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xchrom

(108,903 posts)
Tue May 14, 2013, 08:39 AM May 2013

So This Is How It Begins: Guy Refuses to Stop Drone-Spying on Seattle Woman

http://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2013/05/so-this-is-how-it-begins-guy-refuses-to-stop-drone-spying-on-seattle-woman/275769/




Back in October, Alexis wrote a piece asking what rights do we have with regard to the air above our property. Walk onto someone's lawn and you're trespassing; fly over it in a helicopter and you're in the clear -- "the air is a public highway," the Supreme Court declared in 1946. But what about the in-between space? Does the availability of unmanned aerial vehicles (aka drones, aka UAVs) throw a wrench in the old legal understandings?

Well, here's where the rubber meets the road for this abstract line of questioning. The Capitol Hill Seattle Blog is reporting a complaint it received from a resident in the Miller Park neighborhood. She writes:

This afternoon, a stranger set an aerial drone into flight over my yard and beside my house near Miller Playfield. I initially mistook its noisy buzzing for a weed-whacker on this warm spring day. After several minutes, I looked out my third-story window to see a drone hovering a few feet away. My husband went to talk to the man on the sidewalk outside our home who was operating the drone with a remote control, to ask him to not fly his drone near our home. The man insisted that it is legal for him to fly an aerial drone over our yard and adjacent to our windows. He noted that the drone has a camera, which transmits images he viewed through a set of glasses. He purported to be doing "research". We are extremely concerned, as he could very easily be a criminal who plans to break into our house or a peeping-tom.

The site adds, "The woman tells us she called police but they decided not to show up when the man left."
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So This Is How It Begins: Guy Refuses to Stop Drone-Spying on Seattle Woman (Original Post) xchrom May 2013 OP
skeet target eShirl May 2013 #1
Don't even need a gun - good sling shot should fill the bill.... Junkdrawer May 2013 #4
That's what I was thinking. slingshot will take it out. hobbit709 May 2013 #15
What you said (with a few embellishments) TalkingDog May 2013 #19
Or paint balls... (What goes up must come down).... Junkdrawer May 2013 #20
For city dwellers hose or paintball. Out where I live, it might hit a tree on the way down. TalkingDog May 2013 #27
In the county, shotgun.... Junkdrawer May 2013 #28
In a close-in residential neighborhood? Robb May 2013 #5
Or a paintball gun.... Junkdrawer May 2013 #7
perhaps even a garden hose with a decent sprayer nozzle eShirl May 2013 #11
BEST idea yet Junkdrawer May 2013 #13
I hear that. Or miniature SAMs. Buzz Clik May 2013 #17
Kids -and adults- play with remote controlled helicopters and such all the time. randome May 2013 #2
"not sure what can be done about something like this"? FSogol May 2013 #3
Yeah, I guess there would be 'peeping tom' laws on the books. randome May 2013 #6
I expect that we'll see a lot of 1/2" nuts flying these things. Orrex May 2013 #8
1/2" nuts MATCHING the 1/4"..... Junkdrawer May 2013 #16
LOL - Great Minds.... Junkdrawer May 2013 #10
Now this where a shot gun comes in handy. upaloopa May 2013 #9
New business opportunity Lurker Deluxe May 2013 #12
I've got a power washer that would seriously fuck that drone up! 11 Bravo May 2013 #14
A realistic nude mannequin with laser beam eyes might work. hunter May 2013 #18
Austin Powers: The Fembots siligut May 2013 #21
I can sympathize with the creeped-out lady IrishAyes May 2013 #22
Laser time Shankapotomus May 2013 #23
Pellet gun would take care of this problem nicely. DCBob May 2013 #24
a few ideas Locrian May 2013 #25
I wanna see a power washer take it down. ProudToBeBlueInRhody May 2013 #26
Get out the fishing rod and cast a line over it while it's hovering. Ganja Ninja May 2013 #29
Where do we draw the line? SlipperySlope May 2013 #30
Using it outside someone's window seems like a good place to draw a line. (NT) Heywood J May 2013 #31
Ready to go! rgbecker May 2013 #34
Cheap 1500 psi powerwasher jet nozzle destroyed copter...let em cry Drew Richards May 2013 #32
Was at Radio Shack store today.... rgbecker May 2013 #33

TalkingDog

(9,001 posts)
19. What you said (with a few embellishments)
Tue May 14, 2013, 11:20 AM
May 2013

Get a Wrist Rocket.Get some Ball Bearings. Wear Neoprene gloves when
handling the ball bearings. Practice, practice, practice. Extrapolate from this point.

Junkdrawer

(27,993 posts)
20. Or paint balls... (What goes up must come down)....
Tue May 14, 2013, 11:31 AM
May 2013

Several have said garden hose or powerwasher - even better idea.

TalkingDog

(9,001 posts)
27. For city dwellers hose or paintball. Out where I live, it might hit a tree on the way down.
Tue May 14, 2013, 01:54 PM
May 2013

Or possibly a squirrel, raccoon or possum.

Our well doesn't have much pressure. But paintballs in a wrist rocket sounds like a winner.

Robb

(39,665 posts)
5. In a close-in residential neighborhood?
Tue May 14, 2013, 08:56 AM
May 2013

Bullets fired into the air come down eventually, y'know.

 

randome

(34,845 posts)
2. Kids -and adults- play with remote controlled helicopters and such all the time.
Tue May 14, 2013, 08:47 AM
May 2013

Kites in the nearby schoolyard go over houses sometimes, too.

