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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsEric Holder NEEDS to be fired, enough is enough
the man is an embarrassment to America.
bigdarryl
(13,190 posts)He didn't write the current laws you can thank the Congress for the PATRIOT ACT that's where a lot of this is coming from.If you think a replacement AG is going to be any better than Holder your mistaken they will follow the same bullshit patriot act rules.
DainBramaged
(39,191 posts)who is going after medical marijuana uses, the Republicans or Holder?
(crickets)
Has his own agenda, and I doubt it's the President's.
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(3,731 posts)Liberal_Stalwart71
(20,450 posts)marijuana. Holder's job is to enforce the laws, not repeal them.
Try again.
AgingAmerican
(12,958 posts)I can smoke a joint on my porch, no problem. People smoke it on the street here now. The cops don't even care. You were saying?
Liberal_Stalwart71
(20,450 posts)to repeal federal laws prohibiting the possession and use of marijuana and I'm right there with you. I don't disagree that these are stupid laws, but those laws still exist. Give me a Congress that will repeal these laws.
truedelphi
(32,324 posts)That would have the cajones to appoint an Attorney general who would re-schedule the substance to de-criminalize or totally legalize it.
Ain't gonna happen under Obama or Clinton, should l she win in 2016. Those two are far too willing to help their buddies in Big Pharma and the Big Privatized Prison industry.
Liberal_Stalwart71
(20,450 posts)for enacting or repealing laws. The president doesn't have the authority to subvert the law, not himself nor his attorney general.
truedelphi
(32,324 posts)Power of the Attorney General.
Right now, marijuana is Schedule One. If it was made Schedule Five, it wouldn't be much different than coffee.
Please get educated about the law regarding this. Thank you!
randome
(34,845 posts)Holder makes a move like you suggested, Congress moves at light speed to forbid it. Because, after all, they don't want to appear 'soft' on drugs, especially when there is a black man in office who might take credit for reclassification.
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(3,731 posts)no, no,no, let's not upset the money maker for LE.
You're right, Congress would move faster than they have in the last 20 years to put a stop to that happening.
Liberal_Stalwart71
(20,450 posts)Liberal_Stalwart71
(20,450 posts)laws. Federal laws supersede state laws. Get educated on that.
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(3,731 posts)but states can refuse to enforce Fed. law, forcing the Feds to come in and enforce those laws, states can also refuse to contribute any assets, IE: facilities, personnel, info, to help the Feds.
Liberal_Stalwart71
(20,450 posts)Those are good, current examples.
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(3,731 posts)The Fed can punish states by withholding things like Highway funds, Education funds, things like that.
Liberal_Stalwart71
(20,450 posts)environmental air quality regulations. This was under the Nixon administration. And as much nonsense that the Republicans spew, they want transportation and infrastructure funds. They voted against the stimulus, but in private, wrote letters for former Transportation Secretary, Ray LaHood begging for transportation funds. UGH!!
truedelphi
(32,324 posts)I have repeatedly pointed out to people on this board that state laws do NOT trump fed laws.
However, regarding the scheduling of Marijuana, I provide this from Jon Walker, of "Just Say "NOW!" (Whose writing can be re-printed elsewhere, "fair use copyright" in efforts to educate the public on the marijuana issue.)
« Majority of New York Voters Want Marijuana Legalization
Dear Washington and Colorado Tokers: The Whole World Is Watching »
Obama Doesnt Need Congress to Change Federal Law Regarding Marijuana
By: Jon Walker Friday December 14, 2012 7:25 am
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When it comes to how he has handled the federal/state conflict regarding medical marijuana and he will handle now that two states have adopted full legalization, President Obama has a habit of lying to try to shift responsibility on to Congress. Once again, in an interview with Barbara Walters that will air this evening, Obama heavily implied that he would need Congress to change marijuanas legal status. From ABC News:
Obama told Walters he does not at this point support widespread legalization of marijuana. But he cited shifting public opinion and limited government resources as reasons to find a middle ground on punishing use of the drug.
