Incoming NRA President Calls Civil War The ‘War Of Northern Aggression’

[Blue_Tires]

In a 2012 speech to the New York Rifle & Pistol Association, where he also refers to President Obama as a “fake president” and calls Attorney General Eric Holder “rabidly unAmerican,” incoming National Rifle Association President Jim Porter applied an odd label to the war that ended slavery in the United States and put down the single greatest act of treason in our nation’s history:

The NRA was started, 1871, right here in New York state. It was started by some Yankee generals who didn’t like the way my southern boys had the ability to shoot in what we call the “War of Northern Aggression.” Now, y’all might call it the Civil War, but we call it the War of Northern Aggression down south.

But that was the very reason that they started the National Rifle Association, was to teach and train the civilian in the use of the standard military firearm. And I am one who still feels very strongly that that is one of our most greatest charges that we can have today, is to train the civilian in the use of the standard military firearm, so that when they have to fight for their country they’re ready to do it. Also, when they’re ready to fight tyranny, they’re ready to do it. Also, when they’re ready to fight tyranny, they have the wherewithal and the weapons to do it.

http://thinkprogress.org/justice/2013/05/03/1958961/incoming-nra-president-calls-civil-war-the-war-of-northern-aggression/


1. So the incoming NRA president has ZERO idea about the history behind the original formation of his organization...

2. Is this guy from nineteen fuckin' fifty-five or something? He's just making southerners look bad...

[tridim]

1. I always assumed "racist idiot" is a top-5 requirement for any NRA president candidate. nt

[geek tragedy]

2. From a semi-seditionist organization like the NRA, fully expected.

"I'm the NRA, and I vote."--Timothy McVeigh.

[graham4anything]

3. He IS the NRA and the gun fans nationwide. The poster person. It is Jim Porter. He is all of them.

If one is pro gun, one is Jim Porter.
He is the person the gun lovers hired.

to overthrow the government that is in office now.

Can the gunnies be any more obvious?

But then, there is no other soundbyte that has not been debunked.
They proved it when they said they did not want anyone to know they have a gun
yet anyone with an alarm advertises the facts 24/7/365

[bullwinkle428]

4. So along with the President, he singles out one other prominent member

of the administration who happens to be "of color".

[geek tragedy]

5. "The New Nra President Fantasizes About "whipping" Anti-gun Opponents"

http://gawker.com/the-new-nra-president-fantasizes-about-whipping-anti-487554943

[nadinbrzezinski]

6. Those silent whistles are loud and clear

So the NRA is now a southern regional organization, like the GOP is becoming.

[Iggo]

7. Aaaaaaand, there it is.

[naaman fletcher]

8. The NRA website

Repeats his claim about the reason for its founding. Is that not true? I can't find a debunking of that.

[yellowcanine]

10. I would not be surprised if the NRA website lied about its founding.

Their website, like most, is going to promote the current meme, whatever it is.

[hack89]

21. General Ambrose Burnside of civil war fame was the first NRA president.

General George Wood Wingate, a Union general from New York, was one of its founders.

[Blue_Tires]

12. I remember when I lived in Providence years ago I did some reading up

on Ambrose Burnside, since I walked through the park that bore his name every day...

As I remember it, Burnside was primarily concerned with the terribly poor knowledge returning union veterans had about long-term rifle maintenance (RI at the time was still a very heavy farming/hunting community), substandard production tolerances that led to wildly varying weapon accuracy, etc...So he was much more of a "better standards-education-maintenance" type....

Maybe that's more about Burnside's personal mission as president rather than the organization itself, but given how batshit insane the NRA has gotten in the thirty years since going hardcore political, it wouldn't surprise me at all if they whitewashed their history to fit more in line with their current 'mindset'

[Kingofalldems]

9. Yeah, but the NRA is bipartisan

so say the gun fanciers.

[hlthe2b]

11. Where are our DU NRA apologists to defend their choice of leadership?

Just as one can't support the Nazis without becoming one yourself, I find it hard to imagine how one defends such a racist organization... Truly.

[AnotherMcIntosh]

13. "Where are our DU NRA apologists ..." Obviously, none exist except in your imagination.

Come back to reality. Walk towards the light. Give up with the name calling. It will do you some good.

