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srican69

(1,426 posts)
Sat May 4, 2013, 01:49 PM May 2013

should corporate income taxes be abolished?

Personal income taxes should be increased to compensate in a revenue nuetral fashion.

As it is tax receipts from corporations only account for about 330 billion in revenue and furthermore provide an excuse for corporations to keep cash abroad..

I think it will be a net positive for the economy ...

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should corporate income taxes be abolished? (Original Post) srican69 May 2013 OP
Brilliant idea! Ayn Rand would heartily approve! kestrel91316 May 2013 #1
How so? They just pass the cost on to the consumer in higher prices... TampaAnimusVortex May 2013 #24
If you think eliminating corporate income taxes is going to kestrel91316 May 2013 #27
Why dont they increase the price of every product and service they sell now? TampaAnimusVortex May 2013 #30
No. that's a putrid idea. cali May 2013 #2
Considering how many of them pay zero taxes, I'd argue the opposite: they should be increased! arcane1 May 2013 #3
You mean they're NOT abolished??? rocktivity May 2013 #4
Bingo... kysrsoze May 2013 #34
If corporations are people, tax them at Single or Head of Household rates NightWatcher May 2013 #5
The wealthy person shields income with a corporation, an endowment, a trust, a foundation.. Fumesucker May 2013 #6
Revenue neutral? With taxes near historic lows? Orsino May 2013 #7
Bwah! Starry Messenger May 2013 #8
That would put a lot of accountants and lawyers out of business. dkf May 2013 #9
you will still need the accountants and lawyers for financial statements .. most companies have srican69 May 2013 #17
Labor SamKnause May 2013 #10
No. Corporate taxes are meant to be a kind of incentive to behave responsibly. PDJane May 2013 #11
How about a percent cap on profits instead? Make them keep the money in the business. nt bemildred May 2013 #12
There is Certainly an Argument for That On the Road May 2013 #13
No, but lowering the rate and removing all the loopholes would be a REALLY good idea Yo_Mama May 2013 #14
Sure, why not? RevStPatrick May 2013 #15
No, tax the shit out of their precious billions. Initech May 2013 #16
NO FUCKING WAY! BainsBane May 2013 #18
I know some very liberal economists who like that idea Recursion May 2013 #19
thank you...that was my point.. nt srican69 May 2013 #23
yes, there are a few on the liberal side who suggest it: It still sucks cali May 2013 #25
Yeah, and peasant women should be required to fellate plutocrats as ... 11 Bravo May 2013 #20
No blogslut May 2013 #21
Of course! Corporation are rich people and we all know Live and Learn May 2013 #22
No. They should be increased to 100% of all corporate transfers out of the country. AnotherMcIntosh May 2013 #26
Sure, have the corporations pay income tax like every other person. JVS May 2013 #28
I can live with that Incitatus May 2013 #29
I think we should all be taxed like corporations: on PROFITS instead of INCOME yurbud May 2013 #31
Enjoy your stay n/t denbot May 2013 #32
This message was self-deleted by its author NoGOPZone May 2013 #33

TampaAnimusVortex

(785 posts)
24. How so? They just pass the cost on to the consumer in higher prices...
Sat May 4, 2013, 06:18 PM
May 2013

Corporations don't pay taxes. They collect taxes. Any taxes they do happen to pay are simply transferred to the person downstream in the form of higher prices.

 

kestrel91316

(51,666 posts)
27. If you think eliminating corporate income taxes is going to
Sat May 4, 2013, 06:44 PM
May 2013

cause them to lower their prices of whatever they are selling, I have some swamp land in Florida you might be interested in.

TampaAnimusVortex

(785 posts)
30. Why dont they increase the price of every product and service they sell now?
Sat May 4, 2013, 06:50 PM
May 2013

You don't sound like you have ever taken any economics before. Are you suggesting that every price on every good and service is unaffected by supply and demand? That's a pretty magical land you live in there.

 

cali

(114,904 posts)
2. No. that's a putrid idea.
Sat May 4, 2013, 01:55 PM
May 2013

as if fucking fascist corporations don't have enough power, let's give them more!

NightWatcher

(39,343 posts)
5. If corporations are people, tax them at Single or Head of Household rates
Sat May 4, 2013, 02:05 PM
May 2013

15% of net income after a few deductions.... Fine by me

Fumesucker

(45,851 posts)
6. The wealthy person shields income with a corporation, an endowment, a trust, a foundation..
Sat May 4, 2013, 02:09 PM
May 2013

Working two or three part time jobs hardly leaves enough time to properly manage your corporation and a foundation is what you hope is under your home.



 

dkf

(37,305 posts)
9. That would put a lot of accountants and lawyers out of business.
Sat May 4, 2013, 02:15 PM
May 2013

Getting around taxes is a huge huge industry and is the driving force behind a myriad of decisions. I have no idea what the consequences would be if we got rid of them. Does this affect pay and benefits? Purchases? R & D? Everything would have to be evaluated on its own merit and could result in unintended consequences.

I imagine it would draw corporations to the US though. Then we can compete based on people and infrastructure.

srican69

(1,426 posts)
17. you will still need the accountants and lawyers for financial statements .. most companies have
Sat May 4, 2013, 04:07 PM
May 2013

multiple owners/ lenders etc who have a financial interest in the company

tax is a very small part of the work they do.

