Thank you to all those who spoke out.

[Bjorn Against]

The admins have sent a clear message that violent rhetoric is not welcome here.

[Fumesucker]

1. That's a pretty fucked up thread

It does appear that there were posters advocating treason.

[sylvi]

2. There is no one in that thread "promoting an armed insurrection" against the current government.

There is a lot of speculation about what right-wingers might or might not do, and how the military might react to an insurgency, but not a single DUer is calling for such against their fellow Democrats.

That is, in all likelihood, why your alerts are failing.

[nadinbrzezinski]

3. In all seriousness

Copy and paste to ATA.

Oh and in all seriousness, they are talking of this poll

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2013/04/24/1204442/-Republicans-struggle-as-immigration-reform-approaches

It is a valid nooz story, since 40% of republicans be,ieve it's needed.

[Niceguy1]

6. the poll is bs

44% of the 800 people polled said that.

Lets label an entire group over what 352 people think.

Only makes us look silly

[nadinbrzezinski]

7. I have not looked at the MoE in it

But that is how polls work...there is statistics involved.

It's silly to say something can't be when we don't get statistics.

[neverforget]

12. That's how statistics work. It's called a sample.

[Niceguy1]

28. no.

It is more accurately called propaganda.

[neverforget]

35. I am thoroughly convinced with your evidence.

Nice try.

[Divine Discontent]

139. LOL... exactly.

the story of the 44% of Repubs who feel this way, according to the poll, goes right along with the Repubs who say Obama was born in Kenya. So, if it's 44% of Repubs, that means about 20% of Americans are paranoid bastards!!*#$**!!

[billh58]

116. That's about what I would expect from

a Gungeoneer.

[Scootaloo]

72. 800 people is a suitable sample for a population of ~6 million (would need closer to 900, but eh)

There are three hundred and eleven million people in the United States. Assuming half of the adults in the nation lean Republican, 800 of their number is not going to produce accurate results by any regard. There's also questions of sampling methodology, questions asked (people give different answers to the same question if phrased or even inflected differently) and you've got something that has all the validity of an internet poll.

[DanTex]

97. The population size has nothing to do with the required sample size.

[HiPointDem]

135. yes it does.

[DanTex]

152. No, it really doesn't. Try reading a stats book.

[Blue_Tires]

121. 109% of statistics are pretty easy to skew if you're creative enough...

100% of the people I've polled already knew that...

[geek tragedy]

14. Yes, it's called a 'poll' or 'survey'

And yes, 44% of the crowd that thinks global warming is a hoax, creationism is real, and that only white people are harmed by racism live in a fantasy world where they get to shoot liberals.

[Niceguy1]

25. and polls

Like this are bullshit, whether they support our causes or the pubes.

It is like saying all muslims are terrorists

[geek tragedy]

27. These are the people that think Obama was born in Kenya, etc.

The Republican base is a rump group of crazy-ass white nationalists.

[Niceguy1]

37. so basically

You are a all muslims are terrorists kind of person.

We can win on ideas, we dont need to resort to bs like that. We can be better than the tea party.

[annabanana]

81. The Republican base is a rump group of crazy-ass white nationalists.

100% ACCURATE.

[RKP5637]

138. +1, n/t

[tblue]

39. It's just a way to show they're pissed.

Seriously, if you were asked in 2004 whether Bush and Cheney were Satan's Spawn, you might just say yes (I would), and from that people would conclude the country is batshit crazy. It was a dumb push poll. Was it even multiple choice? See what I'm saying?

[Niceguy1]

45. I agreI agree

My point is that the people who banter with glee each time one of these "polls" comes out make us look like idiots.

[geek tragedy]

53. Most Republicans believe global warming and evolution are hoaxes.

It's not us who look stupid--they ARE stupid. They ARE ignorant.

They WANTED a national default in 2011.

They cannot be reasoned with, only stigmatized.

[Niceguy1]

58. with facts

Not with propaganda and meaningless polls.

[geek tragedy]

60. The polls accurately reflect the deep stupidity of the Republican base.

That is what the Republican Party is--a hodge podg of bigotry, ignorance, and nihilism.

[Niceguy1]

64. the extremes

Of both parties contain such riff raff.

Hate can be corrosive and is a cancer on the soul....

[geek tragedy]

66. The extremes in the Democratic Party are powerless and marginalized.

The extremists own the Republican Party, where it's the moderates who are marginalized and powerless.

