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The Death of Truth
By Chris Hedges
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The world has been turned upside down. The pestilence of corporate totalitarianism is spreading rapidly over the earth. The criminals have seized power. It is not, in the end, simply Assange or Manning they want. It is all who dare to defy the official narrative, to expose the big lie of the global corporate state. The persecution of Assange and Manning is the harbinger of what is to come, the rise of a bitter world where criminals in Brooks Brothers suits and gangsters in beribboned military uniformspropped up by a vast internal and external security apparatus, a compliant press and a morally bankrupt political elitemonitor and crush those who dissent. Writers, artists, actors, journalists, scientists, intellectuals and workers will be forced to obey or thrown into bondage. I fear for Julian Assange. I fear for Bradley Manning. I fear for us all.
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http://www.truthdig.com/dig/item/the_death_of_truth_20130505/
xchrom
(108,903 posts)Smarmie Doofus
(14,498 posts)progressoid
(49,952 posts)Amen.
snagglepuss
(12,704 posts)indepat
(20,899 posts)totalitarianism imo: that is why I'm opposed to every right-wing initiative, no matter the initiator.
davidn3600
(6,342 posts)ReRe
(10,597 posts)... and I am proud to be there. Give me effing liberty or give me effing death!~
demwing
(16,916 posts)"Perhaps--on the rare occasion--pursuing the right course demands an act of piracy, piracy itself can be the right course?"
WinkyDink
(51,311 posts)Lydia Leftcoast
(48,217 posts)one right answer and on which there can be legitimate differences of opinion.
You can't have them appreciating beauty and complexity and ambiguity.
Just the bottom line.
tex-wyo-dem
(3,190 posts)Dustlawyer
(10,494 posts)L0oniX
(31,493 posts)mountain grammy
(26,600 posts)and support terrorists and terrorism against the people, Bradley Manning sits in solitary confinement.
frazzled
(18,402 posts)The prestigious Hyperbole Prize.
It's got everything: a world turned upside down!! pestilence and totalitarianism!! a bitter world in which everything is a lie and everyone is wanted!! (Beware!! The thought police are coming for you!!).
And for the icing on the cake, we have writers and artists being forced to obey or thrown into bondage. Bondage, I tell you!! Joyce Carol Oates in chains. The elderly Jasper Johns dragged from his studio and made to carry heavy stones on his back.
I fear for people who respond to this kind of overwrought hyperbole. Honestly. It's possible to talk about these issues without resorting to pathos.
railsback
(1,881 posts)Yet dissent from hyperbole is met with hyperbole.
defacto7
(13,485 posts)and spoken by many officials in Austria just before the Anschluß. And those sentiments were spoken almost verbatim, sarcasm and all.
agent46
(1,262 posts)Take your slavish devotion to conventional wisdom somewhere where it will do some good - maybe a parallel universe.
frazzled
(18,402 posts)manipulative, gooey language the epitome of conventional wisdom.
It's like the bodice-ripper romance novel of political thought. If you're easily manipulated and don't want to think too hard, you'll eat it up.
agent46
(1,262 posts)judy
(1,942 posts)However, it is true that the Bradley Manning case shows that we are on the wrong track through and through.
I read the statement he made at the opening of his trial. I am surprised that he did not mention the judgment at Nuremberg, which established the United States as one of the moral guardians of the world.
They hanged those German officers, because they followed orders, and these orders constituted war crimes.
Bradley Manning is standing up for the moral compass of this country, which was lost after WW II, drowned in a sea of greed and hypocrisy.
Argh...
truedelphi
(32,324 posts)Most Americans only respond to such.
USA! USDA! Weapons of Mass Destruction means we go to war or die in a mushroom cloud! Etc. All that from our "Elected Officials." So who knows. Is Hedges sometimes too hyperbolic? Or is his means of expressing himself the epitome of what he needs to be?
In any event I agree with your analysis regarding Manning and the Nuremberg Court. I doubt that War Tribunal is even being taught in our schools any more, don't you?
