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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsChild free women: Don't you just love being told "Happy Mother's Day," by people who don't know you
because after you appear a certain age that's the assumption that is made.
Aren't "Family Values" just wonderful?
GoCubsGo
(32,078 posts)AFAIC, it is a happy day for me, because it reminds me that I am not one of them, thankfully.
Not all of us are meant to be mothers and would have been unhappy women raising unhappy children had we been forced into it.
My kid is the 4-legged kind, and I wouldn't have it any other way.
SharonAnn
(13,772 posts)Nearly all of us have helped "parent" other people's children during our lives. Sometimes in small ways, like paying for schools, sometimes in big ways, like taking in foster children or volunteering for children's organizations.
I accept good will however it's offered and for whatever reason it's offered. Makes my life simpler and more positive.
Just because I didn't actually bear children, it doesn't offend me to be wished well.
GoCubsGo
(32,078 posts)It's the same with every other holiday. As for Mother's Day, I'm a cat mom, which is good enough for me, and a lot of other people.
zazen
(2,978 posts)Quantess
(27,630 posts)Or, it's been addressed to a group of women with the odds that one of us is probably a mom.
Even so, it doesn't happen to me all that often.
livetohike
(22,133 posts)and smile and mean it.
Thinkingabout
(30,058 posts)tell me Happy Mother's Day.
cherokeeprogressive
(24,853 posts)Sherman A1
(38,958 posts)One wonders why must some take offense at being wished a happy day?
BTW: I am a Dad and I was wished Happy Mother's Day today and even received a Mother's Day Gift.
arely staircase
(12,482 posts)well, happy birthday to you too, little boy. he was 93 and I was 35.
Cobalt Violet
(9,905 posts)For some it is an insult.
Sherman A1
(38,958 posts)It is stated so eloquently nothing really need be added.
Cobalt Violet
(9,905 posts)Sherman A1
(38,958 posts)You have yours and I have mine.
In mine it would be.... Some might just be finding, perhaps too much by which they are easily offended. But, whatever works for you.............
cordelia
(2,174 posts)pipi_k
(21,020 posts)even if a woman has never had children of her own...either biological or adopted, there's a pretty good chance she's been a "mom" to someone.
She may have acted in the role of mom to a young person at some time.
A neighbor child. A niece or nephew.
A student.
A pet, even.
I think all women are "moms" in their hearts.
Loryn
(943 posts)As someone who was only able to conceive fibroids, not being a mother was quite sad for me earlier in my life.
Yesterday as I checked out of the grocery store with salad, cat food, and a bottle of wine, the checker cheerily said "Happy Mother's Day." I didn't correct her.
I have been a mother to all the things you mentioned.
Number23
(24,544 posts)Thanks for that.
Mojorabbit
(16,020 posts)to no avail. That was eons ago thouogh. Generally it does not bother me but ever so often it drags up old stuff and makes me sad. I have nurtured all manner of people and animals in my lifetime so I try to take it in the spirit it is given.
Squinch
(50,935 posts)capacities I perform really important and valuable functions for the kids in my life, who includes some nieces and nephews that I love to distraction and have helped raise.
I chose not to be a mom. I am happy with that choice.
I think being a mom of the heart is an honor, but far be it for me to say someone is what s/he doesn't want to be.
I change my original statement to say that many (not all) women are moms in their hearts.
REP
(21,691 posts)I don't need to be considered a mommy in any sense to be complete. I didn't undergo two sterilizations because I secretly yearned for someone to call me Mom. Woman does not equal Mother.
pipi_k
(21,020 posts)told me off!
Not sure where the idea comes from that woman = mom, but I didn't say it, and didn't mean to imply it.
You are right. Woman doesn't equal mom any more than mom doesn't equal woman. Mr Pipi was both mom and dad to his oldest daughter when his first wife left them both and wanted nothing to do with my stepdaughter till the day her mom died.
In any event, please forgive me for trying to be compassionate toward those women who, for one reason or another, usually not of their own choosing, do not have children. Please forgive me for trying to inject a bit of positive thought into a subject that is so very painful for so many women.
