US cropcircle May 13 Tennessee

[lovuian]

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http://www.openminds.tv/crop-circle-appears-in-rural-tennessee-1016/

BLT Research has reported a crop circle found in a hay-field in rural Tennessee. The circle was found on May 13, 2013 in a field near the town of Gray, which is in northeastern Tennessee near the border with Virginia. Nancy Talbott, the president of BLT, says, “The design is reported as consisting of two ‘half-moon’ shapes facing in opposite directions connected by a ‘bar’ of some kind, with two complete circles ‘inside’ each of the half-moons.”

The circle is in high grass that has been reportedly pushed down, and there are no footsteps or vehicle tracks leading up to the formation.

BLT tracks crop circles in the United States on their website at:
http://www.bltresearch.com/usacropcircles

since some DUERS do not like this link source
more sources are available now with an aerial view
local news channels are reporting on the crop circles now

Here are more links
Aerial slideshow
http://www.wjhl.com/slideshow?widgetid=80987&slideshowimageid=2
http://www.wjhl.com/story/22237587/aliens-or-teenage-prank-crop-circle-in-gray-has-residents-wondering
news channel 11
http://www.local8now.com/home/headlines/18699024.html#.UZ7mNcq9KSo
Coast to Coast has reported it also and Free Republic

this isn't the first crop circle in Tennessee

Crop circle time

[Poll_Blind]

1. Anything to get youngsters more interested in math is what I say!

Some of the more complex ones depicting Fibonacci's famous vermiform appendages or whatever they are blow my mind.

PB

Edit: I don't know math and so I had to make up the name for those designs. This is why more kids need to learn it. Let my generation be the last.

[lovuian]

2. No matter who makes them They are great

glad to see some US ones

[Warren DeMontague]

24. Yes, they could be caused by any number of different

people.

[Warren DeMontague]

25. Here's one for you.

[nenagh]

28. I always thought that Crop Circle looked similar to an image from a Mandelbrot Set

[ismnotwasm]

66. It does! My favorite in fact

[nenagh]

69. Just beautiful...

Thank you...

[Warren DeMontague]

77. Bingo.

Of course if they were really going to do it, they'd need to use wooden planks of ever-smaller sizes, iterating down to infinity, and it would take them forever.

[ismnotwasm]

78. LoL

That's the problem with those pesky fractals. They just never stop

[OriginalGeek]

134. Mandelbrot?

MOAR LIEK MANDELBUTT! amirite?

[gateley]

156. Yes! That's it!!

[gateley]

155. I've seen some made by engineers that were astounding! And I agree --

the Fibonacci spirals were beautiful.

[rhett o rick]

186. The only way to get the youth to be more interested in math is to make it

a necessity to get into their FaceBook accounts.

[sigmasix]

3. amazing human creations

I'm always amazed at the creativity and genius of human beings. Creating these crop circles in the cover of night must be exhausting. I like the ones with multiple smaller geometric shapes- kinda like fireworks on the ground...

[WinkyDink]

93. Riiight. Especially the exact same things made centuries ago. Especially those created in WATCHED

fields.

[sigmasix]

118. I'm sorry-does santa bring you gifts too?

Obviously these crop designs are the result of inhuman agents using interstellar grafitti to mark thier territory... Or maybe ghosts are trying to tell us that we locked our keys in the trunk.

[demwing]

127. Yes, Santa brings me gifts. Not so for you?

I think you're on the naughty list. That sucks.

[longship]

4. Everybody knows they're made by invisible, trans-dimensional Big Foot.

With help from chupacabra. That's why there's never, ever any goats where we see crop circles. Clever of those Big Foot, eh?

[freshwest]

150. That's my story and I'm sticking to it. Or aliens. Always got them to blame.

Some claim they are from Earth magnetism. Or the universe is warning us we're screwed. I prefer the invisible yeti legend.

[Jeff In Milwaukee]

162. Isn't the plural Big Feet? Big Foots? (nt)

[longship]

163. Who knows.

Big feet is more of a description of Big Foot anatomy. Big foots sounds horrible.

Just like the plural of deer is deer, I think the plural of Big Foot is Big Foot.

[TheDebbieDee]

228. The plural of Big Foot could be Big Footi........

[Eleanors38]

234. I thought it was big footsies.

[Jeff In Milwaukee]

169. I'll worry about it on the day that I see two of them together...

Right after I take Big Shit in my pants.

[MiniMe]

5. Somebody is researching bacon, lettuce, and tomato?

[demwing]

128. Saw that too, now I'm snackish

wonder if they're hiring?

[freshwest]

151. Was wondering about that... Can they grow them together, now? Oh, right, pig tomatoes.

[mick063]

6. The vast distances of space

So many intelligent life forms out there and we may never directly encounter a single one of them. I wonder how many became extinct from burning fossil fuels?

[RC]

139. I know of one.

It was lead by a ruling class that called themselves Republicans.

[DiverDave]

7. 2011??

didnt include that little fact.

[VOX]

8. The video is from 2011; the article link is to a 5/13/2013 event...

Look (and read) afore ye judge.

[JaneyVee]

9. Is it crop circle season already?

[Autumn]

10. I love those things! Earth art.

rec

[gateley]

157. I like that -- Earth Art.

[HappyMe]

11. They are pretty cool.

I saw a documentary a few years back about them. It was about a bunch of guys in England that do them. The ones that they did were spectacular. I felt bad for the farmers though, since they lost a good deal of their crop.

[politicat]

13. It depends on the crop and the time of year.

Spring, on hay grass, barley or even wheat? Most grasses should be rolled when they're several inches tall anyway to firm up the earth so the stems will stay erect. By harvest time, the circle is gone with no loss because the grasses have righted themselves.

You can't do a crop circle in corn or soy because it does damage the plants.

And the closer to harvest, the more damage it does.

[HappyMe]

15. I don't recall what the crops were.

I didn't know that the plants could right themselves. I just assumed that they would be broken enough so that they couldn't be used.

[baldguy]

12. It's those wind turbines.

[In_The_Wind]

23. So ... the wind did it.

[freshwest]

152. Tiny little dust devils. I've seen those. Yep. That's it.

[Berlum]

14. Positive proof of stuff and things

As everyone no doubt is in absolute unanimous agreement.

[Liberal_in_LA]

16. proof aliens exist and like to smish down corn

[flamingdem]

18. smish

great word

[Liberal_in_LA]

19. ooops. smush

[SidDithers]

20. I'd stick with smish...

Sid

[Iggo]

21. I'm for smish.

[OriginalGeek]

136. I would like to jump on the smish bandwagon

from here on out where I might have used "smush" I will now use smish.

[Liberal_in_LA]

141. lol

[jberryhill]

54. We used to smish corn in a barrel

And then let it sit for about six weeks before putting it in the still.

[Yo_Mama]

114. Making Smishnoff

So clear and pure it can burn your tonsils right out.

[Liberal_in_LA]

142. .

[flamingdem]

17. Jethro git yer gun

[wandy]

22. One thing has always troubled me about crop circles...........

How the heck do you do it with out leaving feet prints or tire tracks or even the occasional empty bag of McDonnals fries.

[jberryhill]

55. To into a grassy field and try to find footptrints

[graham4anything]

26. Is the pale thing on the bottom right someone's toe?

[marions ghost]

27. Crop circles

may be made by humans. Or not. Whatever you want to believe.

