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msanthrope

(37,549 posts)
Thu May 2, 2013, 06:23 PM May 2013

Massive DU History Fail.....the CONGRESS passed "Loyalty Day' in 1958.

36 USC § 115 - Loyalty Day

(a) Designation.— May 1 is Loyalty Day.

(b) Purpose.— Loyalty Day is a special day for the reaffirmation of loyalty to the United States and for the recognition of the heritage of American freedom.

(c) Proclamation.— The President is requested to issue a proclamation—
(1)calling on United States Government officials to display the flag of the United States on all Government buildings on Loyalty Day; and

(2)inviting the people of the United States to observe Loyalty Day with appropriate ceremonies in schools and other suitable places.



Since 1960, there have been over 50 proclamations of "Loyalty Day"--including by Presidents Kennedy, Carter, Clinton, and now President Obama. But it was really fun to read the two separate freak-out threads on this utter non-issue, blaming President Obama.

You Better Believe It!...
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Massive DU History Fail.....the CONGRESS passed "Loyalty Day' in 1958. (Original Post) msanthrope May 2013 OP
Well, now... Wait Wut May 2013 #1
We've got two threads hopping in GD now. They are high, civics-free humor. nt msanthrope May 2013 #3
Oh, you and your facts and your historical context. tanyev May 2013 #2
ROFL alcibiades_mystery May 2013 #4
. ProSense May 2013 #5
Ooh, that's good. *steals for later use* freshwest May 2013 #8
Stolen. nt msanthrope May 2013 #11
cool. graham4anything May 2013 #141
What's the controversy then? I missed all but the proclamation. Standard stuff. freshwest May 2013 #6
Ahem....The current President did what every other Democratic President did, and is being blamed for msanthrope May 2013 #9
Someone explained it to me. It's called ratfucking, invented by the Nixon operative, Segretti: freshwest May 2013 #31
Nice research. ucrdem May 2013 #124
I just found out we can also DUmail ourselves things to refer back to, if needed. freshwest May 2013 #129
Your journal is awesome to behold. ucrdem May 2013 #130
Thanks, look forward to seeing more of your posts. freshwest May 2013 #133
Thanks so much for this lesson in ancient history that refuses to die.... Hekate May 2013 #135
+1. Sowing fear and discouragement never helps progressive causes. Never. freshwest May 2013 #137
Our problem is the stake through the heart! That only works on vampires. Tyrs WolfDaemon May 2013 #146
LOL! or rather, Bwaa-ha-ha-ha! Hekate May 2013 #150
Excellent post, Freshwest LeftInTX May 2013 #154
I posted the news that Obama had signed the Loyalty Day proclamation dixiegrrrrl May 2013 #13
Should he have ignored the statute? nt msanthrope May 2013 #15
Ask the people in the thread......... dixiegrrrrl May 2013 #16
Are you unaware that the wording in your OP is misleading, or do you just not care? redqueen May 2013 #19
I'm asking you. And will you correct your mistake in your title? It's a Civics Fail that msanthrope May 2013 #20
... crickets ... 11 Bravo May 2013 #56
if you bothered to look, you will see that I did indeed change the heading dixiegrrrrl May 2013 #68
Even without this clarification... ecstatic May 2013 #7
Glad I missed the outrage, then. But it's inevitable if it's PBO, I guess. freshwest May 2013 #12
I'm glad you missed it LeftInTX May 2013 #155
The DU version of 'Obama doesn't have ketchup on his burgers!' and 'His hair cut looks Muslim!' freshwest May 2013 #156
k&r....link.... spanone May 2013 #10
Question, G_j May 2013 #14
I think President Obama read it through a bullhorn, while standing on piles of money.....nt msanthrope May 2013 #25
Win. SOOO full of win. Number23 May 2013 #39
funny if you think snark is appropriate G_j May 2013 #60
No problem. Number23 May 2013 #65
Much obliged G_j May 2013 #117
I second that emotion....! MADem May 2013 #139
so that is the answer? G_j May 2013 #43
And there was a sulfurous cloud of smoke wreathed about him, as befits the anti-Christ Hekate May 2013 #72
yes.... dixiegrrrrl May 2013 #67
thank you G_j May 2013 #71
Thank you, well said. Addison May 2013 #74
yes, and how calling may day another holiday is very much to quash May Day as May Day. robinlynne May 2013 #97
And perhaps feel slighted zeemike May 2013 #102
I haven't really been paying attention. Blue_In_AK May 2013 #140
They are upset there wasn't a proclamation for International Workers' Day OKNancy May 2013 #17
+1 redqueen May 2013 #21
Well, Democrats campaign a bit like Marxists leftstreet May 2013 #30
like I said, get one elected and you can rip that person too. OKNancy May 2013 #33
Maybe there's a reason half the eligible voters don't vote n/t leftstreet May 2013 #36
They're numbskulls? OKNancy May 2013 #38
They don't like the choices? n/t leftstreet May 2013 #41
+1000 truebluegreen May 2013 #90
Because the 80+ countries that *do* celebrate the labor movement on May 1 magellan May 2013 #51
if you will re-read my post, you will see OKNancy May 2013 #66
"It's ridiculous to think that an American Pres would issue a proclamation honoring workers day" magellan May 2013 #78
no, you are incorrect. OKNancy May 2013 #143
Only here magellan May 2013 #158
I don't get it, are you being sarcastic? eilen May 2013 #85
I get the confusion now. You have to know the history behind International Workers Day OKNancy May 2013 #142
Over 80 countries count it as a national holiday-- over an event that happened in Chicago... eilen May 2013 #149
K&R n/t Greybnk48 May 2013 #18
But the sputtering outrage about it is truly fucking hilarious... SidDithers May 2013 #22
You Better Believe It!!!! The "Losing of Shit" combined with a "Civics Fail" is high comedy. msanthrope May 2013 #23
Speaking of flags... ProSense May 2013 #32
"Donovan Slack" was the reporter's name. I couldn't make that up. nt msanthrope May 2013 #57
LOL! zappaman May 2013 #24
I'm gonna need an EMT, I'm laughing so hard....nt msanthrope May 2013 #26
!!! zappaman May 2013 #28
Good to know.. I Cha May 2013 #120
But ProSense May 2013 #27
Look, when Obama used the Presidential Time Machine to go back to 1958 and get this law passed, msanthrope May 2013 #29
Which he did on Mars after his teleportation trip! randome May 2013 #40
