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4 Presidents, 4 Umbrellas (Original Post) kskiska May 2013 OP
Obviously I've missed something. Is this a thing? morningfog May 2013 #1
Freepers freaking out cuz a marine helped out the black socialist president. NYC_SKP May 2013 #2
Just the latest OUTRAGE.. that's all! Cha May 2013 #14
Well, the Marines DO guard the White House. MADem May 2013 #16
+1 tofuandbeer May 2013 #19
And the Marine was white. KamaAina May 2013 #37
No accident, that. NYC_SKP May 2013 #40
Yes. kskiska May 2013 #3
Wow, that's just desperate. morningfog May 2013 #4
Desperate times call for desperate actions. Boomerproud May 2013 #6
more proof that some people have wayyyyyyyyy too much time on their hands. niyad May 2013 #11
A link below with links/info... Tx4obama May 2013 #7
Idiots who read "literally" are the problem, here. MADem May 2013 #23
I figured photos like this would turn up wercal May 2013 #5
How dare Obama use a white hat Marine to hold his umbrella! Impeach him! Kablooie May 2013 #8
Well, you know they'll say 'but we're not racist!!!' freshwest May 2013 #9
The GOP are idiots! n-t Logical May 2013 #10
I got another shot of that 4th Prez.. Cha May 2013 #12
There is something about that picture Lordquinton May 2013 #18
love it sad-cafe May 2013 #13
But, but, but those others aren't MARINES! And apparently Marines should NEVER carry umbrellas! Turn CO Blue May 2013 #15
Army could use umbrellas--USN could not, for the longest time, then finally they changed the reg. MADem May 2013 #24
I think it was a racist thing. tofuandbeer May 2013 #17
of course it is, i mean they fucking complained about the kids getting secret service JI7 May 2013 #21
Yup. tofuandbeer May 2013 #22
Well, gee, they're blaaaaaah, blaaaah people....to quote Santorum! MADem May 2013 #25
Hilarious, the desperation....why didn't they use these pictures? MADem May 2013 #20
I love that picture. xxqqqzme May 2013 #26
Mary Poppins for president! napkinz May 2013 #29
Sherry Bobbins takes exception CatWoman May 2013 #33
My Tearanny Party cousin posted this Coyotl May 2013 #27
The sad part is, that white Marine probably doesn't even like Obama Ter May 2013 #28
I'll bet he LOVES Obama. MADem May 2013 #31
I'm sure he's glad he got the promotion Ter May 2013 #34
You haven't served in the military. You were not ever a Marine. MADem May 2013 #35
+1 pinboy3niner May 2013 #38
The only people who vote in those stupid polls are the lucky stay-behinds who don't even MADem May 2013 #42
Why didn't they just go inside? WinkyDink May 2013 #30
It wasn't raining when they started. MADem May 2013 #32
LOL @ the title. 4 Presidents, 4 Umbrellas R B Garr May 2013 #36
Yes it is racism - no doubt about that. But in fairness to Bush Jr. npk May 2013 #39
With W, the Secret Service couldn't afford to take a chance... pinboy3niner May 2013 #41
You'll shoot yer eye out, son!!!! MADem May 2013 #43
LOL! pinboy3niner May 2013 #44
SS ruined new Clue game possibilities: The President in the Rose Garden with the Umbrella pinboy3niner May 2013 #46
Great post malaise May 2013 #45
kick Liberal_in_LA May 2013 #47

Cha

(297,154 posts)
14. Just the latest OUTRAGE.. that's all!
Sat May 18, 2013, 01:54 AM
May 2013

President Obama checks to see if he still needs the umbrella held by a U.S. Marine during a joint news conference with Turkish Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan in the Rose Garden of the White House, May 16

http://theobamadiary.com/2013/05/16/this-and-that-75/

MADem

(135,425 posts)
16. Well, the Marines DO guard the White House.
Sat May 18, 2013, 02:41 AM
May 2013

What's the difference between a Marine doing it or a soldier? Or a Sailor? Or an airman? Or some aide?

Who gives a shit? Why should anyone give a shit?

The 'principal' (in this case the POTUS) needs his paws on his speech, and he needs them free to shake a hand or ten. He also needs dry microphones on the podium.

This is how a thing called "Protocol" works.

But then, the wingnuts have no couth--why would they know about these things that are SOP for civilized people?

 

KamaAina

(78,249 posts)
37. And the Marine was white.
Tue May 21, 2013, 07:05 PM
May 2013

That's what really sticks in their craws, despite the fact* that they're totally not racist.

kskiska

(27,045 posts)
3. Yes.
Sat May 18, 2013, 12:33 AM
May 2013

Repugs have been freaking out over a Marine holding an umbrella for Obama as he appeared with the Turkish president.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
23. Idiots who read "literally" are the problem, here.
Sat May 18, 2013, 03:56 AM
May 2013

An umbrella is not a "uniform item" for the USMC. The whiners are inferring that Obama has caused the Marines to violate their uniform regulations.

However, these Marines are not "wearing" the umbrellas as uniform items--they are using them to cover the heads of the principals for whom they are responsible.

This isn't a new thing--I've seen Marines do this in other settings. It's a protocol courtesy to a DV.

Anyone who wants to see a GOP President's travesty when it comes to White House uniform matters should check out Nixon's personal "Palace Guard" design for his WH uniformed Secret Service. Hideous!!!!



Does this not look like something out of Prussia in Clausewitz's era?


