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ProSense

(116,464 posts)
Thu May 16, 2013, 02:43 PM May 2013

Obama: ‘I Have Complete Confidence In Eric Holder’

Obama: ‘I Have Complete Confidence In Eric Holder’

President Barack Obama on Thursday gave a firm vote of confidence to embattled Attorney General Eric Holder.

"I have complete confidence in Eric Holder as attorney general," Obama said at a joint afternoon press conference with Turkish Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan. "He does his job with integrity and I expect he will continue to do so."

Holder has come under fire for the Department of Justice's subpoena of Associated Press phone records, with even some on the left calling for his sacking.

But Obama defended the probe earlier in the press conference, emphasizing the need to get to the bottom of leaks. Earlier this week, Holder called the leak on a CIA operation in Yemen, the impetus for the seizure of the AP's phone records, one of the most serious in his career.

- more -

http://livewire.talkingpointsmemo.com/entry/obama-i-have-complete-confidence-in-eric-holder

Eric Holder's testimony was OUTSTANDING today! Kick if you're with me...
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022850356


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Obama: ‘I Have Complete Confidence In Eric Holder’ (Original Post) ProSense May 2013 OP
DU Rec...nt SidDithers May 2013 #1
Which tells you, really, about many of the failings of this administration in a nutshell villager May 2013 #2
Or ProSense May 2013 #4
You forgot the successes in busting MMJ dispensaries, coddling war/wall street criminals, and villager May 2013 #8
I've been ProSense May 2013 #11
It's not about being an Ashcroft fan; it's about being more of a diligent citizen, instead of .... villager May 2013 #18
Democracy ProSense May 2013 #22
Well, "self-righteous jerk" isn't exactly *not* "name calling." But you'd *already* used villager May 2013 #23
Please, ProSense May 2013 #24
Oh -- so your names are "accurate," and all others are "hyperbolic?" "Please." villager May 2013 #25
Hey, ProSense May 2013 #26
"Ashcroft Fan" insinuates an agreement with Republican values, as you disingenuously know. villager May 2013 #27
That's ProSense May 2013 #28
...true, actually. Your complete inability to own any of your deployed rhetoric villager May 2013 #29
Wow, ProSense May 2013 #32
Wow, indeed. You get decide when it's name-calling, and when it's not? villager May 2013 #35
Couldn't address the point in the comment, huh? ProSense May 2013 #36
No, evidently you can't You keep dodging it. No one "forces" any post, ProSense. Not even yours. villager May 2013 #37
See ProSense May 2013 #38
You're getting more desperate, ProSense, Cutting and pasting from entirely different replies villager May 2013 #39
LOL! What ProSense May 2013 #40
shorn of context, of course. And of your own comments and replies. Disingenuous throughout. villager May 2013 #41
This little intramural back-and-forth is a perfect example radiclib May 2013 #42
I don't disagree, actually. villager May 2013 #43
Yes, a nutshell is an appropriately sized container for this administration's "failings". tridim May 2013 #5
I'm thinking pistachio n/t Scootaloo May 2013 #6
No, it tells you that. Many of us are quite capable Cha May 2013 #14
And with "successes" like that, who needs failings on the civil liberties, environmental, and Wall villager May 2013 #19
Are we supposed to wait for more dead State Dept personnel, before we try to find out who patrice May 2013 #3
Why isit necessary for ordinary citizens to ASK THE QUESTIONS that corporate media SHOULD be asking? patrice May 2013 #7
I'm not a Holder fan, but I'm with you on this --outstanding testimony!! gateley May 2013 #9
At This Point, Ma'am, There Is No Real Choice The Magistrate May 2013 #10
we've had 4 years of appeasement. no biggee about this issue nt msongs May 2013 #12
It Is Always Possible To Do It Once Too Often, Ma'am The Magistrate May 2013 #13
be careful you two Skittles May 2013 #15
Not if Holder were put in Jail Demeter May 2013 #16
It wouldn't be appeasement if we put in someone more liberal, more focused on corporate crime Warren DeMontague May 2013 #30
The Post Would Remain Vacant, Sir The Magistrate May 2013 #33
Your point is well taken. Warren DeMontague May 2013 #34
The following is Research on AG Holder from Cha May 2013 #17
Thanks for the informing flamingdem May 2013 #21
Ugh quinnox May 2013 #20
... don't rock the boat baby! warrprayer May 2013 #31

ProSense

(116,464 posts)
4. Or
Thu May 16, 2013, 02:53 PM
May 2013

"Which tells you, really, about many of the failings of this administration in a nutshell"

...the successes.

