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1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
Fri May 10, 2013, 09:42 PM May 2013

My response to a worried Democrat ...

It contains my analysis of what is going on ... and provides my message to the “Hold ‘em accountable” Left and waivering Democrats ...



"At a time when the thugs should be really and truly not only down on the mat, but being ground into the fiber and foam of it, it appears their obstruction is their strong suit and it's their way of increasing their numbers in 2014. The Chained CPI is something that never should have been put forth by anyone seriously against it---he should have been forcing the thugs to stand in their truth and take their asswhippin' for it. In fact, any talk about touching SSI and Medicare should have been shut down. The fact that the thugs have an all out war against women on every front should be compelling him to reject any harebrained policy the thugs come up with with absolute derision."

I agree with the first part; but disagree with you conclusion.

Now IS when the thugs should really and truly not only be down on the mat, but being ground into the fiber and form of it. And they are ... but it's not the Left doing it. It is, exactly, BECAUSE the gop believes their obstruction is their strong suit and it's their way to increasing their numbers in 2014; but the polls indicate that it is not working.

Look at the polling, Democrats and the rest of the Left hate them; but more importantly, (and I’ve written this so many times, all I have to do a push control-V) a solid plurality of Independent voters AND republican voters (a solid majority, when taken together) see the gop as the party unwilling to compromise; therefore, the reason nothing is getting done in Washington. In order to flip the House (because of gerrymandering) and expand the Senate in 2014, Democrats need this cohort of Independent voters and republican voters to either: vote Democratic (which is unlikely); to vote 3rd-party (which will reduce the gerrymandering effect, as it will dilute the gop vote more so than the Democratic vote); or to stay home.

Enter President Obama’s Budget Proposal that included the CCPI … to the Left, it’s Hair On Fire time because NO REAL DEMOCRAT would ever propose “cutting ‘entitlement’ programs”; but look at it from the POV of the target cohort … they see President Obama (and by extension, Democrats) as willing to move on “entitlements” IF the gop is willing to move on taxes (i.e., COMPROMISE). (It is only the Left that is viewing CCPI in isolation). And what is the cohort seeing … the gop continuing to refuse to compromise (that’s what the polling is saying).

Does this strategy risk, disillusioned Democrats sitting home? … Well, yes. And some on the Left are, seemingly, doing everything in their power to make that happen, with their constant President Obama is (and by extension, Democrats are) sell-out devil(s)” mantras, without pointing out that President Obama is not running for office, AND by not pointing out what Democrats (that ARE/will be running are actually saying … which goes from Pelosi’s, “We’ll consider CCPI; BUT ONLY IF the gop GIVES on taxes” to Markey’s (and the majority of the Democratic Caucsus’) “Hell NO … Leave SS and Medicare alone.”
While I, personally, think that the Pelosi/President Obama position is the wiser strategy, 18 months out from the election, as it continues to reinforce what the targeted cohort already believes … that the gop is unwilling to compromise, Democrats saying “Hell NO!” signals that SS and Medicare will not/cannot be touched.

So Message to the “Hold ‘em accountable” Left and waivering Democrats:

Stop saying/promoting President Obama’s Budget Proposal as merely CCPI (and a few other “anti-Democratic” positions) and help the Democratic Party’s cause by, at a minimum, stating what the Democrats in Congress are actually saying!

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My response to a worried Democrat ... (Original Post) 1StrongBlackMan May 2013 OP
dupe GeorgeGist May 2013 #1
Yes ... 1StrongBlackMan May 2013 #3
You posted this exact same thing at least once already. Bluenorthwest May 2013 #2
Yes I did ... 1StrongBlackMan May 2013 #4
That is my comment on the post. That's the most there is to say about it. Bluenorthwest May 2013 #7
Okay ... 1StrongBlackMan May 2013 #8
Excellent analysis! bravenak May 2013 #5
Thank you for your response ... 1StrongBlackMan May 2013 #6
You nailed it! Lady Freedom Returns May 2013 #9
CCPI is now on the table and will never be taken off Fumesucker May 2013 #10
I disagree ... 1StrongBlackMan May 2013 #11
 

Bluenorthwest

(45,319 posts)
7. That is my comment on the post. That's the most there is to say about it.
Fri May 10, 2013, 10:09 PM
May 2013

Had I wanted to comment on it, I would have commented when it was not a rerun. Holding your breath and repeating it again will probably not get you anything you did not get when you posted this in the past.
It's just more of your same old, this time it is actually the exact same thing, not just similar like most of your posts, but this is just a spamming of some post you liked better than the readers did.

 

bravenak

(34,648 posts)
5. Excellent analysis!
Fri May 10, 2013, 09:58 PM
May 2013

The republicans are showing out, they are in rare form. They actually don't notice that they are turning people off. The can't make inroads with minorities, or women, or anyone really. And they actually think Benghazi is going to win them an election 3 years from now. At least they are unified in their demise. They are failing to come up with a coherent message. It's all talking points and word salad.
I trust my president more than I have trusted any other. I mean, imagine, President Mitt Romney?
If I get mad at Obama, I just think about how Bush would have handled the same situation. Then I feel a little better.

Fumesucker

(45,851 posts)
10. CCPI is now on the table and will never be taken off
Fri May 10, 2013, 10:24 PM
May 2013

It's now going to be seen as something that Democrats think is a good idea, otherwise it wouldn't have been in Obama's budget. The Republicans are going to make sure of that.

You are basing your strategic thinking on political sophistication on the part of the electorate, in my view that's not a reasonable expectation.

If the Republicans are good at anything at all it's pounding a message out to the public with an intensity and single mindedness so extreme I can't even think of a sufficiently strong simile for it. They don't care whether the message is true or not, all it has be is remotely plausible if you squint hard enough at it, repetition will do the trick of convincing a lot of voters it's true.






 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
11. I disagree ...
Fri May 10, 2013, 10:42 PM
May 2013
It's now going to be seen as something that Democrats think is a good idea, otherwise it wouldn't have been in Obama's budget. ...


But that ignores what Democrats have actually said. Plus, as the mid-terms approach, Democrats will have plenty of opportunities to say: "Hell No! Don't touch 'entitlements'." (if they are in a Blue district) Or, "let's talk about CCPI, BUT ONLY IF the gop will GIVE on revenue."

If the Republicans are good at anything at all it's pounding a message out to the public with an intensity and single mindedness so extreme I can't even think of a sufficiently strong simile for it. They don't care whether the message is true or not, all it has be is remotely plausible if you squint hard enough at it, repetition will do the trick of convincing a lot of voters it's true.


I agree ... but the republican audience that the gop reaches is NOT the cohort that we need to swing ... they are already leaning our way.
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