This is a tough problem, because Congress has not yet changed the law, Obama said. I head up the executive branch; were supposed to be carrying out laws. And so what were going to need to have is a conversation about, How do you reconcile a federal law that still says marijuana is a federal offense and state laws that say that its legal?
With 99 percent of federal laws this would be the case, but the Controlled Substance Act is fairly unique. The law explicitly gives the executive branch the right to change the legal status of any drug without Congressional involvement. If the administration, after examining the latest scientific research, determines that cannabis shouldnt be Schedule I it has the power to move it to a lower schedule, which would make medical marijuana legal under federal law, or even unschedule it all together, which would effectively legalize it.
Several sitting governors in states with medical marijuana have petitioned Obama asking him to reschedule marijuana, and currently the Obama administration is actually fighting an effort in federal court to get the executive branch to provide a legitimate review of marijuana. There is no reason Obama cant simply stop fighting the case and reschedule marijuana without needing to involve Congress.
Of course there are many political and regulator reasons why it would be better for Congress to adopted a new law tailored to address the issue, but the point is Obama isnt helplessly constrained by federal law on this matter like he pretends to be. The federal law currently gives Obama incredibly wide latitude on this issue, including the ability to unilaterally change marijuanas legal status.
tularetom
(23,664 posts)But Holder has a perfect record on those counts.
Perfect in the sense that he hasn't done jack shit about them.
Since it's his job to enforce the laws he might at least try to put a few banksters or torturers behind bars.
This is precisely the problem with this attorney general.
And this administration. In a nutshell.
randome
(34,845 posts)So how would you prosecute someone?
As for the bankers, deregulation is more of a culprit here, and that's Congress' responsibility.
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Liberal_Stalwart71
(20,450 posts)industry. That problem existed long before Holder got to D.C. So again, can you tell me which specific laws were broken?
truedelphi
(32,324 posts)Regarding credit card debt. And much of that debt has already expired.
Here in California there is a four year rule - if you don't pay on a credit card for four years, the debt is not enforceable. Unless the bank that holds the credit card gets your signature saying you are willing to pay.
So guess what is happening?
randome
(34,845 posts)Most of those the DOJ has gone after has been at the behest of local authorities. Others were flagrantly violating federal law.
You really want to fire the head of the department that enforces federal laws?
Do you have an agenda?
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DainBramaged
(39,191 posts)randome
(34,845 posts)Again, with more than 2000 dispensaries operating, Holder is merely enforcing federal law for those that flagrantly violate it or for those local authorities want shut down.
And he is NOT enforcing it for those that are squeaky clean.
I don't see how anyone can fault him on this subject since he is doing the job he was hired to do.
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Bluenorthwest
(45,319 posts)Holder forced the State of Oregon to give them records of all patients and growers in our program, they did not wish to do so. We have no dispensaries to speak of. Each participant is registered with our State, address of all grows, with the State, total compliance and yet Holder hassles the State to divulge records they did not want to share. All of us here are easily as clean as AIG or Goldman, sweetness.
Obama and Holder make this a high priority in the face of terrorist attacks, which Obama promised he'd not do. He lied. Period.
"Federal agents have forced the Oregon Public Health Division to turn over an untold number of patients medical marijuana records, according to court records recently uncovered by the Seattle Post-Intelligencer."
http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2013/04/12/feds-force-oregon-to-surrender-medical-marijuana-patient-records/
Federal will imposed on the State without any stated reason. Investigating us all for not bowing to King Eric.
randome
(34,845 posts)And how is this closing anything down?
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Bluenorthwest
(45,319 posts)probable cause to look. They did not say at whom, or what their reasons were, they did not share that information with the State either. We don't know if they took ALL records or some. They simply can not have probable cause against many in this program which is very different from CA's in that each grow and plant is registered with the State, address and the works. There is no secret from the authorities in question. None.
The State did not want them to take these records, upthread you say DOJ actions are at behest oft the locals and that is the opposite of the truth here in Oregon, also in WA....
