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Baitball Blogger

(46,700 posts)
Thu May 16, 2013, 09:50 AM May 2013

Wow. This one is sobering. Someone accused Michael Jackson of pedophilia.



Wade Robson: Michael Jackson “Sexually Abused Me” From Age 7 to 14 (VIDEO)

The famed choreographer, who began his dancing career at the age of five, tells Matt Lauer he denied Jackson abused him when he testified the pop star’s 2005 molestation trial because Jackson manipulated and brainwashed him.

Robson reveals, “This is not a case of repressed memory. I never forgot one moment of what Michael did to me… But I was psychologically and emotionally unwilling to understand that it was sexual abuse.”

He alleges, “He sexually abused my from seven years old until 14. He performed sexual acts on me, and forced me to perform sexual acts on him.”

Robson says Jackson was an amazing talent, but “he was a pedophile.”

http://www.gossipcop.com/wade-robson-today-show-michael-jackson-sexually-abused-sex-pedophile-molested-interview/
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Wow. This one is sobering. Someone accused Michael Jackson of pedophilia. (Original Post) Baitball Blogger May 2013 OP
Same guy who testified, in court, that Jackson never molested him. Melinda May 2013 #1
That's what makes these cases so difficult. Baitball Blogger May 2013 #5
There's also the expression, "shake the money tree". closeupready May 2013 #7
I wonder how that works? Baitball Blogger May 2013 #9
Debbie Rowe, Paris and Blanket's biological mom, disbelieves him closeupready May 2013 #17
IIRC -and I just logged back in to DU so I haven't checked- the accusor testified as an adult. Melinda May 2013 #16
And you think he is telling the truth. duffyduff May 2013 #31
Oh, please. aquart May 2013 #13
Sorry if I don't believe what this guy is selling. n/t duffyduff May 2013 #32
I would pay good money to see DNA results on those alleged children of his CBGLuthier May 2013 #2
I haven't been following the case, but just took a look through google on the Baitball Blogger May 2013 #3
On the other hand - it must be very gratifying to be one of the very few el_bryanto May 2013 #4
What difference would that (DNA tests) make one way or the other? eShirl May 2013 #19
Michael Jackson should be arrested immediately. MineralMan May 2013 #6
Oh, he was arrested, premium May 2013 #8
Better yet, he should be exhumed and made to face the charge. Comrade Grumpy May 2013 #23
I find that shocking and surprising... Lizzie Poppet May 2013 #10
And thereupon, the thread was won. Warren DeMontague May 2013 #35
I'm not surprised. In_The_Wind May 2013 #11
Really? Some of you thought he wasn't? aquart May 2013 #12
I thought he was innocent. polly7 May 2013 #14
Fantastic PR people Michael had. aquart May 2013 #15
That's always been my take on him too. Captain Stern May 2013 #20
When the children could describe his penis, Zoeisright May 2013 #33
Michael Jackson is not around to defend himself Capt. Obvious May 2013 #18
We can put OJ on the case, if he's released. (nt) Captain Stern May 2013 #21
We shouldn't divide OJ's time Capt. Obvious May 2013 #22
Pretty sure the Pope has his hands full too Captain Stern May 2013 #25
what about bubbles? datasuspect May 2013 #24
He's at The Center For Great Apes thelordofhell May 2013 #27
Think he's having some trouble fitting in with his peers? Warren DeMontague May 2013 #36
Repressed memories are notoriously unreliable. Ian David May 2013 #26
This is a surprise? nt WeekendWarrior May 2013 #28
The guy on the match game used to always say whatever the 1st statement is, usually is correct graham4anything May 2013 #29
I don't believe one word of it. duffyduff May 2013 #30
Not the first accusation, but nothing stuck (money and fame make great Teflon) Hekate May 2013 #34

Baitball Blogger

(46,700 posts)
5. That's what makes these cases so difficult.
Thu May 16, 2013, 10:03 AM
May 2013

As young children they might say one thing for self-preservation, and only years later when they can deal with what happened, they say another.