Holder announces 89 individuals charged with Medicare fraud
http://www.washingtonpost.com/holder-announces-89-individuals-charged-with-medicare-fraud/2013/05/14/ee06cb36-bccc-11e2-b537-ab47f0325f7c_video.html

As part of a coordinated, nationwide takedown – the sixth that the Medicare Fraud Strike Force and its partners have conducted – this afternoon, we announce charges against 89 defendants in eight different cities for their alleged participation in fraud schemes to submit more than $220 million in false billings to Medicare. These defendants are accused of a variety of crimes involving the fraudulent use of Medicare information obtained illegally from elderly or low-income individuals; the submission of false billings for treatments that were never provided, or were performed by unlicensed individuals; and a range of other schemes that placed the safety of innocent people at risk in order to achieve illicit financial gain.

http://www.justice.gov/iso/opa/ag/speeches/2013/ag-speech-1305141.html


 

villager

(26,001 posts)
8. You forgot the successes in busting MMJ dispensaries, coddling war/wall street criminals, and
Thu May 16, 2013, 03:01 PM
May 2013

...the overweening success in expanding the surveillance state, too!

ProSense

(116,464 posts)
11. I've been
Thu May 16, 2013, 03:24 PM
May 2013

"You forgot the successes in busting MMJ dispensaries, coddling war/wall street criminals, and ...the overweening success in expanding the surveillance state, too! "

...through that yesterday with the Ashcroft fans.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=2849205

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=2850772

 

villager

(26,001 posts)
18. It's not about being an Ashcroft fan; it's about being more of a diligent citizen, instead of ....
Thu May 16, 2013, 06:37 PM
May 2013

...a star-addled, wholly uncritical, fan of the current administration, and being willing to see, and call out, its faults.

Which is what participants in a democracy need to do. Or heck, even in the vestiges of a republic, like the one on life-support here.

ProSense

(116,464 posts)
22. Democracy
Thu May 16, 2013, 06:49 PM
May 2013

"It's not about being an Ashcroft fan; it's about being more of a diligent citizen, instead of ....

...a star-addled, wholly uncritical, fan of the current administration, and being willing to see, and call out, its faults.

Which is what participants in a democracy need to do. Or heck, even in the vestiges of a republic, like the one on life-support here."

...isn't about being self-righteous jerks who resort to name calling.

I mean, some people spent the first four years of the Obama Presidency lambasting the health care law (http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022846359) and Dodd-Frank as useless, and labeling people who didn't agree with their opinions of legislation as "Third Wayers."

Well, you know what: Fuck that noise.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022854370

 

villager

(26,001 posts)
23. Well, "self-righteous jerk" isn't exactly *not* "name calling." But you'd *already* used
Thu May 16, 2013, 06:56 PM
May 2013

...the inaccurate "Ashcroft Fan," to describe those who disagree with Holder's right-leaning policies.

Physician/healing/thyself, etc.

ProSense

(116,464 posts)
24. Please,
Thu May 16, 2013, 07:02 PM
May 2013
Well, "self-righteous jerk" isn't exactly *not* "name calling." But you'd *already* used

...the inaccurate "Ashcroft Fan," to describe those who disagree with Holder's right-leaning policies.

Physician/healing/thyself, etc.

...own up to the name calling (I was returning the fire) and the accuracy of "Ashcroft Fan," albeit hyperbolic.


ProSense

(116,464 posts)
26. Hey,
Thu May 16, 2013, 07:08 PM
May 2013
Oh -- so your names are "accurate," and all others are "hyperbolic?" "Please."

..."Ashcroft Fan" is based on a declaration that he is preferable in some way to Holder. Your name calling is based on people disagreeing with you.

See the difference?

 

villager

(26,001 posts)
27. "Ashcroft Fan" insinuates an agreement with Republican values, as you disingenuously know.
Thu May 16, 2013, 07:09 PM
May 2013

The point of those posts was to show how Holder is often to the right of Ashcroft on different positions, which a wholly uncritical view of this administration cannot brook.

ProSense

(116,464 posts)
28. That's
Thu May 16, 2013, 07:13 PM
May 2013
"Ashcroft Fan" insinuates an agreement with Republican values, as you disingenuously know.