Cha

(297,154 posts)
12. I got another shot of that 4th Prez..
Sat May 18, 2013, 01:43 AM
May 2013

President Obama checks to see if he still needs the umbrella held by a U.S. Marine during a joint news conference with Turkish Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan in the Rose Garden of the White House, May 16

http://theobamadiary.com/2013/05/16/this-and-that-75/

thanks kskiska for putting it all in perspective.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
24. Army could use umbrellas--USN could not, for the longest time, then finally they changed the reg.
Sat May 18, 2013, 03:59 AM
May 2013

However, that Marine is not using the umbrella as a uniform item--he is deploying it as a tool to cover the head of (and podium, and microphone) his Commander in Chief.

There's a difference there, that stupid Republicans (who likely washed out of boot camp, IF they ever got that far) just don't appreciate.

tofuandbeer

(1,314 posts)
17. I think it was a racist thing.
Sat May 18, 2013, 03:03 AM
May 2013

Hating this world more with each passing day.
When can we move to the moon?

JI7

(89,247 posts)
21. of course it is, i mean they fucking complained about the kids getting secret service
Sat May 18, 2013, 03:24 AM
May 2013

protection . every presidential family gets secret service and it's never an issue. but suddenly they complain when this family gets it.

tofuandbeer

(1,314 posts)
22. Yup.
Sat May 18, 2013, 03:27 AM
May 2013

...and a white young serviceman holding an umbrella over a black man's head...I bet that just gets the best of them.
I just can't fathom having that kind of hate for skin color in my heart.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
20. Hilarious, the desperation....why didn't they use these pictures?
Sat May 18, 2013, 03:19 AM
May 2013

Republican presidents love GOLF umbrellas...


This is what happens when you let a GOP president hold his own umbrella....

You'll put your eye out, maybe?



But here's the appropriate response to the GOP Umbrella Poutragers....

xxqqqzme

(14,887 posts)
26. I love that picture.
Sat May 18, 2013, 04:55 AM
May 2013

It says everything about that failure as a human being you can imagine. I mean, come on, the clown can't even get out of the rain.

 

Ter

(4,281 posts)
28. The sad part is, that white Marine probably doesn't even like Obama
Tue May 21, 2013, 12:26 AM
May 2013

He might, but there's like a 70%+ chance he doesn't. The percentage of white male Marine who voted against a President committed to getting them out of harm's way (well, not really, but at least more than Romney) is mind boggling.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
31. I'll bet he LOVES Obama.
Tue May 21, 2013, 02:20 PM
May 2013

You do know his next promotion is guaranteed? And his next assignment will place him optimally to move on up?

Colin Powell was an O-4--a field grade officer--when he went to the White House.

Having the WH on your record, as an enlisted service member or an officer, is a Golden Ticket.

I think your statistics are off, too. I'd like to see a cite for that rather bold and unsourced assertion.

 

Ter

(4,281 posts)
34. I'm sure he's glad he got the promotion
Tue May 21, 2013, 06:46 PM
May 2013

And I bet he's glad he got picked to stand near Obama, it looks great on his resume. But I also bet he doesn't give the credit to Obama, and likely didn't vote for him. I know several white Marines, and not only do they all dislike the President, they flat out hate him. Marines are very Republican, despite Pukes putting them in harms way. I'll find you a link.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
35. You haven't served in the military. You were not ever a Marine.
Tue May 21, 2013, 06:53 PM
May 2013

Those aren't questions.

If you did serve in the military--and the USMC, specifically--you'd understand what the term "unit cohesion" means and you wouldn't be--without even a shred of evidence-- accusing that young Marine of having nefarious thoughts about his Commander in Chief. I daresay you wouldn't be very quick to say that kind of accusatory stuff to his face, either--his reaction just might catch you by an unpleasant surprise.

That's all I'm going to say on this topic.

pinboy3niner

(53,339 posts)
38. +1
Tue May 21, 2013, 07:08 PM
May 2013

And that 70% figure cited above likely comes not from a legitimate poll, but from a Military Times survey of its subscribers--who skew whiter, older, and more senior than the force as a whole.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
42. The only people who vote in those stupid polls are the lucky stay-behinds who don't even
Tue May 21, 2013, 08:00 PM
May 2013

have their own subscription, too! They're accessing the website using their department's dozen or so subscriptions, from their comfy chairs in the Pentagon and other installation and HQ locales! Beats pushing that paper, and believe me, I've been stuck in that environment of much fuss and so-little-real-importance, so I know of what I speak!

I don't even think Military Times skews that far over, either--I think that was "imagination" talking.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
32. It wasn't raining when they started.
Tue May 21, 2013, 02:26 PM
May 2013

The presser was set up, the flags were there, the venue is a photo op for the ages (particularly for foreign dignitaries) and it wasn't raining that bad.

It would have taken a while to redeploy the entire WH press corps and guests to...where? The Brady press room? They'd have to march over there in the rain, they'd be wetter by the time they arrived. None of the formal rooms would have been set up for the event.

The best thing to do was what they did--press on through the drizzle. A little rain and cloud make for better pictures, anyway--no squinting/angry looks.

R B Garr

(16,950 posts)
36. LOL @ the title. 4 Presidents, 4 Umbrellas
Tue May 21, 2013, 07:01 PM
May 2013

Why do they go after such inane things like umbrellas and telepromptors that all Presidents use? Oh, and I don't see a flagpin on Reagan or either of the Bushes!! (*did I pluralize that correctly?). And Reagan and Bush I are wearing khaki! The pettiness is truly stunning.

npk

(3,660 posts)
39. Yes it is racism - no doubt about that. But in fairness to Bush Jr.
Tue May 21, 2013, 07:34 PM
May 2013

He was prevented from holding his own umbrella after his little mishap.

pinboy3niner

(53,339 posts)
41. With W, the Secret Service couldn't afford to take a chance...
Tue May 21, 2013, 07:41 PM
May 2013

...on accidental self-assassination by umbrella.

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