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GoneOffShore

(17,339 posts)
Mon May 13, 2013, 12:12 PM May 2013

And yet another reason to stay out of the UAE.

http://au.news.yahoo.com/sunday-night/features/article/-/17094076/abandoned/

Dubai is being promoted as a luxury high-class paradise in the desert, but the reality is brutally different, as Australian Alicia Gali discovered. Gali took a job in the UAE with one of the world’s biggest hotel chains, Starwood. What happened next makes this story a must-watch for every Australian planning on travelling through the region.

Gali was using her laptop in the hotel’s staff bar when her drink was spiked. She awoke to a nightmare beyond belief: she had been savagely raped by three of her colleagues. Alone and frightened, she took herself to hospital. What Alicia didn’t know is that under the UAE’s strict sharia laws, if the perpetrator does not confess, a rape cannot be convicted without four adult Muslim male witnesses. She was charged with having illicit sex outside marriage, and thrown in a filthy jail cell for eight months.


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And yet another reason to stay out of the UAE. (Original Post) GoneOffShore May 2013 OP
Israel is the only country to consider visiting in that part of the world. Dawson Leery May 2013 #1
And I wouldn't go there either. GoneOffShore May 2013 #3
+1 Dawson Leery May 2013 #4
I'm sorry but that's absurd cali May 2013 #17
No that's so, but they are big on slut shaming and bronze age codes of conduct GoneOffShore May 2013 #20
omg uponit7771 May 2013 #2
Breaking News: A foreign country behaves different than home NightWatcher May 2013 #5
Lots of money spent marketing places like Dubai. geek tragedy May 2013 #6
So it's her own fault? Wow. Demoiselle May 2013 #11
still sucks big time, and well worth pointing out NoMoreWarNow May 2013 #13
Did you actually read the news story? GoneOffShore May 2013 #21
It's hard to feel sorry for people who are either wilfully ignorant or reckless. snagglepuss May 2013 #7
Neither of these women seemed the slightest bit reckless and as far as ignorant goes, Dubai stevenleser May 2013 #10
Easy peasy to get information how dangerous Dubai can be for Westerners snagglepuss May 2013 #15
your post is fucking sick and disgusting. there is NOTHING to indicate cali May 2013 #18
BS. It's pure arrogence to travel to another country and not know it's laws. snagglepuss May 2013 #19
This is one of many reasons I object to Sharia and support Femen and other feminist protests against stevenleser May 2013 #8
Understood, though my views are more complicated, closeupready May 2013 #14
Fundies are fucking useless snooper2 May 2013 #9
I've been to Dubai and its glitz and glitter hide a lot of ugliness mainer May 2013 #12
There is something wrong with this story. You do NOT need four wittinesses. happyslug May 2013 #16

GoneOffShore

(17,339 posts)
3. And I wouldn't go there either.
Mon May 13, 2013, 12:49 PM
May 2013

The fundamentalists are pushing their agenda onto the non religious more and more.

It's a great shame.

 

cali

(114,904 posts)
17. I'm sorry but that's absurd
Mon May 13, 2013, 03:16 PM
May 2013

lots of reasons not to go to Israel, but that one is pretty ridiculous. There's actually increasing backlash on the fundamentalists there and they certainly aren't going to throw you in jail if you're a victim of rape.

GoneOffShore

(17,339 posts)
20. No that's so, but they are big on slut shaming and bronze age codes of conduct
Mon May 13, 2013, 07:32 PM
May 2013

When they stop with the repression of women and the rest of the religiously insane nonsense maybe Israel would be worth a visit.

Though I look on Israel, along with most of the middle east, as places that aren't on my "most wanted to visit" list. Most of it having to do with the culture and some of it to do with the weather.

NightWatcher

(39,343 posts)
5. Breaking News: A foreign country behaves different than home
Mon May 13, 2013, 01:03 PM
May 2013

I'm still surprised when people are surprised that foreign countries act foreign.

Who knew you couldn't go to a region that gives women no rights, rapes, and kills them without cause and expect to have a great time just like back home in a civilized place like Austrailia or Europe?

 

geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)
6. Lots of money spent marketing places like Dubai.
Mon May 13, 2013, 01:06 PM
May 2013

Not so much money marketing the primitive sharia laws that hundreds of millions of people live under.