I know, in the case of priests, they seem to be giving the benefit of the doubt to the child.

 

closeupready

(29,503 posts)
7. There's also the expression, "shake the money tree".
Thu May 16, 2013, 10:08 AM
May 2013

So in many cases, one testament is truthful and one is false; in other cases, it's just the opposite.

Once contradicted, it's really difficult to know what is reality and what is make-believe, or even outright lies.

Baitball Blogger

(46,700 posts)
9. I wonder how that works?
Thu May 16, 2013, 10:11 AM
May 2013

In the case of pedophile priests there are usually a number of individuals who come forward, and you also have a track record of the church moving them out of the congregation to keep the church "safe" from litigation.

But in this case it's just one person. What could he hope to gain if he can't prove his case in court?

 

closeupready

(29,503 posts)
17. Debbie Rowe, Paris and Blanket's biological mom, disbelieves him
Fri May 17, 2013, 02:03 PM
May 2013

100%, and claims he is an opportunist:

http://www.tmz.com/2013/05/16/debbie-rowe-wade-robson-publicity-seeking-opportunist-sexual-abuse-michael-jackson/

>>Rowe -- reacting to Robson's appearance on "Today" and the 2 legal claims he's filed in court, tells TMZ:

"I was angered that Wade Robson reversed his sworn testimony from court in 2005, and now claims to be a victim of sexual abuse."

Rowe goes on ... "His publicity-seeking attempt is opportunistic and just oozes falseness."<<

Melinda

(5,465 posts)
16. IIRC -and I just logged back in to DU so I haven't checked- the accusor testified as an adult.
Thu May 16, 2013, 12:25 PM
May 2013

I think back in Jackson's last trial.... iirc. I dunno, I briefly read this somewhere recently, and my brain is old. At any rate, this is a subjective and triggering thing for me which keeps me at an arms distance re this matter. Off to check my mind, thanks for the response.

 

duffyduff

(3,251 posts)
31. And you think he is telling the truth.
Fri May 17, 2013, 07:31 PM
May 2013

I can't believe it.

The most chickenshit thing in the world to do is make an unsubstantiated claim about a dead celebrity knowing they can't be sued.

CBGLuthier

(12,723 posts)
2. I would pay good money to see DNA results on those alleged children of his
Thu May 16, 2013, 09:56 AM
May 2013

Why the world can not see that the man was a freak is beyond me. Of course he molested children.

Baitball Blogger

(46,700 posts)
3. I haven't been following the case, but just took a look through google on the
Thu May 16, 2013, 10:01 AM
May 2013

paternity issue. It's turning into a circus media. But, I guess that was to be expected.

el_bryanto

(11,804 posts)
4. On the other hand - it must be very gratifying to be one of the very few
Thu May 16, 2013, 10:03 AM
May 2013

who can see Michael Jackson for what he was - you are probably pretty pleased with yourself, and you'd lose all that if more people shared your view.

Bryant

eShirl

(18,490 posts)
19. What difference would that (DNA tests) make one way or the other?
Fri May 17, 2013, 02:34 PM
May 2013

He was a freak whether or not his children were his biological offspring.

polly7

(20,582 posts)
14. I thought he was innocent.
Thu May 16, 2013, 11:22 AM
May 2013

To me, Jackson seemed an emotionally stunted, wounded person who seemed to see the goodness of children and animals as something he'd missed out on and valued above all else. I could very well be wrong .

aquart

(69,014 posts)
15. Fantastic PR people Michael had.
Thu May 16, 2013, 11:28 AM
May 2013

For the future, check the PR against the obvious reality. Such as, grown man sleeps in bed with little boys. Says nothing happened. Family banks fat check.

Captain Stern

(2,201 posts)
20. That's always been my take on him too.
Fri May 17, 2013, 02:44 PM
May 2013

Just look at the stuff he spent his money on.........an amusement park, chimps, etc. He seemed like a 10 year old that happened to have millions of dollars.

