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Junkdrawer

(27,993 posts)
Wed May 15, 2013, 05:03 PM May 2013

RW Answer to Climate Change? Austerity + Totalitarian Security State. Think Lifeboat.

Many think those at the top of the ladder are drooling idiots who need their menservants to tie their shoes and change their drool buckets.

I know for a FACT they are not. I don't agree with their values or their priorities, but I never for a second question their intelligence.

They know the numbers. They know resources are dwindling. They know what Climate Change will do to our ability to feed and provide clean water to the people of the planet. Oh, they may not want YOU to know, but they know damn well. And they're frightened.

Chris Hedges gets it.

....

CHRIS HEDGES: Well, I find, you know, all of these measures to essentially shut down the freedom of information, including the persecution of Assange and Manning, as symptomatic of a reconfiguration of our society into a totalitarian security and surveillance state, one where anyone who challenges the official narrative, who digs out cases of torture, war crimes—which is, of course, what Manning and Assange presented to the American public—is going to be ruthlessly silenced. And I find the passivity on the part of the mainstream press, publications like The New York Times, The Guardian, El País, Der Spiegel, all of which, of course, used this information, and turning their backs on Manning and Assange, to be very shortsighted for precisely this reason. If they think it’s just about Manning and Assange, then they have no conception of what it is that’s happening. And, you know, everyone knows, within the administration, within the National Security Council, the effects of climate change, the instability that that will cause, the economic deterioration, which is irreversible, and they want the mechanisms by which they can criminalize any form of dissent. And that’s finally what this is about.

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http://www.democracynow.org/2013/5/15/chris_hedges_monitoring_of_ap_phones


Watch Rex Tillerson from Exxon:



It's about time WE understand what is going on. The Big Picture.
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RW Answer to Climate Change? Austerity + Totalitarian Security State. Think Lifeboat. (Original Post) Junkdrawer May 2013 OP
The 1% knows it's an endgame. "Making nice" ain't gonna cut it with those folks. villager May 2013 #1
The politics of a Shrinking Pie is VERY different than the politics of Growth... Junkdrawer May 2013 #2
Well put. We are definitely headed toward "Parable of the Sower" -type enclaves villager May 2013 #3
And THAT'S where all falls apart, doesn't it? Junkdrawer May 2013 #4
And by "functioning economy," that means "more equitable," so it would have stability... villager May 2013 #5
You get the feeling that they think it could work if only... Junkdrawer May 2013 #6
Frank Carlucci is in the luxury lifeboat castle business... Octafish May 2013 #7
LOL - Wasn't the lifeboat I was thinking of when I posted but.... Junkdrawer May 2013 #8
Lifeboat Earth has only so much food and water... Octafish May 2013 #13
Ever read Richard Heinberg's "The End of Growth".... Junkdrawer May 2013 #14
A Short Video from the Post Carbon Institute: Junkdrawer May 2013 #16
JESUS. the level of dirt and filth is such that I want a shower after reading that article. Volaris May 2013 #15
The Rich stay cozy while telling their poor base to pray to gawd NightWatcher May 2013 #9
The Divine Right of Kochs.... Junkdrawer May 2013 #10
Sure, be meek and peaceful and you'll get your reward in heaven NightWatcher May 2013 #11
i see your point. Here's Vonnegut's take: Junkdrawer May 2013 #12
Maybe so. AverageJoe90 May 2013 #17
"I could go on forever"...I'll bet you could...and will.... Junkdrawer May 2013 #18

Junkdrawer

(27,993 posts)
2. The politics of a Shrinking Pie is VERY different than the politics of Growth...
Wed May 15, 2013, 06:18 PM
May 2013

I live in Pittsburgh. There are the former mansions of the wealthy, oh, about 5-10 blocks from where I live.

Now, they live in gated compounds that I probably couldn't get close enough to view with a telescope if I took the trouble to drive to see.

If someone did a Rip Van Winkle from, say 1995 to 2013, they would be shocked. Imagine what 2020 or 2030 will look like.

They're the ultimate Preppers - pulling in all the resources they can so that, as things deteriorate, THEY and THEIRS can maintain and keep the desperate hordes at bay.

 

villager

(26,001 posts)
3. Well put. We are definitely headed toward "Parable of the Sower" -type enclaves
Wed May 15, 2013, 06:25 PM
May 2013

Though I wonder how long the 1% think they can actually hold out?

Junkdrawer

(27,993 posts)
4. And THAT'S where all falls apart, doesn't it?
Wed May 15, 2013, 06:46 PM
May 2013

The concept of maintaining, for ANY long period of time, a technologically advanced way of life WITHOUT a functioning (global??) economy is, well, silly.

But, I guess Shangri-La is non-partisan fantasy.