The Republican Party is dangerously irrational.

[truebluegreen]

71. I submit that the "extremes" of both parties

are not equivalent.

The "extreme" end of one party wants armed insurrection against a democratically-elected government, the "extreme" end of the other party wants universal health care.

But enjoy your stay.

[Niceguy1]

73. if an open minded

Progressive isnt welcome here than is doesn't speak well of this site, does it?

[truebluegreen]

74. Calling anyone in the very (overly!) center-left Democratic party "riff-raff"

is neither open-minded nor progressive.

But your concern is noted.

[Niceguy1]

83. I was I was referring to

Those who burn and destroy things.....

[truebluegreen]

91. Fair enough.

But just who would that be? As a progressive, you (and I) are on the left fringes of the Democratic Party.

The true "Left" barely exists in this country and certainly doesn't exist in the power structure of the party or the country, having been marginalized for decades. The lunatic fringe on the Right, OTOH, is in control of the opposition party.

I apologize for coming down hard on you; the "false equivalency" thing makes me crazy.

[billh58]

117. Maybe a mirror would

help with that anaolgy...

[DonCoquixote]

147. while not all GOP said yes

The fact that more than 40 percent did is, in and of itself, a warning. As two people described as "losers" in Boston showed, it does not take too many people to shed blood.

[premium]

4. I just went and read that thread in the gungeon

and I couldn't find anyone advocating taking up arms against the govt., I saw alot of what if and this is what might happen, but no let's take up arms against the govt..

All I can say to your thread is: FAIL, FAIL, AND, MASSIVE FAIL.

[geek tragedy]

13. No it was "if the gun grabbers ever try to take our guns. . . ." Turner diaries style fantasies

of gun owners leading a violent revolution against the evil effeminate liberals who don't even own firearms.

[Turborama]

145. This thread is pure WIN

For reasons you may not appreciate.

[premium]

151. I not stupid,

you're rejoicing that some pro gun members have been banned. Am I supposed to feel sorrow?
I really don't care either way.

[actslikeacarrot]

5. "violent rhetoric"

I didn't see ANY of that in the thread. Maybe post an example?

[Eleanors38]

8. Don't buy it. There was a similar thread today concerning this topic...

and the only folks who were into a civil war seemed to be several "bring it" gun controller/banners. Can you find that thread?

I think you are trying to intimidate the admunistrators into dumping the Gungeon with a trumped-up charge of disloyalty or something or other out there...

[Pholus]

142. So why exactly would a "bring it" response even come up again?

You really shouldn't make it so easy.

[Lizzie Poppet]

9. Bull. Fucking. Shit.

No one is "promoting armed insurrection" in that thread, and you are either deliberately misrepresenting what was actually said or are staggeringly deficient in basic reading comprehension. Whether you stay or go, I couldn't care less, but at least have the basic integrity to delete this slanderous post.

[neverforget]

15. Then alert on it. Slanderous?

[neverforget]

19. A little touchy? Did the OP hurt your guns feelings?

As I said, alert on it then and quit complaining.

[Lizzie Poppet]

23. Tell you what:

When you get to tell me how to handle stuff (particularly being misrepresented by hysterical whiners because they got their ass handed to them in another thread), I'll make sure to tell you. Until then, well...I think even you can probably fill in the rest.

Oh, and howdy, neighbor...

[neverforget]

31. And to think I said that you should alert on the OP and it got you all riled up

I'm not telling you what to do but suggested what you could do. Big difference.

[Lizzie Poppet]

34. Yay! Bullshit amateur psychoanalysis!

Gee, that was unexpected...

[neverforget]

36. Why the anger?

Settle down. This is a discussion board for God's sake.

[Lizzie Poppet]

42. Clue: doubling down on a fuck-up doesn't make it go away.

Seriously, lose the silly-ass amateur psychoanalysis. You're way, way off-target.

[Hoyt]

101. Your guns and such anger don't mix well.

[neverforget]

102. What fuck up? You're the one upset, not me. nt.

[sylvi]

26. Did you give the same advice to the OP?

Or yourself, for that matter?

[CreekDog]

106. why are your friends in that group (those you agree with) always getting PPR'd for their posts?

one after another.

are you getting the message?