They still have not shared the basis of this probable cause to anyone in the State of Oregon. Suspicion alone is not probable cause. Some 'authorities' suspect all minority members, for example. To say 'we suspect' is not enough. Do you think some 'official' being suspicious is good enough reason for whatever they wish to do? Really?
Also, this is a shitty priority to have while we have violent crime and terror attacks to deal with. Huge waste of time on vague nonsense.
randome
(34,845 posts)You can't turn a blind eye to federal law, at least not completely. You need to give at least give the impression that federal law is still the law of the land.
Although Holder got away with not enforcing DOMA because it was simply unenforceable and was up for Supreme Court interpretation.
It's not a good situation, no doubt about it. But with 2000 dispensaries currently operating, he clearly is not trying to close them all down, only those he thinks he can 'get away with' in order to show that the DOJ is 'on the ball'.
It's not pretty.
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Bluenorthwest
(45,319 posts)rhetorical bluster and veering toward the offensive. To say they stopped enforcing DOMA is false. DOMA is enforce. The Federal Government enforces it constantly, using tax code and immigration law, Social Security regulations,you name it they enforce it thousands of times a day against us, for it is the law.
After years of defending DOMA in court using deeply offensive and unneeded bigoted language, Eric and Obama eventually stopped defending the law in court. But they and all of the Federal Government full enforce DOMA at great personal cost to good Americans.
Words mean things. DOMA fleeced us at taxtime, in service to Sanctity and Gawd, in your name that was done to us. Want to cut us a check? Or would you rather admit that DOMA is the fully carried out and functionally enforced law of the land?
randome
(34,845 posts)It was ruled unconstitutional last month by a federal judge, no? And Obama in 2011 told Holder to not enforce it. I don't know all the ramifications beyond those two events. I thought DOMA was now trash, other than awaiting a final SC ruling.
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Bluenorthwest
(45,319 posts)The enforcement is fully engaged. Not enforced would mean equality under tax and other laws. It would mean equal, it would mean the Feds could no longer make us file single as they do, and they do. Force us to. Penalty of law.
I'm sorry, but ever since they 'stopped defending' DOMA, many 'moderate centrists' breathlessly declare that it is 'not enforced'. First time I saw it they attacked Dan Choi for continuing to call for equality 'even though DOMA is no longer enforced,what is it he wants?'
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DainBramaged
(39,191 posts)Some folks just want to be ornery.
You did your best, I am out of medals....
SoCalMusicLover
(3,194 posts)Can we do that with the banks also?
AgingAmerican
(12,958 posts)The local authorities here in Washington state have been working with the dispensaries to protect them from the Federal government.
When Washington state passed it's first dispensary law, Holder came in and told the governor that if she signed the law, the Feds would arrest any state employee that assisted in carrying out that law.
Because of that threat, the law didn't get signed. The state now has a co-op law where the patients run the dispensaries as non profits. This law was set up to protect patients from the Feds. Holder is now going after the patient co-ops. It never ends with this lose clown. He needs to go.
randome
(34,845 posts)But the DOJ is holding back on going after shops since Washington legalized. They are restricting their operations to those shops that are within 1000 feet of a school.
http://seattletimes.com/html/localnews/2020902577_potdispensariesxml.html
Maybe that's true, maybe that's not. All I'm saying is that Holder is not the 'Mr. Evil' some want to paint him as.
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Bluenorthwest
(45,319 posts)"Most of those the DOJ has gone after has been at the behest of local authorities. " Those are your words and they are not supported by the facts, not by the statements of the State of Oregon,Washington, Colorado....
Now you bring in this specious schools thing, which is again an assertion you fail to support. No one said "Mr Evil' we are discussing an important issue that is life or death for some. You have no facts so you switch your goal posts and use hyperbole. It shows.
AgingAmerican
(12,958 posts)Pot is legal here. Even the police side with legal use.
randome
(34,845 posts)Not intending to move any goal posts at all. But opening up shop within 1000 feet of a school or whatever other institutions they identify is a very bad idea if one wants to continue selling to patients.