Yes tax accountants who specialize in creative ways to avoid tax will be out of work - that aint a bad thing

SamKnause

(13,088 posts)
10. Labor
Sat May 4, 2013, 02:31 PM
May 2013

Last edited Sun May 5, 2013, 06:57 AM - Edit history (1)

My 2 cents;

Corporate income taxes should be increased.

All loopholes should be closed.

Wall Street should pay a tax every time they shuffle money from client A to client B, or from corporation A to corporation B.

Income tax on labor should be abolished.

The income tax was implemented to take up the slack for lost revenue because of alcohol prohibition.

Funny how we still have to pay income tax but alcohol is legal.

Marijuana should be legalized and consumers taxed at a federal rate of 15%.

Citizens should be allowed to grow their own marijuana for personal use only; no sales.

All Free Trade deals should be renegotiated or abolished entirely.

No new Free Trade deals should ever be signed again.

PDJane

(10,103 posts)
11. No. Corporate taxes are meant to be a kind of incentive to behave responsibly.
Sat May 4, 2013, 02:33 PM
May 2013

Raise taxes on corporations. Make it uneconomical to outsource jobs. Charge them for the roads and bridges and freight trains and ships they use to get their goods to market. Make sure they pay to clean up after themselves.

The low tax rate is why they move jobs and money offshore in the first place; they aren't penalized for doing so.

On the Road

(20,783 posts)
13. There is Certainly an Argument for That
Sat May 4, 2013, 02:49 PM
May 2013

provided that the upper-end federal tax bracket is adjusted to collect at least the same amount from high-income stockholders.

It all depends on how people and corporations behave. If it repatriates offshore bank accounts, great. It would be good to have some type of precedent for believing that.

One of the chief drawbacks is that as far as I know, the proposals would not tax foreign stockholders, who are not subject to US income tax.

Yo_Mama

(8,303 posts)
14. No, but lowering the rate and removing all the loopholes would be a REALLY good idea
Sat May 4, 2013, 03:08 PM
May 2013

As it is now, a small business earning 500K can easily pay more taxes annually than GE, and this is ridiculous.

We're really paying large corporations to pay off our legislators. There's no other honest way to state it.

There's nothing wrong with taxes, per se. Taxes keep corporations secure, and fund everything from roads to banking regulation. Corporations need stability and the rule of law as much as individuals do (or at least honest ones do).

Right now we pretend to charge corporate taxes, that's all.

Don't let the large corporations set the terms of the debate. We all need to keep asking why GE isn't paying and the little business down the road is. This system is really set up to be hostile to the interests of the non-connected innovators, but positively Snuggle-bunny friendly to the large corporate interests.

Even Ronald Reagan made GE pay taxes! People don't realize how far out of hand this has gotten! I'll tell you one thing that really kills jobs - shifting the corporate tax burden from large businesses to small ones, that have historically created a lot of new jobs.

Well, the world tax regime has changed a lot since the 80s, so why not cut our corporate tax rate to be something close to the European average (anywhere from 25 to 29% would be fine) and remove these effing giveaways that only huge successful businesses get anyway?

Initech

(100,038 posts)
16. No, tax the shit out of their precious billions.
Sat May 4, 2013, 04:06 PM
May 2013

And I would go as far as to propose a 150% tax on every dollar stored in offshore bank accounts.

Recursion

(56,582 posts)
19. I know some very liberal economists who like that idea
Sat May 4, 2013, 04:45 PM
May 2013

Just tax the money very heavily once it comes to an individual.

 

cali

(114,904 posts)
25. yes, there are a few on the liberal side who suggest it: It still sucks
Sat May 4, 2013, 06:22 PM
May 2013

wealthy individuals can always form corporations that then: da da da: Don't get taxed. And again, there's enough power concentrated in corporations without exponentially adding to that power.

11 Bravo

(23,926 posts)
20. Yeah, and peasant women should be required to fellate plutocrats as ...
Sat May 4, 2013, 04:52 PM
May 2013

they observe their accountants assist them in dodging their fair share of the tax burden!

 

AnotherMcIntosh

(11,064 posts)
26. No. They should be increased to 100% of all corporate transfers out of the country.
Sat May 4, 2013, 06:28 PM
May 2013

If someone wants to send $1 million in corporte funds to Switzerland, the Bahamas, China, or any place else, let them bring $2 million and send $1 million to Uncle Sam.

If that doesn't increase manufacturing jobs in this country within two years, increase the percentage to 200%.

JVS

(61,935 posts)
28. Sure, have the corporations pay income tax like every other person.
Sat May 4, 2013, 06:47 PM
May 2013

That would be a huge revenue positive change.

Incitatus

(5,317 posts)
29. I can live with that
Sat May 4, 2013, 06:48 PM
May 2013

provided capital gains and dividend income are taxed the same as earned income. Then we could probably in inrease the standard deduction to 50k and tax progressively from there. 70% after a million.

yurbud

(39,405 posts)
31. I think we should all be taxed like corporations: on PROFITS instead of INCOME
Sat May 4, 2013, 06:55 PM
May 2013

or tax them like us on income not profits.

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