JDPriestly
(57,936 posts)The New York Times, The Guardian, El Pais, Le Monde and Der Spiegel giddily printed redacted copies of some of the WikiLeaks files and then promptly threw Assange and Manning to the sharks. It was not only morally repugnant, but also stunningly shortsighted. Do these news organizations believe that if the state shuts down organizations such as WikiLeaks and imprisons Manning and Assange, traditional news outlets will be left alone? Cant they connect the dots between the prosecutions of government whistle-blowers under the Espionage Act, warrantless wiretapping, monitoring of communications and the persecution of Manning and Assange? Dont they worry that when the state finishes with Manning, Assange and WikiLeaks, these atrophied news outlets will be next? Havent they realized that this is a war by a global corporate elite not against an organization or an individual but against the freedom of the press and democracy?
http://www.truthdig.com/dig/page5/the_death_of_truth_20130505/
It's a very thoughtful article. Not just about Assange and Manning but about all of us who want to know more than what can be seen at a glance from a passing bus -- not just about state secrets but everything else.
Our government is completely unrealistic if it thinks that it can keep so many secrets from so many curious eyes.
Humans are naturally curious. We want to know why the sky is blue. We want to know what really happens behind all those closed doors. If you want people to listen to what you are saying, whisper. That's the secret of seasoned teachers. Just whisper.
And that is what our government does. It whispers its secrets to just enough people and just loud enough so that we all become very quiet and pay lots of attention. What fools!
And why are there so many shameful secrets in the first place? That's the real scandal here.
libodem
(19,288 posts)In 1984 when I saw the movie Brazil. I was mad for a year. Now the surrealness of it is coming true. Sick and sad.
KansDem
(28,498 posts)It all has to do with the the Power Elite...
KauaiK
(544 posts)The question is how do you stop it?
truedelphi
(32,324 posts)Most of our elected officials, when our elections are basically shams, what do we do?
randome
(34,845 posts)bvar22
(39,909 posts)usGovOwesUs3Trillion
(2,022 posts)Imagine a world where all governments can no longer keep secret from the governed all their deeds, both good and ill.
That is a world that concerned netizens are working towards, daily, and I applaud their efforts and bravery!
tex-wyo-dem
(3,190 posts)You're absolutely right about that, which is why there has been so much effort to legally censor the Internet.
China has shown them the way...a testbed of sorts. Now they want to implement it worldwide.
http://www.naomiklein.org/articles/2008/05/chinas-all-seeing-eye
Donald Ian Rankin
(13,598 posts)(Except possibly Arthur Koestler, I guess).
whatchamacallit
(15,558 posts)Congratulations, your statement perfectly illustrates the climate detailed in the OP.
Donald Ian Rankin
(13,598 posts)whatchamacallit
(15,558 posts)where he was charged, tried, and convicted. These days, totalitarian tools go straight to the persecuting.
randome
(34,845 posts)Of course, I'm sure it's all a super-duper double secret plan to 'get' him.
whatchamacallit
(15,558 posts)the massive international effort, cost, and time have only every been to find out if dude used a condom.
usGovOwesUs3Trillion
(2,022 posts)it's amazing how much they miss, when you stop and think about it... but even though it is pointed out time and again, they still refuse to acknowledge... pretty revealing, eh?
Donald Ian Rankin
(13,598 posts)The persecution Assange is facing is people trying to charge, try and convict him, despite the fact that he's gone on the run!
whatchamacallit
(15,558 posts)It takes a special kind of mind to refuse to recognize this witch hunt for what it is. Like the OP fears; a sign of the times...
Donald Ian Rankin
(13,598 posts)whatchamacallit
(15,558 posts)considering the evidence.
hack89
(39,171 posts)the ones that detail forced sex?
rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)The corporatist overlords can garner millions to persecute him. And the weak-minded among us will follow the corporatist overlords because it is so much easier than thinking for themselves. God Save our Corporate Kingdom.
Curious, do you think of yourself as a "politically liberal person?"