REP
(21,691 posts)Well, my sterilizations were a bit painful, but I chose those, too. Fought for them, in fact; too many doctors could not believe that I wouldn't change my mind (Alzheimer's doesn't run in my family, so no) or "meet a man who wants children" (why would I be with a man like that - or a man like that be with me?) or maybe I'd want a child because my husband could die (WTF?). Couldn't believe that a uterus and breasts actually had a functioning brain that could make decisions and plans and know its own likes and dislikes.
Too many people assuming that a woman without children is less somehow; is suffering from some inner pain; is bravely carrying on being childLESS. Never realizing that quite a few women decided that motherhood may be a fine 'hood indeed for many, but preferred a different address, and live there without regrets, doubt or the need of the so very compassionate glances of strangers.
JustAnotherGen
(31,798 posts)Step kids and I was a good stepmom - but I was not a mom. Nieces and nephews are great but after my third miscarriage in a year -
That's not good enough or the same. I'm sorry because I love what you wrote - but speak gently because you never know what heartbreak someone is experiencing.
pipi_k
(21,020 posts)That is good advice no matter what, because what you said is true...you never know what heartbreak someone is experiencing, or has experienced.
My youngest stepdaughter had two miscarriages in less than a year. For a short time during her pregnancies, she was a "mother" to a fetus. Would she be hurt if someone wished her a Happy Mothers Day, or would she appreciate someone acknowledging that those fetuses even existed....one never knows how someone will feel about what we say.
After my own daughter passed away in 1975, my mother avoided mentioning her name. Nobody did. Never talked about her...I suppose people were afraid that doing so would make me sad. It would have, but that wouldn't have been a bad thing, necessarily. It's good to cry. It's good to mourn. If we don't do that, we find ourselves doing it years and years later.
I suppose I could have said to people, please...talk about Pammy. She was a real person. She lived. It will hurt me, but not as much as seeing people act like she had never existed.
LaydeeBug
(10,291 posts)Happy Holidays doesn't bother me either.
chowder66
(9,066 posts)It was a customer in Georgia whom I have never spoken to or have met.
Must admit, it was a bit odd.
yet I survived.
riderinthestorm
(23,272 posts)greetings as expressions meant with goodwill.
mostlyalurker
(37 posts)because both of children died as newborns due to some medical stuff nobody but their father and I care about, it always hurts me. I don't get in peoples faces about it 'cause that's rude and uncalled for however, I think it would be nice if strangers were just kind and non specific with greetings like that. There is a lot of pain in the world you just don't know about.
pamela
(3,469 posts)I really don't know what else to say. I just wanted to let you know someone saw your post and cared.
mostlyalurker
(37 posts)"I'm sorry" is the perfect thing to say.
JustAnotherGen
(31,798 posts)My heart just broke a little more.
olddots
(10,237 posts)I would reply " good day earthling " (not funny )
yeah it sucks --a few days ago on some "news" show they mentioned how Mother's Day is now a multi billion dollar industry ---we seem to make up these days to create consumerism brought on by advertising .
eShirl
(18,490 posts)Or perhaps women who finally conceived, only to suffer miscarriage.
I know people mean well, but sometimes it's kinder not to say anything if you don't know the circumstances of the person you're interacting with.
Metatron
(1,258 posts)Thank you.
Squinch
(50,935 posts)Coal Miner's Day, I would think the person saying it was presumptuous and odd.
(Yes, there is actually a Coal Miner's Day. I'm told it's in June.)
Ilsa
(61,692 posts)It's possible that a gesture of goodwill can remind a person of something she feels is missing from her life.
fishwax
(29,149 posts)It is not that hard to just not say anything.
JustAnotherGen
(31,798 posts)mainer
(12,022 posts)and since it's so automatic, I found myself saying "And same to you!" to a MAN who wished me Happy Mother's Day.
Xithras
(16,191 posts)Mothers Day is a day to honor your own mother as much as it's a day to be honored for being one. 100% of the people on this planet either ARE mothers or were birthed by one. I'm a man and will obviously never be a mother, so from my perspective, a Happy Mothers Day greeting is simply a reminder for me to reflect on my own mothers sacrifices for me. I always assumed that other men and childless women looked at it the same way.
Jamastiene
(38,187 posts)I bought a strawberry torte and told the cashier it was my Mother's Day present from my cat. She wished me a Happy Mother's Day twice after I did that, lol.