[hlthe2b]

15. There most certainly are NRA members and defenders here.

No name calling, just the truth--the very ugly truth. I hope most of our TRUE progressive RKBA members have divorced themselves from this despicable organization... If they have not and are sending money to this ugly group, then in my personal opinion they will have a lot to answer for. My opinion, but I doubt I am in the minority here.

NRA is nothing more or less than an out-of-control gun lobby, whose methods and tactics are contemptible. They are not now (and have not been for a very long time) an organization that gives a damn about its actual membership, except where they can be exploited for more gun profits.

[AnotherMcIntosh]

25. As false as the McCarthy tactic of calling opponents "communists or communist sympathizers."

[hlthe2b]

27. Yes, your retort certainly is.

[AnotherMcIntosh]

32. If facts supported your position, you wouldn't have to resort to name calling as a diversion.

[hlthe2b]

39. One need only peruse the Gungeon to know your assertion to be false.

Not to worry with yet another nonsensical retort... all here know better than to expect facts to influence NRA supporters.

[AnotherMcIntosh]

50. Actually, there are no "DU NRA apologists."

[hlthe2b]

56. LOLOL

[DanTex]

66. ...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=118x480165

[morningfog]

80. Well that is just wrong. There are even proud NRA members

On DU. There are many more members who try to (not so) subtly hide. And there are those who are against any and all reform efforts. Which one are you?

[Paladin]

45. There have been Gungeon threads where DU Gun Enthusiasts proclaimed their NRA memberships.

And that's a fact.

[AnotherMcIntosh]

48. Actually, there are no "DU NRA apologists."

There are no communists or communist sympathizers around the corner, either.

[Paladin]

53. If you have to resort to commie references, you've lost. (nt)

[AnotherMcIntosh]

55. If you have to engage in name calling, and McCarthy did that, you've lost.

[DanTex]

65. ...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=118x480165

[geek tragedy]

75. We have plenty of NRA members here. They belong to an enemy organization.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1172&pid=59168

GreenStormCloud (10,103 posts)
8. Several, including myself, have posted that we are members.

Sadly, there are no left-of-center guns-rights organizations that are also effective. In the fight for gun-rights the NRA is the 500-lbs gorilla.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1172&pid=59450

oneshooter (5,886 posts)
43. Yes I am. Certified Rifle instructor,Certified pistol instructor, Range officer,

Certified range Safety officer, Advanced rifle instructor, CHL instructor. All but the last through the NRA instructor program.

Before you say a word Hoyt, Tell me where else I can get a nationally, and internationally, accepted certification.

You can't.

Till you can, then you have nothing of interest to say about the programs.

Oneshooter
Armed and Livin in Texas

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1172&pid=59201

spin (14,685 posts)
28. I've belonged to the NRA for probably 40 years. ...

I feel the organization does a lot of good for the shooting sports and offers excellent training courses on safety for beginning shooters and hunters as well as training programs for our police.

I also support the organizations efforts to pass victim rights laws such as Castle Doctrine and "Shall Issue" concealed carry.

While the NRA does support pro-gun Democrats it also uses its political wing the NRA-ILA to unfairly attack some Democrats such as President Obama. Obama has overall been very favorable to Second Amendment rights and has received an "F" rating from the Brady Campaign.

The NRA-ILA is supported by donations and only a very small portion of my yearly NRA dues goes to support this organization. Therefore I simply refuse to donate any of my money to the NRA-ILA and all their literature goes into my waste basket unopened.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1172&pid=62531

holdencaufield (2,927 posts)
64. I am a Member of the NRA

Also -- because I shoot in another country -- a member of Sporting Shooters Association Australia and Single Action Shooters Australia

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1172&pid=59419

Travis_0004 (887 posts)
42. Lifetime member

Do realize that by law, NRA dues can not go to the NRA-ILA(Institute for legislative action), or the PVF (political Victory fund). Dues go to shooting education, training, and the magazine subscription.

I don't agree with a lot of what the NRA does, but they do help fight for gun rights which I believe in.

If you are pro gun, and don't want to join the NRA, the Second Amendment foundation is a great membership to join.

[LanternWaste]

68. Nope. I've seen it too.

" As false as the..."


Nope. I've seen it too. Of course, I imagine you're compelled to believe otherwise, yet should the search for truth decide to nest in your heart, the search function will reveal both the obvious and clever defense of the NRA, the implication of defense, the actual defense, and the left-handed defense of that esteemed, and most magnanimous organization.

