gop
Thu May 2, 2013, 04:48 PM
May 2013

would be left begging Obama for a scrap, not leading the country.

Martin Eden

(12,847 posts)
58. If President Obama tries to meet those ASSHOLES halfway ...
Thu May 2, 2013, 04:48 PM
May 2013

... does that put him somewhere in the colon?

It's a given he can't make Rethugs be reasonable or responsible, so why buy into their SHIT by offereing SHIT like chained CPI?

In his efforts to seem reasonable and willing to work across the aisle, he moves towards their position while they sit firm or move even further to the right. This is how the goalposts get steadily moved to the right.

I understand the difficulty of this president's position. If he sits firm and does his utmost to articulate the case for progressive values, the Rethigs will paint him as an extremist unwilling to compromise ... but I think this game of public perception can be well played without actually capitulating on (what should be) his core values.

woo me with science

(32,139 posts)
61. Great first line.
Thu May 2, 2013, 04:55 PM
May 2013

which exposes how ludicrous and bizarre the constant apologism really is.

To argue that we are moving even incrementally in a positive direction defies the reality that we all see and hear and live in every single day.

It's not capitulation. It's collusion. And the culprit is no mystery: the deluge of corporate money and influence in both parties that is rotting Washington to the core and destroying this country.

 

watoos

(7,142 posts)
68. Never in my 65 years on this planet
Thu May 2, 2013, 05:14 PM
May 2013

have I seen one Party vote in lock step on every issue. The demographics are shifting and the Republicans are fearful of extinction.

 

truebluegreen

(9,033 posts)
70. Thank Dog.
Thu May 2, 2013, 05:20 PM
May 2013

Since the President's definition of reasonable is to make a grand bargain to cut the safety nets.

Phlem

(6,323 posts)
75. No Sh*t
Thu May 2, 2013, 06:15 PM
May 2013

He can't make them behave, so why does continue to give them gifts?

"I oppose this legislation therefore I'll propose it"!?!?!?!



-p

Babel_17

(5,400 posts)
83. So the leadership of the POTUS is not to be subject to criticism?
Thu May 2, 2013, 09:58 PM
May 2013

Is the argument that the Republicans are so despicable that the subject of Presidential leadership is meaningless?

Imo there is a valid point in MinistryOfTruth's argument but the argument looks like it came with lots of emotional baggage.

harun

(11,348 posts)
85. Yes he can. It's just not what the Dem's want. By blaming the GOP
Fri May 3, 2013, 07:02 AM
May 2013

they are simply taking the heat off themselves for not doing something they already do not want to do.

 

Savannahmann

(3,891 posts)
86. Nuts
Fri May 3, 2013, 07:11 AM
May 2013

The President is the chief executive. He can tell the Justice Department to leave the decision regarding Plan B alone. He can put forward a budget that doesn't eviscerate the Seniors and poor on welfare. He can do lots of things. He hasn't done any of those things, and claiming it's because he has to work with Republicans? Nuts.

Who worked to get the man elected? It wasn't the Republicans. It was his supporters. So while he bends over to shake hands with the Rethugs who are calling for his impeachment, he's crapping on those of us who scrimped and saved and donated as much as we had to his re-election. He's shitting on us and what we care about because he's taking John McSame out to dinner to wine and dine him and try and woo him to being slightly less of an asshole.

So nuts. The President may be limited by the Rethugs in the House, but he's not nearly as limited as he is pretending to be. We thought we were electing a fighter, instead we got a limp rag.

Laelth

(32,017 posts)
87. No doubt. It is entirely unfair to hold the President accountable for Republican obstruction.
Fri May 3, 2013, 08:18 AM
May 2013

On the other hand, there are too many examples of the President making right-wing appointments, right-wing decisions, and advocating for right-wing policy for this liberal to be convinced that the President is, in the end, on the side of the people.

I desperately want to believe it, but there is not enough evidence to convince me. There is too much evidence to the contrary.

-Laelth

TheKentuckian

(25,020 posts)
97. I'm glad the loyalists are finally admitting this.
Fri May 3, 2013, 10:06 AM
May 2013

Now maybe the President will cease pretending the fuckers can be reasoned with, are reasonable, have the nation's best interest at heart, or are any way NOT FUCKING ASSHOLES THAT WANT TO BREAK OUR COUNTRY, DESTROY OUR ENVIRONMENT TO TURN A FUCKING BUCK, REGRESS OUR CULTURE, AND FUNNEL WEALTH AND RESOURCE CONTROL TO THE FEW.