We should start a holiday on our own to coincide with Mother's Day. Non-mother's Day. We can celebrate our own holiday and have fun.
hlthe2b
(102,200 posts)and she will always love me and miss me when I'm gone.
That said, we all had mothers, so today is for them.
Jamastiene
(38,187 posts)I'm not a mother, but I still celebrate the holiday for my mother. Have I completely misunderstood the holiday all these years?
sharp_stick
(14,400 posts)don't you, kind of pathetic.
RB TexLa
(17,003 posts)Squinch
(50,935 posts)women who don't have kids, don't you? Kind of pathetic.
Actually, I have no more idea if you hate women who don't have kids than you do whether the OPer hates kids. But that seems to be the game we're playing.
sharp_stick
(14,400 posts)you haven't been around for the "Oh how much I hate the child tax credit" rants come tax time. That being said, it may be better stated that he dislikes people that have kids rather than the kids themselves.
get the red out
(13,461 posts)Of all places to judge someone for a life choice that they refuse to keep "properly" shut up about I would hope DU would not be the place.
You are the one who is pathetic, since you are so condemning to someone you don't even know.
sharp_stick
(14,400 posts)someone I don't know wouldn't it?
enough
(13,256 posts)that in any way suggests the poster hates kids, or women who have kids.
Or maybe it's sarcasm with out the icon.
Warpy
(111,234 posts)about people they don't know.
sharp_stick
(14,400 posts)PasadenaTrudy
(3,998 posts)And what if one does hate kids? Oh the horror!
REP
(21,691 posts)So is my barf bag, after reading the "all women are mothers in their hearts" glurge.
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)i am a mom and old and still do not have strangers wish me a happy moms day.
i do not think it happens.
Quantess
(27,630 posts)I have never had the phrase directed at me, point blank.
Occasionally I have heard "if you're a mother, happy mother's day". Maybe 2 or 3 times in my entire life, no big deal.
Squinch
(50,935 posts)4 times today.
REP
(21,691 posts)msongs
(67,390 posts)get the red out
(13,461 posts)Ding ding ding! We have a winner.
LanternWaste
(37,748 posts)Much like a birthday is merely "fetal expulsion day" which I also assume you have the consistency to maintain... rather than simply pretending to be clever.
etherealtruth
(22,165 posts).... when it is actually afternoon
Trajan
(19,089 posts)Just mean assed shit stirring ....
Heidi
(58,237 posts)(Only somewhat) respectfully submitted,
Heidi, child-free by choice but not at all miffed by Mother's Day
Jamastiene
(38,187 posts)she might still have a mother. So, the holiday can still be celebrated. The ones I truly feel for are those who have to face Mother's Day if their mothers have passed on. I see no reason not to celebrate our mothers, even if we do not have children ourselves.
Heidi
(58,237 posts)sarge43
(28,941 posts)I have many vivid memories of the kind, silly, loving, heroic things my Mom did. Life is what it is. Far better I miss her than she to miss me. Losing a child is the worst thing that can happen.
Back OT: I don't mind someone wishing me Happy Mother's Day. Just because a woman hasn't given birth doesn't mean she isn't a mom. It would be a sad world if the only people we loved and cared for shared our DNA.
JustAnotherGen
(31,798 posts)Miscarriages have you had in the past year? I called to wish my mom a Happy Mother's day yesterday and she said - thanks - but as a mom I want my daughter to have that joy. My heart breaks for you.
It's a day of reminders of a child you never got to hold.
Daemonaquila
(1,712 posts)Oh, how nice for you that YOU don't care. Get off the high horse. Lots of us are sick of assinine assumptions, like that because we are women, we give a damn about babies or would know what to do with them beyond preparing them with a nice white wine sauce, or that because we're married we're Mrs.-Whatever-His-Last-Name-Is. It's pretty stupid to wish anyone with breasts a Happy Mother's Day, even really offensive under some circumstances.
LWolf
(46,179 posts)Of course, we don't all define that term in the same way.
I AM a mother. My grown sons are the greatest blessing of my life, every day of the year. They don't wait for Mother's day to let me know that they love and appreciate me.
Still, today, my mom and I will be having dinner at my younger son's home. Dinner prepared and served by him, and by my grandson.