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Bluenorthwest
(45,319 posts)exactly that, there is NO Federal law that offers metrics which allow for zoning of a medical marijuana clinic. Under Federal law, the law you cite, there is no provision about distance from schools at all. No distinction is made between one location and the other, for the Feds say they are ALL in flagrant violation' of their law, which is an absolute prohibition with no exclusions at all.
So your argument is specious, made up out of law that does not exist. It also does not explain the seizure of records from the State of Oregon against the will of the State of Oregon.
Your pretense that Federal Law makes distance from schools a matter of concern is simply false.
randome
(34,845 posts)To a minor or within 1000 ft of a school, or other specified areas carries a double penalty.
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Bluenorthwest
(45,319 posts)Most of what you type is simply incorrect riffing. 'It's at the behest of the locals' but it is not. 'It's about those who break Federal Law'. But they all break Federal law, that IS the entire issue at hand.
To make your nonsense work, Eric would have to announce actual Federal parameters to meet under which State Law would be respected. He just goes after people, he never says 'here is what you did wrong and here is how to be in compliance'. See the difference? There is no way to be in compliance, you just wish to pretend that there is because you want to excuse this bullshit.
The People say it is legal. Eric is upset about that, and wishes to control the people. I'm with the people. Eric does not make the law. Nor should he be allowed to make up the law as he goes along.
If elections don't matter, if the people are not the source of power, the Eric and Barack and the lot of them are without legal standing, for their authority is derived from the same place as our marijuana laws, the ballot box.
randome
(34,845 posts)Holder is clearly NOT following federal law when he allows SOME dispensaries to remain open. And he IS following federal law when he closes some down. It's a schizophrenic attitude toward law enforcement, no doubt about that.
If he wanted to control the people, why does he leave 2000 dispensaries operating? Not enough time on his hands, I guess? That would be a fair argument. But I think he's straddling the line here. Maybe he should not be straddling it but I think that's what he's doing.
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Bluenorthwest
(45,319 posts)intimidation are evidence that Eric is moving to close all such clinics in all States, methodically and without looking like a nationwide jackbooted crackdown. The fact that Eric has not YET closed all of them does not mean he does not want to or plan to. Your choice of the word 'allows' is very incorrect, not one has been told they are allowed to remain open, 100% are in daily fear. By your logic, when we see a speeder not yet ticketed the cops are allowing them to go 130 MPH on the interstate. Because they have not stopped him. Yet.
Nothing is 'allowed' nothing has been deemed 'in compliance', there are only those who have been closed and the rest who have only been threatened and intimidated.
randome
(34,845 posts)I welcome being wrong. And I agree it is not a healthy environment to be operating a dispensary -especially one that actively tries to stay within federal law- under penalty of abrupt closure.
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AgingAmerican
(12,958 posts)Washington's top federal prosecutors have threatened to crack down if the state goes forward with a proposal to legalize medical-marijuana dispensaries and growers, putting in jeopardy a bill that has already passed both chambers of the Legislature.
In a letter to Gov. Chris Gregoire on Thursday, U.S. Attorneys Jenny Durkan of Seattle and Michael Ormsby of Spokane wrote that the bill would undermine drug enforcement and could result in an array of prosecutions or civil penalties against dispensary owners and growers, as well as against state regulators enforcing the proposed law.
"And state employees who would inspect and audit dispensaries and growers under the bill "would not be immune from liability" under federal drug laws, the prosecutors wrote."
randome
(34,845 posts)The bill, SB 5073, is the most sweeping rewrite yet of the 1998 initiative legalizing medical marijuana. It is a response to pressure from municipal governments and police unsettled about a statewide boom in dispensaries, which were neither specifically allowed nor banned under existing law.
I don't understand the technicalities involved but apparently there were already some dispensaries in operation that the DOJ did not go after? They are only doing it now because of this new bill.
Maybe it's bullshit to be going about things this way. I don't know what is in SB5073 and, even if I did, it's probably written incomprehensibly like most legislation.