---but however they are made I think it is with something more high tech than two guys with boards. The complexity of them in such a short time is impossible with primitive tools and the evidence of heat being applied indicates something more sophisticated.

Still a mystery never completely explained.

[Berlum]

29. Complexity

It would be something to have a Mathematical Genius get the geometrical and time-sequential data on all the crop circles that are observed over the course of one year, and then to analyze the crop circle phenomenon data from the realm of pure math.

[marions ghost]

32. I thought they already did that in England

linked the various mathematical configurations.

[Orrex]

30. I don't think that's correct

however they are made I think it is with something more high tech than two guys with boards. The complexity of them in such a short time is impossible with primitive tools and the evidence of heat being applied indicates something more sophisticated.

I've seen numerous programs debunking that very notion, with deliberately hyper-complex circles proposed as a means to test the limts of board-and-rope technology. It was shown, in short, that a startling degree of complexity can be achieved by a small team (under a dozen people) working in darkness with boards and rope.

I'm not going to go into a whole big thing about it because crop circles are the most thoroughly debunked hoax since Uri Geller, but people still believe in them, just like they still believe in him.

[Berlum]

34. A lot of sneaky people got one hell of a lot of free time to pull off this so-called "hoax"

They "create" hundreds and hundreds of these things a year. Must be sweet to have all that free time, year after year after year after year after year after year after year after year after year after year after year.

[Orrex]

35. I had plenty of time during my college years

If I'd had access to a grain field, you'd have heard about a few more crop circles, I promise. Hell, I knew a couple of truly dedicated Dungeons & Dragons players who spent hours each day on the game. It would be nothing for them to spend a few night in a field with a board and ropes. And that was just one small group of people in one town in Pennsylvania. Extrapolate that world-wide and you get a large population of people willing to get in on the joke.

A lot of sneaky people got one hell of a lot of free time to pull off this so-called "hoax"

It doesn't take nearly as much time as you seem to think; even complex circles can be created in a single night, and the original hoaxers created dozens all by themselves before the ruse was discovered.

It's not at all surprising that a handful of determined individuals around the world could pull this off. It's actually more surprising to me that people think it so difficult.

[Brickbat]

57. It's like you don't even know a single geek.

[morningfog]

106. Exactly, this is an awesome hobby.

[Codeine]

61. Nerdy people make time for shit like this.

Just like we free up our Wednesday afternoons for New Comic Book Day, our Saturdays for boardgames or D&D, and a week in July for ComicCon.

It's not like we're out playing sports or anything!

[Berlum]

63. Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha

Thank you all for your fanciful "explanations" about all the sneaky people with all the free time. This thread needed a good laff.

[progressoid]

75. It can be done in a matter of hours...and on the beach.

Better than sitting in a bar watching football...

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2113843/The-amazing-beach-artist-Andres-Amador-starts-day-new-canvas.html

The American artist has been creating a series of new designs, spending hours painstakingly carving giant doodles on the beach, some spanning a massive 300 by 500 foot.

He uses Google Earth to pick out the best beaches for his designs. He then patiently waits for a full moon to make sure tides are low enough for him to complete his design before it is washed away by the sea.

[KatyMan]

213. I take great umbrage with one of your points:

Better than sitting in a bar watching football...

There's not much better than that!

[progressoid]

215. Ha! Sorry about that.

How about, "better than sitting in a stadium watching Justin Bieber"?

[KatyMan]

217. :) That works!

Have a great Memorial Day weekend!

[Warren DeMontague]

79. You mean as opposed to extraterrestrials traveling hundreds or thousands of light years to do it?

Instead of just showing up on CNN and going "hello, would you like to look at some cool pictures we can make?"

[progressoid]

76. This is easily explained...

[Berlum]

83. Prairie Dogs rejoice ecstatically as the Crop Circle Overlords do their thing

[Xithras]

124. My daughter made one last year.

Outside of Davis, CA. Her and a half dozen other kids thought it would be fun and whipped it out in a few hours. They used nothing except planks, ropes, cheap GPS units, and convenience store laser pointers to keep their lines straight.

It's funny that the believers always like to show the pretty ones, but always avoid posting the funny ones like these...probably because it's hard to argue that the "grays" made them:










I'm pretty sure that last one was real though. Totally makes sense that aliens would come here for Elvis...

[SidDithers]

148. Good stuff...

Sid

[sufrommich]

31. Google " how to make crop circles".

There's really nothing mysterious about it. It's become so popular that it's got it's own group of "all stars" now.

[marions ghost]

33. Not sufficiently explained

I think it's more high tech than those DIY methods. I don't need to google it. Not gonna change my mind. I do think humans are behind it but none of the explanations have ever added up for me. I think they are made by a remote source using a high level technology.

[Orrex]

36. That's the god of the gaps fallacy

The technique has been explained and demonstrated and observed and recorded so often that it's truly beyond dispute, yet a hardcore contingent still decides to believe that some extra-normal phenomenon is at work.

You've explicitly stated that evidence will not convince you; that's a religious mindset and not rational curiosity.

[marions ghost]

81. I've seen the evidence

I'm not convinced. This was not a religious experience.

Why do you care?

[Orrex]

85. Compassion inspires me to action when I see people believing in nonsense

And you stated that you won't change your mind regardless of evidence. That's religious thinking, even if you don't want to call it that.

[marions ghost]

92. You're just hilarious

I deal with scientists all the time. There's a lot of "belief" in science.

[Orrex]

96. "Belief" never trumps evidence

Ask any of the many scientists that you know how many times they've cast aside their evidence and published scientific papers based on belief.

[marions ghost]

98. make it a dichotomy if you like

but the reality is different. Scientific evidence is often wrong. What is believed in science changes when new data comes along. Lots of science is theoretical. Much in science is inexact. I take all scientific "evidence" just like I take everything else--with a big dose of skepticism.
There is probably nothing that I believe in absolutely. No Truths, no Absolutes. Everything in this plane of existence is open to conjecture. Belief in any certainties of ANY kind strikes me as funny. It's human and all that, but funny. We don't know much.

[Orrex]

105. You're conflating "acceptance" with "belief"

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Scientists, of whom you know so many, accept a conclusion based upon evidence. In the absence of evidence, belief is offered as a pseudo-explanation of a phenomenon.

It's a dichotomy only insofar as one is based upon reproducible observation, while the other is based a leap in the absence of evidence.

Belief can be the start of scientific inquiry, but it is never the penultimate step before conclusion.


Go ahead and ask all of those scientists that you deal with. I'll wait.

[marions ghost]

126. Less caffeine might help

lighten up.

[Orrex]

130. It took you more than 30 hours to come up with that?

I'm tempted to call you something that would cause my post to be hidden.

[marions ghost]

131. Go find another receptacle for your bile

[Orrex]

132. Bile? Of all the gall.

[marions ghost]

137. Let's leave it here

[cbdo2007]

120. "Belief" and "Science" are both needed to come to logical conclusions

and some things truly *can't* be explained by science.

Science has proven that humans can recreate crop circles and that many crop circles have been created by humans. That doesn't mean Aliens have never created a crop circle here.

With the general scientific understanding that there are billions of other life-supporting planets out there and other dimensions, you certainly can't disprove that Aliens have visited us and like to make pretty pictures out of corn.

[Orrex]

121. The burden is on the claimant

If the claim is made that aliens (or other non-human source) have created crop circles, let the claimant put forth the evidence. Until such evidence is presented, then the belief is nothing more than an assertion of faith.