Donald Ian Rankin
(13,598 posts)Whistleblowing is where you *first* find evidence of wrongdoing, and *secondly* release that evidence (c.f. Throat, Deep).
When you release a large quantity of classified documents, the vast majority of which you have no idea of the contents of, that's not whistleblowing.
There's nothing illiberal about believing that the government should be able to keep secrets.
grahamhgreen
(15,741 posts)Donald Ian Rankin
(13,598 posts)grahamhgreen
(15,741 posts)Pelican
(1,156 posts)... or just the whole "I think the war was illegal so everything is a war crime?"
rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)There is a huge problem with OUR government keeping secrets from us.
No one is making the argument that OUR government shouldnt keep secrets but some of us want more transparency.
And I would think "politically liberal peoples" would want more transparency and choose the side of the person trying to expose that OUR government's lack of transparency instead of taking the side of Big Brother.
toby jo
(1,269 posts)What happens to the political unit that is "us", when it can be completely destabilized by a hacker?
We have to take responsibility for being empowered with the ability to keep secrets. You really don't want that type of destabilization to take place. You're seeing this through the eyes of one with no power, and assuming govt. will kick in and protect you if there is an issue due to the release of state secrets. The govt. is seeing this in terms of their NOT being able to protect you due to the release of state secrets.
Not a black/white issue:
I ran a citizen's group for years on radio-frequency weapons. Our govt has people in psyche wards, prisons, and hiding out in their basements with blankets over the windows to keep the noise, the voices, the target-beam weaponry out of their consciousness. Victims have committed suicide, infanticide, and murder under the stress of these weapons. Using people's minds as vehicles to carrier frequencies that can bend brainwaves is evil stuff, no doubt.
But yet I understand the blanket reasoning of a govt to keep secrets safe from undue hacking.
We need more transparency. We're in over our heads with greed, and have our fingers where they don't belong. But I don't want anybody to have the ability to hack into my country's data bank. Who is the next 'anybody', and is their agenda yours?
There are better ways.
rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)we are in a class war and losing badly. I personally believe we passed the point of no return. "You say there are better ways", I would change that to "there should be better ways". If there are better ways I sure dont see them. And we've been told that for decades, "Dont look behind the curtain without permission (which is never granted)".
Our government is totally out of control as revealed by these leaks. The leaks are not a method of fixing a problem but a way to expose them like all whistle-blowing. Punishing Manning as a martyr is only intended as terror. OUR government, instead of fixing the transparency problem want to terrorize citizens into not looking behind the curtain.
We, the 99%, are losing more and more power every day with no fix in sight. Some HOPEd that Barack Obama would stand with the 99% but he is choosing the other side.
Nothing is ever "black or white" but when someone is trying to kill you, it's pretty damn close. "The Elite Overlords dont want to kill us, but if we get in their way of more profits and power and get killed, they wont care."
The Revolution is waiting.
usGovOwesUs3Trillion
(2,022 posts)how he is condemned by some, nonetheless :shakes-head:
Donald Ian Rankin
(13,598 posts)They won't log formal charges until they have him in custody, and I suspect you know that and are deliberately being deceptive.
Zorra
(27,670 posts)And it is quite apparent that DU has been deliberately infected with the deadly Third Way Asshole Virus.
whatchamacallit
(15,558 posts)Witnessing the shift in the country and on DU has been sobering
AtheistCrusader
(33,982 posts)Donald Ian Rankin
(13,598 posts)"Alleged" sometimes has connotations of "we think he's innocent" which I wanted to avoid.
AtheistCrusader
(33,982 posts)Shame on you.
Donald Ian Rankin
(13,598 posts)Yes, it's quite right that a court of law should place the burden of proof on the accuser, and treat the accused as innocent until proven guilty.
No, that doesn't mean that in our capacity as private citizens we should pretend that everyone who has so far outrun the law is probably innocent.
Moreover, I'm afraid I suspect that you know that, and that you only pretend not to when the accused is someone you admire.