But my point remains: if there were dispensaries allowed to operate in Washington before this bill, then obviously the DOJ was not trying to shut them all down.
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AgingAmerican
(12,958 posts)That's why it was written, to stop the Feds from harassing dispensaries.
So the Feds threatened to prosecute any state employee that carried out the law. That is why the co-op law came into play. Now the Feds are going after the patient co-ops.
It never ends.
randome
(34,845 posts)I have a hard time thinking that Holder simply has it in for Oregon when he leaves 2000 other dispensaries alone.
I'm saying there's probably a reason. Maybe not a good one but there probably is one.
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DainBramaged
(39,191 posts)AgingAmerican
(12,958 posts)I know about Washington.
Here in Washington, Holder went after high profile dispensaries. Probably because going after every dispensary would be prohibitively expensive.
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(3,731 posts)to the rest of the dispensaries, either toe the fed. line or else.
madokie
(51,076 posts)has been because they were breaking the law they were saying protected them from the intrusion.
randome
(34,845 posts)...most of the time it appears to be something like this. In Orange County, residents wanted them closed down. Other locations, state authorities often requested federal help in closing down facilities.
That's not the case all the time but if often is. And with 2000 dispensaries operating, I find it not credible to say that Holder is out to close them all.
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madokie
(51,076 posts)I didn't mean to imply that the DOJ was to be trusted 100%
AnotherMcIntosh
(11,064 posts)limitation run against the prosecution of the banksters.
When he leaves the office he is going to be a very rich man.
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geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)The two administration officials that get scorned with the most hatred in the Internet world are Eric Holder and the President himself.
What do they have in common?
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cui bono
(19,926 posts)are "so-called 'progressives'"?
Your scale is really off balance. Or are you saying that people who blindly support Obama and Holder are extreme right wingers? Because that's where they would land if what you say is true.
The people you are calling "so-called 'progressives'" are the ones trying to defend democracy, not just one man with a D after his name. The people who defend no matter what are the ones you should concern yourself with.
AgingAmerican
(12,958 posts)to steal 40% of the net wealth from the middle class should have answered for their crimes, or not? Only progressives feel that way? Seriously?
How is that hate? Explain.
hughee99
(16,113 posts)Is that neither is willing to prosecute the criminals that nearly destroyed the global economy and lied us into TWO wars?
No, that couldn't possibly be it. It must be because they are African American.
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)hughee99
(16,113 posts)One group got us into 2 wars that resulted in tens of thousands of lives lost and cost more than a trillion dollars. The other group of people nearly crashed the global economy with their recklessness and then got many of the same people they screwed over to bail them out. Some people like to suck toes, some like to dress up as furry animals, others think people whose activities that had such far reaching effects should at least be seriously investigated and prosecuted if evidence of wrongdoing is found. Everyone's got their little quirks.
cui bono
(19,926 posts)Prosecuting for war crimes is a fetish? Prosecuting the banksters is a fetish? What world do you live in?
AgingAmerican
(12,958 posts)randome
(34,845 posts)And war crimes? Do you have any inkling of how difficult that would be to prosecute? Cheney and Bush in jail? Is that what you want? So do many of us. But it's not going to happen.
Lying is not against the law, even when done by the Commander In Chief.
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cui bono
(19,926 posts)The poster is using that term presumably in an attempt to belittle whoever they're talking about. And the only result is the poster using the term looks foolish. There's no fetish in desiring justice.
And I don't think you are correct in there being nothing to prosecute regarding the banksters. I've read/heard something where there were violations, cooking the books, lying to investors, illegal foreclosures etc... Although I agree with you, deregulation started the whole ball rolling and of course they're going to jump on something advantageous to them if it's made legal.
Liberal_Stalwart71
(20,450 posts)cilla4progress
(24,588 posts)"Now" - "it's hard for two brothers at the top."
High tech lynching indeed. I'm just hoping Holder WANTS to leave, and Obama, et al. figured out for him to take the fall on this to defuse righty attacks on them. I.e., OK, a**holes, you got your guy. Now back to MY agenda."