People who don't know you aren't stopping to wonder if you are a mother, or anything else about your life. They don't know you.
My grandson will also be wishing the woman who is not his mother a happy mother's day. He said, "She loves me more, and takes better care of me, than my 'real' mother ever did."
My students sometimes forget and call me "mom." I forgive them.
I'm a woman, and whether or not I choose to give birth, whether or not I nurture anyone in my life, I represent the female aspect of life, and can be honored for it.
I just wish we'd honor it more than once a year. Maybe by putting more women in leadership roles across the globe. Something less commercial, and more authentic.
phylny
(8,378 posts)I am a mother, and the only people who wished me a happy Mother's Day were people who knew me and knew I was a mother.
Not the people in the store.
Not the cashier or the guy bagging groceries.
Not one person in church.
I am so fucking offended by these so-called family values.
arely staircase
(12,482 posts)when someone says something with good intentions, I find it is nice to simply be appreciative, regardless of how clumsy or off the mark the comment was.
cloudbase
(5,513 posts)bike man
(620 posts)Tien1985
(920 posts)A loving husband and a 9 yr old boy. *We* have gotten wished a Happy Mother's Day. We don't celebrate it that way in our house, but we take it in the spirit that it's meant, smile and say thanks.
I don't see this as a crisis, but a simple "thanks, but I'm not a mom" should handle it.
MNBrewer
(8,462 posts)and it IS Mother's Day, so why not be happy?
If you don't have kids you should be DOUBLE happy!!
Ptah
(33,024 posts)etherealtruth
(22,165 posts)msanthrope
(37,549 posts)felicitations of perfect strangers who seemed to want to be nice.
The Velveteen Ocelot
(115,661 posts)If someone wishes me well for any reason I think it's nice. It doesn't bother me if someone were to assume I'm a mother even though I'm not - but this has never actually happened to me.
KansDem
(28,498 posts)She passed away in 1991, but I remember her fondly.
I remember giving her cards and flowers all through the years of growing up. And I remember the special dinner we had each Mother's Day. I remember the special encouragement and praise I got from her and how she would stand up for me during difficult times.
I would imagine women without children would feel the same way about their "Mother's Day."
Starry Messenger
(32,342 posts)That makes us all happy. Sorry you feel the need to wallow in negativity.
Bryn
(3,621 posts)I don't know where it is in the Bible, but it was Mae West who said this:
"The Bible says women who are barren have more children than those who bear them and I have more children than I can handle."
I don't have kids, but I do have more children than I can handle ... two big dogs, 9 cats.. and nature/enviroment..
Plus nieces & nephews ..
Turbineguy
(37,312 posts)she said she was not a Mother but an "Auntie". So I wished her, "Happy Auntie Day!"
wercal
(1,370 posts)I used to dread the Monday after, when everybody would ask me what I did for my mother...and I would uncomfortably tell them that she passed away when I was young. Now I'm old enough that people don't automatically assume that I have a live mother to send a card to or take out to dinner, so it doesn't happen as much.
But I never got angry at people for making the assumption. It was just 'small talk'...just trying to be friendly. And, I got this from people I knew and worked with. You probably get this from strangers at the checkout aisle...I'd just smile and not dwell on it.
roody
(10,849 posts)'Happy every day.'
La Lioness Priyanka
(53,866 posts)this has NEVER happened to me
Katashi_itto
(10,175 posts)CTyankee
(63,901 posts)champagne without asking...I had to laugh. I just said "nah, just give it to my husband. .." I'm a mom, but this sort of thing is annoying...
HiPointDem
(20,729 posts)CTyankee
(63,901 posts)Or were you asking why I gave the champagne to my husband?
HiPointDem
(20,729 posts)CTyankee
(63,901 posts)But it was morning and I had my coffee so I thought it was appropriate to give to my husband.
Nye Bevan
(25,406 posts)HOW DARE HE. That was an OUTRAGE.
CTyankee
(63,901 posts)free glass of champagne at brunch!
JustAnotherGen
(31,798 posts):lmao:
I also see - Your a mother. You MUST need a drink!
CTyankee
(63,901 posts)but I will toast my newest grandbaby, Jack:
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Squinch
(50,935 posts)a matter of time before someone here called the annoyance outrage.
