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CJCRANE

(18,184 posts)
Wed May 15, 2013, 05:39 PM May 2013

Is there a logical fallacy in "conservative" groups complaining that the IRS

targeted them for being "political"?

"Conservative" is a political label, so surely any self-styled "conservative" group is admitting that they have a political agenda and so may not qualify for the nonpolitical social group status?

And who else are the IRS going to target in this instance if not "conservative", "liberal" and any other type of group with a political label?

Of course in the process of rooting out "political" groups they're going to look at "conservative" organizations.

The correct response of these groups would be say "we're not conservative, we're nonpolitical and nonpartisan, why are we being targeted?"

Is it just me or does that seem obvious?

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Is there a logical fallacy in "conservative" groups complaining that the IRS (Original Post) CJCRANE May 2013 OP
the problem, as i see it, is "conservative" or "liberal" is ok for 501(c)(4)s unblock May 2013 #1
Your post is too obvious to be obvious. RC May 2013 #2
501(c)(4)s can be political hack89 May 2013 #3
Is the issue about 501(c)(4)s or 501(c)(3)s? nt CJCRANE May 2013 #5
501(c)(4)s - here is a good overview on the issue hack89 May 2013 #6
What the hell else would Bay Boy May 2013 #7
I have no problem with 501(c)(4)s hack89 May 2013 #8
I've said that all along but the liberal media don't seem to get the distinction tularetom May 2013 #4

unblock

(52,205 posts)
1. the problem, as i see it, is "conservative" or "liberal" is ok for 501(c)(4)s
Wed May 15, 2013, 05:44 PM
May 2013

as long as it's issue education/advocacy, not candidate or party education/advocacy.

it's "democratic" or "republican" (supporting particular parties or particular individual politicians) that's not ok.


and the problem there is that conservative is very nearly equal to republican, so it's a bit of a distinction without a difference.

hack89

(39,171 posts)
3. 501(c)(4)s can be political
Wed May 15, 2013, 05:48 PM
May 2013

as long as they spend less than 50% of their money on elections. President Obama's campaign organization is morphing into a 501(c)(4) for example - it will be a political organization

tularetom

(23,664 posts)
4. I've said that all along but the liberal media don't seem to get the distinction
Wed May 15, 2013, 05:49 PM
May 2013

Which strikes me as pretty damn funny since it is the media who are responsible for the categorizing and labeling of every politician, organization or policy as either "liberal" or "conservative", "red" or "blue". Seems like by referring to groups as "conservative" they have tacitly identified those groups as being political and thus not eligible as tax exempt.

No, it isn't just you. But I hope it's occurred to more than just the two of us.

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