...nonsense. It simply means being a fan on some level, which is defined here:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=2849205

 

villager

(26,001 posts)
29. ...true, actually. Your complete inability to own any of your deployed rhetoric
Thu May 16, 2013, 07:14 PM
May 2013

...runs parallel, sadly, to your inability to criticize this administration on the fronts where such criticism is entirely warranted.

Which was the point of my post -- while picking up on your use of "fan" -- in the first place.

ProSense

(116,464 posts)
32. Wow,
Thu May 16, 2013, 07:24 PM
May 2013

"Your complete inability to own any of your deployed rhetoric...runs parallel, sadly, to your inability to criticize this administration on the fronts where such criticism is entirely warranted."

...you get to decide whether or not other people should be critical?

See my point here about legislation: http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=2854649

 

villager

(26,001 posts)
35. Wow, indeed. You get decide when it's name-calling, and when it's not?
Thu May 16, 2013, 07:31 PM
May 2013

Your own name calling always conveniently exempted?

ProSense

(116,464 posts)
36. Couldn't address the point in the comment, huh?
Thu May 16, 2013, 07:35 PM
May 2013

You get to decide whether or not other people should be critical?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=2854831

Address that. It appears to be your issue. No one forced anyone to post a thread comparing Holder to Ashcroft and hyping that RW asshole.

You, on the other hand, believe you should determine when others should be critical.

 

villager

(26,001 posts)
37. No, evidently you can't You keep dodging it. No one "forces" any post, ProSense. Not even yours.
Thu May 16, 2013, 07:39 PM
May 2013

People get to be critical of this administration.

People like you get to be critical of any and all critics of this administration, etc.

No one "forces" a post.

No one "forces" anyone to call anyone an "Ashcroft fan," when the point -- which you never addressed -- is why Obama's AG too often tacks to Ashcroft's right?

Perhaps, then, don't be so free with the insinuations and name-calling yourself, if the use of the exact same name -- in this case "fan" -- undoes you so much, in one of these many unforced DU threads.

ProSense

(116,464 posts)
38. See
Thu May 16, 2013, 07:43 PM
May 2013

"People like you get to be critical of any and all critics of this administration, etc."

"It's not about being an Ashcroft fan; it's about being more of a diligent citizen, instead of .......a star-addled, wholly uncritical, fan of the current administration, and being willing to see, and call out, its faults."

"Your complete inability to own any of your deployed rhetoric...runs parallel, sadly, to your inability to criticize this administration on the fronts where such criticism is entirely warranted."

...those? They're your comments, and they all have something in common.

 

villager

(26,001 posts)
39. You're getting more desperate, ProSense, Cutting and pasting from entirely different replies
Thu May 16, 2013, 07:48 PM
May 2013

...leaving no context, and of course omitting your comments and name-calls, which I was responding to!

Very GOP of you!

ProSense

(116,464 posts)
40. LOL! What
Thu May 16, 2013, 08:21 PM
May 2013
You're getting more desperate, ProSense, Cutting and pasting from entirely different replies

...leaving no context, and of course omitting your comments and name-calls, which I was responding to!

Very GOP of you!

...can't stand to see your own comments together?

 

villager

(26,001 posts)
41. shorn of context, of course. And of your own comments and replies. Disingenuous throughout.
Fri May 17, 2013, 04:36 PM
May 2013

Which has been sadly typical of you in this subthread, alas.

radiclib

(1,811 posts)
42. This little intramural back-and-forth is a perfect example
Sat May 18, 2013, 10:11 AM
May 2013

of why we are completely fucked as a nation.
My Republican sister and brother-in-law are coming this weekend, the globe is melting, democracy is out the window, the banks own everything, the government is in a dysfunctional shambles, and not a word will be uttered about any of it, because what's the point?
How can human beings figure out how to preserve themselves and continue to evolve when, even in our little DU corner of the universe we can't even agree on the shape of the table?

 

villager

(26,001 posts)
43. I don't disagree, actually.
Mon May 20, 2013, 01:11 PM
May 2013

We piss on each over breadcrumbs here, while the world burns.

I expect I've mixed/garbled several metaphors there.

Cha

(297,154 posts)
14. No, it tells you that. Many of us are quite capable
Thu May 16, 2013, 04:42 PM
May 2013

of appreciating the successes of the Obama Administration.