With the general scientific understanding that there are billions of other life-supporting planets out there and other dimensions, you certainly can't disprove that Aliens have visited us and like to make pretty pictures out of corn.

Nor have I claimed to have disproved that claim that Aliens have done so. Instead, I have pointed out that there is no evidence in favor of that belief and a great deal of evidence showing that crop circles are an entirely man-made and non-supernatural phenomenon.

If someone wants to believe in such nonsense, then that's their business. But when they put forth that belief as an explanation of the phenomenon, then they open themselves to critique and response.

[Codeine]

40. "I don't need to google it. Not gonna change my mind."

That's the philosophical basis of Republicanism, dude. Deliberate pig-ignorance is a sad, sad thing.

There's any number of videos out there of people with technology no more sophisticated than nylon rope and 2X4s making crop circles of fantastic beauty and complexity. It's art.

[Autumn]

42. Well I think you hit it out of the ball park

It is indeed art, beautiful, man made art.

[zappaman]

58. +1 for art!

Some are quite beautiful.

[marions ghost]

80. I agree it's art

but I question what i've seen in the "how it was done" videos. Too much precision. I can easily imagine a more sophisticated technology.

Believe your way & I'll believe mine. Here's some "true facts" for ya:

[snooper2]

135. I'm a remote source and I have a high level of technology

Fuck,

I've got not one but TWO HP Compaq LA2205wg monitors

[marions ghost]

138. LOL

[Hugabear]

44. "impossible with primitive tools"

Tell that to the ancient Egyptians, Mayans, Aztecs, and countless others who created precise architectural structures.

Unless you want to believe aliens were involved, since they didn't have high tech tools.

[Orrex]

60. So you're saying that ancient Egyptians, Mayans & Aztecs are making today's crop circles?

I like it!

[marions ghost]

82. nah

--not to put down the ancients who were geniuses but there was not the level of precision. If you think so, give an example.

[Roland99]

52. Yeah, because this is some SERIOUSLY advanced technology used here!! >>>>

BTW, where was the mention of "heat" in that article??

[jberryhill]

56. Aliens taught the pranksters

[Logical]

64. You have to be kidding. 100% sure humans did it. If not who the hell did? n-t

[SidDithers]

37. Kick for CT woo in GD...

Sid

[NYC_SKP]

41. +1 (nt)

[Logical]

65. +1000 n-t

[zappaman]

95. +1001. n/t

[Fawke Em]

38. Oh, how cool!

I live in Tennessee and welcome this intelligence (either from aliens or the talented people who did this).

[Archae]

39. Right now a group of about 3-4 guys in a bar in TN...

Are laughing their asses off at the "crop circle experts" who see all kinds of mystical shit in what they created with rope and a board.

[Fawke Em]

43. They're still smarter than Stacey Campfield.

We've got to have something here in Tennessee to offset that idiot.

[NaturalHigh]

45. That would be a fun conversation to hear!

[LongTomH]

62. More likely some geeky math majors pulling on a bong

"Oh wow, dude! Did we play with the heads of the straights!!!!"

[SidDithers]

46. They're everywhere!!...

Sid

[SidDithers]

47. More quality content from bltresearch...

The site provided in the OP, that GD Hosts don't think is CT Woo, also gives us this stunning photograph of an alien...

Grasshopper-Headed Creatures
In addition to the presence of the white powder there was something else extraordinary related to the June 21st Hoeven circle. In the evening after it appeared (night of June 21st-22nd) Robbert and Stan returned to the field to see the formation again. While standing in the large center circle (where the white powder had been deposited) they suddenly saw -- more intuitively than visually--what they both independently perceived as 5 or 6 small (about 1-1/2 ft. tall) light-purple-colored creatures "dancing playfully in the air" around them.

These were "spiritual" beings with big heads and large eyes (shaped like a "grasshopper's head&quot but more "human-looking" bodies...creatures which Robbert felt were, although really odd-looking, both sweet and somehow "natural" and "helping Nature" in some way.

As peculiar as this experience seemed to both of them (not to mention how it sounds to the rest of us), it lasted several minutes and Robbert and Stan not only "saw" the little creatures as being composed of exactly the same "grasshopper-like" head and more "human" body configuration (and all of them purple in color), they also both felt the "playful" and "funny" energy. Robbert said it was a little like watching the "Muppet" show.

They had brought no cameras with them on the night of June 21-22. But months later, in the early morning hours of September 10, 2012, Stan was at Robbert's when Robbert began to sense the same sweet, playful energy he had felt around the little dancing purple grasshopper-headed creatures -- but this time the energy was inside his apartment -- and it was so strong Robbert says it made him feel like laughing.

http://www.bltresearch.com/robbert/dutchoverview2012.php



Sid

[octoberlib]

140. Bwahaha! Aliens wear turtlenecks? nt

[SidDithers]

48. Awesome stuff at bltresearch...

where they think this is a photo of a real alien:



Nope. No CT material or kooky sites here.
http://www.bltresearch.com/robbert/dutchoverview2012.php

Sid

[lovuian]

50. I have a question for you....Do you think we are going to discover

life on other planets? or do you think we are all alone in the universe?

[SidDithers]

53. I think there's a strong probablility of life on other planets...

and a 0% probability that the bullshit being promoted by the crazy ass sites you're using in your OP have any basis in reality.

Seriously, grasshopper heads?

Don't we have a Creative Speculation Group for grasshopper headed alien crop circles?

Sid

[lovuian]

84. So you believe there is a strong probability of life on other planets

So you belief there is a strong probability we are not alone

so lets take the logic farther

if there is life then is there a strong probability that it maybe of higher intelligence than we are?

or are the life forms all going to be of lower intelligence

are we the elite life in the Universe?

What's your take?

[Warren DeMontague]

87. I'll answer: Strong probability of life on other planets.

In fact, so strong as for me to believe it's probably inevitable.

I also think that, given the fact that for the majority of the history of life on Earth, life was at the bacterial stage, most life out there is similarly bacterial.

I do believe there is other intelligent life out there. How frequent, is a good question.

However, space is BIG. The idea that they're visiting us regularly, is a major stretch. We (or some of us) like to think we occupy some privileged or important or even large spot in the cosmos, but it's entirely likely that we haven't even been spotted yet by other intelligent life.

And there is no guarantee- none- that FTL travel is possible. In fact, given what we know now, it's not. So interstellar travel becomes quite a bit more daunting under those circumstances.

Lastly, if extraterrestrials were visiting us, why the games, the hiding, the cheap photoshops and flying hubcaps? It's telling that with Alien visitation, like "God", the "evidence" is generally presented as sooooper-secret ultra-obscured hidden proof or codes or man you really have to look at the toast a certain way to see Jesus. It's never "right here! Here I am! On the 10 o clock news!".. Why would things about which it's apparently so important to "believe", do such a crap job of offering evidence for their existence?

....and when you do look closely at the proffered "evidence", it turns out to be bullshit.

[SidDithers]

90. Good answer...

I was gonna just go with "Space is big", but you said it better than I would have.

Certainly with less snark.

Sid

[Warren DeMontague]

91. If they showed up tomorrow, I would think it was the coolest thing ever.

But I'm not exactly holding my breath.

Plus, you never know what might happen.