Wow, you are just wrong! It was in the 1980's. freshwest May 2013 #44
Wow. Obama looks like Lenny Kravitz in that pic...nt SidDithers May 2013 #47
He's actually one of the Pharoahs, in case you haven't heard. He's an immortal shapeshifter. freshwest May 2013 #55
"He would fix it if he really wanted to" CitizenPatriot May 2013 #59
You've encapsulated the FDLL crowd here, perfectly. nt msanthrope May 2013 #95
+10! (nt) reACTIONary May 2013 #104
Ah, I detect working brain cells. Thank you, that was refreshing. freshwest May 2013 #115
Yep. That's the template alright. Bobbie Jo May 2013 #125
The "propaganda" ain't the only thing weird and creepy in that thread... Number23 May 2013 #112
Sounds like Red Scare bullcrap. Union Scribe May 2013 #34
It is. It's garbage. Hissyspit May 2013 #80
Yeah, I'm glad he chose not to reiterate National Jim Crow Day... nt eilen May 2013 #86
I find this to be a racist post. Care to expand? nt msanthrope May 2013 #98
It's a really stupid post whatever was implied. Cha May 2013 #134
Nat'l Loyalty Day was originated in 1958, during the time of Jim Crow eilen May 2013 #148
What day was that? freshwest May 2013 #116
Indeed it is. Bluenorthwest May 2013 #93
" I, BARACK OBAMA, President of the United States of America, bvar22 May 2013 #35
You forgot to billh58 May 2013 #58
"Workers Rights" are specified in the Constitution? bvar22 May 2013 #63
I did not say that billh58 May 2013 #73
Yes, pursuant to statute created in 1958. Frankly, I find the co-opting of Beltane by the Marxists msanthrope May 2013 #62
Are you keeping a list? Number23 May 2013 #37
I think Nixon wanted Labor day to be called "Law and Order" day. alfredo May 2013 #42
I just heard this in my head... msanthrope May 2013 #46
Lawnnorder was the right wing response to anti war protests. Doink Doink alfredo May 2013 #132
Yep. Could they be making themselves more transparent? treestar May 2013 #45
...and the wholesale fucking of the American worker has been going on since the 1800's Earth_First May 2013 #48
And maybe he could have talked about all kinds of stuff. THIS was the DevonRex May 2013 #54
And the White House wrote the Proclamation yesterday. rug May 2013 #49
Nah--I'm betting it was written sometime in April, was reviewed and edited by the DLC, msanthrope May 2013 #53
I think Joe McCarthy wrote the original draft. Fuddnik May 2013 #61
It has been comedy gold for sure n/t MadrasT May 2013 #50
So, I chose to avoid those other two threads for a while Sheepshank May 2013 #52
Well, to be fair Number23 May 2013 #75
I don't remember, but then I was busy studying for final exams back then at this time. Cleita May 2013 #64
Hey, the 2014 Midterms aren't going to suppress themselves. FSogol May 2013 #69
The Internet has made ratfucking accountable.....you gotta PRODUCE! nt msanthrope May 2013 #70
Statement by the President Upon Signing Resolution Designating May as Loyalty Day James48 May 2013 #76
Obama took over Eisenhower's body through the Jedi mind-meld after he used the Presidential Time msanthrope May 2013 #79
KnR. Total facepalm. Hekate May 2013 #77
People will not let facts stand in the way of bashing Obama krawhitham May 2013 #81
outrage about the new holiday "Loyalty Day" are a sort-of-annual DU tradition fishwax May 2013 #82
. ProSense May 2013 #83
It's like the rich 1% Whisp May 2013 #84
That cannot be true. It is Obama's fault. MineralMan May 2013 #87
Did you come on my thread to spread some more moose propaganda? msanthrope May 2013 #88
Bullwinkle Moose declares May 1 to be MineralMan May 2013 #91
I always figured you to be a Boris Badenov type. Now I know. nt msanthrope May 2013 #92
Well, Natasha MineralMan May 2013 #94
OK. Still a stupid idea, from the same decade and mindset truebluegreen May 2013 #89
Of course it came out of the McCarthy era list making oath taking time of knives in backs Bluenorthwest May 2013 #96
Our ancestors did that long before these silly political designations. nt msanthrope May 2013 #99
The Maypole holiday! MineralMan May 2013 #101
"Requested", not commanded, to wave the flag and speak platitudes. Tierra_y_Libertad May 2013 #100
Damn Jimmy Carter, and every other Democratic President who answered that request from Congress!!! msanthrope May 2013 #103
Did they pledge loyalty to Mom..and apple pie? Tierra_y_Libertad May 2013 #105
Obama is ebil! You should totally not vote for his third term. nt msanthrope May 2013 #106
No. He's just a politic-as-usual centrist playing to the crowd. Tierra_y_Libertad May 2013 #108
No!!! He's EBIL!!!! nt msanthrope May 2013 #111
If you say so. But, I think he's just rather typical and very ordinary. Tierra_y_Libertad May 2013 #114
this is the most ridiculous thread I have seen here in a long time.... chillfactor May 2013 #107
thanks for kicking this thread on the history of Cha May 2013 #123
Point of order.... Bobbie Jo May 2013 #126
The VFW's website on "Loyalty Day" James48 May 2013 #109
That word "heritage" bothers me a bit. Skip Intro May 2013 #110
5/1/15 is my father's birthday. The heck with any stupid "proclamations." WinkyDink May 2013 #113
What and miss a perfectly good chance(in their minds) to Cha May 2013 #118
I now proclaim everyday Obama Outrage Day on DU. JoePhilly May 2013 #119
Awesome... SidDithers May 2013 #121
Today's outrage threads have been hilarious. JoePhilly May 2013 #122
Gas prices are still down in my neighborhood! freshwest May 2013 #127
It's always Obama's fault... SidDithers May 2013 #128
Whenever it was passed, it's fucking lame. n/t whatchamacallit May 2013 #131
Yeah, a Republican, anti-Commie idea to counter May Day as International Workers Day Coyotl May 2013 #136
Politically, what would be the consequences of throwing out Loyalty Day OKNancy May 2013 #144
I dunno. The Republicans would have been unhappy with him? Comrade Grumpy May 2013 #153
Aren't you all high - falutin', with your knowledge and facts and all....! MADem May 2013 #138
I'm just now understanding that part of the problem is many here have no idea OKNancy May 2013 #145
Hell, that's asking way too much. MADem May 2013 #151
Article I , Section 8....I knows it. nt msanthrope May 2013 #147
Hee hee...! MADem May 2013 #152
The President is requested, not the President shall. His choice, not his duty. TheKentuckian May 2013 #157