[billh58]

16. Ah, there

you are...

[AnotherMcIntosh]

24. As false as the McCarthy tactic of calling opponents "communists or communist sympathizers."

[billh58]

37. Not exactly,

because if it walks like a duck, and talks like a duck -- well, you know how it goes. You no longer carry the card, but you still agree with the NRA's policies and political goals. Got it.

But I totally understand why you would want to appear to distance yourself from an organization that is rapidly self-destructing. Really, I do.

[AnotherMcIntosh]

51. Actually, there are no "DU NRA apologists."

[billh58]

62. When you advocate

Last edited Fri May 3, 2013, 02:02 PM - Edit history (1)

for exactly the same positions as the NRA: no universal background checks, no registration, public carry by anyone, the premise that the Second Amendment includes the right to take up arms against our government, etc., etc. -- then you ARE a "cold dead hands" NRA apologist and supporter.

There is very little difference between the Gungeoneers and the NRA when it comes to the sanctity of RKBA anywhere, anytime, by anyone. The "but I am really on your side" bullshit is so transparent that I could read War and Peace through it.

Now pull the other one, Bubba.

[AnotherMcIntosh]

72. When you say that I've advocated that, you're a liar.

[billh58]

74. Now, now

put your gun away partner...

[DanTex]

64. Depends what you mean by "no"...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=118x480165

[Blue_Tires]

96. There are a lot less now...

But there were a whole bunch of them in the old DU

[Ikonoklast]

19. When a rock is thrown into a pack of dogs, the one that yelps is the one that got hit.

[AnotherMcIntosh]

26. As false as the McCarthy tactic of calling opponents "communists or communist sympathizers."

[Ikonoklast]

33. Yip, yip yip!

Stop carrying the water, your shoulders will thank you later in life.

[TheCowsCameHome]

22. We found one, anyone else out there?

[AnotherMcIntosh]

23. As false as the McCarthy tactic of calling opponents "communists or communist sympathizers."

[TheCowsCameHome]

28. No doubt about this one - A LaPierre sympathizer.

[AnotherMcIntosh]

31. If facts supported your position, you wouldn't have to resort to name calling as a diversion.

[TheCowsCameHome]

35. How about not copying and pasting multiple responses?

Would that help?

[billh58]

43. But those cut and pastes

are so profound. Why waste anymore thought on this than is absolutely necessary to deflect the truth?

[DanTex]

29. Oh really?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=118x480165

[TheCowsCameHome]

38. There you go again -

You and your damn facts..........

[DanTex]

47. But, but, but McCarthyism!!!!

[Lizzie Poppet]

17. Actually, a lot of us "gun fanciers" say just the opposite.

As I've mentioned previously, I gave up my lifetime membership in the NRA (a childhood gift from my much-loved late grandfather, so no easy decision) many years ago because I saw them as not only failing to represent my views on gun control, but also because they have become a de facto wing of the Republican Party.

I don't think I'm unusual among gun owners in being no fan of teh NRA, either. Hell, there are tens of millions of gun owners in this country...and only about 4 million NRA members.

[Hoyt]

36. But, there are millions of free-riders (too cheap to pay dues?) who benefit from NRA gun propaganda.

[Lizzie Poppet]

44. Or are harmed by it.

I don't dispute that there are plenty who agree with the NRA's actions but don't pony up the membership fees, but on the matter of a lot of reasonable gun control proposals, polling seems to indicate that the majority of gun owners disagree with the NRA. As I've said previously, I think the NRA's stranglehold on "voice share" on one side of this debate needs to be broken.

[hack89]

20. No we don't - there is a reason so few gun owners are NRA members. nt

[hobbit709]

14. "northern aggression"-WTF? Who started the shooting in 1861?

[hack89]

18. A Union general from Rhode Island was the first president of the NRA

Ambrose Everett Burnside (May 23, 1824 – September 13, 1881) was an American soldier, railroad executive, inventor, industrialist, and politician from Rhode Island, serving as governor and a U.S. Senator.