[lovuian]

103. Thanks guys for your great answers

Interplanetary travel
In a major space policy speech at Kennedy Space Center on April 15, 2010, U.S. President Barack Obama predicted a manned Mars mission to orbit the planet by the mid-2030s, followed by a landing:

By the mid-2030s, I believe we can send humans to orbit Mars and return them safely to Earth. And a landing on Mars will follow. And I expect to be around to see it

The Dutch aerospace project, which is aiming to put four humans on Mars by 2023, started accepting applications and audition tapes early last week. Co-founder Bas Lansdorp is hoping to receive anywhere from 500,000 to a million sign-ups

Who knows what the future brings

[Warren DeMontague]

108. Indeed. And great ideas, all.

Still, the difference between the distance from the Earth to Mars and the distance from the Earth to Alpha Centauri is roughly equivalent to the difference between the distance between your head and your feet, and the distance between San Francisco and New York.

Also, to add: I *hope* interstellar travel is eventually possible. I think it would be a bummer if it wasn't. But I highly doubt we would go all that way and not just say "HI! WE'RE HERE!" Instead, only to sneak around and do stuff like anally probe farmers in remote meth country, while no one is looking.

[lovuian]

111. Are you sure there is no life on MARs?

the Mars Express orbiter had directly detected huge reserves of water ice at Mars' south pole in January 2004

The Phoenix Mars lander from NASA, which landed in the Mars Arctic plain in May 2008, confirmed the presence of frozen water near the surface.

Trace amounts of methane in the atmosphere of Mars were discovered in 2003 and verified in 2004

The existence of life in the form of microorganisms such as methanogens is among possible, but as yet unproven sources. If microscopic Martian life is producing the methane, it likely resides far below the surface, where it is still warm enough for liquid water to exist

We just may not have found it yet

[Warren DeMontague]

112. No, what would give you that idea?

I think it's quite possible, and if it's found, it would be exciting.

But I think it's highly unlikely that there's anything more advanced than bacteria.

Under the ice of Europa is another interesting possibility.

But again, there's a giant difference between finding bacteria on Mars and grasshopper-headed aliens in Turtlenecks making crop circles.

[0rganism]

122. intelligent life on other planets appears almost inevitable

And yet the possibility that any of it has ever traveled to this planet, let alone gives a shit about pranking or otherwise communicating with our primitive population seems rather small, bordering on the negligible. IMHO.

In the immortal words of Mr. Watterson:

[jberryhill]

59. Do you believe in Jesus?

If not, then how do you explain this:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/mobileweb/2013/02/25/bird-turd-jesus_n_2759963.html

[Logical]

67. We might discover it but the damn things have not visited us. No proof at all. n-t

[Warren DeMontague]

86. A visitor from the planet "Blur Tool"

In the Galaxy of Photoshop.

[SidDithers]

88. They had grasshopper heads, man. Grasshopper heads!!...nt

Sid

[Warren DeMontague]

89. "Behold! The Great Emancipator!"

Okay, that's an ant head, but close enough.

[sufrommich]

100. I refuse to believe that any super intelligent

alien from outer space would be caught dead in a turtleneck.I'm not buying it.

[SidDithers]

104. And how do they get the turtleneck over their giant grasshopper head?...

You'd think any alien species with giant grasshopper heads would be using some sort of cardigan, or at least a deep V-neck.

Sid

[Warren DeMontague]

110. My 6,000 year old spirit guide says they only go for button down shirts from Lands End, $29.95 each.

Let's put it another way; wool rubbing against antennae? Do the math: ANNOYING!

[SidDithers]

115. And mighty stylish they are, too...

Amazingly, tho, the grasshopper head aliens have human hands and necks.

Go figure.

Sid

[Warren DeMontague]

116. That right there is why I stopped taking acid.

[freshwest]

158. One hot summer night we were driving down the freeway with a guy high on mushrooms.

There was a huge sign display above a Shell station, with red letters on yellow light boxes.

The letter S was out. Man, did he ever freak out, thought we'd taken him to HELL.

It was payback for him scaring the Bejeezus out of us driving all night on I-10.

[Warren DeMontague]

159. MUAHAHAHAHAHA

See, if he'd been cool you might have taken him here, instead:

[freshwest]

165. He had his good points and bad points. Bad, stole my furniture and lost our kitty across town.

Fortunately, the kitty managed to find its way back about twenty miles, past a couple of freeways and all those streets. Don't know how he figured it out. That little tomcat always wanted to get under covers when we were doing - the - you know. But he later got bored and left us, guess the adventure made him a cat of the world, in his own view.

On the good side, this guy was able to talk the university we attended into holding a free rock concert there one summer. Got the bands and all of that. It was pretty cool and drew in people from several communities. We spent time that night cleaning up the campus. The concert ended up being good and bad, as some of the non-students that came to the university thought some theft and rape would be a nice finish to the evening.

We fortunately stopped them in the act, but it was terrifying for a girl in our complex. We let them keep the material stuff and ran them away. That tainted the high point of the memory, haven't thought of that night in years.

BTW, it wasn't my idea to take him to the SHELL > HELL station. But college students can get into all kinds of things.

[fishwax]

143. lol

that picture

[lovuian]

49. I do know that Tenn is Al Gore's state the one guy

who supports the getting off fossil fuels and going solar or wind

Maybe the makers of the cropcircles ....like Al

[Roland99]

51. Um, since when would footsteps be visible in high grass?

esp. after several hours?

[Logical]

68. WTF is this not locked or moved? n-t

[SidDithers]

70. GD Hosts think that links to UFO / Alien Abduction / Crop Circle websites are just fine...

Many GD Hosts routinely ignore the "No Conspiracy Theories" part of the SOP.

GD is basically a woo free-for-all.

Sid

[Logical]

74. Yea, just what I need, ESP, PSI and Crop Circles shit in the GD. n-t

[marions ghost]

101. Baby diaper changing in Starbucks

was one of the hottest topics in GD recently. I think this is a lot higher level.

[Logical]

107. Good point! n-t

[lovuian]

184. I think you should accept the decision of the jury

a crop circle has been made in Tennessee
http://www.wjhl.com/slideshow?widgetid=80987&slideshowimageid=1
and local news agencies are now reporting it

[SidDithers]

192. And bltresearch is still a ridiculous source with hilarious pictures...nt

Sid

[lovuian]

201. The information that the source gave was CORRECT a crop circle in TENN

was formed and verified by locals

and local TV stations later with an aerial view

You don't like the source but the source was correct with its information

[SidDithers]

205. More awesome content from bltresearch...

On William's 2nd or 3rd night in Holland in 2010 Robbert had begun to feel an "energy" present. William turned on his video camera and followed Robbert upstairs, where in one corner of the hallway Robbert established "contact" with this energy. He "heard" the name John and "felt" the violence of this man's death. He then became aware that John had been a musician, and was very famous...and, although Robbert hesitated to say what he "heard" next, he finally did say John's last name -- it was "Lennon."

That's right. The fine researchers at blt think they have photos of a close encounter with the spirit of JOHN FUCKING LENNON!


Linking to right-wing sites isn't appropriate at DU, even if they're reporting something "true". Neither is linking to crazy-ass woo sites.

Sid

[Berlum]

71. "Censoring information would be illogical." - Spock

[Logical]

72. Creative Speculation is perfect for this idiotic post. n-t

[rhett o rick]

149. It this type of thread is so scary for you, why dont you just pass on by?

Why do you and the "others" think it necessary to try to shut it down? Is it a power thing?