It's annoying. We're allowed to say that.
name not needed
(11,660 posts)CTyankee
(63,901 posts)a neighborhood restaurant and bar "where everybody knows your name." Good people,, good times, my friend...
HiPointDem
(20,729 posts)why don't you direct your energy at something that matters?
treestar
(82,383 posts)There's no rationale for assuming all women of a certain age are mothers. If you don't know, you need to find out before saying it. It's not that hard. Like asking a fat woman when she is due - just not a good idea. There are times when it is OK to shut up.
uppityperson
(115,677 posts)assuming mother's day wishes are about the person's mom rather than the person.
treestar
(82,383 posts)Like we should all have a happy mother's day, mother or not. Then we could wish it for men, too. They have mothers.
Family story: curmudgeonly uncle didn't get his wife a mother's day card, said, "you're not my mother."
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magical thyme
(14,881 posts)s'nough for me although I'd like for a 2nd horse to join us.
okaawhatever
(9,461 posts)HockeyMom
(14,337 posts)as every male teacher is a Dad. They HAVE to be.
nolabear
(41,959 posts)Old and In the Way
(37,540 posts)It's all about you, isn't it? Jeesh, it must suck for you to be so insulted.
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Old and In the Way
(37,540 posts)PM me anytime.
procon
(15,805 posts)so why would it be anymore upsetting than "Happy Valentine's Day" if I didn't have a beau?
It's bad enough that we have the perennial rightwing barkers who go apoplectic over holiday greetings without trying to flog this sort of specious nonsense into an issue too.
99Forever
(14,524 posts)... to spend it shopping for petty, trivial crap to be pissed off about, eh buddy?
Lady Freedom Returns
(14,120 posts)I am also not a happy camper about the way Government and Charities treat you when you tell them you do not have kids.
Had one guy about, not quite, a year ago ask me how many, not if, kids did I have. I said I had none. His jaw dropped and he says "Are you sure?" He treated me as some sort of alien from outer space from then on out.
Squinch
(50,935 posts)and had, by his choice, not seen his son for 8 years - since the child was 8.
When he found out I had no kids, he said, "Don't you feel like your life is incomplete?"
Didn't have a second date.
Raine
(30,540 posts)so I just smile and say "thank you". I'm always glad when someone says something nice, why put them down for it. Why look to be insulted when none is intended.
Ikonoklast
(23,973 posts)LiberalAndProud
(12,799 posts)He said, "Thanks, but I'm not a mother."
I said, "Have a happy one anyway."
So, happy mother's day, RB TexLa.
GiaGiovanni
(1,247 posts)What's worse is when you've put on a little weight and people start asking you when the baby's due.
a la izquierda
(11,791 posts)I am a mommy. They are the only children I care to have.
Sen. Walter Sobchak
(8,692 posts)Yet, somehow I manage to navigate through life without being outraged by expressions of goodwill for various Jewish observances.
u4ic
(17,101 posts)Whatever greeting they give me, I assume it's either store policy (like Xmas greetings - as a Pagan, I'm not in the least bit offended) or they're just being polite and/or friendly.
arikara
(5,562 posts)Nor is it to do with "family values" which is nothing more than "keeping the little woman in her place". I was wished happy mother's day by a customer and I thought it was rather sweet. I heard a radio announcer wish happy mother's day to a male caller today and he was taken aback by it but accepted it with grace.
Codeine
(25,586 posts)One good DU tradition deserves another. . .
ProdigalJunkMail
(12,017 posts)should be required to lick the spoon...
what complete and utter bullshit feigned offense. laughable... but somehow sad.
sP
BeyondGeography
(39,367 posts)WinkyDink
(51,311 posts)AnnieBW
(10,422 posts)Mostly because my husband and I are infertile. I also have a very strained relationship with my own mother. I just smile and say that I'm a kitty-mommy.
Catherine Vincent
(34,488 posts)Zorra
(27,670 posts)PasadenaTrudy
(3,998 posts)Female = Breeder to most people. The cult of motherhood...yech!
uppityperson
(115,677 posts)PasadenaTrudy
(3,998 posts)get the red out
(13,461 posts)Too bad.
kestrel91316
(51,666 posts)over the hill to window shop and evaluate for a possible move. Everybody who said it did so with a cheery smile on their faces and obviously meant well.