[morningfog]

124. That gun nut is blocked from this thread because they couldn't control themselves.

Glad that there is regular house cleaning, but some of these cobwebs are in the dustiest of corners. THere are some twisted and dangerous folks lurking in the corners. I don't blame the admins from not wanting anything to do with them.

[Blecht]

10. Why read that crap?

You don't need to leave DU. Learn how to use the Ignore function.

[freshwest]

38. Or Trash this forum. RK & BA was the first one I trashed, after begging the Admins for it.

That is a small part of DU.

[morningfog]

129. But the gungeon posters don't stay in their cave.

[freshwest]

140. My Ignore list is a black hole full of trolls, wailing and gnashing their teeth.

I got a life and they ain't in it. Honestly, I don't have the time. They can kiss off.

[geek tragedy]

11. They didn't xplicitly call for violence, but it was pretty clear

which side they would be rooting for if their fellow gun enthusiasts on the right rebelled.

With a few notable exceptions, they're not Democrats, so don't feed them.

The Gungeon exists to keep the rest of the site a place where Democrats talk to each other.

[Eleanors38]

93. Let's see the full quote, in context.

[geek tragedy]

95. quotes in context:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1172&pid=121699

What makes you think all (or even most) of the professionals would fight for the government?

You do realize that today's US military has a very pronounced rightward lean and is pretty strongly pro-gun-rights, don't you? In the event of a genuinely widespread insurrection, a large portion (probably a slight majority) would end up on the insurrectionist side. Bank on it.

So, this person is explicitly stating that such an uprising would be of rightwing gun nuts--the Ted Nugent crowd. And then they say the military would join up with the Ted Nugent crowd.

Someone asks the logical question about this smear of the military as rightwing nutjobs waiting to commit treason.

Our military is full of traitors?

Good to know.

I thought it was full of professionals that swore to follow the orders of the civilian commander in chief.

Maybe we need to rethink who we let into our military.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1172&pid=121741

The Gungeon regulars respond to this person--directly-- by letting them know that--in a scenario explicitly described as rightwing extremists engaging in armed rebellion--that the rightwing armed rebels would be the ones in the right, and that the military would have to side with them if they respected the constitution.

If we come to the point where there is widespread insurrection in this country

conditions will probably exist that convince the military that those who govern us are the traitors.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1172&pid=121751

Members of the military are sworn firstly ...

... to " ...support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic" and -- swearing to obey the orders of the CinC and the officers appointed over me follows the duty to support and defend the Constitution and "bear true faith and allegiance to the same".

If those oaths were ever in conflict, I would leave it to your imagination as to which they would chose.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1172&pid=121753

You take the Oath by swearing to uphold and defend the Constitution of the United States against *ALL ENEMIES*, BOTH FOREIGN AND *DOMESTIC*.

See, we have that little law that the Military CAN NOT BE USED AGAINST U.S. CITIZENS, therefore, ANY President who would order troops to move against citizens would be considered a Domestic Enemy. Troops also have the right to disregard any ordered deemed illegal, and this would be a BIG ONE!

Perhaps it's YOU who needs to "rethink" a few things, starting with your very poorly, misguided view of our Military and our Soldiers, those brave men and women who VOLUNTEERED to protect our Constitution and our Country. The only TRAITORS would be the president who gave that order, and the troops who followed it. After that, you can think about other things you may need to "rethink". If you get stumped, let me know and maybe I can help you out some more.....

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1172&pid=121834

Again, these are all responses to a scenario where rightwing extremists engage in armed and violent rebellion.

The Gungeon response? Wolverines!!!!!!!

[dkf]

16. Acts of terrorism? Seriously?

If you really think that don't you need to report it to the FBI or something?

[kestrel91316]

17. I note with interest two people in this thread

who either don't think that thread is a problem, or don't like it being attacked.

Gosh, I am shocked. You people are transparent and predictable.

[Lizzie Poppet]

20. pot.kettle.black

You think you're any less predictable? Priceless.

Here's the deal: yes, people get pissed off when some (ban-worthy but goddamn accurate terminology deleted) talks complete and utter bullshit about them. When their actual statements are grossly and slanderously misrepresented. When they are falsely accused of saying things that anyone with even a rudimentary grasp of the fucking English language realizes they didn't say. Deal.

[morningfog]

125. Tick tock. Tick tock.

[sylvi]

21. Note it again, then.

There is not one post in that thread sympathizing with right winger violence or implying that it should occur from any quarter under our current state of affairs.