He might have molested kids....I don't know. But I've never thought it was a slam dunk that he did.

Capt. Obvious

(9,002 posts)
18. Michael Jackson is not around to defend himself
Fri May 17, 2013, 02:15 PM
May 2013

But even worse than that, now that he's dead who will hunt for the real pedophile!

Capt. Obvious

(9,002 posts)
22. We shouldn't divide OJ's time
Fri May 17, 2013, 02:48 PM
May 2013

He'll need to focus on finding the real killer.

Maybe we can get the Pope to hunt for the real pedophile.

Captain Stern

(2,201 posts)
25. Pretty sure the Pope has his hands full too
Fri May 17, 2013, 06:42 PM
May 2013

but at least he'd have experience hunting for pedophiles. (or at least covering up for them)

Ian David

(69,059 posts)
26. Repressed memories are notoriously unreliable.
Fri May 17, 2013, 06:45 PM
May 2013

Like the witch-hunt trials of old, people today are being accused and even imprisoned on ‘evidence’ provided by memories from dreams and flashbacks — memories that didn’t exist before therapy. What is going on here?
http://www.csicop.org/si/show/remembering_dangerously/

 

graham4anything

(11,464 posts)
29. The guy on the match game used to always say whatever the 1st statement is, usually is correct
Fri May 17, 2013, 07:22 PM
May 2013

If someone testifies that nothing happened, I tend to believe that person under oath

If some say that person was paid off then, well, did that person spend it all and needs more now? The gravy train and all that.

If someone pleads guilty once, twice, ten times, twenty times, I tend to believe that person is guilty.
I never heard Michael or OJ plead guilty. NOT ONCE.

In fact, I heard a jury say OJ was 100% NOT guilty aka INNOCENT of all charges.
I do believe in Vegas, OJ was set-up and it was a double jeopardy.
It has nothing to do with his original case, yet he was given a sentence no other person would have been given in Vegas.

in fact, he was offered a deal for 2 years.
The current judge should say time served.

If one believes in the law, one can't be charged twice.
I think Vegas was a miscarraige of justice. I think the lawyer should be disbarred based on what I have read.

Prior has NOTHING to do with Vegas.

Michael is dead. Yet people are making billions off of him. He is worth far more dead than alive.
Leads me to believe he just might have been murdered. (and not by that doctor).
Follow the money trail.

note-I am giving NO opinion or commenting on what the person the article is about associated with Michael is alleging. so don't say I said this or that, when I didn't.

btw,to the pro-Gun, pro-NRA fans- isn't Nevada a concealed carry state? Why isn't the pro-gun people defending OJ being that the gun wasn't used and his life was in danger.
But it shows again, all guns should be out of the hands of private citizens after the 2nd is reinterpreted.

And why didn't the ACLU take up the OJ case? A clear misjustice might have been done, isn't the ACLU suppose to take cases all over the spectrum if there is abuse in the legal system?

Hekate

(90,656 posts)
34. Not the first accusation, but nothing stuck (money and fame make great Teflon)
Fri May 17, 2013, 09:00 PM
May 2013

I live in Santa Barbara County, and our DA tried to follow up on accusations (twice, iirc) against Michael Jackson, whose Neverland Ranch is in the county. It was a complete and utter media circus, and he played his fans for all he was worth. I remember when the case came up for discussion at DU the defense was unbelievably passionate.

As for memories and "not telling", there was a time in my own childhood when I actually fantasized lying to a judge (should I ever be in front of one) about my own abuse in order to protect my family and keep it intact. There was no judge, there was only the great secret, which I kept for 20 years. As Robson said: “This is not a case of repressed memory. I never forgot one moment of what (was done) to me."

Children don't think like adults -- and while they want the abuse to stop, they still want to protect the abuser that they are emotionally dependent upon. Adulthood changes perspective, and makes it safer to reveal what happened... Not that anyone but your shrink wants to know, because after all he was such a sweet guy and your revelation just makes the entire family so uncomfortable that they can hardly look at you anymore.

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