After his resignation, Burnside was employed in numerous railroad and industrial directorships, including the presidencies of the Cincinnati and Martinsville Railroad, the Indianapolis and Vincennes Railroad, the Cairo and Vincennes Railroad, and the Rhode Island Locomotive Works. He was elected to three one-year terms as Governor of Rhode Island (May 1866 to May 1869). He was commander-in-chief of the Grand Army of the Republic veterans' association from 1871 to 1872.[23] At its inception in 1871, the National Rifle Association chose him as its first president.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ambrose_Burnside

[Hoyt]

41. Today, the Nugents, Norquists, LaPierres, Boltons, Norths, gun profiteers, etc., have taken over.

[hack89]

42. Tell me something I don't already know. nt

[Hoyt]

57. Who cares how they started. It's like saying Lincoln freed the slaves, so Republicans aren't racists

Things are different nowadays, and neither the NRA or Republicans are returning to more respectable times.





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[hack89]

60. I agree nt

[baldguy]

46. And Lincoln was a Republican.

A lot has changed in 140 yrs. For the GOP and your NRA, not for the better.

[hack89]

52. The NRA went to shit years ago. There is a good reason I am not a member. nt

[baldguy]

59. Why should it matter that Burnside was a Union general, then?

[hack89]

63. Because the history of the NRA was part of what the OP was discussing?

The NRA was started, 1871, right here in New York state. It was started by some Yankee generals who didn’t like the way my southern boys had the ability to shoot in what we call the “War of Northern Aggression.

So the incoming NRA president has ZERO idea about the history ...

I thought it would be useful to the discussion if everyone knew a little bit about that history.

[baldguy]

69. RW extremists use that sort of info to con normal people to believe that they're really not so bad.

It just another form of their standard propaganda. "You see, the NRA is just like you! They're not really the racist, fascist terrorists that they appear to be. That's just a LIE-berul talking point."

See, if you keep using the same lies & propaganda that the RW extremist gun weirdos use, people might get the wrong idea about you.

[hack89]

70. So a 140 year old history lesson is RW extremism?

I know it has been a frustrating couple of weeks but damn - you reek of desperation. Relax - you are trying too hard.

[baldguy]

81. When it's intended to paint a false image of a current RW extremist group? Yes, very definitely.

And I just saw on Hardball, the incoming Pres of the NRA use that same "the NRA was founded by a Northern General" quote in the same sentence as the "War of Northern Aggression" quote. With that, and Post # 76 below, I'm wondering just where you got it, and what made you post it here?

[hack89]

88. I got the quote from the OP. Did you actually read it?

and I knew Ambrose Burnside was the first president because he is a prominent Rhode Islander - I helped my son do a project on him.

[baldguy]

89. Burnside wasn't mentioned in either the OP or the link it references.

Are you still a member of the NRA?

[hack89]

90. I already knew about Burnside

I am from Rhode Island.

And there is this thing called Google. Google National Rifle Association - amazing what happens.

[baldguy]

92. I guess you're embarrassed to be exposed as a member of a known radical extremist RW organization.

Since you lied about it & won't respond to any questions about it.

Can you see why people don't trust RW gun weirdos?

[hack89]

93. Not really

watching you guys work yourselves up into an arm flapping fit is worth it.

[geek tragedy]

76. Really?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=118&topic_id=480165&mesg_id=480667

hack89 (1000+ posts) Send PM Profile Ignore Fri Nov-18-11 06:27 PM

I belong to the NRA for one simple reason--there is no other group willing to defend my right to bear arms.

[Robb]

77. Whoopsie.

[geek tragedy]

78. I hate it when that happens. nt

[TheCowsCameHome]

79. Now cut that out right now.

[baldguy]

82. I'm sure the NRA has changed a great deal in the last year and a half.

In 2011, it was (must have been) totally non-partisan and as clean & white as the driven snow.

Er...wait, that didn't come out right. The NRA is ... or WAS ... as honest as the day is long!

[geek tragedy]

83. September 2011

http://www.rawstory.com/rawreplay/2011/09/nra-claims-massive-obama-conspiracy-not-to-ban-guns/

“[The Obama campaign] will say gun owners — they’ll say they left them alone,” LaPierre told an audience at the Conservative Political Action Conference (CPAC) Friday. “In public, he’ll remind us that he’s put off calls from his party to renew the Clinton [assault weapons] ban, he hasn’t pushed for new gun control laws… The president will offer the Second Amendment lip service and hit the campaign trail saying he’s actually been good for the Second Amendment.”