[Logical]

160. Scared? Of aliens? There is a reason these type of posts are not...

Allowed in the GD! It is because they are absolutely foolish!

[rhett o rick]

164. How foolish a post is is the call of all of us and not just you.

It appears that a majority of people disagree with you and the others that go to such great lengths to shut this thread down. Even after the hosts and Skinner said to let it stand. Even then there are multiple attempts to "convince" the hosts to shut the thread down.

I dont think the post is foolish but even if it was, why the obsession with controlling what others read? I believe "politically liberal" people would error on the side of openness.

It's easy for you to avoid "foolish" posts. Trash the thread and/or put the poster on ignore.

[Logical]

166. This is no doubt a creative speculation post. Please...

Provide the best evidence you have that crop circles are not man made!

[rhett o rick]

168. Why is it so very important to shut this thread down? As you can see most of us

dont have a problem with it.

Besides, crop circles exist, therefore we should be able to discuss them. Maybe we shouldnt discuss things that we cant prove exist, like aliens from space or God.

The point here is that letting this thread stand doesnt hurt anyone. If in doubt, rule on the side of openness and not censorship.

[lovuian]

185. yep

Thank you Skinner
Lov ya

[SidDithers]

73. Crop circles and chemtrails, eh Berlum?...nt

Sid

[zappaman]

97. +1 and wtf? n/t

[WinkyDink]

94. Will the quipsters and skeptics please explain the internal crop changes.

[Bradical79]

123. What internal changes are you talking about?

[Rosa Luxemburg]

99. These Earthlings are up to all sorts of tricks

to make us aliens look bad

[Bucky]

102. I stepped into this thread. Now I'll make crap circles trying to scrape it off my shoes.

[zappaman]

109. You win! n/t

[SidDithers]

113. More awesomeness from bltresearch...

I can't even begin to describe the insanity that goes with that picture. You have to read the link for yourself.

http://www.bltresearch.com/robbert/easter2011.php


Normally, I wouldn't link to shit like this, but GD Hosts have said that this site isn't kooky enough to be redirected to the Creative Speculation Group, so off we go!

Sid

[LongTomH]

125. An alien chihuahua?

[freshwest]

153. Sure as hell looks like it. And that makes sense. The barking frequency makes hoomins skeert.

Honestly, though, it's the cats:

[Phillip McCleod]

117. garbage. thanks for insulting our intelligence..

..and thanks all you gullible tools who think aliens make these. now i know who you are next time you try to use reason in an argument, i'll just remind you that your opinion isn't worth shit because you believe in this kinda woo.

[marions ghost]

129. Get over yourself & your offendedness

At the least crop circles are an interesting art form. Maybe not to your taste. But other people think they are cool, never mind aliens.

[Phillip McCleod]

133. no, i don't think i shall. but thanks for asking. \n

[freshwest]

154. I think they're artistic. As Skinner has said, if everyone is having a good time, leave it.

No one is being converted one way or the other. I post admitted woo often for a laugh and make a point that it is woo. This is not a doctoral thesis here, nobody is grading us on this, let's enjoy ourselves.

[marions ghost]

161. Yes it really brings out the

alpha rationalists who love to stomp on others. It's not a matter of "belief" --it's a matter of open-mindedness and imagination. Which is what art is all about. But many people don't understand art.

There is a lot of incredible precision in some of these creations. I say we don't really know how they are made so quickly in the night without being seen. I could imagine some high tech wizardry being applied. It's not a ridiculous idea. But for the more amazing circles, does it really matter? They are worth appreciating no matter how they come to be. I associate with hard core scientists--you know, classic "show me" (non-woo) people. Even they are mystified and think there is something more technical behind the more impressive ones than a guy dragging a board around. So I'm not just putting out a personal opinion here. Really smart people keep an open mind until conclusive evidence presents (which is true about anything). For me not knowing how they were made isn't even the point --they are still awesome, as art, as performance. Completely amazing how many decades they've been produced--so are the same person(s) dedicating a large part of their lives to this?

IMO the really good circles were made by artists/scientists of the highest order--and we still don't know who they are. I think that is pretty fascinating. Just the fact of their secrecy makes it a unique statement as far as art is concerned. Most artists go for accolades and fame but the circle makers choose anonymity. That is radical.

[rhett o rick]

171. Seriously, why do you think it's so important for the "alpha rationalists" to try to lock a thread

like this? It is an obsession with them. One thought is that they like to bully anyone that is the least outside the norm. Because it makes them feel righteous. Bullying for God, if you will. The other thought is that they are seriously afraid of things outside their reality bubbles. JFK was killed by Oswald and that buttons that up. Takes too many brain cells to go beyond that. But if the second one was true they would be satisfied with just ignoring the thread. Seems like there is a group that is adamant that they get to decide what is reality and what is CT. And they are willing to bully anyone that disagrees. IMHO these are not "politically liberal" people.

[marions ghost]

172. Those who can't tolerate ambiguity

& see everything in black & white --tend to bully anyone they think takes the opposite view from theirs (or even the Middle Way). Yeah, very conservative, moralistic thinking. (I = good. You = bad).

I'm skeptical about anyone who thinks they're 100% right about anything. That's a red flag for me. This life does not contain a lot of certainties. Why be rigid? The future is all about flexibility IMO.

I think you're right that there's fear behind it. Of what I'm not sure. Could be anything. Could be your generic fear & loathing of anything spiritual or religious. Could be embarrassment about "woo woo" and less rational ideas daring to stand in GD (gimme a break--I see lots of stuff that doesn't interest me here, but I don't try to make it disappear). Maybe their last wife ran off with the Hare Krisnas?

[rhett o rick]

174. For some it's fear for others it's an opportunity to bully. nm

[marions ghost]

208. Bullying--yes I see that...

It's like the roving bullies constantly need a fix. They troll around websites & message boards looking for targets. You had me looking up how/why bullies select targets-- this is about workplace bullying but maybe relevant:

Abdication of responsibility for personal choice is a hallmark of bullies. Either a person knows what they are doing and is responsible for their behavior and its consequences for others, or the person is unaware of what they are doing and therefore have diminished responsibility and are in need of psychiatric help. Bullying is in the same league as abuse, molestation, rape, pedophilia and harassment; sadly there are still some people who think that targets of these vile activities are partly responsible for the abuse perpetrated against them.

It is always the bully who is weak and inadequate. Bullies resort to labeling others as "weak" and "unstable" in order to appear "normal" in comparison. Normal people don't need to bully; only weak people need to bully to hide their weakness and inadequacy. Therefore anyone who is exhibiting bullying behaviors is revealing and admitting to being weak and inadequate.

----------------
Workplace bullying--
The bully selects their target using the following criteria:

bullies are predatory and opportunistic - you just happen to be in the wrong place at the wrong time; this is always the main reason - investigation will reveal a string of predecessors, and you will have a string of successors
being good at your job, often excelling
being popular with people (colleagues, customers, clients, pupils, parents, patients, etc)
more than anything else, the bully fears exposure of his/her inadequacy and incompetence; your presence, popularity and competence unknowingly and unwittingly fuel that fear
being the expert and the person to whom others come for advice, either personal or professional (ie you get more attention than the bully)
having a well-defined set of values which you are unwilling to compromise
having a strong sense of integrity (bullies despise integrity, for they have none, and seem compelled to destroy anyone who has integrity)
having at least one vulnerability that can be exploited
being too old or too expensive (usually both)
refusing to join an established clique
showing independence of thought or deed
refusing to become a corporate clone and drone

http://www.bullyonline.org/stress/fear.htm

[rhett o rick]

209. Righteous bullying is believing that your view is the only view and that others should yield.

And you are willing to justify any behavior to get the other to yield. In another thread someone told me that the OP author deserved to be ridiculed because the OP was ridiculous. Another tried to get the OP hidden because it included too many capital letters.