There is some theorizing on the broader question of whether armed resistance is justified as a response to wholesale usurpation of the constitution, but that is not directed towards Democrats or our current government either.

[Electric Monk]

24. O rly?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1172121683#post54

[sylvi]

29. Yes, rly.

That post was in response to the statement, "There is no right to armed revolution", not having anything specifically to do with gun control.

Context is key.

[morningfog]

132. Bye, gun humping paranoid nut fuck troll.

[Turborama]

143. Nuked by an owner of this site without needing a hidden post

MIRT and the owners are doing a great job and each gun troll should be getting worried if they'll be next.

The OP of this thread has done DU a great service, too.

[Electric Monk]

150. Until next time. Glib sociopaths have no compunctions about registering over and over and over. nt

[Lizzie Poppet]

30. Yes, rly.

Way to ignore the context...you know: the comment that was a response to:

"There is no right to armed revolution. Period."

[Electric Monk]

33. re: context, earlier in the thread he's talking about a gun fight between RKBAers and gun control

advocates. Context is key, indeed.

[Lizzie Poppet]

41. Yes, I know...I'm a participant in that thread and have read it all.

I stand by my assertion: there was no advocacy of armed revolution made, only discussion of various aspects thereof. There's a difference, and it's a damned important one. The OP is, not to put too fine a point on it, full of shit.

[sylvi]

44. Take a look at the first post in that sub-thread by Bjorn Against

It makes the general statement, "Those who would engage in armed conflict or support it are the worst form of human scum". That is what the posts which follow it proceed from. None of them mention gun laws.

[geek tragedy]

55. "Usurpation of the constitution" known to that crowd as "Canadian style gun

regulations."

People who contemplate seeking the violent overthrow of the federal government over gun control are McVeighesque nutjobs.

[sylvi]

59. Of course they are.

I don't think you'll find a post from me disagreeing with that.

[geek tragedy]

61. O rly

I suspect that if there were a wholesale federal effort to confiscate guns, you would once again see armed Americans standing up for their rights and not accepting servitude.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1172&pid=121747

... a government who forcibly denies the civil rights of its citizens has in effect already declared war on them.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1172&pid=121788

[sylvi]

67. "wholesale federal effort to confiscate guns"

We're not talking about that, are we? I thought we were talking about background checks

Perhaps you missed these two more recent ones. Or not.

[url]http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1172&pid=121754[/url]

[ur]http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1172&pid=121806[/url]

People resisting having their guns confiscated, by force even, and the "violent overthrow of the federal government" are two different animals.

[Eleanors38]

94. What's "the problem?" Specific quotes. In context. nt

[Demonaut]

22. so.....you're offended and taking your ball home.....that solves everything

as a veteran I get pissed at the few who bitch about those who decided to serve...it happens fairly frequently

you didn't need a speech

[DevonRex]

48. As a veteran I am FUCKING pissed they said the military would be traitors.

And join the motherfucking asswipe teabaggers.

[geek tragedy]

65. That's not what they were saying.

They were saying that the federal troops would be on THEIR side in a civil war over guns.

But they're Democrats, despite the fact they don't talk about any issue other than guns, an issue on which they're aligned with Cruz/Paul, right down to the "of course I support expanded background checks, so long as they're not up for a vote."

[Turborama]

141. Some trolls have been smoked out from under their bridge

No complaints here.

[AverageJoe90]

32. I know how you feel.

I've felt the exact same way with certain amongst the climate doomers, and some of the Obama bashers. They are just as fucking irrational as the Gungeoneers, and are about as nasty with you when you disagree with them, so much so that I myself have considered leaving DU on occasion.

But don't give up on us yet, We are a very large community, and people like the gun fanatics, and climate doomers, and Obama bashers, are quite a small minority, and they don't represent most of US, let alone most Democrats(especially the first two, but the third as well). I hope you'll come back sometime.....

[freshwest]

40. +1

[CreekDog]

107. "climate doomers" AverageJoe90? give it a rest.

[AverageJoe90]

108. Aww...so nice to see I'm recognized.

[CreekDog]

110. I didn't recognize you, just your signature idiocy

[AverageJoe90]

111. It's nice to know that I'm loved, CD.

Now, if you don't mind....shoo.