Probably some of these could be outfitted with cameras so I'm not sure what can be done about something like this.

I suppose it's still illegal in most places -if not all- to be spying on someone but how would you know if someone was doing that? Maybe it would be considered 'causing a public disturbance' if you harassed someone by flying too close to their home.

Just because the airspace is public doesn't mean you have a right to hover and record.

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FSogol

(45,446 posts)
3. "not sure what can be done about something like this"?
Tue May 14, 2013, 08:53 AM
May 2013

Buy a wrist rocket (a type of high powered sling shot) and see how many 1/2" nuts it takes to bring it down.

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_2zrKb3W_Jig/TKDiPyeu6SI/AAAAAAAAA7w/PSIiJwRfaAI/s1600/Wrist+Rocket.jpg

They also need to go talk to the Police Captain at the local Station. A peeping tom is a peeping tom no matter whether he uses technology or not. The officers might not get that, but the Captain will.

 

randome

(34,845 posts)
6. Yeah, I guess there would be 'peeping tom' laws on the books.
Tue May 14, 2013, 08:57 AM
May 2013

Of course now they have to find the guy again. Although it could have been that he was just testing out his new toy.

The woman said it was 'a few feet' away. Could have been an exaggeration. Maybe it wasn't.

It's not necessarily a peeping tom incident but it wouldn't hurt to remind him -again, if they can find him- that there are laws against spying on people.

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Lurker Deluxe

(1,036 posts)
12. New business opportunity
Tue May 14, 2013, 09:19 AM
May 2013

Are your neighbors spying on you with a drone?

Tired of that camera perched over your swimming pool?

Our service provides you with the new "anti drone drone". Fully automated and hassle free, simply set up our new self contained launch pad and carry this handy laser pointer with you at all times. A simple press of a button and a point of the laser and our drone goes to work destroying the intruder. With the optional video accessory you can film the event and our website has a score card to keep track of your "kills".

hunter

(38,302 posts)
18. A realistic nude mannequin with laser beam eyes might work.
Tue May 14, 2013, 11:07 AM
May 2013

One could gather up quite a collection of downed spy drones.

siligut

(12,272 posts)
21. Austin Powers: The Fembots
Tue May 14, 2013, 11:32 AM
May 2013
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They had ballistic boobs, but lasers would have worked as well.

IrishAyes

(6,151 posts)
22. I can sympathize with the creeped-out lady
Tue May 14, 2013, 11:36 AM
May 2013

Because I had a peeper one time. Well, technically. I'd just moved in the night before and didn't have the windows covered yet. No fence up either, of course. The chows were so stressed and exhausted that I'd given them a sedative for the night and they were out like a light. But I heard a tapping on the window of the living room where we'd crashed, and when I looked in that direction I saw the ugliest mug imaginable pressed tightly against the pane. Think Don Knotts after being kicked by a mule and you'll know what I mean.

I screamed instinctively which woke the dogs and they started their noise, so the guy jumped back. When I ran outside to confront the old coot, leaving the dogs inside, he was shaking like a leaf. He claimed he only wanted to talk to me and ask if I was going to have a yard sale since there were still various items on my porch. Which was probably true or else why did he announce himself. I spoke to him rather sharply and warned him that if he ever came around again, I'd let the chows have their way with him. He toddled away as fast as he could. Having decided he must be a bit dotty I never called the police and the guy never came back, of course. But it was still scary and I had bad dreams for awhile.

But yeah, I like the paintball solution best for electronic spies.

ProudToBeBlueInRhody

(16,399 posts)
26. I wanna see a power washer take it down.
Tue May 14, 2013, 11:44 AM
May 2013

Then....whoops, I accidentally stepped on it and crushed it when it came down. Then I'd tell asswipe he can't come on my property to pick it up.

Wonder what the shitbag operating it would cry about then.

Ganja Ninja

(15,953 posts)
29. Get out the fishing rod and cast a line over it while it's hovering.
Tue May 14, 2013, 02:15 PM
May 2013

Then just reel it in and keep it.

SlipperySlope

(2,751 posts)
30. Where do we draw the line?
Tue May 14, 2013, 04:48 PM
May 2013

The last few weekends I've been flying a quadcopter like this with my daughters. We've flown it in our neighborhood and in some open space.



It is basically a radio-controlled toy but light-years ahead of where radio-controlled toys were when I was a child.

This model doesn't contain a camera but it is strong enough to lift a small one. For fun I had been thinking about velcroing a camera like this to the bottom so we could record a "birds eye view" of our flights.



With just a little more electronics (and maybe one step up to a bigger quadcopter) we could add a live transmission of what the copter was seeing, and maybe even try flying it via FPV (first person view).

All of the above is what hobbyists can do today using a handful of off the shelf parts. And when I look at what I'm doing with my daughters I just see a dad having fun with his kids and hopefully teaching them some knowledge about aerodynamics and electronics. I see nothing I'm doing that is even close to what should be banned.

I agree there is some line that shouldn't be crossed with these things. But putting a video camera on a radio controlled aircraft is not something new, and isn't something inherently suspicious. It is just that the technology is getting better and cheaper and more in reach of the average hobbyist.

rgbecker

(4,820 posts)
33. Was at Radio Shack store today....
Tue May 14, 2013, 09:23 PM
May 2013

Noticed they were selling a remote controled helicopter with video camera for $99.99.

WTF?

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