A lot of us are guilty of righteous bullying. I catch myself doing it. For example, I've had to restrain myself from ridiculing or mocking a number of posts in this thread. I am against bullying and therefore I sometimes catch myself trying to justify ridiculing and mocking the bullies. But that would be righteous bullying on my part.

George Zimmerman is a righteous bully IMO. He justified his behavior because he was just trying to keep the neighborhood safe. I see similar behavior here in DU. Posters who take it upon themselves to "police" the rest of us. And they are willing to use bully techniques to get their way.

There is a great book called "The Authoritarians" where the author talks about this subject except he calls them authoritarians in lieu of bullies. The book is small and free and well worth the read.

[marions ghost]

210. Authoritarians abound

--some of them around here might vote Dem but I think they're really Libertarian Authoritarians (whose philosophy is "anything goes & whatever, as long as my view comes out on top&quot .

Yeah it can take some restraint not to mock and ridicule other posters. But taking it upon yourself to police DU and not allow discussions you personally don't like?

Do you think there's a "Bullies Anonymous"--for those who know what they do and want to break the habit?

[SidDithers]

119. Mysterious disappearing Alien from bltresearch...

http://www.bltresearch.com/robbert/dutchoverview2012p2.php

Nine days later (Sept. 15, 2012) an even stranger event occurred in this same field. A TV producer in the Netherlands, John Consemulder, had heard about the photo experiment Robbert's friend Stan had conducted on the night the images of two deceased crop circle people (original UK crop circle researcher Pat Delgado and UK circle hoaxer Dave Chorley) had "manifested" in Robbert's apartment. In Stan's experiment he videotaped continuously as Robbert took 3 photos with his digital camera, clearly showing first that the digital camera had a blank chip in it, that nothing was painted on the digital camera's lens and that Robbert held nothing in front of the lens while being videotaped (see Stan's video with English titles in Part 2: http://www.bltresearch.com/robbert/delgadochorley.php).

The Dutch TV producer wanted to attempt to replicate Stan's experiment, hoping that some kind of anomalous image might occur when Robbert was using the producer's Nikon digital camera while being simultaneously videotaped. The producer wanted to videotape Robbert in this same Hoeven field, inside the September 8th circle, to try his experiment.

With Mr. Consemulder and his cameraman and Robbert's friend Stan all watching, and in broad daylight, Robbert was handed the TV producer's digital camera and then took a few photos -- the first two of which resulted in these images:

Nobody (including Robbert) saw this "creature" with their eyes. It appeared only on the digital camera handed to Robbert by the TV producer seconds before Robbert took these photos. The indigo creature did not appear on the videotape either, although the video continued recording Robbert until he stopped taking digital photos. And both digital images of the indigo creature were seen by all present on the Nikon's LED screen immediately after Robbert had stopped taking photos

I love this website! And since it's not too kooky for GD, I look forward to dozens of more threads from this source.

Sid

[lovuian]

176. You so know the crop circle did exist and local news channels reported on it now

http://www.wjhl.com/story/22237587/aliens-or-teenage-prank-crop-circle-in-gray-has-residents-wondering
there is a aerial view of the crop circle now
Its gorgeous
http://www.wjhl.com/slideshow?widgetid=80987&slideshowimageid=1





http://www.local8now.com/home/headlines/18699024.html#.UZ7mNcq9KSo

[SidDithers]

178. So use the legit source in your OP...

Instead of the crazy-ass grasshopper head aliens sources that you've got in there now.

Sid

[lovuian]

189. the sources were not availible but now

local news agencies have reported it and taken aerial views

of the designs

[SidDithers]

144. bltresearch and pictures of dead guys...

One of Robbert's photos of Nancy's brother Bill, 2 months after he
had died, taken at the Bosschenshoofd field in 2007.

http://www.bltresearch.com/robbert/dutchoverview2012p3.php

No, that's not someone fucking around with a camera and photoshop. It's an actual picture of a dead guy!


Sid

[SidDithers]

145. Kick...nt

Sid

[lovuian]

191. crop circle

lovuian

[SidDithers]

193. Lovely design...

People sure can create wonderful stuff.

Sid

[lovuian]

200. yes they can but the Tennessee crop circle

didn't make the farmer very happy

I guess we won't find out who created it ...it remains a great mystery


aerial view from another one made in Switzerland

the season begins the 2013 year of crop circles

[SidDithers]

202. Nope. No great mystery at all...

People make crop circles of increasing complexity every year. In the absence of any evidence of something other than people making a crop circle, believing in a non-human origin is just fucking ridiculous.

If people can do it, then people did it.

Sid

[lovuian]

204. If you know the people doing it

give us the names

I think the farmer would like to know
It is a mystery because no one knows who did it

[SidDithers]

206. I know that people are doing it...

Because people are capable of doing it and because people have admitted to creating crop circles all over the world.

I don't know which specific people created this specific crop circle in TN.



You don't seriously think that these pieces of art were created by aliens, do you?

Sid

[lovuian]

222. if you KNOW the people who created it

then tell us WHO

their is another explanation than aliens or man ....and that is earth energy and weather

In 1686, British scientist Robert Plot reported on fairy rings in his The Natural History of Stafford-Shire, and said they could be caused by airflows from the sky.[8][9] In 1991 meteorologist Terence Meaden linked this report with modern crop circles, a claim that has been compared with Erich von Däniken's pseudohistoric claims.[10]

A 1880 letter to the editor of Nature by amateur scientist John Rand Capron, describes how a recent storm had created several circles of flattened crops in a field.[11]

In the 1960s, in Tully, Queensland, Australia, and in Canada, there were many reports of UFO sightings and circular formations in swamp reeds and sugar cane fields.[3] For example, in 8 August 1967, three circles were found in a field in Duhamel, Alberta, Canada, and the Department of National Defence sent two investigators, who concluded that it was artificially made but couldn't make definite conclusions on who made them or how.[12] The most famous case is the 1966 Tully "saucer nest", when a farmer said he witnessed a saucer-shaped craft rise 30 or 40 feet (12 m) up from a swamp and then fly away. When he went to investigate the location where he thought the saucer had landed, he found a nearly circular area 32 feet long by 25 feet wide, where the grass was flattened in clockwise curves to water level within the circle and the reeds had been uprooted from the mud".[3][13] The local police officer, the RAAF and the University of Queensland concluded that it was most probably caused by natural causes, like a down draught, a Willy-Willy, or a waterspout.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crop_circle
yes some crop circles are made by men and they have said they have made them
but not all of the crop circles have that evidence

[SidDithers]

223. I said I didn't know the specific people who created this specific circle...

but it was created by people.

If people can create them, and people have created them, then in the absence of any other evidence, people created this one too.

Von Daniken.