[VOX]

114. Thank you, Joe.

No jokes, no sarcasm, just...thank you.

[Half-Century Man]

43. Over reaction

I think you might be over reacting, while some of the posts were confrontational; I didn't see any threats, just speculations which disagreed with your speculations.
Armed conflicts are sometimes unavoidable. I really hate to say that, but it's the simple truth. It's also true that people fight for some very stupid reasons. Such as hundreds of years of war over who were real christians.
That being said, the threat of firearm confiscation was enough for us to start one war already. The American Revolution began when the British attempted to seize the armory in Concord Ma. And a large number of military members, veterans, and civilians identify with the common legends from the Revolutionary period. An actual attempt to seize firearms on a large scale, will most probably, be met with fierce resistance.
Not everyone who defends firearm ownership is a "gun nut", not everyone who advocates gun control wants to strip everyone of their guns.

[holdencaufield]

46. "but until DU takes a stand against violent rhetoric I can no longer participate in this site."

Don't tease me

[Robb]

99. With which post my irony meter pegged.

I'll miss you most of all.

[morningfog]

133. Dearly departed. I dance.

[DevonRex]

47. Thank you Bjorn. Some of that is disturbing.

People pretending they have an obligation to revolt. Puke.

[graham4anything]

49. +1=Yes, I have noticed that it seems to be getting much,much more violent and foreboding

I do believe the sole reason for wanting guns by the gun fans and NRA has now boiled down to overthrowing the government because of the hate for President Obama and Bill and Hillary Clinton.

Because every other reason for guns have been thoroughly debunked.

And lately, the biggest oddity I have found is in the reasons for not wanting a registry or for guns to be traced.

If I ask 100 random people if they had an alarm, would they publicize that fact, 100 would say Yes, they want a robber to know that an alarm will sound the police will be called and the hope is the perps would go to somewhere else, so they have a BIGGGGGG sign, that glows in the dark so all can see, and they keep the outdoor lights on.

Now, to a person, every single gun person does NOT want to have a sign that says
BEWARE IF YOU ENTER, GUN IN HOUSE
now, why would 100% of people advertise an alarm, and ZERO want to let anyone know there is a gun?

That makes ZERO sense.

The object is to get the perp to not come in, isn't it?

Ah, but there is the rub.
No, that is not the reason at all, is it?

NOPE.

So I do believe now the reason is, like the people who hoarded guns at Waco, they want to overthrow law enforcement and either state/local/or federal government.

And whether it is professionally run, or being instigated by say the media, both msm and alt-media, or even by the Bush family, that is the reason for guns.

Totally insane.

[actslikeacarrot]

51. I am STILL not seeing the calls for an armed revolution. n/t

[graham4anything]

52. It reminds me-why are those that defend the NRA/Guns now all seem to have few posts?

and the vast majority of those posts defend guns? (not to anyone specific).

I am a numbers person and have started to wonder-
What are the statistical odds of that?

Because a new person signing up, why would they gravitate to a democratic site in the first place, and then support guns?

What makes a new poster on any board sign up to be against doing things about guns?

(not referring to anyone specific, just got me thinking, as said, I am a numbers person and have loved stats, long before Nate Silver was born.)

Does someone go, HEY, I love the NRA and guns, first thing I gotta do is sign up at a democratic site.

never mind. Just wonderin'.

[geek tragedy]

57. Answer is that the people who come to DU

only to express agreement with the Republican base aren't democrats.

These defenders of liberty have jack shit to say about marriage equality, a woman's right to choose, infringements on privacy by the state and corporations, energy, environment, labor, social security, foreign policy, terrorism, health care, etc.

All they want to talk about is guns.

Not difficult to figure out.

[actslikeacarrot]

63. Yes, wondering can be fun. I like to wonder as well.

I usually just wonder (not aimed at anyone specific) why it is, that, the most anti ANY gun owners are usually the most authoritarian and worshipers of power on this board. You know, not aimed at ANYONE in particular. It is just a recurring theme I have noticed.

And as to your question about low post counts....well I have wondered about that as well. Does every 1 post on here raise your credibility a certain percentage? Or is it every 50? 100? At what number are you allowed to have an opinion on anything? Maybe, just maybe, a high post count might not be something to shoot for if it's just a lot of noise, like static on a radio. It is fun to wonder about things...especially on a crisp Friday morning.