Wait Wut

(8,492 posts)
1. Well, now...
Thu May 2, 2013, 06:25 PM
May 2013

...I'm sorry I missed it. (The freakout, not the day. )

Edit: Crap. I spoke to soon. I'm sorry, but May 1st in my home is Beltane. It's also a friend's birthday. Neither of these things infringes on unions, workers, etc., etc. Neither does 'Loyalty Day' for the love of nitpicking.

 

msanthrope

(37,549 posts)
9. Ahem....The current President did what every other Democratic President did, and is being blamed for
Thu May 2, 2013, 06:33 PM
May 2013

it.

There's two threads in GD where the posters are handwringing over what Mr. Obama did. But not what any other Democratic President did.

I, too, wonder why.

freshwest

(53,661 posts)
31. Someone explained it to me. It's called ratfucking, invented by the Nixon operative, Segretti:
Thu May 2, 2013, 07:01 PM
May 2013
Donald Henry Segretti (born September 17, 1941, in San Marino, California) is a former political operative for the Committee to Re-elect the President (Nixon) during the early 1970s. Segretti was hired by friend Dwight L. Chapin to run a campaign of dirty tricks (which he dubbed "ratfucking"[1]) against the Democrats, with his work being paid for by Herb Kalmbach, Nixon's lawyer, from presidential campaign re-election funds gathered before an April 7, 1972, law required that contributors be identified. His actions were part of the larger Watergate scandal, and were important indicators for the few members of the press actively investigating the Watergate break in in the earliest stages that what became known as the Watergate scandal involved far more than just a simple break in.

Segretti's involvement in the "Canuck letter"[2] typifies the tactics Segretti and others working with him used, forging a letter ascribed to Senator Edmund Muskie which maligned the people, language and culture of French Canada and French Canadians, causing the soon to be Democratic presidential candidate Muskie considerable headaches in denying the letter and having to continue dealing with the issue.

Many historians have indicated over the years that Muskie's withdrawal from the Presidential primaries, and the disastrous Iowa primary loss to George McGovern that precipitated it, were at least partly the result of Segretti and some of the other "Ratfuckers" creating so much confusion and false accusations that Muskie simply could not respond in any meaningful way.

In 1974, Segretti pleaded guilty to three misdemeanor counts of distributing illegal (in fact, forged) campaign literature and was sentenced to six months in prison, actually serving four months. One notable example of his wrongdoing was a faked letter on Democratic presidential candidate Edmund Muskie's letterhead falsely alleging that U.S. Senator Henry "Scoop" Jackson, a fellow Democrat, had had an illegitimate child with a 17-year-old; the Muskie letters accused Senator Hubert H. Humphrey of sexual misconduct as well.[3]

After testimony regarding the Muskie letters emerged, Democrats in Florida noted the similarity between these sabotage incidents and others that involved stationery stolen from Humphrey's offices after Muskie dropped out of the race. A false news release on Humphrey's letterhead "accused Rep. Shirley Chisholm (D-N.Y.) of being mentally unbalanced" and a mailing with an unidentified source mischaracterized Humphrey as supporting a controversial environmental measure that he actually opposed.[3]

In the 1976 film about Watergate, All the President's Men, Segretti was played by Robert Walden.

Segretti was a lawyer who served as a prosecutor for the military and later as a civilian. However, his license was suspended for two years following his conviction. In 1995, he ran for a local judgeship in Orange County, California. However, he quickly withdrew from the race when his campaign awakened lingering anger over his involvement in the Watergate scandal. In 2000, Segretti served as co-chair of John McCain's presidential campaign in Orange County.[4]

He holds a B.S. in Finance from the University of Southern California (1963) and a J.D. from UC Berkeley School of Law (1966). While at USC he became associated with Dwight L. Chapin, Tim Elbourne, Ron Ziegler, Herbert Porter and Gordon C. Strachan, they all joined the "Trojans for Representative Government" group.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donald_Segretti

It's been working for years. We get so many misrepresentations posted to divide us and have us at each other's throats. This guy was still involved a decade or so ago, why would they stop now when it's so effective?

Rush savaged Hillary when she tried to reform healthcare, saying it would create Death Panels. Palin used it in 2000, and they've never stopped using these lies and distortions. That is just one example only.

It won for them in 2010 and they plan to use it for 2014, too. So, there it is, writes like a ratfuck, makes you feel you've been ratfucked, it is ratfucking. I'd apologize for the language, but I didn't invent the term.

freshwest

(53,661 posts)
129. I just found out we can also DUmail ourselves things to refer back to, if needed.
Thu May 2, 2013, 11:15 PM
May 2013

Check my Journal, going back a few pages, lot of links there. A lot of videos and pictures make it take a moment to load up, but there is a lot there. I'll look forward to seeing what you add to mine. The more we get the word out the better.

Hekate

(90,500 posts)
135. Thanks so much for this lesson in ancient history that refuses to die....
Fri May 3, 2013, 01:20 AM
May 2013

Even a stake through the heart cannot kill the ghost of Richard Nixon and pals. The ratfuckers move amongst us still.