AtheistCrusader
(33,982 posts)He won't be, because that clearly isn't the purpose of the allegations.
He has not been found guilty of anything, the allegations remain that; allegations.
As to admiration, I am neither for nor against Assange as a person. I respect and appreciate some of the things he has done, that is all.
You seem to assume his guilt quite strongly. I think that is a shameful position. You are aware that I am just as entitled to that assessment, as you are of his guilt, yes? I think it is a deplorable thing to say.
sibelian
(7,804 posts)... which positions seem to come to you very easily , Donald.
mn9driver
(4,420 posts)Read up on it. And read the public statements made by the alleged victims. The charges Assange faces in Sweden are consistent with a successful attempt by the power elite to neutralize him in the eyes of the world. The premise of the OP is correct.
grahamhgreen
(15,741 posts)Description of Ad Hominem
Translated from Latin to English, "Ad Hominem" means "against the man" or "against the person."
An Ad Hominem is a general category of fallacies in which a claim or argument is rejected on the basis of some irrelevant fact about the author of or the person presenting the claim or argument. Typically, this fallacy involves two steps. First, an attack against the character of person making the claim, her circumstances, or her actions is made (or the character, circumstances, or actions of the person reporting the claim). Second, this attack is taken to be evidence against the claim or argument the person in question is making (or presenting). This type of "argument" has the following form:
Person A makes claim X.
Person B makes an attack on person A.
Therefore A's claim is false.
The reason why an Ad Hominem (of any kind) is a fallacy is that the character, circumstances, or actions of a person do not (in most cases) have a bearing on the truth or falsity of the claim being made (or the quality of the argument being made).
Donald Ian Rankin
(13,598 posts)If I were to say "Assange is a rapist, and therefor the wikileaks are fabricated", that would be an example of an ad hominem attack.
But "Assange is a rapist, and therefor he should be sent to Sweden and prosecuted there" is just an attack, plain and direct.
grahamhgreen
(15,741 posts)Donald Ian Rankin
(13,598 posts)Assange hasn't *made* any arguments.
I think you are confused.
Zorra
(27,670 posts)whistler162
(11,155 posts)I am a progressive and generally agree with your points. However, I consider both Assange and Manning to be nothing but irresponsible headline hunters. If you want to expose a specific situation, event or injustice that's one thing. But you do not simply just dump everything into the public arena without considering the impact on people's lives, relations between nations etc..
sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)read that? Did you know that Wikileaks contacted the US Military and asked them for help with ensuring that no harm would come to anyone, and that the military refused to do so?
Are you aware that Wikileaks worked with several major news outlets including he NY Times because they had the staff that Wikileaks lacked who could sort through the vast amounts of material they had been given. All those news organizations published that material. Do you think they were also irresponsible? Or is publishing facts something the media should do?
It's astounding how propaganda and lies spread so quickly and people seem so unwilling to seek out facts even when they are available.
No one was harmed by Wikileaks' work. Even Gates admitted that. Yet this perception prevails even though it is false.
The irony is that this country thought nothing of getting our soldiers killed based on LIES or killing, speaking of 'endangering', over one million human beings based on LIES. And that not one criminal has been held accountable for any of those crimes.
But the people who reported on those horrific crimes are the ones being persecuted.
The Cables revealed so much about how this country operates, yet I doubt many Americans have bothered to even read them. People around the world now know eg, that the Obama administration intervened in the Spanish Court's case against Bush Torturers and intimidated the Court into dropping the case, FOR NOW. How shameful that other countries are going to have to prosecute OUR War Criminals because we refuse to do so ourselves.
Chris Hedges is one of the few journalists left with the courage to tell the truth. He needs to watch his back considering the persecution of whistle blowers, protesters against Wall St. corruption, journalists who report facts such as eg, Ashley Banfield. This is a very, very bad period in our history and will probably be recorded that way and we will all be judged by history as to how we dealt with the injustices we witnessed.
grahamhgreen
(15,741 posts)Sorry, there is absolutely no excuse for taking all the info that you have and just dumping it entirely for all to see. Assange is nothing but a headline-grabber and sensationalist, no better that Issa and the republicans.
sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)is a 'headline grabber': 'WMDs in Iraq' 'Mushroom Clouds Coming our Way' etc etc. Those 'headline grabbers' got millions killed, tortured and maimed for life.