“But it’s a big fat stinking lie!” the NRA leader exclaimed. “It’s all part of a massive Obama conspiracy to deceive voters and destroy the Second Amendment in our country.”

“Obama himself is no fool. So when he got elected, they concocted a scheme to stay away from the gun issue, lull gun owners to sleep and play us for fools in 2012. Well, gun owners are not fools and we are not fooled,” La Pierre declared.

“Sotomayor, Kagan, Fast & Furious, the United Nations, executive orders. Those are the facts we face today… President Obama and his cohorts, yeah, they’re going to deny their conspiracy to fool gun owners. Some in the liberal media, they are already probably blogging about it. But we don’t care because the lying, conniving Obama crowd can kiss our Constitution!”

June 2011

http://www.usnews.com/news/blogs/washington-whispers/2011/06/27/nra-boss-obamas-gone-in-2012

Keene reveals that the NRA plans to mobilize its troops with the hopes of taking away three to five states Obama won in 2008. Keene and Wayne LaPierre, the gun group's executive vice president, plan a massive education campaign that he says will warn members about an Obama second term. He also says the NRA is seeking to register the up to 25 million gun owners not signed up to vote. He figures getting 5 million to 10 million to the polls would change the election's outcome. "We know how they'll vote," he says.

Belonging to the NRA should be a TOS violation. The NRA is a group of rightwing thugs with a few poodles in the Democratic party on a leash.

[baldguy]

84. I'm just trying to give hack89 the benefit of doubt.

I know it's a stretch - and he probably won't be brave enough to post in this thread again - I figured he'd need someone to stick up for him. After all, it's possible to be an extremist RW gun weirdo and still be a real, true blue Democrat. Right?

I'm not doing a very good job, am I?

[geek tragedy]

85. Well, part of it is that for some reason it took until Sandy Hook for NRA membership to be

socially unacceptable here.

With the ongoing purge of the card-carrying gundamentalist members of the NRA (one of the all time worst finally got his pizza last night), though, there aren't THAT many of Wayne's Kids left. So, the ratio of rational RKBA advocates to gun-worshipping weirdos is steadily improving.

[NoGOPZone]

87. Ouch! I felt that smackdown from here. nt

[2ndAmForComputers]

97. This thread deserves to be on the front page forever because of this one reply.

[mainer]

30. And we Yankees call it "The Great Rebellion."

You can see that engraved on our local Civil War statues.

I once had visitors from South Carolina and when they saw our local statue of a Civil War soldier, they were puzzled because they'd never heard of "The Great Rebellion." When I explained it was commemorating the Civil War, they said, "Oh, you mean the War of Northern Aggression!"

[Dawson Leery]

34. Better headline: "Incoming NRA President defends Holocaust against minorities"

Plantations were the equivalent of Nazi work camps for the Jews.

[liberal N proud]

40. Wonder what "northern gun nuts" think of that

[pampango]

49. My granparents from Alabama always called it the "War Between the States", but never the

"War of Northern Aggression".

[OldHippieChick]

73. Agreed

Spent 25 years in the South and only heard between the states from most Southerners. Not that I agreed w/ that, but I never heard "northern aggression".

[Warren DeMontague]

54. YEEEEEEEE-HAW!

[flamingdem]

58. wow so they really are still fighting

the Civil War, yeesh

[Rex]

61. We don't call it the War of Northern Aggression down south

you fucking stupid moron! Take your fucking racist, fuckwad organization and move to MARS!

NRA = NeoRepublicanAssholes.

[meow2u3]

67. Even better headline: "Incoming NRA President Advocates Treason in Defense of Slavery"

War of Northern Agression my pig's ass! Who fired the first shot during the Civil War? Who seceded from the country because they wanted to own other human beings?

[msongs]

71. The NRA controls congress, it can say whatever it wants really nt

[Douglas Carpenter]

86. knr

[spanone]

91. it shows how totally irrelevant the nra is....they don't have even a tiny grasp of history

to rule the other ignorant fucks

[AverageJoe90]

94. He IS a fuckin' idiot.

If anything, TBH, it was the war of Southern Aggression.
He did get ONE thing partially right, as one of the NRA's founders was indeed a Union General(George Wingate), but that's about it. Still a fucking loony otherwise.

[Le Taz Hot]

95. My Suhthunuh husband is always

saying shit like that just to get a rise out of me. We've been together for so long, I just roll my eyes.