Sometimes at DU, when you see the swish of a tail out of the corner of your eye, follow the trail of little black turds to a darkened hole. Good luck trying to actually catch one, though.

Hekate

Tyrs WolfDaemon

(2,289 posts)
146. Our problem is the stake through the heart! That only works on vampires.
Fri May 3, 2013, 09:26 AM
May 2013

Ghosts require a different approach. My favorite is blood and bone magick. If you can get me one of these f'ers bones then I might be able to do something*.









*Of course I'm joking about getting one of their bones so as to perform a spell. Getting rid of them and their ilk would require much more powerful magick than that. Now if you would like to help do that, I need help into getting back an ancient family artifact from the Vatican. So if you can help me find and get into the Vatican's version of Warehouse 13, then perhaps we can do something...


Hekate

(90,500 posts)
150. LOL! or rather, Bwaa-ha-ha-ha!
Fri May 3, 2013, 01:44 PM
May 2013

I spit in Nixon's general direction.

Someone, maybe Hunter Thompson, said something to the effect that when the last frozen level of Hell had disgorged its occupants, then the ghost of Richard Nixon would once again walk the Earth. Something spooky and embittered like that -- sorry, I really can't do it justice.

I used to think there was no one I could hate as much as Dick Nixon. I was pretty impressed when my father-in-law, late into his 80's and sometimes losing his English (it was only his 3rd or 4th language), started talking about Nixon with me, and suddenly the old man was practically purple in the face and pounding the arm of his chair, and I am not sure what language he was using at that point, but Nixon had been dead for decades at this point. I'm glad my FIL did not live to see Dubya take office.

Speaking of spitting, I have a friend who lives in the South who has to drive through Crawford to visit her mother and brothers. When Dubya still had his pig ranch, she would make a point of spitting out her car window as she drove through Crawford.

I'm wandering. Ahh. Perhaps a fantasy novella could be written about Dick Cheney's original heart being stolen from the medical waste bin to be used for blood magick. Talk about wish-fulfillment.

dixiegrrrrl

(60,010 posts)
13. I posted the news that Obama had signed the Loyalty Day proclamation
Thu May 2, 2013, 06:34 PM
May 2013

and asked "what do people think"?
and BAM!!!!
got all these responses:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022787144

redqueen

(115,096 posts)
19. Are you unaware that the wording in your OP is misleading, or do you just not care?
Thu May 2, 2013, 06:43 PM
May 2013

I get that the M$M words things the way they do for a reason. I'm curious about why you'd leave your OP the way it is, though.

 

msanthrope

(37,549 posts)
20. I'm asking you. And will you correct your mistake in your title? It's a Civics Fail that
Thu May 2, 2013, 06:44 PM
May 2013

indicates that you did not actually read your own link and is quite glaring.

You see, you claim, incorrectly, that "Pres. Obama designates May 1 as Loyalty Day."

But your link says:

In order to recognize the American spirit of loyalty and the sacrifices that so many have made for our Nation, the Congress, by Public Law 85-529 as amended, has designated May 1 of each year as "Loyalty Day." On this day, let us reaffirm our allegiance to the United States of America, our Constitution, and our founding values.



You see, Congress designates by means of a Bill.

Here's a primer:



dixiegrrrrl

(60,010 posts)
68. if you bothered to look, you will see that I did indeed change the heading
Thu May 2, 2013, 07:49 PM
May 2013

before you posted your comment.

ecstatic

(32,640 posts)
7. Even without this clarification...
Thu May 2, 2013, 06:32 PM
May 2013

I read a few words from an outrage thread and just thought to myself, "really?" How do people have the time and energy to get so angry over foolishness?

LeftInTX

(25,050 posts)
155. I'm glad you missed it
Fri May 3, 2013, 04:28 PM
May 2013

I didn't and didn't understand it.

I can see people complaining about policies, but a proclamation???
It reminds me of Fox News getting upset over pardoned turkeys at Thanksgiving.

freshwest

(53,661 posts)
156. The DU version of 'Obama doesn't have ketchup on his burgers!' and 'His hair cut looks Muslim!'
Fri May 3, 2013, 04:40 PM
May 2013
Yes, the winguts really did go off about that, in an coordinated attack, from Limbaugh to Fox to the other radio shills. It's all courtesy of the wingnut and Libertarian noise machine. But then, they are both funded by the Koch brothers, so anything will do. Pays well. Ratfucking works.

spanone

(135,767 posts)
10. k&r....link....
Thu May 2, 2013, 06:34 PM
May 2013

Background

Loyalty Day was first observed in 1921 as "Americanization Day" to counterbalance Labour Day on May Day (May 1), celebrated in other parts of the world. On May 1, 1930, about 10,000 Veterans of Foreign War members staged a rally at New York's Union Square to promote patriotism. Through a resolution adopted in 1949, May 1 evolved into Loyalty Day. Observances began on April 28, 1950, and climaxed on May 1 when more than five million people across the nation held rallies. In New York City, more than 100,000 people rallied for America.


http://www.timeanddate.com/holidays/us/loyalty-day

G_j

(40,366 posts)
60. funny if you think snark is appropriate
Thu May 2, 2013, 07:35 PM
May 2013

when someone asks a simple question.
It was an honest question. I was hoping for an answer

Hekate

(90,500 posts)
72. And there was a sulfurous cloud of smoke wreathed about him, as befits the anti-Christ
Thu May 2, 2013, 07:54 PM
May 2013

I did not miss the outrage, though I wish I had. Ye gods and little catfishes, what utter stupidity.

dixiegrrrrl

(60,010 posts)
67. yes....
Thu May 2, 2013, 07:47 PM
May 2013
http://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press-office/2013/04/30/presidential-proclamation-loyalty-day-2013

Many folks have given the history of the law, in their posts, which has been interesting,
a very few pointed out the law says a President is "requested" to proclaim it on May 1,
(as opposed to "must proclaim it&quot .