 

villager

(26,001 posts)
5. And by "functioning economy," that means "more equitable," so it would have stability...
Wed May 15, 2013, 06:58 PM
May 2013

And the 1%ers ain't gonna allow that... no matter what the cost...

Junkdrawer

(27,993 posts)
6. You get the feeling that they think it could work if only...
Wed May 15, 2013, 07:07 PM
May 2013

people would be good serfs and work for their bowl of rice WITHOUT being rabble-roused.

NOT GOING TO HAPPEN

Never has - never will.

Octafish

(55,745 posts)
7. Frank Carlucci is in the luxury lifeboat castle business...
Wed May 15, 2013, 09:16 PM
May 2013
The Really Creepy People Behind the Libertarian-Inspired Billionaire Sea Castles

The stinking rich are planning billion-dollar luxury liners that keep the land-based Americans they've plundered at a safe distance.

AlterNet / By Mark Ames
June 1, 2010

What happens when Americans plunder America and leave it broken, destitute and seething mad? Where do these fabulously wealthy Americans go with their loot, if America isn't a safe, secure, or even desirable place to spend their riches? What if they lose faith in their gated communities, because those plush gated communities are surrounded by millions of pissed-off Americans stripped of their entitlements, and who now want in?

The first such floating castle has been christened the " Utopia"--the South Korean firm Samsung has been contracted to build the $1.1 billion ship, due to be launched in 2013. Already orders are coming in to buy one of the Utopia's 200 or so mansions for sale- -which range in price from about $4 million for the smallest condos to over $26 million for 6,600 square-foot "estates." The largest mansion is a whopping 40,000 square feet, and sells for $160 million.

SNIP...

Both Thiel and Milton Friedman's grandson see democracy as the enemy--last year, Thiel wrote "I no longer believe that freedom and democracy are compatible" at about the same time that Milton Friedman's grandson proclaimed, "Democracy is not the answer." Both published their anti-democracy proclamations in the same billionaire-Koch-family-funded outlet, Cato Unbound, one of the oldest billionaire-fed libertarian welfare dispensaries. Friedman's answer for Thiel's democracy problem is to build offshore libertarian pod-fortresses where the libertarian way rules. It's probably better for everyone if Milton Friedman's grandson and Peter Thiel leave us forever for their libertarian ocean lair--Thiel believes that America went down the tubes ever since it gave women the right to vote, and he was outed as the sponsor of accused felon James O'Keefe's smear videos that brought ACORN to ruin.

SNIP...

While neither Bush nor the Bin Ladens are principals in the Frontier Group, its founding director, Frank Carlucci, is a name they know well, and you should too. Carlucci ran the Carlyle Group as its chairman from 1989 through 2005, right around the time that the wars started going undeniably bad, and floating castles started to look like a viable plan. But Carlucci's past is much weirder and scarier than most of us care to know: whether it's his strangely timed appearances in some of the ugliest assassinations and coups in modern history, or serving as Carter's number two man in the CIA, and Ronald Reagan's Secretary of Defense, if Frank Carlucci (nicknamed "Creepy Carlucci" and "Spooky Frank&quot is the founding director of a firm that's building floating castles, it's a bad sign for those of us left behind.

I'll get into Carlucci's partners in the Frontier Group in a moment, but first, let's reacquaint ourselves with Frank Carlucci. From an early age, Carlucci learned the importance of getting to know the right people in the right places. He studied at Princeton in the mid-1950s, where as luck should have it, Carlucci roomed with Donald Rumsfeld. Both Carlucci and Rumsfeld shared a passion for Greco-Roman wrestling at Princeton, and both went on to serve in the Navy after Princeton. Their paths would split and merge several times over the next few decades, even as they remained close personal friends throughout their lives. In the late 1950s, Carlucci briefly served as an executive at a lingerie manufacturer, Jantzen (the Victoria's Secret of its day), but quickly left to join the State Department.

CONTINUED...

http://www.alternet.org/story/147058/the_really_creepy_people_behind_the_libertarian-inspired_billionaire_sea_castles

Junkdrawer

(27,993 posts)
8. LOL - Wasn't the lifeboat I was thinking of when I posted but....
Wed May 15, 2013, 09:19 PM
May 2013

As I've said upthread: The Ultimate Preppers.

Octafish

(55,745 posts)
13. Lifeboat Earth has only so much food and water...
Wed May 15, 2013, 10:42 PM
May 2013

...according to the 1-percent, they're entitled to it.

What bothers me, we can use what resources we have to make the voyage survivable for all -- globally. On a good day, I'd say we can clean up the pollution, go green, clean, renewable and sustainable, and lay around all day listening to a classical station.

There's no profit in that for the Ownership Class, the 1-percent of 1-percent who mostly have U.S. and European passports.

Allowing the environment to crash, for them, is nothing. They'll survive. In their minds, they paid for it.

