It's now clear, we can thank Bush and Cheney for the Boston bombings

[garybeck]

From CNN:

"Dzhokhar Tsarnaev left a note in the boat where he was captured, a law enforcement official said.
It said the bombings were retribution for what he called U.S. attacks on Muslims in Afghanistan and Iraq."
http://www.cnn.com/2013/05/16/us/boston-bombing-investigation/index.html?hpt=hp_t1

Thanks again, George. Your horrible decisions and policies continue to haunt us years after your failed presidency "ended."

How many jihadists did you create? how many more people hate America, and are willing to blow themselves up to kill Americans, because you invaded their country and killed hundreds of thousands of innocent civilians? How many Americans have been and will be killed by these haters you created? You created a GENERATION of people in the middle east who hate America. The likelihood that the Boston bombings are the last we've seen of them is not very high. Nice job, George.

[cali]

1. I'm perfectly happy to blame bushco for, well, a lot, but this is silly

you do realize that under Obama, targeted drone killings in Muslim countries has been ongoing, right? And that war in Afghanistan? Still going on under this President.

Your post is partisan nonsense.

[Unknown Beatle]

3. Look at it another way.

There would be no wars in Iraq and Afghanistan if not for McChimp invading those countries. Obama wouldn't be using drones killing and the war in Afghanistan would be a moot point if the US had stayed out those places to begin with.

I agree with the OP, it's definitely Chimp and the Dick's fault.

[cali]

6. sorry, that's just partisan nonsense. Obama kept the wars going and even ramped up

the Afghanistan war and the drone killings. Those are facts, no matter how you look at it. I can play the if game too: If Obama hadn't ramped up Afghanistan. If he hadn't increased targeted drone killings....

The fact is that both Bush and Obama have done stuff that invites blowback and so did other Presidents long before them- not that I think the Tsarnaev brothers actually gave a shit about it.

[MrSlayer]

2. It's a fun narrative.

But I don't think you can blame the bombers' assholism on Chimp and Dickface. They did that all on their own.

[RoccoR5955]

5. The point is....

...that they would not have had any reason to do it, had "Chimp and Dickface" not attacked Iraq and Afghanistan.

Chalk another one up to the Bush Crime Syndicate.

[MrSlayer]

11. So, before "Iraqi Freedom" everything was fine?

They would have had no reason? Really? Were these dudes Afghanis or Iraqis? No. They were Muslim fundy whackos doing that radical Islam thing.

There was plenty of this kind of nonsense long before the Chimperor's handlers pulled the coup.

If it wasn't this, it would be something else.

[4_TN_TITANS]

15. I think those nutjobs would have found some other reason

to do what they did. But, I'm fine with blaming DimSon and Darth.

[Dreamer Tatum]

18. So if I knock over a bank and make sure to blame Bush and Cheney

it's all square with you?

Nice. Let me know when you're atty general. I have some crime planned.

[RoccoR5955]

19. NO...

Perhaps you do not understand the logic. I know, from personal experience that many people do not understand what many of us call "simple logic."
Perhaps I can explain it more.
1)We attacked two countries without reason, Iraq and Afghanistan, both heavily Islamic countries.
2)Islamic people in those countries want retribution for those attacks, and many see violence as proper retribution.
Therefore, had there been no war in these countries, there would be no feeling for those so are so inclined to seek retribution for our attacking them for no reason.
'Nuff said!

[Dreamer Tatum]

20. That might be logic in your world

in my world, however, it's called apologetic bullshit.

If your opinion is truly "logical," then please post proof that either of the brothers is a native of Iraq or Afghanistan. Once you've done that, prove to me that "people in those countries want retribution" (proof in the logical sense, not in your Burger King mask sense).

Since you sell your opinion (which is insulting to the people you pretend to speak for) as logical fact, I'm sure you will struggle mightily.

[RoccoR5955]

22. OK

From Wikipedia, and I believe that I have heard it from other sources:

During an initial interrogation in the hospital, Dzhokhar said Tamerlan was the mastermind. He said they were motivated by extremist Islamist beliefs and the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, and that they were self-radicalized and unconnected to any outside terrorist groups, but that they had learned how to build explosive devices from an online magazine of the al-Qaeda affiliate in Yemen. He said that he and his brother had decided after the Boston bombings to travel to New York City to bomb Times Square. Dzhokhar was charged on April 22, while still in the hospital, with use of a weapon of mass destruction and malicious destruction of property resulting in death.