G_j

(40,366 posts)
71. thank you
Thu May 2, 2013, 07:53 PM
May 2013

I've been trying to educate myself.
I am fairly well informed about some things but this is new to me. I can't believe all the snark.

I think some of those who are heaviest with ridicule don't quite get how important May Day is for the recognition of worker's historic struggles.

zeemike

(18,998 posts)
102. And perhaps feel slighted
Thu May 2, 2013, 08:49 PM
May 2013

for the POTUS to proclaim "loyalty" to step all over May day as their day.
It surely can be seen as cynical.

Blue_In_AK

(46,436 posts)
140. I haven't really been paying attention.
Fri May 3, 2013, 02:13 AM
May 2013

Did the president also acknowledge the significance of May 1 to the labor movement? If he didn't, then I understand why pro-labor people are disappointed. There are plenty of patriotic holidays in the course of a year -- Memorial Day, Independence Day, Veteran's Day, Flag Day, President's Day, etc. etc., but Labor only gets one day, and the significance of that has been usurped by giant end-of-summer sales and back-to-school sales. You never really feel like LABOR is being celebrated.

So I understand the frustration. Patriotism and capitalism (i.e., the sales) seem to take precedence over the hard-fought rights of workers, which some in government would happily take away.

So did the president also acknowledge the importance of the labor movement on May 1?

OKNancy

(41,832 posts)
17. They are upset there wasn't a proclamation for International Workers' Day
Thu May 2, 2013, 06:38 PM
May 2013

But since it has never be a recognized US holiday, they will just have to wait until a Marxist gets elected, and a Congress that would pass it.

Being a little snarky with the above, but really now, the unrealistic and over-the-top bs that flows here is embarrassing.

leftstreet

(36,097 posts)
30. Well, Democrats campaign a bit like Marxists
Thu May 2, 2013, 06:59 PM
May 2013

They do so love to embrace the working classes on the campaign trail

But once in office...

OKNancy

(41,832 posts)
33. like I said, get one elected and you can rip that person too.
Thu May 2, 2013, 07:02 PM
May 2013

I doubt you will find anyone better than Obama who is ELECTABLE. That's the key.

OKNancy

(41,832 posts)
66. if you will re-read my post, you will see
Thu May 2, 2013, 07:46 PM
May 2013

this: "Being a little snarky with the above"

I do stand by the tenor of the post though. It's ridiculous to think that an American President would issue a proclamation honoring workers day. Mr. Obama has enough hate already. There would be impeachment calls. Some DUers are just being unreasonable.

magellan

(13,257 posts)
78. "It's ridiculous to think that an American Pres would issue a proclamation honoring workers day"
Thu May 2, 2013, 08:06 PM
May 2013

Actually, what's ridiculous is that anyone thinks it's ridiculous.

God forbid any American President should honor American workers. It's not Communist but it sounds like it is, so rather than stand up for what's right we'll just avoid it. Too much trouble.

OKNancy

(41,832 posts)
143. no, you are incorrect.
Fri May 3, 2013, 04:35 AM
May 2013

International Workers Day is associated with Marxists, Communists and anarchists. Obama honors workers on Labor Day in September.

magellan

(13,257 posts)
158. Only here
Fri May 3, 2013, 07:25 PM
May 2013

Because 80+ countries - including our close allies - celebrate the day without getting all wobbly-kneed about *gasp* Marxists, Communists and anarchists. Evidently we, alone among them, don't have the guts or intellect to fight rw propaganda and give International Workers Day the recognition it deserves.

eilen

(4,950 posts)
85. I don't get it, are you being sarcastic?
Thu May 2, 2013, 08:16 PM
May 2013

Why would the president get hate and impeachment for honoring workers? Don't workers pay taxes? Are you being serious or sarcastic? I'm having a hard time understanding this thread. Americanism Day instead of a worldwide Labor Day....

OKNancy

(41,832 posts)
142. I get the confusion now. You have to know the history behind International Workers Day
Fri May 3, 2013, 04:33 AM
May 2013

Briefly, it is associated with Communists and Anarchists.

http://www.marxists.org/subject/mayday/index.htm

My point is it would be political suicide to throw out the old Loyalty Day and proclaim instead IWD

eilen

(4,950 posts)
149. Over 80 countries count it as a national holiday-- over an event that happened in Chicago...
Fri May 3, 2013, 12:56 PM
May 2013

"International Workers' Day is the commemoration of the 1886 Haymarket affair in Chicago. The police were trying to disperse a public assembly during a general strike for the eight-hour workday, when an unidentified person threw a bomb at them. The police reacted by firing on the workers, killing four demonstrators. "Reliable witnesses testified that all the pistol flashes came from the center of the street, where the police were standing, and none from the crowd. Moreover, initial newspaper reports made no mention of firing by civilians. A telegraph pole at the scene was filled with bullet holes, all coming from the direction of the police."[1][2][3][4]
In 1889, the first congress of the Second International, meeting in Paris for the centennial of the French Revolution and the Exposition Universelle, following a proposal by Raymond Lavigne, called for international demonstrations on the 1890 anniversary of the Chicago protests.[5] May Day was formally recognized as an annual event at the International's second congress in 1891.[citation needed]

May Day has long been a focal point for demonstrations by various socialist, communist and anarchist groups.

After the Haymarket Massacre, US President Grover Cleveland feared that commemorating Labor Day on May 1 could become an opportunity to commemorate the affair.

Far-right governments have traditionally sought to repress the message behind International Workers' Day, with fascist governments in Portugal, Italy, Germany and Spain abolishing the workers' holiday. 1 May in the US is celebrated as Loyalty Day."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Workers'_Day

Although those groups tend to demonstrate on May Day, I still don't know why or how it would be political suicide for Obama to support an International Day for Workers. Especially since we have so many (international workers) and the big wealthy capitalists are always asking for more.

SidDithers

(44,228 posts)
22. But the sputtering outrage about it is truly fucking hilarious...
Thu May 2, 2013, 06:46 PM
May 2013

I love it when all the usual ODS suspects absolutely lose their shit about this type of thing.