I mean, they've been out for Holder from the beginning.
I'm so sick of this shit!
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(3,731 posts)Oh, here's another one, how about for going after MMJ instead of prosecuting the gangster banksters who very nearly ruined the country?
That good enough?
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(3,731 posts)Silly me, and all this time I thought that it was proven that he ordered waterboarding of prisoners at Gitmo.
I suppose that he didn't lie us into war either?
Your statement right there proves that you have no fucking clue.
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(3,731 posts)as in the Bush Admin..
Here, I'll make it easy, the Bush Crime Cabal.
Better?
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(3,731 posts)I said the bush crime family, as in, the bush admin., not his personal family, his admin family, as in Cheney, Rumsfeld, etc..
Get it now?
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(3,731 posts)HangOnKids
(4,291 posts)Wow your first day has gone really well.
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HangOnKids
(4,291 posts)Your posts have cracked me up all morning!
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(3,731 posts)your wish is my command.
On edit: Whoops, sorry, thought you were talking to me.
My apologies.
Guy Whitey Corngood
(26,482 posts).
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(3,731 posts)hootinholler
(26,449 posts)Way to defend us!
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hootinholler
(26,449 posts)You are throwing the "conspiracy theory" charge at people for stating the obvious: The Bush family is a criminal syndicate going back to Prescott. I have no idea if they are the largest or not, but the information is there, in the public domain, and I bet someone even has a timeline.
Seriously, either learn the subject or have a nice cup of STFU.
AgingAmerican
(12,958 posts)You get highly upset when faced with the facts about what they did.
cui bono
(19,926 posts)and stop giving you a reason to call people who actually read stuff Alex Jonesians.
AgingAmerican
(12,958 posts)do you?
Aerows
(39,961 posts)so George Bush wasn't president when we wrongfully invaded Iraq based on lies?
Guy Whitey Corngood
(26,482 posts)blm
(112,920 posts)Or CIA drugrunning reports.
cui bono
(19,926 posts)And you clearly haven't been reading much since Bush took office.
AgingAmerican
(12,958 posts)Wars, economic collapse, looting 40% of the nations wealth were just tin foil hat conspiracies made up by the Democrats?
Someone left the barn door open.
Liberal_Stalwart71
(20,450 posts)problem. DEREGULATION made it possible for bankers to cheat, for mortgage banks to lure unsuspecting consumers, to fleece the public. That's the problem. Eric Holder can't prosecute anything if, again, nothing illegal took place. Can you tell me what illegal acts were committed. And please be specific and forthright.
As for the medical marijuana cases, marijuana posession and usage is a federal crime. Until Congress passes a law legalizing it, the DOJ is doing its job.
As for the Bush Crime Family, do we really want to drag the country through endless investigations that many would just view as political on the part of the Democrats? For me, not while people are losing their homes and starving in the streets.
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(20,450 posts)responsbility exercise oversight.
randome
(34,845 posts)But loopholes can't be closed by the DOJ. We have no remedy but to get more energetic Congressional reps in place who want to do something other than sit on their fat asses and give tax breaks and loopholes to billionaires.
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Liberal_Stalwart71
(20,450 posts)of congress. If more people understood this, perhaps these ridiculous calls to fire Holder would cease.
It's amazing how much we give the wingnuts ammunition to go after administration officials.
AgingAmerican
(12,958 posts)Seriously? This is just bizarre reading something like this on a Democratic website.
Liberal_Stalwart71
(20,450 posts)You can attack me all you want, but until there is a legal justification, no laws were broken. Tell me which laws were broken. Please be specific.
AgingAmerican
(12,958 posts)is illegal. Thats the first one off the top of my head. I can post a vast list of unprosecuted illegal activities by banks if you really aren't aware of any.
Just because the Bush DOJ made a conscious decision to ignore criminal behavior by banks, does not make those crimes legal.