GoneOffShore

(17,339 posts)
21. Did you actually read the news story?
Mon May 13, 2013, 07:35 PM
May 2013

Woman is raped. Woman reports said rape. Woman is arrested and held in jail.

As I said in my subject line - another reason to stay out of the UAE>

snagglepuss

(12,704 posts)
7. It's hard to feel sorry for people who are either wilfully ignorant or reckless.
Mon May 13, 2013, 01:08 PM
May 2013

THis story reminds me of people sailing their boats in areas known for piracy.

 

stevenleser

(32,886 posts)
10. Neither of these women seemed the slightest bit reckless and as far as ignorant goes, Dubai
Mon May 13, 2013, 01:29 PM
May 2013

represents itself as a western party town. It doesnt advertise that you can easily fall prey to Sharia law issues.

snagglepuss

(12,704 posts)
15. Easy peasy to get information how dangerous Dubai can be for Westerners
Mon May 13, 2013, 03:04 PM
May 2013

I just googled Dubai westnerers arrested and came up with loads of cases

 

cali

(114,904 posts)
18. your post is fucking sick and disgusting. there is NOTHING to indicate
Mon May 13, 2013, 03:17 PM
May 2013

that this woman did anything reckless or that ignorance played into her victimization.

sick shit blaming the victim and excusing the perps and the culture.

 

stevenleser

(32,886 posts)
8. This is one of many reasons I object to Sharia and support Femen and other feminist protests against
Mon May 13, 2013, 01:20 PM
May 2013

it.

 

closeupready

(29,503 posts)
14. Understood, though my views are more complicated,
Mon May 13, 2013, 02:56 PM
May 2013

as you probably know. Certainly, I support women's equality.

mainer

(12,022 posts)
12. I've been to Dubai and its glitz and glitter hide a lot of ugliness
Mon May 13, 2013, 02:48 PM
May 2013

For the tourist, it seems like a weird, over-the-top version of Vegas.

For those who work there (many of them poor Filipinos or Indians) it's a cage where you have no rights. Even if you're third-generation living in UAE, you cannot become a citizen. Of the entire population in the UAE, only 10% are citizens. So it's 90% servants tending to the 10% privileged. And those privileged don't even know how to work.

 

happyslug

(14,779 posts)
16. There is something wrong with this story. You do NOT need four wittinesses.
Mon May 13, 2013, 03:12 PM
May 2013

Mohammad ruled it requires four witnesses to testify about a woman being UNFAITHFUL to her husband, but RAPE is another story altogether. There has NEVER been a requirement for four witnesses to rape in Islamic law.

In a similar incident a British woman was raped, but two of the rapists were JAILED for the crime (The third skipped town):
http://gulfnews.com/news/gulf/uae/general/call-me-a-survivor-says-gang-raped-woman-in-dubai-1.1155077

Now UAE has a ban on drinking that is NOT enforced in the Hotels, but will be enforced if a rape victim goes to the Police and said she had been drinking, thus you get reports of victims being fined while the rapist walk:

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/briton-says-she-was-raped-in-the-uae--but-gets-fined-for-drinking-8390574.html

The Police then look for the Rapists, but that is a separate crime from using alcohol in the UAE. If The rapist are caught, they are Jailed UNLESS the rapist have political connections then they walk. This reflects the Tribal nature of the UAE, a victim's family is suppose to force the issue not the courts. If no extended family is involved (as in the above case with the British woman being rapped and her Iranian rapists going to jail), the courts have a simple time with jailing such rapists. On the other hand, if the victim is raped by someone from one of the tribes of the UAE, the UAE courts will stay out of the dispute unless forced to do so by the actions of the Victim's family. If a native UAE woman was the victim, her family will force the issue, but using one's extended family has NOT been the practice in the West since the Catholic Church outlawed Marrying one's cousin in the Dark Ages (Marrying Cousins is one way an extended family strengthen itself against outside forces).

Sorry, this sounds like the victim was raped by someone with Political Connections with one of the extended families (Otherwise known as "Clans" or "Tribes&quot of the UAE. The Rapist may being members of such a family and can count on that family's protection. The Victim may be trying to force her Government to do what her "Tribe" would have done had she been a member of a Arabic Tribe. Will her Government put the pressure on the UAE?

Just a comment that something is NOT as it is written in this report.

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