Priorities, some people's priorities involve getting the truth and holding criminals accountable. Others do not want the truth for some reason.
"Headline grabber" is my view, why did I have to get it from somewhere else ? Do you get your info strictly from others, or do you sometimes form your own view ?. And just because Bush and his gang did despicable things, does not mean that Assange is correct. I served for many years abroad in our Foreign Service, and the wholesale, random and indiscriminate dumping of diplomatic communications by Assange was nothing short of a criminal act.
randome
(34,845 posts)My reply was my "talking point".
JEB
(4,748 posts)And often the conscience of Progressives. Watch your back and stay off of small planes.
Half-Century Man
(5,279 posts)...they did make sure we were well armed. as disturbing as that is, the time we are thankful for that small grace might not be far off.
tex-wyo-dem
(3,190 posts)Common citizens to be so well armed. But the one glaring weakness of the corporate oligarchy is their insatiable greed and desire for profit. When Obama pushed for strengthened gun laws, the people prone to fear of government takeover went running to their nearest gun dealer to buy as much hardware and ammo they could, which was a profit bonanza!
Maybe in the end this shortsightedness will be the undoing of the corpoate state. Unfortunately, those who are most radical in their gun ownership are often blind to who their true enemy really is.
Half-Century Man
(5,279 posts)...will be catastrophically bloody. And I think those on high fail to realized their lack of appeal.
WillyT
(72,631 posts)99th_Monkey
(19,326 posts)who is never happy with anything our great POTUS says or does.
Just because the sky really is falling, is no excuse for him being such
a Chicken Little all the time.
Better Chris should give it up -- get a good hobby or just go get drunk or
stoned --rather than constantly pointing out how Obama is essentially
continuing the Bush Crime Family agenda, and even enhancing
some of it, with fancy drones and such.
Go get a life Mr. Hedges!!!
randome
(34,845 posts)I think I'm having a seizure.
99th_Monkey
(19,326 posts)Fuddnik
(8,846 posts)And no sarcasm!
99th_Monkey
(19,326 posts)I hope my intent was clear to most.
blkmusclmachine
(16,149 posts)rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)Fuddnik
(8,846 posts)sagat
(241 posts)Chris Hedges needs psychiatric help.
bbgrunt
(5,281 posts)defacto7
(13,485 posts)The short sighted think history is past and now is new. No... it a circle that goes round and round and where she stops... look in a history book. It repeats itself.
Beware of the Anschluß. It's like a tamping 1939 on an ink blotter and stamping it on 2016 give or take. Or you can pretend it's not happening and laugh your way to servitude.
ucrdem
(15,512 posts)guarded at a cost to London taxpayers of £3 million as of February. If they ever get tired of paying his bills here's a house for sale in nearby Herbert Crescent:
"Herbert Crescent is a quiet street of Queen Anne style red-brick terraced houses and is within easy walking distance of the green and open spaces of Hyde Park and the amenities and facilities of Knightsbridge."
Asking price: £22 million. Maybe Hedges fears that Julian might miss out on this great deal?
http://www.primelocation.com/for-sale/details/27080577
sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)world in restoring the notion that the 'NEWS media should be about recording facts.
Murdoch, who lied about a war that killed thousands of our soldiers, hundreds of thousands of innocent people around the world, is worth BILLIONS eg. But he is feted in DC by our own leaders. Even the exposed scandals in Britain have not resulted in him being 'held in an Embassy' anywhere, he is still protected by the same governments who used his willingness to lie to the people, to start their illegal wars.
What a silly comment frankly. I would willingly contribute to those like Wikileaks who eg, exposed the corruption of the Banks in Iceland resulting in the law actually being applied there.