Liberal_Stalwart71
(20,450 posts)know for sure; or, is it that you haven't heard it on the television, nothing has been done? Because Eric Schniederman (former NY Attorney General) was appointed to look into Wall Street dealings more in depth, and to my knowledge, his investigation has been ongoing. Just because nothing has been found YET doesn't mean nothing is happening.
AgingAmerican
(12,958 posts)After bankers stole 40% of the middle class wealth? Nothing found yet? Seriously? In five years?
Nothing to see here folks, just keep walking...
Liberal_Stalwart71
(20,450 posts)BECAUSE of deregulatory policies, then what is there to prosecute? Please be specific.
AgingAmerican
(12,958 posts)They don't go on for years, finding nothing.
The Financial Crisis Commission recommended prosecutions. Nothing came of it.
The deregulation did not legalize what they were doing. The Bush administration regulatory agencies simply refused to enforce the laws.
What laws did they break? Are you kidding me? They committed mortgage backed security fraud. Bundled mortgages into multiple funds then sold them as single entities. Misrepresented the soundness of investments and pushed them onto investors. Foreclosed on houses they didn't own. Gave huge loans to people without checking their ability to pay. Created adjustable rate mortgages and caused the interest rate to jump to predatory levels. Putting together financial packages designed to fail, then betting against them while selling them to investors. Robo signing foreclosures.
And on, and on, and on
Bluenorthwest
(45,319 posts)Entire States vote in large majority to legalize marijuana or medical marijuana and yet the will of the people is not 'too big to fail' they just ignore it and speak of how much extra time and manpower they have now that they have solved the terrorism threat...oh that's right. They haven't.
Obama promised Oregon and Washington that he'd not allow the DOJ to do this shit because at the time he said 'they have better things to do, like fighting terrorism' Now they watch bombs go off in Boston and the very next week file motions against WA State businesses and go after records the State of Oregon does not want them to have.
While people in Boston were in intensive care, DOJ had plenty of time to pursue legal marijuana in States where it is legal due to VOTING. If those are priorities you support, write to Eric and tell him so.
Liberal_Stalwart71
(20,450 posts)Not just bitching on a forum day after day. Why not take action?
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)Oy.
You really should credit Allen West when borrowing his language.
http://www.theblaze.com/blog/2012/06/12/allen-west-eric-holder-is-a-national-embarrassment/
OmahaBlueDog
(10,000 posts)With West, it might only be once per day.
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)cui bono
(19,926 posts)otohara
(24,135 posts)don't fall for they hype.
Zen Democrat
(5,901 posts)Probably no one we'd be able to stomach, and a Republican at Justice would probably take the Acting AG job for the next 3-1/2 years and turn a blind eye to voter intimidation in 2016. Is that what you want?
OmahaBlueDog
(10,000 posts)She was AG in Arizona before she was governor.
JaneyVee
(19,877 posts)DainBramaged
(39,191 posts)go play with matches
JaneyVee
(19,877 posts)Puzzledtraveller
(5,937 posts)DainBramaged
(39,191 posts)JaneyVee
(19,877 posts)byeya
(2,842 posts)to properly oversee agencies like the fbi. Holder is not the man for the job.
0bama has his resignation letter on file. The President doesn't really need to anounce a reason.
JaneyVee
(19,877 posts)cui bono
(19,926 posts)Peregrine Took
(7,408 posts)He can always run back to his silk tie law firm when he gets run out of DC.
Smarmie Doofus
(14,498 posts).... then I saw this:
>>>In 2004, Holder helped negotiate an agreement with the Justice Department for Chiquita Brands International in a case that involved Chiquita's payment of "protection money" to the United Self-Defense Forces of Colombia, a group on the U.S. government's list of terrorist organizations.[22][23] In the agreement, Chiquita's officials pleaded guilty and paid a fine of $25 million. Holder represented Chiquita in the civil action that grew out of this criminal case.[23] In March 2004, Holder and Covington & Burling were hired by Illinois Governor Rod Blagojevich to act as a special investigator to the Illinois Gaming Board. The investigation was subsequently canceled on May 18, 2004.[24]>>> wiki
I guess it's hard to practice law w/o getting one's hands a little dirty , but.... Holder's a little scary.