Junkdrawer

(27,993 posts)
14. Ever read Richard Heinberg's "The End of Growth"....
Wed May 15, 2013, 11:02 PM
May 2013

The Post Carbon Institute has done a lot of work examining IN GOREY DETAIL what it will take to make the planet sustainable to humans.

Bringing this puppy in for a soft landing MAY be just possible. It's NOT a slam dunk.

http://www.postcarbon.org/

We keep going in the opposite direction. We're being told "all is well" while they make doomsday preparations. Somehow, I can't sign on to that. It bothers me.

NightWatcher

(39,343 posts)
9. The Rich stay cozy while telling their poor base to pray to gawd
Wed May 15, 2013, 09:23 PM
May 2013

It's rather convenient for them that so many are easily manipulated by fear and loathing. You think the Koch bro.s give a shit about abortion or the 10 commandos?

Junkdrawer

(27,993 posts)
10. The Divine Right of Kochs....
Wed May 15, 2013, 09:33 PM
May 2013

And, as Vonnegut has pointed out MANY times, the 10 Commandments is Old Testament - The Beatitudes is Christian.

And you sure as HELL won't hear that from the Kochs even in hypocritical posturing.

On edit:

The Beatitudes :

Blessed are...

...the poor in spirit: for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.
...those who mourn: for they will be comforted.
...the meek: for they will inherit the earth.
...those who hunger and thirst for righteousness: for they will be filled.
...the merciful: for they will be shown mercy.
...the pure in heart: for they will see God.
...the peacemakers: for they will be called children of God.
...those who are persecuted for righteousness' sake: for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.


Could you imagine that coming from a Koch's lips?

Junkdrawer

(27,993 posts)
12. i see your point. Here's Vonnegut's take:
Wed May 15, 2013, 09:59 PM
May 2013
....

Eugene Debs, who died back in 1926, when I was only 4, ran 5 times as the Socialist Party candidate for president, winning 900,000 votes, 6 percent of the popular vote, in 1912, if you can imagine such a ballot. He had this to say while campaigning:

As long as there is a lower class, I am in it.
As long as there is a criminal element, I’m of it.
As long as there is a soul in prison, I am not free.


Doesn’t anything socialistic make you want to throw up? Like great public schools or health insurance for all?

How about Jesus’ Sermon on the Mount, the Beatitudes?

Blessed are the meek, for they shall inherit the Earth.

Blessed are the merciful, for they shall obtain mercy.

Blessed are the peacemakers, for they shall be called the children of God. …

And so on.

Not exactly planks in a Republican platform. Not exactly Donald Rumsfeld or Dick Cheney stuff.

For some reason, the most vocal Christians among us never mention the Beatitudes. But, often with tears in their eyes, they demand that the Ten Commandments be posted in public buildings. And of course that’s Moses, not Jesus. I haven’t heard one of them demand that the Sermon on the Mount, the Beatitudes, be posted anywhere.

....

http://inthesetimes.com/article/cold_turkey/
 

AverageJoe90

(10,745 posts)
17. Maybe so.
Wed May 15, 2013, 11:39 PM
May 2013

TBH, I also gotta say that I think it may be possible(more than possible, maybe!) that these same forces may possibly be helping disseminate some of the climate doomers' fearmongering as well as the Koch Bros. B.S., too.

Put yourself in their shoes: After all, what does more damage to a movement you don't like, than making them all look like a bunch of nutters, or crazies, or even malcontents? You've got guys like Guy McPherson, and many hundreds of others on the Internet, purposefully pushing some real crazy stuff out there, such as this B.S. "Near Term (Human) Extinction" theory, "runaway warming", "we must stop economic growth to save the planet", and even some truly wacky New Agey B.S., such as quantum climate shifts, and all that, and of course, the general fare, like "Humans are parasites", the IPCC is covering up the true severity of climate change, we can't stop AGW now, etc., I could go on forever.....and then there's badly done and/or twisted interpretations of good science, and unquestioning acceptance of poor science(like David Wasdell's "Earth Systems" junk).....etc.

And then on the other hand, you've got many other people who really do mean well, but they do get caught up in this stuff themselves, without really knowing that it's not accurate; James Hansen made that mistake with "Venus Syndrome" once....so did Dr. Lovelock, with his "Sahara's going to Europe" claims.

This is a notable problem, and yet few seem to be willing to address it. And it's no wonder we have such problems with educating the public sometimes.....

Junkdrawer

(27,993 posts)
18. "I could go on forever"...I'll bet you could...and will....
Thu May 16, 2013, 12:01 AM
May 2013

I love vinyl records too. But yours seems to be stuck in that same "hey, let's not do anything more than Greenwash climate because, that will scare people" groove.

Perhaps if you cleaned off the dust....

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