Sid

 

msanthrope

(37,549 posts)
23. You Better Believe It!!!! The "Losing of Shit" combined with a "Civics Fail" is high comedy.
Thu May 2, 2013, 06:50 PM
May 2013

It reminds me of the time some fools thought Candidate Obama had redesigned the American flag....


http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/archives/individual/2008_10/015233.php

 

msanthrope

(37,549 posts)
29. Look, when Obama used the Presidential Time Machine to go back to 1958 and get this law passed,
Thu May 2, 2013, 06:58 PM
May 2013

shit did get weird and creepy.

You Better Believe It! nt

freshwest

(53,661 posts)
44. Wow, you are just wrong! It was in the 1980's.
Thu May 2, 2013, 07:15 PM
May 2013
White House Denies CIA Teleported Obama to Mars

By Spencer Ackerman 01.03.12



...Between 1981 and 1983, Obama is supposed to have visited Mars twice, by way of a teleportation chamber called a “jump room.” Basiago, a fellow chrononaut, told the website Exopolitics that he saw Obama “walk back to the jump room from across the Martian terrain.” To acknowledge his comrade, Obama is said to have told Basiago, “We’re here” — apparently, “with some sense of fatalism.”

It is not known what exactly Obama did on Mars. (Socializing Martian health care, perhaps? Building a birth-certificate printing press?) His mission was a perilous one, according to Basiago and Stillings. The CIA wished to “establish a defense regime protecting the Earth from threats from space” as well as a legal claim to “territorial sovereignty,” making Obama something of a Martian conquistador. Presumably, Obama’s CIA handlers needed him to “acclimate Martian humanoids and animals to their presence” in order to secure the U.S.-Martian alliance. (We’ll bet you weren’t even aware of Martian animals.)

“Simply put, your task is to be seen and not eaten,” an elder chrononaut, retired Army Maj. Ed Dames, is alleged to have told a young Obama.

You can scoff at the idea of Obama on Mars. But it explains a lot. Obviously the birth-certificate controversy is a side effect of Obama forgetting to sufficiently establish his fake identity as he learned to manipulate time and space. (Dugan has a demonstrated record of supporting space travel; the “jump room” must be broken.) And who else but a man accustomed to keeping the country’s most explosive secret would be comfortable waging so many undeclared wars? Ignore Basiago and Stillings at your own peril. If Obama’s reelected, the U.S. is finally colonizing Mars.


http://www.wired.com/dangerroom/2012/01/obama-mars/

How many times must I tell you sheeple! Listen to me! It's the truth! It's all happening right now!



freshwest

(53,661 posts)
55. He's actually one of the Pharoahs, in case you haven't heard. He's an immortal shapeshifter.
Thu May 2, 2013, 07:24 PM
May 2013
Now you know it all! Go forth and uh, well... Tell someone!

CitizenPatriot

(3,783 posts)
59. "He would fix it if he really wanted to"
Thu May 2, 2013, 07:31 PM
May 2013

Re any problem

Me, "How? Congress passes laws and funds things like the closure of Gitmo."

"He just would. He doesn't care."

Me, "Are you suggesting he expand executive power in order to close Gitmo, beyond the Executive Orders and SS he's already issued?"

"Why not? Or do you enjoy murdering babies? Why do you support the MURDER of babies!"

Me (slightly confused but choosing to ignore the murder canard), "Oh. I see. You have a problem with the executive power that created this problem, so to fix it we need to expand it again and you call yourself a Liberal Libertarian. You might want to review your beliefs again."

"Bow down to Dear Leader! You're an Obama cheerleader!"

Me, "AKA, educated about government."

eilen

(4,950 posts)
148. Nat'l Loyalty Day was originated in 1958, during the time of Jim Crow
Fri May 3, 2013, 12:45 PM
May 2013

Just because it was passed then, doesn't mean we have to keep doing it in perpetuity-- in fact, as it is a relic of McCarthyism, we should probably stop. (Bad idea analagous to another really Bad Idea ie Jim Crow). I'd draw a pie chart if I could to illustrate.

bvar22

(39,909 posts)
35. " I, BARACK OBAMA, President of the United States of America,
Thu May 2, 2013, 07:05 PM
May 2013
do hereby proclaim May 1, 2012, as Loyalty Day."

http://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press-office/2012/05/01/presidential-proclamation-loyalty-day-2012

(admittedly, whitehouse.gov is a propaganda site,
but I trust them on this issue)


---bvar22
Proud, FDR, UNION THUG.
On May 1st, I CELEBRATE the blood shed by my father and grandfather in their fight to secure Workers Rights.
President Obama can call May 1st whatever he wants to,
but I won't forget what May 1st REALLY stands for.



You will know them by their WORKS,
not by their excuses.
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billh58

(6,635 posts)
58. You forgot to
Thu May 2, 2013, 07:30 PM
May 2013

include this:

"In order to recognize the American spirit of loyalty and the sacrifices that so many have made for our Nation, the Congress, by Public Law 85-529 as amended, has designated May 1 of each year as "Loyalty Day." On this day, let us reaffirm our allegiance to the United States of America, our Constitution, and our founding values."

Now the proclamation can be viewed in its proper context, which includes workers rights, civil rights, and all other rights guaranteed by our Constitution.

bvar22

(39,909 posts)
63. "Workers Rights" are specified in the Constitution?
Thu May 2, 2013, 07:40 PM
May 2013

If so,
then explain THIS:
Corporate Profits Hit Record High While Worker Wages Hit Record Low
http://thinkprogress.org/economy/2012/12/03/1270541/corporate-profits-wages-record/?mobile=nc


I will continue to celebrate [font size=3] International Workers' Day[/font]
on May First.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Workers'_Day

Did President Obama even mention International Workers' Day?
You and President Obama can have your "Loyalty Day" and "Patriot Acts".