[graham4anything]

68. FDR and LBJ,JFK,RFK,Teddy and Lincoln were authoritarians, so is the nut job at the NRA

I think you forget authoritarians are leaders.

All teachers are authoritarians.
All bartenders are authoritarians.
All chefs are authoritarians.
All librarians are authoritarians.
Cliff Claven is authoritarian.

I think some don't actually know the meaning of authoritarians and use it as a code word
wrongly, to sleight of hand a sinister(ooooooohhhhhhhh) meaning.
Code words, then used as shields. are you sure they aren't also totalitariansists and socialists and fascists and communists?

I know, in real life, Zimmy was an authoritarian, who point blank drew his gun and shot and killed a man to get a pumped up thrill kill notch on his belt.

what's that moving under the bed....BOOOOOOOO!
no it's in the back of the closet.......BOOOOOOOOOOO!
no, it's up on the ceiling.........BOOOOOOOOOOOOO!(as the gun slinger shoots at the lightbulb and it splatters broken glass all over the bed)

Crisp? I got my airconditioner on as I wait for 5am and the gym opening up.
authoritarian is the head of the club who don't keep it open 24 hours.
One thing we can agree on-in NY/NJ area, it is early Friday morning.(In California it is barely just Friday).

[actslikeacarrot]

69. *shhhhsshshhhhhhhhhhhhhhshshhhhhhhhhhhh* Man this station NEVER comes in....

....just more static. Oh well another post my credibility has gone up by .346%!!!!!

[Inkfreak]

86. Ya made this low-count poster lol. n/t

[billh58]

118. Gungeon recruits, NRA "volunteers,"

zombies, and sock puppets. So easy to spot, but so hard to eradicate.

[Eleanors38]

78. There aren't any. This is manufactured and coordinated.

[dkf]

54. It's insane to think you've debunked every reason for having a gun other than overthrow.

Personally I think that's a crazy statement.

[graham4anything]

50. BTW-he violent rhetoric here doesn't only exist in the gungeon.The burn it downs are everywhere

There have now been deniers of every recent event and it seemed like many supporters of that corrupt cop in California who went on a spree, and many believing that the two killers in Boston were framed. Seems like watching a movie and cheering the villians.
(and there is another just today cheering a 60s fugitive and denying there were any crimes committed by her, ).

[sylvi]

56. I think this thread

Last edited Fri May 3, 2013, 03:10 AM - Edit history (1)

and the temper tantrum OP it spun off in General Discussion illustrates why there is to be little hope of reasoned discourse with the True Believer faction of the gun control crowd. There's too much proclivity towards hair-trigger (no pun intended) leaps to mischaracterize and demonize anyone who takes issue with them. Even in the face of repeated promotion of the background checks law in this forum over the past months and beyond, they still advance the notion that we're against it and would even condone violence to prevent it. That kind of disconnect has to be intentional.

on edit: This post was meant to go in GC&RKBA, but it works just as well here.

[Turborama]

122. The PPRs are evidence of the contrary. n/t

[mwrguy]

62. Gun owners are wanking off to fantasies of violent insurrection?

So what else is new?

[DonCoquixote]

70. I am for peace

but admittedly, not because of any virtue. Violence is like chemotherapy; it may be needed if it is a choice between certain death and life, and even then, it has every bit a chance to be as bad as a disease. Every revolution results in a lot of innocent people dead while the glory hounds on all sides congratulate themselves,stirring up more violence that becomes the end, not the means.

I understand there are some that truly believe that the United States, indeed, the world order, must be destroyed utterly before reforms can happen. I am not going to debate that here, but I will quote Voltaire when he said that "I may disagree with what you say, but defend to the death your right to say it." However, when you talk of killing, then you turn me off, because frankly, left wing, right wing, it all becomes a blood fest in the end. There is also the practical matter that as the oceans rise, the heat increases, we will need cooperation to survive, which means we need to make new myths and paradigms rather than the same old war stories.

And while I can see DU supporting speech, I do think they can condemn killing people. Let us call a thing a thing, war is killing people, once you strip all that poetry off it. I understand that civility here on DU has gone down the toilet; but frankly, we need to make some affirmative steps towards civility, and yes, that includes telling certain people in the Gungeon that they do NOT have the right to intimidate people.

[Eleanors38]

79. Where is the "intimidation" you speak of?

[DonCoquixote]

87. talking about killing people

is not intimidating?