Maybe now everyone can admit that all the negotiation with terrorist, games, and appeasement are all at best, worthless. On a bad day dangerous or worse.

This is a good step for some folks to accept and really internalize...THERE ARE NO ASSHOLE WHISPERERS!

Too bad such a fantasy has been a major driver of policy pursuits and the Obama branding with all the "no blue states, no red states" and "bipartisan" bologna that has dominated since the President was elected. It has been a monumental waste and puts far more strain on us than it works as effective pressure on the opposition.

There is no "bipartisanship", the opposition does not want what is best for our country, bullies cannot be compromised with, there is no fucking "chess", and no there are no asshole whisperers. Please keep this knowledge out of the memory hole because before too long someone else will be claiming to be just that and cheering loyalist will be proclaiming that such farcical nonsense is the true and "pragmatic" path to all our hopes.

raindaddy

(1,370 posts)
100. What we really need is a Dem Party Whisperer
Fri May 3, 2013, 11:00 AM
May 2013

Harry Reid's ear could use a little whispering. "Psst Harry, WTF happened to filibuster reform?"

Then there's the Justice Dept., "psst.... how are those bank investigations coming?"

Psst Barack, why would a Democratic President appoint known RW liars and Social Security haters like Allan Simpson to his Deficit Commission? Psst, Dem. party voters, why the surprise over Obama's offering up the public safety net for cuts?

Psst, attacks on whistleblowers?

Psst, drone program?

Psst, civil liberties record?

Psst, corporate hack appointments to oversight positions?

Psst, Bush tax cuts for the wealthy?

Hubert Flottz

(37,726 posts)
112. Looks like we had better set up some Asshole Whisperer trade schools coast to coast
Fri May 3, 2013, 12:26 PM
May 2013

funded by the next "stimulus package&quot 99% for Wall Street and 1% for the royal golf caddies)

"Obama care" ended up being "nobody cared," after the many watering down sessions, behind closed doors, water boarded the bill for a year. And still the GOP can't tolerate the near rag.

Pssst : Will Obama ever learn that you shouldn't take a nine iron to a chainsaw fight? Whisper in his ear, "You can't trust republicans."

Pssst : Psssst: The Republicans shouldn't judge a man by his stimulus package. Whisper in their ears, "When you are elected to a national office you promise to represent every taxpaying citizen republican or democrat, in your home district. Party lines are for party animals and the taxpayer, expects his representatives to conduct themselves like human beings, instead of little talking points quacking (ugly) ducklings in a row.

Pssssssssssssst : Into each and every life a little rain must fall. Whisper loudly unto them, And to some more than others, more of the time, "Get A Life Moran!"

Psssssssssssssssssssssst : It is better to have loved and lost, than to not have lost at all. Whisper into both their ears, "When you sElect a dolt like George W Bush twice, it going to take a very long time for the democrats to fix it, especially with every republican in Washington and several of the "Blue Dog" democrats, fighting every smart thing Obama puts forth."

Response to kpete (Original post)

JoePhilly

(27,787 posts)
106. Should he shake his finger at the GOP to demonstrate his sternness?
Fri May 3, 2013, 11:18 AM
May 2013

Maybe scowl more?

And we're involved in more than 2 wars? More than you can count?

 

darkangel218

(13,985 posts)
108. Whatever, laugh. I guess its all fun and games.
Fri May 3, 2013, 11:27 AM
May 2013

It's not that is more than I can count, but I haven't been keeping up with external affairs since I work full time and go to school full time too.

I guess not having universal helathcare is hilarious to you. Simply disgusting.

JoePhilly

(27,787 posts)
110. The leaps you make are becoming more and more hilarious.
Fri May 3, 2013, 11:35 AM
May 2013

You have no idea what I think about the ACA, none whatsoever. And yet you are comfortable telling me you are disgusted by what you don't know.

I'll help you.

Universal HC would be better than what we have now. And the ACA is better than what we had before that.

In fact, the ACA will most likely save my niece's life. Disgusting, I know.