Sid

[lovuian]

225. the Brits have trouble catching them

In 2000, Matthew Williams became the first man in the UK to be arrested for causing criminal damage after making a crop circle near Devizes.[31] In November 2000, he was fined £100 and £40 in costs.[32] As of 2008, no one else has been successfully prosecuted in the UK for criminal damage caused by creating crop circles

8 years and no one prosecuted amazing!
Maybe we need to put a drone on it

[SidDithers]

146. Daily bltresearch hilarity...

A golden "joker's" mask appeared three times with the
explanation to Robbert that people should know
laughter is the best antidote for negativity.

http://www.bltresearch.com/robbert/vigay-kingston.php



Sid

[SidDithers]

147. Kick...

since GD Hosts are now locking UFO posts, maybe they'll take another look at this one.

Sid

[lovuian]

188. it made the news long ago

they have been around a long time

[Jesus Malverde]

198. nice..nt

[SidDithers]

207. Except it didn't...

Many people believe that crop circles have been reported for centuries, a claim repeated in many books and websites devoted to the mystery. Their primary piece of evidence is a woodcut from 1678 that appears to show a field of oat stalks laid out in a circle. Some take this to be a first-hand eyewitness account of a crop circle, but a little historical investigation shows otherwise.

The woodcut was actually used to illustrate what in folklore is called a "mowing devil" legend, in which an English farmer told a worker with whom he was feuding that he "would rather pay the Devil himself" to cut his oat field than pay the fee demanded. The source of the harvesting is not unknown or mysterious — it is indeed Satan himself, who can be seen in the woodcut holding a scythe. According to the original text of the legend, the devil "cut them in round circles, and plac't every straw with that exactness that it would have taken up above an Age for any Man to perform what he did that one night." This image and story cannot be related to crop circles because it states explicitly that the crop was cut (i.e., harvested) rather than laid down, as occurs in crop circles.

http://www.livescience.com/26540-crop-circles.html

Sid

[lovuian]

224. I just posted the picture from Wikipedia on Crop circles Folklore

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crop_circle

Researchers of crop circles have linked modern crop circles to old folkloric tales, to support the claim that they are not artificially produced.[2] Circle crops are culture-dependent: they appear mostly in Western countries and Japan, but they don't appear at all in Muslim countries.[58]

Fungi can cause circular areas of crop to die, probably the origin of tales of "fairie rings".[2] Tales also mention balls of light many times, but never in relation to crop circles.[2]





1678 pamphlet on the "Mowing-Devil".
A 17th-century English woodcut called the Mowing-Devil depicts the devil with a scythe mowing (cutting)[59] a circular design in a field of oats. The pamphlet containing the image states that the farmer, disgusted at the wage his mower was demanding for his work, insisted that he would rather have "the devil himself" perform the task. This is, however, not a historical precedent of crop circles because the stalks were cut down, not bent.[2] The circular form indicated to the farmer that it had been caused by the devil.[2]

In the 1948 German story Die zwölf Schwäne (The Twelve Swans), a farmer every morning found a circular ring of flattened grain on his field. After several attempts, his son saw twelve princesses disguised as swans, who took off their disguises and danced in the field. Crop rings produced by fungi may have inspired such tales as folklore holds these rings are created by dancing wolves or fairies

[SidDithers]

167. Hard evidence from bltresearch.com...

"Stone" Retrieved from UFO Landing Site in
Golabki, Poland - 1998

http://www.bltresearch.com/eyewitness/polandufo.php

Yes, folks. That's not just some random rock. It's an actual "stone" from an actual "UFO Landing Site".

That's quality research, right there.

Sid

[rhett o rick]

170. Thank you to the hosts that have allowed this thread to stand in spite of the concentrated efforts

of a few here who over and over have tried to "convince" the hosts to lock this thread. Seems there is a group here that thinks they should dictate what the rest of us get to see.

Even after the hosts allowed this thread to stand, the jury allowed this thread to stand and the Admins allowed this thread to stand, some here continued to try to .... "convince" the hosts to lock the thread.

[lovuian]

182. thanks Rhett

and all the hosts for voting to keep it open
many news agencies report on crop circles

this crop circle existed and was made in Tennessee
http://www.wjhl.com/slideshow?widgetid=80987&slideshowimageid=1
aerial view is now obtained

[SidDithers]

173. More from the link in the OP...

August 4, 2009 - Partially materialized (?) "UFO" photographed at Zavenbergen
crop circle field -- first of three sequential shots, using Nancy's camera.
Photo: Robbert v/d Broeke

Sid

[rhett o rick]

177. It's about power isn't it Sid. The power to be able to force a thread to be locked.

You have posted over 20 posts here with the apparent attempt to get this thread locked. And that's in spite of the fact that your peers decided it could stay, the hosts decided it could stay, and even after one of your followers went to ATA, Skinner said it could stay, you still wouldnt give up. I think that's when dedication turns into obsession.

I honestly respect your right to disagree with this thread but am disappointed that you would, instead of ignoring it, try to sabotage it, try to convince the hosts, over and over and over, over 20 times to lock the thread. How can this be that important?

It's about power isn't it Sid?

[SidDithers]

179. It's about GD Hosts ignoring the SOP for this Forum...

They think the sites linked in the OP are legit. I'm simply posting how ridiculous those sources are.

Sid

[lovuian]

180. You don't like the link but it doesn't mean the crop circle

didn't happen


if I waited for the local news to report it...then we would be behind the times
we have an aerial view now

http://www.wjhl.com/slideshow?widgetid=80987&slideshowimageid=1
its quite unique

other news agencies report crop circles ....many people find them interesting
and especially one here in the US most are in Britain

[rhett o rick]

183. It's not about whether crop circles exist or not, it's about whether some here have the power

to censor what the rest of us see. It's about power.

[SidDithers]

190. I've never, not once, said the crop circle didn't happen...

What I've objected to is the use of kooky UFO alien "I'll believe anything" sites as sources in GD.

Sid

[lovuian]

195. it was the only source availible

I needed to quote it
this article was about crop circle made in Tennessee
the local news agencies took their time in reporting it
It did happen

Restricting sources of information has its problems
especially when "Official media " does not report phenomena

I would want to know about a crop circle being made in Tennessee especially a repeated one since last year they had one too
and so would many other people

If you don't like crop circles I understand as well as others
but it is in a General Discussion ....and you could always ignore it

[SidDithers]

199. And now that legit news sources are reporting the man-made crop circle...

So you don't need the links to the UFO / alien abduction / spirit photography / human grasshopper sites anymore, right?

Sid

[lovuian]

203. yes and I edited my first post and put the latest news links

up so you can see more "worthy sources"

but at the time when it was first reported that was my only link

[rhett o rick]

197. The circles exist irregardless of who reports it. You should enjoy or ignore. Posting over 20 posts

trying to get the thread locked is obsessive.

[rhett o rick]

181. No Sid, they just dont agree with you. But you dont seem to be able to handle that.

How can they not agree with Sid? Most of us dont care if this thread exists, including hosts and admin. So why dont you just ignore it? Because it's about power. About your ability to get a thread locked. Over 20 posts in your attempt to "convince" hosts, even just one host to agree that you, you Sid, should be able to decide what the rest of us can see or not see.

I would hope that an "politically liberal" DU poster would have an open mind. Willing to tolerate ideas that may be a little different.