I also find your "burger king mask" comment quite insulting, and a personal attack. Please attack my points, not my person. I do also believe that these sort of personal attacks are against policy here. Just FYI.

Can you show me where it is flawed? I also don't understand why is it "apologetic BS" as you call it, if it was stated by a suspect in an interrogation.

[The Straight Story]

7. You can't blame the person here

If they didn't have access to fireworks and pressure cookers this would not have happened.

You have to blame...well freedom. Think about it - if we didn't let citizens have anything they could use to harm others such things like this could not happen. We failed in that we let people like you and me have access to such things.

At some point in time we need to limit our freedoms, allow more people like bush, cheney, etc have more freedoms and then the rest of us will be safer.

Even if 0.01% of people used things like pressure cookers and fireworks to harm others we would be ahead off to remove access to all others and their joys and fun to protect the rest of us (well, unless you get employed by the government, then you are ok to buy and use such things as we trust them more than us).

If it saves just one life, if it saves the children, we should do all we can to ban it.

People. Citizens. Don't trust them. Trust those old white guys in DC as they are far more trust worthy with guns, gun powder, etc than us. But then when they kill others, it is legal and paid for by us and called a police action and defense - even when it is teens in yemen being blown up.

[4_TN_TITANS]

16. Don't be down on pressure cookers.

They are essential for my family to preserve our own homegrown food.

[Pelican]

4. Uh huh...

Fun idea.. How about we blame the person who set the bomb instead?

[ET Awful]

8. Funny, I thought the Tzarnaev brothers were to blame.

Blaming Bush for what they did is like blaming Clinton for what McVeigh did.

[fasttense]

9. You are correct.

And it's very interesting that the very first time the Supreme Court picked our president for us, the picked the worst president in the history of this county. If all the votes had been counted in his brother's state of Florida, we would have had a President Gore. Instead we had for the very first (but possibly Not the last) time in the history of our country his father's Supreme Court pick our president and the gave us a real loser. Which tells you something about the Supremes.

[cali]

10. so, the fact that since 2008, we continued and amped up both the war in Afghanistan

and targeted drone killings is irrelevant? I could argue that if we'd stopped these actions, then perceptions would be different, but why bother? I don't think these were major factors in the Tsarnaev brothers crimes- despite what Dzhokhar says. I'm with onenote's assessment of it: the psychology of these guys has more in common with Dylan Klebold and Eric Harris than jihadists.

[RoccoR5955]

23. Actually I thought that The Supremes

were a very good singing group, back in the 60s.
As far as selecting a president, I do not believe that they would be qualified. Besides, they broke up in 1969.

[reformist2]

12. Even if logically true, I wonder if such inflammatory statements ever change minds...

[jimmy_dun]

13. Blowback

Christ, what is this, the Free Republic? I don't know how anyone can compare Bush & the Iraqis w/ Clinton & McVeigh, as one poster tried to do.

Let's rewind to 1990 (?) and the first Gulf war, when we bombed the crap out of Iraq. I remember thinking, "we're creating a whole new generation of people that don't like us". Sure enough, along comes Bin Laden and 9-11. It's called "Blowback" -- they don't hate us for our freedoms, they hate us for our actions.

[CJCRANE]

14. I'm not so sure on this occasion...

the older brother seemed like a rebel looking for a cause.

He tried on different jihads for size.

However, he didn't fit in with the Chechen crowd (fighting the Russians) because he was too Americanized.

He didn't fit in with the Palestianians (fighting the Israelis) because he couldn't speak Arabic.

So, finally, he turned on the people who took him in and gave him a chance of a new life away from Russian oppression.

[Dreamer Tatum]

17. And while we're at it, the Crusades as well.

Plus I had a really hot fart in my car yesterday...also a Bush/Cheney thing.

[Puzzledtraveller]

21. I hear you

It's like it becomes a game, 6 Degree of Bush/Cheney.