OmahaBlueDog
(10,000 posts)As a wise man once said about a town much like DC, "It's Chinatown, Jake."
Once the GOP got both houses of Congress in 1994, they doggedly pursued Whitewater --another scandal, like Benghazi, with extremely little substance and very much hyping on Fox News. Ultimately, Ken Starr found out that Bill Clinton fooled around with an intern, and an enraged congress pursued a fruitless impeachment. So Benghazi is clearly the new Whitewater (because you can get a 2-4-1 deal and go after Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton simultaneously).
Now we have an IRS scandal and an AP records snooping incident. As a result, we have more stories like this:
http://firstread.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/05/15/18273908-first-thoughts-sidetracked?lite
..and this
http://www.nytimes.com/2013/05/13/opinion/who-can-take-republicans-seriously-on-the-budget.html?_r=0
..so this much is clear: 5 months in, the second term agenda is off-the-rails. Sure, he'll be able to Veto any Obamacare rollbacks, and he'll still get to nominate judges, but any meaningful budget reform or gun control legislation is likely toast.
What do administrations do when the agenda goes off-the-rails? Typically, they shake up the cabinet. If you're shaking up a cabinet, why keep an AG who is tainted with the scandal d'jour, and who has been a lightning rod for criticism since "Fast & Furious." Put Napolitano into the AG spot, and see if David Petraeus wants to come in from the cold and put him in charge of DHS. I might also 2x think whether Denis McDonough is really the right guy to be COS in this new reality.
byeya
(2,842 posts)sinkingfeeling
(51,276 posts)DainBramaged
(39,191 posts)aikoaiko
(34,127 posts)The Link
(757 posts)I cringe when he appears on television.
think
(11,641 posts)Just a another pathetic pawn for the very very rich & powerful.
MjolnirTime
(1,800 posts)30,000 posts and what, you don't like Obama?
We get it already.
Puzzledtraveller
(5,937 posts)they don't like Obama?
MjolnirTime
(1,800 posts)DainBramaged
(39,191 posts)I see troll school is out early this year
chillfactor
(7,566 posts)stop the hysterics already!
HangOnKids
(4,291 posts)In the past week, I've seen you post get a grip, get a life, and now stop with the hysterics to long time posters. It is a tad bit insulting.
DainBramaged
(39,191 posts)NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)at the beginning of this term. But politically, this is not a time to get rid of him. They must stand strong and fight.
hrmjustin
(71,265 posts)down. I am not a fan but he should not be fired.
Gothmog
(143,999 posts)I live in Texas. Without Holder's actions, we would have been operating under a horrible voter id/voter suppression law and the courts would not have found that the Texas GOP engaged in intentional discrimination in redistricting Texas. Under Holder, the DOJ Voting Rights section has been reconstituted and is now enforcing the law. Under Bush, the DOJ voting rights section was in effect gutted and loaded with political hacks like that idiot Christian Adams (who would have never been hired without the Bushies breaking the law).
AgingAmerican
(12,958 posts)who stole 40% of the nations wealth.
premium
(3,731 posts)DainBramaged
(39,191 posts)villager
(26,001 posts)But the fact that he's still there does show a certain ongoing contempt for civil liberties, on the part of this administration.
quinnox
(20,600 posts)Blue_In_AK
(46,436 posts)applegrove
(118,020 posts)investigation?
Ikonoklast
(23,973 posts)It's already starting to give them the shivers.
Mark my words, the AP is fucked on this one, and so is the Congressional Republican who leaked classified information about intelligence assets in the field to them.
Holder already has a pretty good idea who it was, the focus of the subpoena was fairly narrow, not anything like what has been characterized by the AP so far.
hrmjustin
(71,265 posts)out who is the leaker. I think they are scared it was one of theirs.
Ikonoklast
(23,973 posts)I'm fairly certain he knows exactly who it was.