[lovuian]

187. Any other time this thread would have faded back

but some just kept bringing it back

Many people love crop circles and enjoy to see the latest ones every year

some of the designs are truly amazing


I'm a fan and I am not alone in enjoying them

[rhett o rick]

194. I am also a fan. Whatever the explanation they are amazing. nm

[lovuian]

196. We are not alone Many love to walk the fields and see them

this one is in Switzerland
you can see the people walking in the rings

[lovuian]

175. Thank you hosts

Here is a Local News reporting on the crop circle
http://www.local8now.com/home/headlines/18699024.html#.UZ7jO8q9KSo

It seems until a local news agency reports on a crop circle other sources are not suppose to be used
Madisonville (WVLT) - Man-made or alien-aligned? For the second time in two years, a crop circle's appeared in Monroe County.

Volunteer TV's Mike McCarthy's walked the crop circle.

News Channel 11
http://www.wjhl.com/story/22237587/aliens-or-teenage-prank-crop-circle-in-gray-has-residents-wondering

GRAY, TN (WJHL) -

Some folks that live on Old Gray Station Road are asking questions about a strange sight that popped up overnight.

Tim Blumberg was putting a letter in his mailbox this morning, when he turned around and saw what appears to be a crop circle.

The high grass in the hay field has been pushed down, into what appears to be the design of two half moon shapes, facing opposite directions, connected by a bar of some kind, with another circle inside each one.

"I couldn't explain it," said neighbor Tommy Carty, "if it was something out of the ordinary, if the wind had done something out of the ordinary or peculiar, or if it was a sign from Heaven."

Someone got a aerial picture of it


http://www.wjhl.com/slideshow?widgetid=80987&slideshowimageid=2

It is quite unique

[hrmjustin]

218. Not a gd host but from what I see in the host room the issue is over.

[Separation]

211. Pssshhh those are way better than the ones we leave on Mars

[Sheepshank]

212. Very deep meaning for "where is Waldo" glasses

or perhaps a reincarnation for harry Potter?

[lovuian]

221. Google's glasses

[LanternWaste]

214. The benign beliefs humanity often holds certainly does seem to ruffle the feathers

The benign beliefs humanity often holds certainly does seem to ruffle the feathers of those who may not hold those same beliefs.

That's what strikes me most as irrational.

[hrmjustin]

216. Interesting post! I see no issue with posting it.

[SidDithers]

219. Of course you don't...

Sid

[hrmjustin]

220. Sid all it is doing is reporting a crop circle.

And what is your comment supposed to mean?

[hrmjustin]

229. Sid just because I find it interesting does not mean I believe it was done by aliens.

I did not think it should be locked because all the post does is report a crop circle.

[RKP5637]

226. I love these things! Count me as one of the crop! lol n/t

[brewens]

227. We plotted making crop circles wearing bigfoot feet once! Alcohol was involved. n/t

[Octafish]

230. Fascinating subject. One crop circle was a graphic representation of pi...

Doubtful whether a pair of drunken RAF noncoms could figure this one out.



The circle is a coded representation of pi to the 10th significant figure

Most complex crop circle ever discovered in British fields

By Richard Savill
The Telegraph (UK)
Last Updated: 12:40PM BST 17/06/2008

The most complex, "mind-boggling" crop circle ever to be seen in Britain has been discovered in a barley field in Wiltshire.

The circle is a coded representation of pi to the 10th significant figure
The formation, measuring 150ft in diameter, is apparently a coded image representing the first 10 digits, 3.141592654, of pi.

It is has appeared in a field near Barbury Castle, an iron-age hill fort above Wroughton, Wilts, and has been described by astrophysicists as "mind-boggling".

Michael Reed, an astrophysicist, said: "The tenth digit has even been correctly rounded up. The little dot near the centre is the decimal point.

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"The code is based on 10 angular segments with the radial jumps being the indicator of each segment.

"Starting at the centre and counting the number of one-tenth segments in each section contained by the change in radius clearly shows the values of the first 10 digits in the value of pi."

CONTINUED...

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/howaboutthat/2144652/Most-complex-crop-circle-ever-discovered-in-British-fields.html

Outstanding post and thread, lovuian. Did not know about the recent U.S. crop circle.

PS: I like the "scientists" observations, too. Asinine, but interesting.

[zappaman]

231. Bwhahahahahaha! OOOOOOOOOhhhh....PI!

Yes, it's impossible for a group of artists to come up with a design and then make it!
As increible as it may sound, humans really do have the technology to bend crops without breaking them. Heat makes things bendable. Did you know that?

Your belief in every bit of woo that comes down the pike is entertaining.

And here is a link to some websites that might help you find the culprits!
Happy sleuthing!

http://www.circlemakers.org /
http://science.howstuffworks.com/crop-circle5.htm
http://www.amtsgym-sdbg.dk/as/crop/ufofake.HTM
http://thrivedebunked.wordpress.com/2011/11/19/crop-circles-debunked/

[ZX86]

232. From your own link

Joe Nickell, Senior Research Fellow of the Committee for the Scientific Investigation of Claims of the Paranormal (CSICOP) says that crop circles have all the hallmarks of hoaxes: They are concentrated primarily in southern England; they've become more elaborate over the years (indicating that hoaxers are getting better at their craft); and their creators never allow themselves to be seen. But even with crop circlemakers claiming responsibility for hundreds of designs, hoaxes can't account for all of the thousands of crop circles created. Colin Andrews, cereologist and author of the book, Circular Evidence, admits that about 80 percent of crop circles are probably man-made, but says that the other 20 percent are probably the work of some "higher force."

http://science.howstuffworks.com/science-vs-myth/unexplained-phenomena/crop-circle4.htm

[Octafish]

233. Is your world view so small you can't consider anything alien to it?

Crop circles are amazing. Who or what make them, I don't know.



And what's with the labels? Can't find me wrong, why not be quiet about it? There's no bragging in being wrong.

[rhett o rick]

235. Throughout history there have been people that resist new phenomena and ideas.

Often these people base their reality on religion to help them accept the unknown. Others I assume are just afraid to expand their horizons, comfortable with their limited reality. But when their reality is challenged they often lash out. Open minded individuals can discuss a subject like crop circles and agree or disagree. But some, instead of ignoring the discussion, feel it's necessary to force an end to the discussion. As we can see in this thread where it's been made clear that the community has no problem with this discussion, there are those that become obsessed with censoring the discussion.

[Octafish]

236. Exactly. Max Planck said new ideas are too much for set minds to accept...

"A new scientific truth does not triumph by convincing its opponents and making them see the light, but rather its opponents eventually die, and a new generation grows up that is familiar with it." — Max Planck

Quantum mechanics would've been consigned to Creative Speculation where the flock of super skeptics from the Amazing Randi forum would spend all the energy needed to prove to each other and those new to the subject that light cannot possibly be both a wave and a particle because it doesn't make sense.

As to who or what creates crop circles, I don't know. As to what they symbolize, one message is crystal clear to you and me, rhett o rick: Ours is an amazing universe.

[rhett o rick]

237. Yes the universe is amazing. The TV series "Cosmos" is getting a sequel

hosted by Neil deGrasse Tyson, who I think is really God.

http://www.wired.com/geekdad/2011/08/cosmos-to-get-a-sequel-hosted-by-neil-degrasse-tyson/

Maybe at the end of the series he will reveal he is really God.

[Octafish]

238. LOL

He is.



Then, we are all God. Or parts maybe. Or not.

[LarryNM]

239. Please also Consider the Possibility

of Elements of Intelligence and MIC for whatever reasons, and the impact of those reasons, as happened with the UFO events beginning in late 40s. Not ruling out hoaxers, natural occurrences e.g., vortices, or other forces. Obviously, the more complex are intriguing.