[Eleanors38]

92. No one's doing any killing here, or threatening anyone here.

[DonCoquixote]

146. so revolution will happen

over tea and cookies?

[RandiFan1290]

75. DU jumped the shark long ago.

This place is nothing more than a clown show nowadays.

[Logical]

89. LOL, yet you are spending time here? You can leave also! n-t

[CreekDog]

109. Send in the clowns...

...they're already here...

[Trajan]

76. Wow ... Gungeonites abound in this thread ....

It's a swarm ....

I am always fascinated when the they emerge from their hive to go about their stinging in GD ....

Duly noted ...

[Eleanors38]

80. Well, the stuff was posted in GD by a controller/banner.

[morningfog]

136. And polluted by the (now) banned, lol.

[morningfog]

134. Well two have been banned and one locked out, so far. LOL.

[ileus]

82. are you readijg the same thread you posted the link to?

I just scrolled down and didn't see anything like that or even a hidden post.

Looks like most are calling the "poll" BS

[randome]

84. So a poll conducted outside DU that, so far as you know, has no DU responders to it...

...makes you want to leave DU?

[boston bean]

85. I was on one of the juries for that thread

and I was in the minority, I voted to hide it.

Yes a poster was making arguments that claimed violent insurrection was basically unavoidable, and he could understand the reasoning for it.

I was disappointed with the other jurors, except the one who also took the time to read the thread, and make the determination, that indeed they were defending the idea of violent insurrection against gun control advocates.

[CreekDog]

112. thanks for voting that way and the OP was PPR'd by the way

in other words, the jury was wrong.

you were right.

[boston bean]

113. I use to have that group trashed then thought better of it.

A lot of those posters in there are also quite hostile to feminists.

hmmmm... what a suprise!

I take every opportunity I have to hide posts of gun nuttery.

[In_The_Wind]

88. Peace

[Logical]

90. Ass. Door. You get it! n-t

[DanTex]

96. The gungeon is just a branch of FreeRepublic that happens to be hosted on DU. Just ignore it.

I'm not sure why the admins decided to grant an exception to the "DU is for Democrats" rule when it comes to guns (after, all, there are also some "Democrats" who, for example, oppose gay marriage, but they don't get a group to post their right-wing propaganda), but it is what it is. Now that there is a progressive gun group, there is no need to go in the gungeon anymore.

[RainDog]

105. I have never read a post in the gungeon

I excuse myself from juries related to it.

and I have the group hidden.

I don't post, in general, on any gun thread topic here.

Until I see someone in GD complaining about it - that part of DU just doesn't exist for me, and I like that my DU experience doesn't include the gungeon.

[billh58]

119. +1000 n/t

[morningfog]

128. You are right. But the cover they are given there seeps into GD and other fora. Close the Gungeon!

Worthless cesspool.

[CokeMachine]

98. I'll miss you!!

Maybe you missed the thread where one of your buddies posted this.

There won't be any progress until we confiscate all guns and put all gun owners in re-education camps.

Here, let me hold the door for you.

[Turborama]

100. Glad to see you're back n/t

[Logical]

103. Another dramatic departure that never happened. Why do people do this??? n-t

[Bjorn Against]

104. There were a few departures that did happen

When it became clear that the issue had been dealt with I no longer had any reason to leave.

[CokeMachine]

115. Cool story Bro!! I didn't even have a chance to miss you.

Maybe next time -- welcome back!!

[geek tragedy]

120. No, it's true. There was some addition by subtraction over the night

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=profile&uid=171399

[Logical]

123. Next time drop the drama. n-t

[Bjorn Against]

126. I really don't care what you think about how I fight back against right-wing trolls

[Logical]

130. LOL, you now think the whole DU begged skinner to PPR the poster to keep you here! n-t

[Bjorn Against]

137. I never said anything remotely like that

I never said anything about the whole of DU doing anything for me, but I am pretty sure not too many people here will miss the three trolls who were banned.

[morningfog]

127. Holdencaufield banned! Great news.

[Electric Monk]

148. About fucking time, again. See ya next incarnation, Oleg. nt

[Rosa Luxemburg]

131. What did I miss?

[Electric Monk]

149. Here's the link that was in the OP

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1172&pid=121683

[Th1onein]

144. Oh Good Grief....

Sigh.