--bvar22
Proud Union THUG!

billh58

(6,635 posts)
73. I did not say that
Thu May 2, 2013, 07:57 PM
May 2013

"workers rights" were contained in the Constitution, but the Labor Movement has always been a part of the fabric of the American way of life. The movement is currently in decline, and I was in on the beginning of the decline. I was a PATCO air traffic controller on August 3, 1981, and was the President of the PATCO Local at my facility. I was proudly fired by Ronny Raygun, fined by a Federal Judge for violating an injunction, and still ardently support unions.

Having said that, May 1st has been Loyalty Day in the United States for decades. In Hawaii May Day (May 1) is also Lei Day, and is celebrated as such. President Obama, like almost all presidents before him since Eisenhower, issued a proclamation recognizing May 1 as Loyalty Day as requested by Congress when they passed the Public Law. He is only following tradition, and protocol.

You may bash President Obama for whatever reasons you choose, but he has done nothing wrong with this proclamation of Loyalty Day. I am also a combat veteran, and fully appreciate the meaning of loyalty and sacrifice.

 

msanthrope

(37,549 posts)
62. Yes, pursuant to statute created in 1958. Frankly, I find the co-opting of Beltane by the Marxists
Thu May 2, 2013, 07:38 PM
May 2013

to be reminiscent of the Christian co-opting of Sol Invictus's birthday. I know the real meaning of May 1!!!

Where's the pole?

Number23

(24,544 posts)
37. Are you keeping a list?
Thu May 2, 2013, 07:05 PM
May 2013
Massive DU History Fail

You're gonna need a spreadsheet with a whooole lot of memory.
 

msanthrope

(37,549 posts)
46. I just heard this in my head...
Thu May 2, 2013, 07:16 PM
May 2013



That would have been an epic Nixon Fail. Like when he met with Elvis for his anti-drug taskforce...

treestar

(82,383 posts)
45. Yep. Could they be making themselves more transparent?
Thu May 2, 2013, 07:16 PM
May 2013

They are just trying to stir people up. And now have been caught doing it with nothing.

You Better Believe It !!!

Earth_First

(14,910 posts)
48. ...and the wholesale fucking of the American worker has been going on since the 1800's
Thu May 2, 2013, 07:18 PM
May 2013

Some sort of recognotion towards class struggle would have been fucking nice.

DevonRex

(22,541 posts)
54. And maybe he could have talked about all kinds of stuff. THIS was the
Thu May 2, 2013, 07:24 PM
May 2013

Loyalty Day Proclamation. It was posted on the website. Not a massive holiday, dude. Formality. HELLO!!!

 

msanthrope

(37,549 posts)
53. Nah--I'm betting it was written sometime in April, was reviewed and edited by the DLC,
Thu May 2, 2013, 07:24 PM
May 2013

or Bill Gates, or the "corporatists," and then when it was approved by Obama's socialist handler Bill Ayers as a clever double-feint, it was uploaded on May 1.

The White House strikes me as fairly efficient.

 

Sheepshank

(12,504 posts)
52. So, I chose to avoid those other two threads for a while
Thu May 2, 2013, 07:23 PM
May 2013

and now I shall play a little game. I've got a feeling I know the names of at least 10 posters who will be showing up to crap on Obama without a shred of real evidence. All they needed was some idiot to produce a bandwagon for them to jump on.

Number23

(24,544 posts)
75. Well, to be fair
Thu May 2, 2013, 07:59 PM
May 2013

Most of them are in another thread whining about the president's new pick for Commerce Secretary.

But some found time to multi-task and whine, bitch and moan about both issues.

Cleita

(75,480 posts)
64. I don't remember, but then I was busy studying for final exams back then at this time.
Thu May 2, 2013, 07:41 PM
May 2013

However, considering we were at the height of the cold war back then and Russia had huge celebrations on May Day celebrating the communist worker, I can see why we wanted to change the name to remind us we weren't communists.

James48

(4,424 posts)
76. Statement by the President Upon Signing Resolution Designating May as Loyalty Day
Thu May 2, 2013, 08:01 PM
May 2013

175 - Statement by the President Upon Signing Resolution Designating May as Loyalty Day.
July 18, 1958

Public Papers of the Presidents
Dwight D. Eisenhower<br>1958

Dwight D. Eisenhower
1958
The American Presidency Project


I HAVE TODAY approved House Joint Resolution Number 479, designating May 1 as Loyalty Day, and calling for its appropriate observance by the people of this Nation. I am in accord with its purposes.

The naming of May 1st as Loyalty Day conflicts, however, with the observance of that day as Child Health Day pursuant to joint resolution passed by the Congress in 1928.

I therefore urge that the Congress enact legislation amending the act of May 28, 1928, 45 Stat. 616, by substituting the first Monday in October for May 1 as Child Health Day, thus avoiding the conflict that would otherwise result from simultaneous observances for different purposes.


Signed:
Dwight D. Eisenhower, President

Note: As enacted, House Joint Resolution 479 is Public Law 85-529 (72 Stat. 369). Citation: Dwight D. Eisenhower: "Statement by the President Upon Signing Resolution Designating May as Loyalty Day.," July 18, 1958. Online by Gerhard Peters and John T. Woolley, The American Presidency Project. http://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/ws/?pid=11135

 

msanthrope

(37,549 posts)
79. Obama took over Eisenhower's body through the Jedi mind-meld after he used the Presidential Time
Thu May 2, 2013, 08:06 PM
May 2013

Machine and went back to 1958.

It's the only explanation.

fishwax

(29,148 posts)
82. outrage about the new holiday "Loyalty Day" are a sort-of-annual DU tradition
Thu May 2, 2013, 08:14 PM
May 2013

Though this year, certainly, has been more pronounced than most.

Last year we had this thread: http://www.democraticunderground.com/1002638731

One from 2007: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x795998

2006: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=364x1077339

2005: "Loyalty Day 2005- Is this for real?"

Like I said last year, 50 years as a holiday and still almost nobody has heard about

 

msanthrope

(37,549 posts)
88. Did you come on my thread to spread some more moose propaganda?
Thu May 2, 2013, 08:26 PM
May 2013

They've figured out your evil plot to subvert progressivism with your zoo stories, you know.