Finally, if you don't what's going on in foreign affairs, why comment on it?

Response to JoePhilly (Reply #110)

Hekate

(90,564 posts)
128. Woodrow Wilson himself couldn't "end all wars"
Fri May 3, 2013, 04:05 PM
May 2013

WW I was supposed to do that, and we know how well that worked out.
Come to think of it, Jesus himself couldn't end all wars.

Troops are coming back. Just not in the way you or I would wish, but wishing is what it is.

Al Qaeda doesn't want our troops gone, by the way -- if they really wanted the US out of the Middle East, they'd lay low and stop attacking, and wait until we are completely gone. Having American troops in the Middle East serves the radicals very well -- they have actual people and tanks to point at as "the great Satan." The Neocons were such idiots.

As for ACA, it comes along in bits and pieces, as the bill was written to do. Sorry, but that is how it is. More will be coming. As for Single Payer health care, Obama NEVER NOT EVEN ONCE promised us that. In this country, I guarantee you it is a non-starter, and if he had gone down that road we would still be picking through the smoking rubble.

I'm glad you are in nursing school -- it's a much-needed profession. Does your college not have an insurance program of some sort for students? A student health center? Mine did, way back in the '60s, and last time I checked our local community college and the local branch of University of California, they were still offering it. It only covers enrolled students and not over the summer, so it's not great, but it is (or was) cheap. However, I am sure you have already checked this out with your own college.

uponit7771

(90,304 posts)
118. The GOP mocked Obama hugging SHEs parents, the con culture is beyond shame or "sterness" right now
Fri May 3, 2013, 01:55 PM
May 2013

...at this time I'd be wanting to get the belt and whoop some ...

factsarenotfair

(910 posts)
113. “The only kinds of fights worth fighting are those you are going to lose,
Fri May 3, 2013, 12:52 PM
May 2013

because somebody has to fight them and lose and lose and lose until someday, somebody who believes as you do wins. In order for somebody to win an important, major fight 100 years hence, a lot of other people have got to be willing - for the sheer fun and joy of it - to go right ahead and fight, knowing you're going to lose. You mustn't feel like a martyr. You've got to enjoy it.”
I.F. Stone

Hekate

(90,564 posts)
129. I like the long view, myself.
Fri May 3, 2013, 04:12 PM
May 2013

I really see the struggle as taking place over generations. Sadly, the far right radicals, including the religious nuts, actually implemented their plans starting about 40 years ago. They have done so to great effect.

We (and I mean a LOT of "we&quot won't be able to work our way out of this in one president's term in office. I knew that and said that during the 2008 campaign. Wouldn't have mattered which Dem won, the man or woman would not have been able to wave a magic wand and make it all better.

Too bad so many think that only one person should be doing the fighting and taking the blame just now.

FiveGoodMen

(20,018 posts)
115. He can, however, always stand up for what's fair and decent
Fri May 3, 2013, 01:49 PM
May 2013

and if he loses a battle, he can at least go down swinging.

But that never happens.

Exen Trik

(103 posts)
122. What he could do
Fri May 3, 2013, 03:12 PM
May 2013

Is recognize that he isn't going to get them to compromise, and stop trying to. Take a hard left, argue passionately for traditional democratic values using that fabulous gift for speech. Make it a real fight. Shift the conversation and the "center" closer to where it should be.

I believe that if he had been doing that all the while, we'd have gotten back the house and senate in clear majorities. But that isn't the president we have, at least not yet, so I'll keep on hoping we get to that point somehow.

Hekate

(90,564 posts)
123. Brilliant title!
Fri May 3, 2013, 03:32 PM
May 2013
"He is not the Asshole Whisperer."

Thank you, kpete, for bringing this to DU. Would that certain parties could grasp the essence.

chknltl

(10,558 posts)
125. Speaking of assholes:
Fri May 3, 2013, 03:45 PM
May 2013

He who stubbornly sticks his head in the sand chooses to present his ass to all who pass by. More often than not, one who would instead of passing by, chooses to in anger or frustration, give that ass a swift kick, he also exposes his ass. I believe both individuals have 'Optical Rectitus Paradigmis', (a shitty view of reality). I worry that our democracy can survive such a rampant disease.

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