I just say thank you and then say I don't have children. I don't expect any apology. And I don't find it offensive.
I only get peeved at the whole "family values" thing when it is used to deny me my rights. This doesn't.
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Lucinda
(31,170 posts)THAT bothers me, not someone wishing me well.
I celebrate the memory of my mom on Mothers Day, as well as be happy for all my friends who have chosen that path. Doesn't phase me at all if a stranger assumes I have children.
HappyMe
(20,277 posts)I find somebody shooting up a Mother's Day parade far more offensive.
JustAnotherGen
(31,798 posts)All day. Totally avoided it!
An animal is not for me. And I'm struggling. This is a heart wrenching experience that s filled with sadness and despair. If I had heard those words yesterday I might have responded with:
Oh go fuck yourself! You ever had an HSG with the catheter in? No? Well you would rather be kidnapped and experimented on by aliens than go through that in earth. Now go fuck yourself!
Better to stay in than be miserable to others. But I did speak with three other women in he same journey . . . and we all sent baby dust to each other.
Those words aren't offensive to people who have "Oops" stories or who think its "Easy'.
Skittles
(153,138 posts)and if it did I would not get upset; I'd just say I mother two cats
alc
(1,151 posts)my childless (by choice) sister-in-law demands a mother's day card every year because she considers her dogs to be her children. She chose to not be a mother but doesn't want to be left out of this "mother event".
NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)You have to be kidding. As I was wished it today, I thought about my mother. Wonderful thoughts.
alphafemale
(18,497 posts)Seriously...of all the bullshit reasons to be offended?
This ballz on takes the case.
HappyMe
(20,277 posts)than women supporting other women, there is a bunch of snarling about 'breeders'.
Good grief, it's only one day out of the year. I'm sure all of us here have a grandma, mom, aunt...or someone that could be honored on Mother's Day.
I am a mom. We were out and about yesterday, nobody 'offended' me by greeting me with Happy Mother's Day. I did hear those words from the only 2 people in the world that come first with me - my sons.
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alphafemale
(18,497 posts)You couldn't Make Up a better thread to make villains out of liberals.
Someone said Happy Mothers Day!!!!
Call the ACLU!
wwwaaaaahhh!
HappyMe
(20,277 posts)OP and some of the responses make us look like heartless jackasses.
LanternWaste
(37,748 posts)You are then concerned that some people greet other people in a particular way on a particular holiday? Is there then a standard greeting all people should share that does not offend...?
Or (and I find this more likely), someone needs a hug and wants attention again. Bless your little heart.
cbdo2007
(9,213 posts)so you have to spend a whole weekend now honoring everybody for Mother's Day even when they aren't a Mom because they have to make all days applicable to all people.
ieoeja
(9,748 posts)As an Atheist should I get upset when people wich me a Merry Christmas, Happy Chanukah or Scintillating Solstice? No. I'm happy for the well wishes.
HappyMe
(20,277 posts)The next year, on Mother's Day I got my dad a Mother's Day card. He got a Father's Day card and a little present too.
I don't see anything offensive about well wishes. There is so much nastiness and horror in the world today.....a few kind words won't hurt anybody.
uppityperson
(115,677 posts)marshall
(6,665 posts)The number is certainly growing, but it's still a safe bet to assume a woman of a certain age is a mother. And as has been pointed out, those who are child free have almost certainly nurtured someone at some point in their life.
Orrex
(63,197 posts)I would never accuse you of trolling, but I have to say that most trolls don't enjoy the same reply:OP ratio that you scored on this one.
Nicely done!
upaloopa
(11,417 posts)And in their mind they are doing something positive so their motivation is positive.
I think you are making much to do about nothing and I am 1/2 of a childless couple.
marions ghost
(19,841 posts)is my mother. (Or mother-in-law).
IMO it's bizarre to wish people you don't know a Happy Mothers Day.
It's like wishing strangers Happy Birthday or Merry Xmas when you have no idea. Now if somebody reads my birth date on an ID and wishes me HBD that's OK because they know.
Do fathers get this? While it isn't offensive, it's just strange...