MineralMan

(146,242 posts)
91. Bullwinkle Moose declares May 1 to be
Thu May 2, 2013, 08:34 PM
May 2013

Moose & Squirrel Day all around the world. Now, watch me pull a rabbit out of my hat!

 

truebluegreen

(9,033 posts)
89. OK. Still a stupid idea, from the same decade and mindset
Thu May 2, 2013, 08:28 PM
May 2013

that gave us (officially) "In God We Trust" on money and "...under God..." in the Pledge of Allegiance (which BTW I consider another piece of brainwashing propaganda). What a coincidence that the Red-baiting 1950s spawned "Loyalty Day" on May 1, known elsewhere around the world as a holiday honoring workers.

If I had been old enough to pay attention I wouldn't have liked it then any better than I like it now.

Eisenhower, Carter, Obama, Whoever--stupid effing idea. I'd rather leave worship to the realm of religion.

 

Bluenorthwest

(45,319 posts)
96. Of course it came out of the McCarthy era list making oath taking time of knives in backs
Thu May 2, 2013, 08:43 PM
May 2013

A leftover from dark days indeed. Let them call it what they like, to me it's May Day and involves dancing around and flowers.

 

msanthrope

(37,549 posts)
103. Damn Jimmy Carter, and every other Democratic President who answered that request from Congress!!!
Thu May 2, 2013, 08:56 PM
May 2013

President Obama should totally refuse a Mother's Day Proclamation, just cause he can!

 

Tierra_y_Libertad

(50,414 posts)
114. If you say so. But, I think he's just rather typical and very ordinary.
Thu May 2, 2013, 09:29 PM
May 2013
"History has tried to teach us that we can't have good government under politicians.  Now, to go and stick one at the very head of government couldn't be wise." Mark Twain

chillfactor

(7,571 posts)
107. this is the most ridiculous thread I have seen here in a long time....
Thu May 2, 2013, 09:06 PM
May 2013

good grief.....what a waste of time and space...

Bobbie Jo

(14,341 posts)
126. Point of order....
Thu May 2, 2013, 10:59 PM
May 2013

This thread is ABOUT the most ridiculous thread of the day, but your contribution to the wasted time and space effort is duly noted.





James48

(4,424 posts)
109. The VFW's website on "Loyalty Day"
Thu May 2, 2013, 09:10 PM
May 2013

Take a look at what that radical left-wing Veterans of Foreign Wars (VFW) has to say about "Loyalty Day":

Patriotic Day-Loyalty-


LOYALTY DAY

Loyalty Day originally began as "Americanization Day" in 1921 as a counter to the Communists' May 1 celebration of the Russian Revolution. On May 1, 1930, 10,000 VFW members staged a rally at New York's Union Square to promote patriotism. Through a resolution adopted in 1949, May 1 evolved into Loyalty Day. Observances began in 1950 on April 28 and climaxed May 1 when more than five million people across the nation held rallies. In New York City, more than 100,000 people rallied for America. In 1958 Congress enacted Public Law 529 proclaiming Loyalty Day a permanent fixture on the nation's calendar.

http://www.vfw.org/Community/PATRIOTIC-DAYS/

Skip Intro

(19,768 posts)
110. That word "heritage" bothers me a bit.
Thu May 2, 2013, 09:11 PM
May 2013

"recognition of the heritage of American freedom"

Shouldn't heritage be replaced by "endurance" or "eternal nature" or something like that?

The freedom is what creates, or should, the loyalty.

Cha

(296,689 posts)
118. What and miss a perfectly good chance(in their minds) to
Thu May 2, 2013, 10:18 PM
May 2013

whine and foam about President Obama?

Not. Gonna. Happen.

Thanks for reality DU, msanthrope

JoePhilly

(27,787 posts)
119. I now proclaim everyday Obama Outrage Day on DU.
Thu May 2, 2013, 10:28 PM
May 2013

DU members are encouraged to celebrate by selecting something Obama does for which no outrage is necessary and then apply a full dose of outrage in an OP on DU.

freshwest

(53,661 posts)
127. Gas prices are still down in my neighborhood!
Thu May 2, 2013, 11:01 PM
May 2013


Also, the sun didn't shine today. Damn Obama and his solar energy plans. He stole the sun right from over my head!

 

Coyotl

(15,262 posts)
136. Yeah, a Republican, anti-Commie idea to counter May Day as International Workers Day
Fri May 3, 2013, 01:25 AM
May 2013

But the President does not have to be a republican shill unless he so decides. It is not mandatory.

OKNancy

(41,832 posts)
144. Politically, what would be the consequences of throwing out Loyalty Day
Fri May 3, 2013, 04:39 AM
May 2013

and instead proclaiming it International Workers Day given the history behind the day?

MADem

(135,425 posts)
138. Aren't you all high - falutin', with your knowledge and facts and all....!
Fri May 3, 2013, 01:57 AM
May 2013

And yer book learnin' about civics and how laws are made, and such!!!! We can't have none of that BOOK LEARNIN' around here!!!

OKNancy

(41,832 posts)
145. I'm just now understanding that part of the problem is many here have no idea
Fri May 3, 2013, 04:40 AM
May 2013

what International Workers day symbolizes.


MADem

(135,425 posts)
151. Hell, that's asking way too much.
Fri May 3, 2013, 03:08 PM
May 2013

We've got people here who think Obama could just wave a magic wand and do what he'd like--change equality laws, rewrite the Constitution, circumvent the Justice Department...

What is most amusing is that the average naturalized citizen knows more about how our government works than most "Born In The USA!! USA!!! USA!!!" citizens. It's embarrassing.

We really need civics classes back in the schools, as a separate module.

TheKentuckian

(25,011 posts)
157. The President is requested, not the President shall. His choice, not his duty.
Fri May 3, 2013, 05:22 PM
May 2013

"They started it" is a lackluster excuse, you better believe that!

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