 

villager

(26,001 posts)
19. And with "successes" like that, who needs failings on the civil liberties, environmental, and Wall
Thu May 16, 2013, 06:38 PM
May 2013

Street reform front!?

patrice

(47,992 posts)
3. Are we supposed to wait for more dead State Dept personnel, before we try to find out who
Thu May 16, 2013, 02:50 PM
May 2013

might know what about CIA ops such as the location of things like a "safe house" in places like Benghazi, Libya?

The Magistrate

(95,244 posts)
10. At This Point, Ma'am, There Is No Real Choice
Thu May 16, 2013, 03:23 PM
May 2013

Personally, I would like to have seen Mr. Holder gone long ago, but he cannot be fired or resign now: anything that smacks of appeasement or capitulation will be a political disaster.

The Magistrate

(95,244 posts)
13. It Is Always Possible To Do It Once Too Often, Ma'am
Thu May 16, 2013, 03:30 PM
May 2013

Putting this man out of office at present would be that once too often, in my view.

Warren DeMontague

(80,708 posts)
30. It wouldn't be appeasement if we put in someone more liberal, more focused on corporate crime
Thu May 16, 2013, 07:16 PM
May 2013

and less focused on busting pot smoking cancer patients.

The Magistrate

(95,244 posts)
33. The Post Would Remain Vacant, Sir
Thu May 16, 2013, 07:25 PM
May 2013

Until there were sixty-five Democrats in the Senate....

I doubt you like the man any more than I do, but the situation at present is what it is.

Warren DeMontague

(80,708 posts)
34. Your point is well taken.
Thu May 16, 2013, 07:31 PM
May 2013

It's too bad the guy did such a bang up-job of alienating voters like myself. I had hoped he would be swapped out for the 2nd term. To quote Yoda, now, matters are worse.

Cha

(297,154 posts)
17. The following is Research on AG Holder from
Thu May 16, 2013, 05:46 PM
May 2013

Tx4obama, although I can't find the link now.. and, your link from last night, ProSense, on Voting Rights.

The section here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eric_Holder#Attorney_General_of_the_United_States

Also...

U.S. Arrests 91 In Massive $430 Million Medicare Fraud Bust
October 2012
http://upload.democraticunderground.com/10021487883

The SCOOTER Store power wheelchair company raided in federal probe
February 2013
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-505266_162-57570450/the-scooter-store-power-wheelchair-company-raided-in-federal-probe/

U.S. charges 89 people in $223 million Medicare fraud schemes
May 14, 2013
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1014483461

AG Holder on Voting Rights..

With the Supreme Court having heard oral arguments on the constitutionality of the Voting Rights Act last week, the Obama administration weighed in again Sunday with another impassioned defense of the 1965 law.

"For our nation's Department of Justice, the fair and vigorous enforcement of this and other vital protections -- and their defense against all Constitutional challenges -- constitutes a top priority," read Attorney General Eric Holder's prepared remarks for a speech he was set to give at the Edmund Pettus Bridge Crossing Jubilee. "Let me be clear: although our nation has indeed changed, although the South is far different now, and although progress has indeed been made, we are not yet at the point where the most vital part of the Voting Rights Act can be deemed unnecessary. The struggle for voting rights for all Americans must continue -- and it will

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/03/03/holder-voting-rights-act_n_2802793.html

Holder Stands Up for the Right to Vote

Today’s excellent New York Times editorial rightfully praises Attorney General Eric Holder’s efforts this week to highlight the sanctity of the right to vote in America. In his speech from the Lyndon Baines Johnson presidential library in Austin, Texas, the attorney general said, “The right to vote is not only the cornerstone of our system of government — it is the lifeblood of our democracy. And no force has proved more powerful — or more integral to the success of the great American experiment — than efforts to expand the franchise.”

But this year, we’ve seen a coordinated effort to shrink our democracy and push voters out of the electorate as legislatures across the country have passed laws that will make it harder for Americans – particularly African-Americans, the elderly, students and people with disabilities – to exercise their fundamental right to cast a ballot. The Department of Justice plays a critical role in fighting back against these voter suppression laws. The agency can challenge discriminatory voting laws and stop them from going into effect.

Take action and tell Attorney General Holder you agree with his efforts to protect the right to vote.

http://www.aclu.org/blog/voting-rights/holder-stands-right-vote

You.. http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022850445

Love this comment below the TPM article.. thanks ProSense

PluckyInKY

That's right, Mr. President, stand by your AG. When someone is trying to bring you down you don't help them by giving them what they want which is exactly what Bill Press and other idiots think the president should do.





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